Celtic Banter Archive December 30 2014

30 Dec 2014 21:10:20
Just watching sly sports big Daryll Murphy top GS in the championship with 17 already! & yet he never got a real chance when we signed him not to mention we gave him away for nothing(devil)(devil)

The guy is useless, no more than a one season wonder. Normally scores about 7 per season

Jamiebhoy, it seems Murphy is having a bit of an Indian summer as he approaches the end of his career .
It wasn't only the management at Celtic who didn't recognise his talent but our supporters were not too quiet in telling Murphy how little they thought of him .

It's probably a lot easier to score in the English Championship because now that he has a bit of confidence, he won't lose it coming up against packed 8/9 men defences on a regular basis .

Fair enough folks but last season one's season wonder Ross McCormack Fulham paid 14mill for!

It would have nice to get our money back!

Bhoys, Ah the Murphy fella, Great Penalty in the last 5 mins when the score was 1-1 at Fir Park. Hail Hail

30 Dec 2014 18:47:41
Best POTD a have seen in a wee while (yes)(yes)

30 Dec 2014 15:40:23
There has been a lot of arguments about who is the better manager out of Ronny Deila and Neil Lennon.
I don't think you can really judge any manager when they are having their best players sold from under them.
Two years ago we reached the last sixteen of the çhampions league, and won the double. The end of that season saw us lose our best players, is it any wonder we didn't perform as well the following season?, and is it fair to blame Neil Lennon for that? I am sure he didn't want to lose the players.
As for Ronny Deila, if he manages to build a successful team, hòw long would it be before it is ripped apart?, we would be lucky if it lasted a season.
We have to find a way of keeping our best players, it is the only way we can consolidate and establish ourselves in Europe.
If managers are forever having their best players sold from under them, it makes it an almost impossible job, whoever it is.

Gerryc. You make the good point in that if Deila builds a good team, how long till it is ripped apart . There are three parts for that answer, 1) how well the Scottish media and the Scottish Football Authorities keep ridiculing the game here and Praising the Epl etc.
2) The Celtic fans moaning and groaning about Scottish Football and speculating on a number of Celtic players leaving . 3) this is the main reason, the players themselves purely using Celtic as a stepping stone and demanding a move.
The club cannot hold on to the players who decide they want to move . Sometimes I think for the long term good of the club, that it's better if we don't develop new players too well too quickly as if they think they are, they will be demanding a move in the next window. The sad thing is our fans blame the club for selling the players instead of blaming the players .

30 Dec 2014 07:07:33
Without being cheeky, what game were some folk watching on Saturday - me personally I was freezing my ass off at what looked like a Sunday league game at Celtic Park. Celtic are top of a league of teams that are incapable of qualifying for the Europa League such is the standard, are they miles ahead?

This is progress, how? Are these the same fans who thought last seasons Champions League was embarrassing but this is not, explain?

Fans have the facts of figures of past Managers, some Managers they were happy with and some not so much. With Ronny, we don't have that yet and most are willing to give him a chance due to winning the Norwegian League for the first time since the 70's (which is an achievement), some like his ideas etc. However based on what we actually see on the park and results, many not so convinced.

Its getting to the point, we're reading opinions based more on what's going on in some posters heads and wishful thinking rather than any consideration or full grasp of what's actually happening. I'll ask again, how is being on par with teams unable to qualify for the EL progress or worse, some actually think there's a real possibility we could lose the League?

Best Wishes to you all for 2015!

Agreed 100% Mrs E
Yes it's good to give someone a chance but the football we are playing is the most boring and disjointed I've seen since the days of Mowbray and Barnes.
Yet Deila says he's happy with our progress! What progress is he referring to? Where has there been an improvement in our team or our performances?
I think his expectations are different to the majority of fans, and I'm not talking about the fans who think we are a top European team. I'm talking about the realists.
Some will come out and blame the board and everyone under the sun when the truth is clear to see. Deila has taken a ''not bad'' team and made us very average and I think that's a reflection on his own perception of what achievement is.

30 Dec 2014 09:38:08
The reality is Celtic is based in Glasgow , Scotland. Unless the unthinkable (to us anyway) happens and the club relocates we are very limited in the calibre of player and therefore manager that wants to live and work in Glasgow. Bearing that in mind , and that's the reality as we all know it , I think our board and even PL are second to none, and taking a chance on an unknown is shrewd business.
Dissent is healthy and to be encouraged , we don't have to look to far to see what happens with blind faith, maybe the managers is out his depth and learning on the job , but I'm glad we have him. A straight talking breath of fresh air
HH joe

30 Dec 2014 09:57:55
also have to agree 100% with Mrs E. we have made no progress whatsoever this season, product on the pitch is poor and attendances well down. I don't like Delia as manager, he has managed to totally destroy confidence of some of our players(Commons) for example, he was player of the year last year and scored 32 goals yet was dropped almost immediately by Delia and looks a shadow of the player he is. we may well win trophies this year but that is the least we should expect, what has happened to playing football the Celtic way. seen very little evidence of that this season despite promises of great attacking football. not one for sacking managers and he may come good but think someone has to have a word in his ear to let him know that we are not making progress and he may have to rethink his plan.Eddie

Totally agree Mrs E, the football at times has been woefull to watch but if this was Lennon's Team and he had "achieved" RDs stats he would be getting pelters for eveyone. I do want to give RD time, I know he has not been there a long time and I do want him to have the opportunity to sign a couple of "his" players but the football has to improve soon or we will be a laughing stock if we don't win this league. Hail Hail

Christ did you watch any football in the Neil Lennon era chrisbhoy? Now that was dire but each to there own

Got to agree with HH we are where we are in a league that we have outgrown and are finding it hard to compete at a higher level when stepping up.we may as Mrs E suggests have gone backwards a bit this season as far as entertaining the fans though we're still in all competitions.the managers only in the job around half a season and needed that time to assess the squad let's see who comes and goes in a few days time.I don't remember many games we haven't dominated play this season though havnt always got the rewards for it and it can be frustrating when that occurs.you've heard the old saying that sometimes you need to take a step back to go forward and I have faith that Ronny can and will take us forward.

TamTimTic the thing that gets me is when Lennon took over from Mowbray there was cries of "give him time" and "he has got a mess to deal with". Just think its unfair not to give Deila the same chance with these supporters.

January I am confident there will be signings and to be honest I think we will all agree, there are players in other SPL teams that would be a vast improvement. Deila deserves season to get his team together, to play in his tactics and win at least double.

Regardless who was in charge previously team has slipped in standard, but credit where credit is due. Dundee United are the best they have been in a long time. there's no one who can argue that cause regularly we have heard suggestions in past of gaulding, robertson, cifti and armstrong

I don’t necessarily blame the Manager and the only kinda positive from Saturday was Ronny was unhappy with the performance – not like his comments after the Hamilton defeat where he said we had improved.

Thought the Hamilton comments were naive and did suggest he was out his depth with no knowledge of Scottish football or our rivals.

I think 1 playing up front is an affront particularly at home.

Agree with all the comments regarding Scottish football and we’ve seen that recently where Clubs have had to get rid of their debt and reduce wage bills – this is necessary for their survival.

With the attendance I watched the Liverpool game last night, sitting mid table, some unhappy with the Manager, a working class City like Glasgow so why is the place packed? Same with Dortmund only they are not mid table?

I can’t speak for thousands of fans but something is off.

Kev T
I did. I watched a lot. Under Lenny we always had a fighting spirit even if we lacked ability and that was sometimes the difference between us and other teams.
Deila appears to have neutralised our spirit as a team and tried to replace it with goodness knows what. With the lack of ability up and down the pitch it definitely sets us back.
I think we were much easier to watch under Lennon.
And that's my point.

Nice to hear from you Mrs E been a wee while by your normal standards of input just presumed you were busy over the festive period, I hope you had a nice time!

Yes I agree with you and most posters on this thread Frank McAvennie a know a butt of a lot of jokes him, hartson & Sutton were getting a hard time of it of late due to criticising surely it is only fair? but interestingly he said that RD was devoid of ideas against Ross County which took me back to the start of the season where he looked "like a rabbit caught in the headlights" sadly, he looks out his depth he looks like he does not have the answers to any not seeing this please surely you can see he is not animated enough on the touchline? HE HAS NO! REACTION

ATVB JB7

I have expressed my concerns (as you know) a good few times about the direction we have been moving in - and this goes way before RD took over - for those ready to 'pounce'.
The cream of all the talent we had has been syphoned off to such an extent that the only 'assets' we are reported to have are VVD (who is over hyped and still learning) and Guidetti - who we don't even 'own'?
True the current squad has a fair amount of Internationals - but none of them are from a nation of note.

We are all aware of the limitations of playing in Scotland and how hard it is to attract top players, but this is nothing new! We have been up against the top leagues and rich clubs for aeons and have always managed to produce a few gems of our own and attract others.
Either the 'academy' is failing, or our scouting system is atrocious if this current squad is the best we can do?

Although RD has only had six months to assess, review and restructure, I am worried about how much time he needs to actually achieve what we all want and expect at Celtic FC.
The January transfer window is not usually very productive for us and I am more concerned about who - and how many - have eyes elsewhere?
The month ahead will tell us a lot about what direction we are really going.

Chrisbhoy can I remind you that under lenny there was a lot of scrappy wins and correct me if i'm wrong, did lennon not play one up front for long enough?

People should lay off Deila and give him time to rebuild a poor quality squad. He has done well so far with squad, a squad not as good as last season yet we are still in all competitions domestically and we will see some form of europe next season. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out we are in a better position than last season.

Only reason we never qualified for CL was fact we had several crucial injuries to squad yet people are happy to overlook this key point just to put knife into Deila.

Regards attendances, they were slipping last season as there was nothing to play for except league which we knew we would win anyway.

As much as I agree with some NLs team had "more fight":

Can being in 3 cup competitions at this stage not be deemed progress?

30 Dec 2014 14:10:55
I think getting rid of Deila would be very short sighted.

What Deila is trying to do at Celtic takes time. If he is given time, I have no doubt all our players will benefit, as will the team itself.

I feel many people are over reacting to the Ross County result as we totally dominated the game. Yes we lacked a touch of class in the last third but we were missing 3 of our wide men (Lustig, Stokes & Forrest) who have all been on good form when they have been in the team.

As I said earlier I don't want to get rid of the manager but no matter how you look at it we have slipped badly compared to a couple of years ago for varying reasons. I think we have a reasonable squad of players and should not be sitting only 2 points clear in the league. somehow Delia needs to get more from his players and start boosting their confidence and producing performances that are better than they are now. here's hoping anyway. maybe by may we will have a treble and be playing fast attacking football and I can stop moaning.

Jamiebhoy for the life of me I fail to see that being animated on the touchline at 0-0 would help any team and his reaction was positive in bringing on sub's to try and change it though it didn't work.as for mcavennie he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I don't even remember seeing him at the game.it always seems that ex Celtic players are much much more critical of Celtic in the press than ex sevco players . maybe dobbing the hat to their paymasters?.

Saturday game was a disgrace I grant you against Dundee United we were by far the better team just look at the possession we had however that dose not win games and I am willing to say those 2 games were hiccups more so the latter its RDs time to bring in HIS players let's see what happens then but I agree with Mrs E Saturday was a nightmare of a game to watch and if teams like that want to play with 10 men behind a ball they should not be in the league that is not football . but still we should have got the ball in the net

Gerrym8 I was talking about the 3 of them mate a know fine well McAvennie is not the sharpest but he is being pass remarkable on a subject matter he does know about!

A don't think his subs were that great to be honest in countless games earlier in the season he had to switch from his system to a 4-4-2 to GET a result ffs!

He has no problem being animated enough after a result does he? how can we not see a bit of verve, a bit of something trying to ignite them into a bit of life?

It is his team after all!

ATVB JB7

The thing I have noticed about managers they can become very involved in the game when their team is playing well but on occasions like last Saturday they often can appear forlorn.
Mrs E nice to see you back, normally your posts can be quite accurate and give some encouragement, did you know that Celtic had 8 wins in domestic football on the trot . The ref and his assistant played their part in ending that at Dundee United and we had a bad day last Saturday . When you were away Mrs E there were hardly any posts after our domestic games . Since Saturday some of our "fans" seem to be in competition with the Scottish media to tear the confidence and team spirit out of the team . Maybe the board should appoint failed Epl managers on a six months rolling contract, and then our fans will get rid of the manager at the first drop in standards .

DN30, myself and all other like minded Celtic supporters do not want RD to fail and we will give him time. The performance on Sat was awfull and the Ross County Keeper had probably the easiest 95 mins of the season at Celtic Park. The fans demand more it does not matter who is in the chair, we demand more. As I said if we loose this League, I don't think we will for a moment, we will be a laughing stock. In RD I trust. Hail Hail

Chris, the performances have been hit & miss and to be honest I'm feeling more and more out of it on here with some of the posts (didums I know)

Abrerdeen, Dundee Utd et all have not got better, we have got worse.

Fans, all fans, are entitled to their opinion and shouldn't have to apologise for it.

If the players and Manager want praise, they need to earn it. Scott Brown is on more wages a week than most earn in a year and I don't know what Ronny's on. We all get criticism in our work for poor performance -they know the score.