Celtic Banter Archive October 30 2014

 

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30 Oct 2014 21:27:51
Ed I have sent in a couple of posts tonight that haven't shown up. any problem with them?

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{Ed007's Note - We've installed a new bull$hit/stupidity filter, Joe, it could have something to do with that.}

Cheers for that, just as long as I know.

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{Ed007's Note - Serious though, there's nothing not been posted from this end when I look back at your posts. I wish we could invent a filter like that though.}

It seems unless the posts agree with the eds opinions that they don't get put up

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{Ed007's Note - Behave yourself fool, one thing though we won't need to read any of yours posts any more. Read through the site you mug, do you see how every post agrees with me? Your intelligence gene must have been in the bit that ran down your mother's thigh. That's another gilfnard (Google it loser) I don't need to deal with.}

Got to say I've experienced the same problems the past few days. Eds reasons may well be why though!

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{Ed007's Note - Make sure you are still logged in when you send your post, there was a problem a while back and people's connections were timing out and it was logging them out if they were spending a long time typing their post. I usually type long posts out using Word and then just c'n'p them into the form. I've got 3 posts today showing up from you, Jimbo and 3 yesterday (about the SlyTV women).}

Ed, so that's wot happened all my enlightening inspirational quotes/ post's, lol

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{Ed007's Note - It must have been, DBB. Unless they were just so enlightening one of the other Eds thought mankind wasn't ready to hear your 'philosophies'. :=P

DaBhoy your "inspirational posts" would give a paracetamol a sore head lol

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@ Dn30
Another Epic world shattering response
Patter patter
Lol

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Word of the day - Glifnard!

Defo short a couple posts. I'll be double checking that Ed, ta.

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{Ed001's Note - we have had a few server issues in recent days, so it is quite possible posts have gone missing.}

30 Oct 2014 19:42:26
send him home celtic has no place for any racism and for celtic appealing total disgrace

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30 Oct 2014 19:26:05
Celtic have to be seen to be fair tonev has appealed and therefore Celtic should not make a decision on his future until after that hearing.I wouldn't like to think that if there was overwhelming evidence that Celtic would back him .

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30 Oct 2014 16:33:43
Aleksandar Tonev has been found guilty of using abusive language of a racist nature.
If it was up t me his loan would be cancelled and he would be sent back to Aston Villa immediately.

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30 Oct 2014 17:05:09
surely we won't stand for this. Get rid ASAP Celtic!

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{Ed007's Note - It looks like the club are appealing the decision.}

30 Oct 2014 17:11:54
are we actually for appealing this? ed you got any inside info when his flight back down south is or you think the club will stick by him?

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{Ed007's Note - Celtic issued a statement in response to the verdict confirming Tonev will appeal and making it clear they continue to believe he is innocent.

"Racism has no place in football and as a club for all people, Celtic absolutely abhors racism of any kind.

"This was a very unfortunate case, but the club has accepted Aleksandar’s explanation that he did not say the words that were alleged to have been said and that he is not a racist.

"We are, therefore, very disappointed by the outcome today and can confirm that Aleksandar will be appealing this decision."

30 Oct 2014 17:17:54
The club state that this will be appealed so them must believe what he says? I don't think we could ship him back because of it in any case. He was on Celtic duty when he did or did not make the remark. If he did racially offend the player then he should not pull on a Celtic jersey again, however he currently denies the offence and the club are supporting him.

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"We are, therefore, very disappointed by the outcome today and can confirm that Aleksandar will be appealing this decision."

Disgusting to see the state the club are in, fighting tooth and nail for a person like Tonev?!

Racism has no place in society today, let alone at Celtic Park. Get the CNT to FCK!

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To hamilton bhoy i'm wondering how you can say for so sure he's guilty.my understanding of the evidence is that there isn't any? its one players word versus anothers

Im not defending racists but I would be wary if condemning someone on such lack of proof

Is there something which hasn't been released yet that were missing ed?

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{Ed007's Note - How can he be found guilty without evidence and unless you were at the hearing you have no idea what evidence there is so what are you basing your understanding on, twitter?
I remember Celtic fans, and rightly so, getting tore into John Terry & Suarez for racism, both of which was also one mans word against another - now I see some of the same people are trying to defend Tonev.
If the roles were reversed with Tonev and Logan there would be howls of '7 games is that it?' and 'F*ck the SFA' etc etc.}

Worded that Tonev will be appealing not Celtic. Reckon if the appeal fails he will get the boot hasn't impressed anyway. Is there a chance of a longer ban if he fails his appeal?

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Ed a presume Celtic had representation @ today's hearing and upon appealing must be doing so with flimsy/hearsay evidence would you not agree?

If he has done it then yes hunt him but in modern day times / translation issues, A mean if this was a Scots case it would be "not proven " surely? It is at best one mans word against another

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If he did racially abuse any one he deserves every thing he gets how ever if it comes down to one mans word against another without any other evidence how can he be found guilty? far less the punishment he has got

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When it happened, RD came out and gave tonev his full support and said he trusted him, I thought at the time, he 'd have been better saying something like 'no comment'.

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What do you mean a person like Tonev
I have no evidence of him doing anything wrong . I doubt if any Celtic fan would ever have any faith or belief in any findings that the people who are in charge of Scottish Football.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm sure if he was found not guilty you would have said the exact same about the SFA. How did you feel when the SFA fought tooth and nail with FIFA to allow Guidetti's loan to go through?}

Well if the appeal is successful, will this Logan boy then be punished for false accusations?

At the end of the day, if and its a big if, if there is no video evidence and if none of the officials heard any racist comments then how can he be punished for 7 games.

No one on this forum will know the full facts of what happened so no one is in a place to judge.

Innocent until proven guilty or is it because he has not produced the goods some fans think he is guilty until proven innocent.

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To give him a seven game ban would indicate they have some form of evidence that would indicate he is guilty so he has to go - end of!
For Celtic Football Club to appeal this indicates how out of touch the board are with the public support.

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30 Oct 2014 21:58:29
There are two separate issues here, the first is that no matter who the player is if by their actions or deeds they damage the reputation of the club then the go. The second is that the SFA have taken a decision that isn't backed up by any evidence. If no third party was there to hear what Tonev is alleged to have said then how can they hand out a ban. Any player could then claim that another player used language of a racist or bigoted nature. In civil law it would simply come down to the fact that if no witnesses overheard what was said then no case.

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I know we have a persecution complex at the club, but this is a very serious charge and presumably they have some sort of evidence to support this?
If the player was our own I could understand a full blown appeal; but as he is on loan and it would be so easy to just pack him back to Villa - there must be some credence in the appeal?
I would hope that any sectarian abuse or overtone will be handled with the same exuberance as it has never in the past.

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As things stand Tonevs been found guilty and should be treated as such, if he wins an appeal then that's fine we can look at what's happened. Till then there's no point trying to guess what evidence they did or didn't have but common sense tells you ther must have been evidence I can't see us turning up to a hearing there being no evidence and when they guys found guilty all we say is we're disappointed and will appeal, the lawyers letters would have been at Hampden before half 5 tonight. We need to calm down with blaming the SFA for things, the more we throw out crazy accusations of bias and conspirasy over things like this the more people won't take us serious over the bigger stuff like the sevco cheating and their bigger fraud scam. WE NEed to chose our fights carefully. The question is what does the the SFA have to gain by finding Tonev guilty? I can't think of anything or are we classing this like the Jorge Caddette thing. Tonev being banned has hardly damaged the team or our prospects of winning trophies. Sometimes a wee touch of common sense goes a long way. Does anyone have any sensible suggestions why the SFA would find him guilty if there was no evidence ones that don't involve the masons or how the sfa have always got it in for the Hoops?
p.s. Problem solved with the posting problem eddy, I was using my phone to do it and the settings were wrong according to my bhoy.

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I thought I read at the time it was accused that the video evidence was inconclusive so I don't get how he can be charged then as it would purely down to ones word against another

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30 Oct 2014 14:12:29
Ed see you posted few goals there another one worth posting daily rotten are showing it young boy Tierney scoring from his own BOX! against Hearts reserves, worth showing

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30 Oct 2014 10:15:57
Ed, I think a good one for the polls relates to the story of Man City asking £5 million for their man on loan. Will the Celtic Board go for it? The fans love him, the player seems keen to stay and he is doing the business. Will they spend the money and show some ambition?

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{Ed007's Note - They don't need to spend the money though. The papers might as well have said City wanted £100 million for him, it was a stupid non-story with no quotes from anyone. Why would we pay that kind of money for a player we can sign as a Bosman? To me it would be stupidity on our board's part, the sensible thing to do would be to just offer Guidetti the £5 milion as a signing on fee in a pre-contract.
No other club can permanently sign Guidetti in January so if we don't pay any kind of fee Man City will only get training compensation from any club in the summer. We could offer £2 million and it would be more than they would get in the summer through the compensation system.}

In relation to todays poll, I think the only one carrying celtic in recent weeks has been Craig Gordon.

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{Ed007's Note - Yeah his goals have been invaluable.}

I think some of his stops have been though. Credit where it's due, he has done a decent job. In truth, our goalie should be the last person being praised as, to me, it means our defense has had to resort to last ma. Anyway, he has surprised me.

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Tiny tim The goal keeper is an integral part of any team . With Celtic this season Gordan has mostly been given ample opportunities to show his qualities without been over worked . Thankfully he and the defence have mostly stood up to the task.

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30 Oct 2014 16:02:00
i couldn't believe this guidetti story when it came out. what were they thinking even publishing this nonsense

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30 Oct 2014 12:20:30
As most know on here I have not been Deila's biggest fan, I thought he was all talk.
But after watching some of the football played last night by Celtic he may be getting his ideas across on the pitch. Guidetti has certainly made a difference up front and it looks like Scepovic can be an important player also. I also like Wakaso his pace is a big plus on the counter attack. Denayer is young and raw but is also developing nicely, it would be great if we could even extend his loan for another season. Most Celtic fans agree the difference Gordon has made in our team, and getting Lustig and Mathews back has given the defence a more solid look. The only negatives are Berget who has been poor and I hope Deila does not extend his stay beyond January. Also Tonev, I cannot understand why Celtic would sign an injured player on a loan deal, the player is struggling for fitness. Young McGregor after a good start has also dipped in form and needs a break, as does Ambrose, I do not think it is a coincidence that since Ambrose has been out of the team Celtic are playing much better.
We all want Celtic to succeed with Deila as manager but he should now concentrate on improving the squad in January, signing Guidetti would be a massive boost to him and to the team. Myself as a Celtic fan want to believe in Deila but he must do less talking/preaching and more action on the training ground and on the pitch. But up to now I will give him a 7 out of 10 with hopefully more improvement in the team to come.

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No doubt Gordon's done a good job but I wouldn't say he's an improvement on Forster or made a difference to our team, I'd have Forster over Gordon any day. It's only since he joined us any Hoops fans have rated him, if he was pulling off the same performances for Sevco and we had Forster what would be the opinion on here, except you ed, we know how you feel and I don't want the blame for setting you off on a mad ramble. Would people be on here saying we should have sold Forster and signed Gordon if he was playing well for Killie or Motherhell or would we be saying Gordon's a crock and we have a GK from the English national squad? Guidetti has made a difference to our team, so has Denayer and Lutig instead of Ambrose but I wouldn't say Gordon is an improvemnt on Forster or has made any real difference to the team. I'm still a bit wary if Gordon will last the season playing in the league, 2 cups and in Europe, that's a lot of football over a season and is physically and mentally draining. At least it's a bit more like classic Timalloy with a bit of positivity. nice to see the real Timalloy back on here,if anyone else had been posting wat you've been you'd have been at their door looking for a square go :)

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{Ed007's Note - I'm going to start a rumour that RD isn't 100% convinced with Gordon's long-term fitness and is looking at bringing in a new GK in January lol.}

Timalloy good for you

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I would say that gordon is an improvement on foster, but that's just my opinion

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30 Oct 2014 09:16:38
Can any one post a link of the highlights of last nights game please? Thanks in Advance.

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30 Oct 2014 05:29:02
Ed 001, intreststing thread yesterday on the man u banter page on your view of " phiphilosophy", reason iam asking is, all Celtic fans recently were talking about was ronnys New philosophy, New club philosophy etc etc, I basically said it was a smoke screen and Ed007 didn't tak to kind to it. Thought s please.

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{Ed001's Note - I was just explaining the same thing to Ed007 then. This philosophy word is hokum. Philosophy is the study of life, it is not a way of life or a way of training or anything like that, just the study of it. So you can apply lessons learnt from philosophy, but you can not 'have a philosophy' as it keeps being spoken of. It is simply poor English and it sets my teeth on edge that people are using spiel to try and make themselves sound intelligent. People like Brendan Rodgers spouting off about their 'philosophy of playing' etc is just a lack of basic understanding of the English language.
I agree that all clubs should use philosophy, they should all study life and try and learn lessons from it, but that is not what they are talking about when they use the word. I know it is pedantic of me, but it is just that I can't stand this constant misusage of words and phrases to try and sound intelligent. It is no more than a business jargon. A way of sounding like you know what you are talking about by confusing the issue for the listener. If you say enough clever words, the average person will believe you are actually clever because they don't know what it means.
As for training routines, way of life and playing style, there is definitely a need for these to be set according to the way the club intends to play. Though you still need to tailor each to the individual concerned, or you will find some players will pick up silly knocks that could have been avoided. So you can't really have a one size fits all method throughout the club in reality, but you can build the training around the style of play you wish the club to employ.}

30 Oct 2014 06:32:36
Thanks ed, while ronny has freshened up things like fitness/diet/training etc which was probably long over due, I was sick of hearing about philosophy, it was the buzz word for weeks.

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{Ed001's Note - it drives me up the wall mate. I hate that kind of thing.}

I seen the Manchester United page last night to and was pleased I have to say!

Regardless of level of I.Q, football fans understand performances and results. Coming out with big words is no use if its not happening on the pitch.

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Ed, got you down as a bit of a linguist now. Is the word "philosophy", particularly in the field of football, not just experiencing a semantic shift? ;)

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{Ed001's Note - being misused by idiots is the way these things happen I suppose. For me though, it is just like watching Only Fools And Horses and listening to Del Boy's latest mangling of languages. I would rather people learnt to use the language properly than just watch it being corrupted by those pretending to be smart to convince the rest of us they know better.}

Funny, and fair play. Was only fishing mate.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I was half asleep at the time. I should have realised.}

I can't believe I'm reading this rubbish. The term football philosophy is widely used and recognised throughout the game. If people on here don't understand what it means well there's not much to say about that except it doesn't really surprise me.

www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/discover/coaching/the-future-game/coaching-philosophy

www.thefa.com/st-georges-park/discover/coaching/the-future-game/playing-philosophy

www.thecoachingmanual.com/soccer/blog/frank-wormuth-german-football-philosophy-1577

www. coachingdutchsoccer.com/products/dutch-total-football/

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Philosophy:
1:the study of nature and meaning of existence, truth, good, evil, etc
2;the views of a particular philosopher or group of philosophers
3:the attitude or set of ideas that guides the behaviour of a person or organization.
maybe number 3 is applicable to football?

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May I suggest that Irish maybe Rodgers first language and maybe like Deila he finds it difficult to get the correct term in his second language .

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{Ed001's Note - it is not, English is his first language.}

30 Oct 2014 04:33:08
Ed, how viable do you reckon it would be for Celtic to produce their own strips?

The point being if I can remember correctly the Nike deal comes to an end soon, if Celtic were to engage with a local manufacturer employing unemployed locals on the living wage. Say 100 or so employees, then no need for Celtic only to receive a small percentage from strip sales. Nike are also renowned for using cheap labour surely a new approach like this would be a huge boost for the clubs brand.

Or do you reckon the money from kit sponsor would outstrip this idea easily. Thoughts please.

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{Ed001's Note - Southampton are doing exactly that this season, I am quite sure it would be viable for Celtic, just wouldn't pay as much as they get from Nike.}

Think that's a great idea, be interesting to find out how the finances would work out, know nothing at all about the Nike deal, or about the ragtrade, but the benefit of jobs, and a locally produced quality product with the celtic name and some sort of glasgow hook or stitch on the jerseys, could catch on worldwide, with people outwith the celtic family, who are fed up with the addidas, nike, umbro etc and all those other multinational corporations, just need to get the right person, with a vision, in charge.

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