Celtic Banter Archive July 30 2015

30 Jul 2015 20:40:51
Match on next Wednesday on BT Sports 5:15 pm

30 Jul 2015 11:10:14
Hi Ed,

Any word if the second leg will be on TV.

Rumours that there was only 43k at the match last night, def felt a lot more from my seat.

{Ed007's Note - Nothing has been announced yet.}

30 Jul 2015 15:05:41
Think it will be on BT sport again

30 Jul 2015 20:31:39
Announced game on BT sport

{Ed007's Note - (yes)

30 Jul 2015 21:25:36
BT Sport Kick off 5.30

30 Jul 2015 21:30:06
The game is on bt europe which is the one you have to pay extra for.

30 Jul 2015 23:44:08
From where I was sitting there didn't seem to be 17,000 seats empty there was definetly more than 43,000 at last nights match.

30 Jul 2015 11:29:08
I forgot to add earlier some of my ex bear pals had big bets on Qarabagh at 13/2 and bigger (some bookies were as big as 8/1) so I had a wee smile to myself at them and all the other sevconians who bet against a Scottish team.
There are mug gamblers everywhere ( sorry with my tongue so firmly in my cheek it hurts lol)

30 Jul 2015 13:37:26
Gambler should be found under Mug in the dictionary. :)

Haven't met one yet who is ahead. Not by a long shot.

Every now and then they get a win that keeps their wallets open for the bookie to help himself.

Still, people could say the same fir my Alchemy Lab.

Same thing really.

30 Jul 2015 07:14:42
Honestly what is the point of James Forest?

{Ed001's Note - it is to give people something to moan about when you are winning and to give those sat in row z a feeling of involvement in the game when they have to dodge his crosses.}

30 Jul 2015 07:35:57
That's Scott Brown's passing that gives fans in row Z a feeling of involvement

30 Jul 2015 08:10:52
Was that you sitting in front of me last night who actually booed forrest when he came on? He wasn't great last night but who was? We were needing another wide player on the pitch. Give me strength!

30 Jul 2015 08:27:57
For all the drama and arguments that went on last year when LW beat us, and all the promises of great things to come, a year down the line and I am still waiting to see us "dominate in Europe". The squad is slightly better than this time last year. The squad are probably fitter. Irn Bru is off the menu, unfortunately the players required to succeed at CL level are not at Celtic Park. Quarabag are about the same level as Celtic. This is only the 3rd qualifying round. Tougher opponents await. I don't know how RD planned to dominate teams with the players at his disposal? Last night we yet again show nothing in the final third of the pitch. The ball does not come into the box quick enough or often enough. I just don't like how we set the team out. Glad to get the win but overall a disappointing evening.

30 Jul 2015 08:36:22
Johnny if you think it only takes a year to turn a team into s dominating European team you're delusional. This isn't football manager or FIFA. This is real life and it takes time and may even take a few years before we see progress in Europe.

30 Jul 2015 08:47:07
I'm not a fan of Forrest, but last night he came on and was direct and gave us something different from Armstrong who I thought had a poor game. Give him a break, always someone having a go.

I haven't seen a post saying well done to the wee man for 3 important tackles after tracking his man 70 yards and helping out lustig. Does all that not matter though after he had one bad cross (which came after having to control the ball on his head and keep in after a shocking pass!)

30 Jul 2015 10:54:29
@ed001 The actual purpose of playing James Florist is to create a handicap and give opposition a chance lol

{Ed001's Note - sounds fair to me, though maybe a one goal start for the SPFL opposition as well would even it up a bit more?}

30 Jul 2015 11:29:37
Not biggest forrest fan but give him his due he was willing to run at the left back and try and create something where's gms only ran at him when forrest was stripped and standing waiting to come on. Then once seen it was Armstrong that went off and moved over never tried to run at the other full back

30 Jul 2015 13:43:42
Being willing to run is not enough. His final baw, his decision making are utter pish. His shooting us a joke. He will beat the player then put in a pish baw 80% of the time. In fact more than that.

We haven't had one bid for him. Not one. Says it all. Needs hunted.

{Ed007's Note - You're being far too kind, he's not as good as that. I've said it for the past four years that Forrest is one of THE worst players I've ever seen in a CFC top - and that includes trialists, guest players in charity matches and players who've swapped jerseys with our players after matches.}

30 Jul 2015 14:57:14
@henriks tongue . If your referring to me I've never booed aCeltic player in my puff but doesn't stop me having a view on players . The trouble with Forest is that being a first team squad player he actually thinks he's better than he actually is . Maybe Deila sees him as an attacking midfielder but to me he's a winger and always will be albeit not a very good one who has never progressed since he first came into team

30 Jul 2015 15:00:51
Can someone tell me a player whose final ball was good last night? Other than commons corner? Again like I say Forrest is frustrating, but nobody in that team is perfect?

30 Jul 2015 16:07:05
Brian McLaughlin back in early 90s was La Liga class wing wizard compared to James Forrest and that is saying something cause I thought he was one of the $hittest players not only to wear the hoops, but football in general I have ever seen untill up steps Forrest.

Hope to god someone comes in for Forrest and gets him to f*ck out of our lives once and for all. i'm giving Deila the benefit of the doubt and suggesting Forrest is only getting a game to put him in the shop window so to speak

30 Jul 2015 16:10:01
One of the worst players ed? Come on.
I'm not his biggest fan but it seems that the fans need a player to have a go at and now it's forrest. A few guys around me last night could only see the mistakes he was making. Armstrong, brown, johansen all had a bad game. Let's hope he can keep fit and you never know, he might surprise us.

{Ed007's Note - Now it's Forrest? I've been saying it for four years mate. Yeah Brown and Johansen had a bad game but that's uncommon whereas Forrest's poor performance are dire whenever we're unlucky enough that he's fit to play.
Name me one player who's spent so long at CFC and being as useless and pointless as Forrest, remembering this is his seventh season now - the same amount of seasons Larsson played for us - has he progressed any in those 7 seasons or is he still the same injury prone inconsistent player he was 6 years ago? Some of our worst players weren't given 7 seasons to try and turn it round so why should Forrest?
It's like listening to Liverpool supporters about how it's always going to be next season when they win the league.
I wonder if Spurs are still interested in giving us £9 million for him? (rofl)

30 Jul 2015 16:57:36
Yeah now it's forrest. It was Ambrose and Sammy before him. He's been injured a lot, granted. But when fit he is a threat going forward. To say he's one of the worst players we've ever had is a ridiculous statement. Do you remember the 90s?

{Ed007's Note - 4 years of saying something doesn't mean it's a new thing. Who are you comparing him to in the 90's and did any of them get 7 seasons?
To say Forrest is a threat going forward is a ridiculous statement with about 22 assists in 7 seasons the only threat he is is to his health, you might think different but the stats tell a very different story, the stats and anyone that's unlucky enough to have seen him playing.
I have never heard anyone outside the CFC support say that they think Forrest is a good player in recent years but to some it's it's the same old story that you're not allowed to say a CFC player's garbage. I'd also question his bottle and guts as much as his ability, he doesn't have the self confidence to play for a big club, the slightest knock or niggle and he's on the treatment table.
Give me a straight yes or no, would you be disappointed or unhappy if Forrest left?}

30 Jul 2015 17:49:02
I didn't say you specifically, I said the supporters always need a player who can do no right.
Let's not forget he's still only 24. Larsson was 26 when he signed for us so you're comparing apples and oranges.
Here is a list of players who were worse: Biggins, Mo Kamara, Henri Camara, Paul Byrne, Raphael Schiedt, Mark McNally, Regi Blinker, Cilian Sheridan, Chris Killen, David Hannah, Adam Virgo, Du Wei, Dion Dublin, Ian Wright, Barry Smith. to name a few.
No I wouldn't be unhappy OR disappointed if Forrest left but I cannot stand supporters booing any Celtic player.

{Ed007's Note - I'm totally against booing your own players, if they're out on the park they deserve your support but that doesn't stop you thinking they're not good enough. I wouldn't say Forrest is any better or any worse than those you've listed, none of them were given 7 seasons to prove themselves at CFC and most of them had a better career than Forrest has had, I'm sure Ian Wright wishes he could have played like James Forrest.
If you yourself wouldn't miss him then how can you argue that he's a good player, don't you want us to keep our good players? When everyone was on Scott Brown's back and I was fighting his corner on here I'd have been gutted to see him leave whereas other would have happily drove him to any other team.

30 Jul 2015 18:18:41
I'm not saying Ian Wright didn't have a fantastic career. I was stating he was awful for us. Maybe you missed my point, I couldn't care less what kind of careers these guys had pre/post Celtic. You don't think Forrest has been better than David Hannah or Rafael Scheidt?
I already said i'm not his biggest fan, i'm really not. My point was he's still only 24 and when the fans get on his back after one misplaced pass or whatever it really annoys me. He did a good job tracking back last night which was missed by the anti Forrest brigade.
Last night we were needing a winger on and he came on and did ok. But if you didn't see the game and read some of the posts on here you'd think he was the worst player on the park.

{Ed007's Note - Well it depends what you count as a good career. If you think sitting injured and sponging a wage you haven't earned for seven seasons a success that's your prerogative, I've got different ideas. I don't think Forrest is a better calibre of player than David Hannah or big Scheidt, did you back them and want them given more time, why's Forrest any different?
It was great to see him tracking back last night, it only took him 7 seasons to learn that, by the time he's 30 he might have learnt to cross a ball - I can't wait.
The fact that there is even an anti-Forrest brigade speaks for itself, a NATO standard brigade consists of approximately 3,200 to 5,500 soldiers, that's about 10% of our stadium support.
Thankfully I'm in the pro-Celtic movement and want what's best for the club, team and the supporters, because people have an opinion different to yours doesn't mean them anti anything, that's just you using a negative term to try and score a cheap point as though people can't think for themselves
Were you part of all the anti- Biggins, Mo Kamara, Henri Camara, Paul Byrne, Raphael Schiedt, Mark McNally, Regi Blinker, Cilian Sheridan, Chris Killen, David Hannah, Adam Virgo, Du Wei, Dion Dublin, Ian Wright and Barry Smith brigades or was it one big group all lumped in together?
And without being pedantic, some of those players you've listed didn't play for us in the 90s.}

30 Jul 2015 19:51:54
I'm aware of that, but I never said they all played in the 90s. They were just examples of bad players for Celtic. Haha so Forrest does a good thing by tracking back and still gets stick for it. Instead of criticising Forrest for taking a wage for the past 7 years why don't you criticise the people who paid him it. Would you turn it down? But like I said, I'm not his biggest fan. Was just trying to put my point across in a less condescending way than you. Doesn't make either of us right.

{Ed007's Note - You didn't put any point across, all you've that YOU want CFC fans not to say Forrest is horse$hit for the sole reason that it upsets you and he tracked back last night, you even agree that he's not a good player, so what exactly was your point?}

30 Jul 2015 20:58:23
Lol ok mate. My point was James Forrest was far from our worst player last night but you wouldn't think that from reading this thread. Also I heard some fans booing him when he came on last night which annoyed me. That ok?

{Ed007's Note - Booing player's is out of order in my opinion and I hate seeing that myself but just because the team as a whole had an off night doesn't change the fact that Forrest is a player who has been consistently diabolical over a number of seasons.}

30 Jul 2015 23:00:35
forrest hasn't improved at all since his first year. that may be down to our coaching as much as his ability but I think he would benefit by going elsewhere

{Ed007's Note - Of course our coaching has to take some of the responsibility, just as it is responsible for not producing enough players at a level to make our first team squad. The frightening thing is that we don't have a player at 18/19 who could be a more productive addition - and cost less in wages - than James Forrest.}

30 Jul 2015 23:53:11
Lots of heartfelt comments ,but where is the critiscim of RD

{Ed007's Note - Some of RD's decisions are a bit strange but I don't think you can blame him for James Forrest being an awful footballer. Picking Forrest is by far one of his most questionable decisions but as the old saying goes, sometimes you can only pi$$ with the c*ck you've got.}

31 Jul 2015 00:21:39
You can't blame RD for any footballers ability ,but you can blame him for playing players out of position,for leaving players out who have been playing well,for including players who haven't been playig well,for ignoring younger players even though he's meant to be good at introducing younger players,for sticking to a system that's not working,where is his critisicsm,all the flak is aimed at Lawwell and Park,I think it is misplaced.

{Ed007's Note - But the thread was about James Forrest.}

31 Jul 2015 00:33:39
But RD picks James Forrest

{Ed007's Note - So is he playing Forrest out of position, leaving out a RW that's been playing better than him or ignoring a young player for him? What young player would you play on the RW instead of Forrest, who's he keeping out the team? Nothing you've said has any relevance to James Forrest..}

31 Jul 2015 00:54:19
RD picks James Forrest,thats the relevance,sorry can't remember if you are pro Forrest or anti .,do you agree Forrest should be in the team or not?I was out of the country yesterday and didn't see the game,but why is everyone slagging Forrest,he is not the best ,he is not the worst,we know what he is capable of,but RD picks the teamm,sets the system,where are his critics?

{Ed007's Note - We seen the game, that's why everyone's having a pop at Forrest, you're having a pop at the manager for a 1-0 win in a CL qualifier you didn't even see - thank God we didn't get beat!}

31 Jul 2015 08:19:40
We put in a poor 'team' performance and there's a meltdown about a player who was on the park for half an hour lolz

31 Jul 2015 13:47:39
Living in england the only people I know who think forrest has any talent are people who refuse to watch the spfl and only play fifa

30 Jul 2015 00:13:15
LM67 -I agree 100%with you when you play 1 up front it's not all about that striker getting the goals it's about holding the ball and bringing other players into the game and attacking as a unit!