02 Oct 2015 21:07:46
This is not about the game last night it's about players when coming out to the media tent I watched every player from fenerbahce come out and spend time signing and photos with ther fans even ther manger was only too pleased to take time out for them then we had commons bitton Johansen and young Tierney with commons making sure everyone that wanted a autograph and a picture got one he was ther all of 20 mins Griffith's walked by kids on the way in saying he needed to do an interview and would be back to see them 15 mins later ran by them out the tent as if he was some sort of superstar and purley ignored the shouts from kids for an autograph with deila donig the same with no other players coming out can someone tell me what the hell their idea of public relations is ,fenerbahce put celtic players to shame ther passion for ther club fans is
I hit the send button ther Ed just to Finnish my rant off ,apart from the players I mentioned some one in public relations needs to have a word with these pre Madonnas Griffith's for one was dead and buried in England before Celtic took him it put me clean off the guy deila obviously had other matters to deal with and ambrose had a good reason not to come out but the rest of the players need to take a good look at them self's we were told Gordon had a drug test so he can be excused allso but for the rest hang your heads in shame.
Celtic Banter Archive October 02 2015
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02 Oct 2015 20:01:59
Not a rumour, just saying. See Ambrose's meltdown header. Almost worth a check at the betting g patterns for half time scores. It was that bad, it honestly looms like a set up. Really hope big Jozo is on the mend and that we have some targets for January. We've played really well in the Europa and our downfall in both games has been down to people who should have been replaced or at least given competition/another option.
02 Oct 2015 17:23:13
Ronnie deila latest statement! Efe ambrose has improved a lot over this year apart from his mistakes and 98% of the time he plays ok! I'll put this comment along with last weeks one about winning the rest of our games this season just before drawing at home to hearts! Or we're a better team than last year even though we're trailing in the SPL and are out of the CL at the qualifying rounds once again! Or the one last year when we got knocked out of the CL not once but twice in the qualifying rounds and he asked him to judge him in a year!! This man for me talks utter garbage! Anybody who can come out and defend ambrose after countless mistakes and countless chances to me isn't up to the job! I don't think I've ever heard a Celtic manager come out with so much pish in my time supporting the team! Yes we've had a few who havnt been up to scratch but the stuff that comes out this guys mouth is incredible! I can honestly see worrying times ahead with this guy in charge! Legia Maribor Malmo fenerbache all games we've been leading and somehow manage to completely fall apart at the back! Think that's 22 games in Europe and 30 odd goals conceded! Progression!! I don't think so!
02 Oct 2015 18:00:12
DH first things a manager has to try to give a player or a team a lift after a disappointment . Efe knows more than anyone he made a blunder , Deila has to outwardly show compassion .
Having said that , I have supported Efe in the past , but last night's mistake has to be his last for Celtic . He had played well in 3.5matches and to make a mistake like that is unforgivable .
Of course football is a team game and I thought for the last half hour of the first half and last 15/20 mins of second we were magnificent . We really played very well and I mean the whole team . Our second goal was real class .
In our last two games we have played super football and in neither games got the results . Brown who some were getting annoyed about and Forrest who many were getting totally fed up were superb last night . I think we have the makings of a very good season , if we continue to try to play football.
02 Oct 2015 18:23:23
That's the thing old bhoy ambrose doesn't realise more than anyone! Because if he did then he would have cut out these mistakes long ago! This isn't the 1st 2nd or even 3rd time this guys done this! And as for deila giving him a lift! There's giving him a lift and talking utter garbage! He's improved over the past year! I'm sorry but it's utter nonsense! Ambrose cannot be allowed near our team again! And I mean never! And if he does then the manager should carry the can for the mistakes he will definetly make!! Enoughs enough with this guy!
02 Oct 2015 20:06:13
Dermot Desmond's opinion is were a better team this year also! Must be something in the air(Hot Air Fae the Both of them). Got a feeling though that somehow were going to win the Treble & be in European Football after Xmas!( not to bad considering the trials & tribulations of late& more to come)Johansen's been rotten from day 1 this year. Biton had his worst game in a while.An Electric Atmosphere to a Damp Squib all in the space of a " Heider"
02 Oct 2015 20:41:43
I think that after making his blunder Ambrose knows he has made it . That doesn't mean he can stop himself making the blunder again .
He doesn't set out to make a mistake , but he does .
I have backed Ambrose for long enough but last night was the last straw , he was in the middle of good form , but he couldn't defend a simple long ball.
02 Oct 2015 21:16:04
Well at least we agree that last night was the last chance for this guy! And do u think the manager should carry the can if he continues to play this liability? And let's get this right to! At no point has ambrose been in any kind of form! Mistake against Malmo leads to there 2nd goal at parkhead mistake against Aberdeen leads to there 2nd goal mistake against fenerbache allows them into a game they were no where near in that 1st half! Would u like me to continue?? Let's stop this yeh when he does the simple things then he's ok or he's played out of position let's put him at RB! This guy should be nowhere near the team under any circumstance! It's that's simple! As soon as January comes get him out our club! It's been far to long in coming!
03 Oct 2015 17:44:34
Yet he was alert enough and quick enough to save us from defeat in our last league game. You will never accept that Efe was in a run of form , because according to you if he is playing and Celtic concede it is his fault .
All that I know is that he played in the previous three matches and we had clean sheets .
We haven't had three clean sheets in a row too often .
I agree that we shouldn't play Ambrose again as he is accident prone , but that doesn't mean we should ridicule him non stop.
Ambrose isn't our only problem , if he was , we would be flying play another centre half and we would go the rest of the season without losing .
02 Oct 2015 16:44:52
Meant to post this yesterday but forgot, Mr Desmond, PLEASE STOP giving the biased Scottish media and Sevco any encouragement by linking them to us. Sevco are desperate to hang on to our coat tails and be pulled into the EPL. Their club is a nonenity stop talking about them.
If, and it is a mighty big IF, Celtic get invited to England, our club should go on our own and NOT as a package with cheaters fc.
02 Oct 2015 18:03:04
Through Timalloy , we should fight our own battle , what is good for us . I don't think too many Scottish. clubs would try to pull us up to a place we didn't deserve
02 Oct 2015 16:39:24
The obvious scapegoat is Ambrose for yet another howler, he just does not seem capable of learning from his mistakes which in my eyes is the worst thing, you can forgive any player the odd mistake but EFE just makes far too many.
But talking of learning from mistakes, this stupid zonal marking has let us down in so many matches, yet Delia, Collins and Kennedy seem incapable of seeing what we the fans see, and that is this system does not work for Celtic.
Delia tried to pin all the blame on Ambrose, but who picked him? The team are still losing leads in the second half, is it tiredness, poor concentration? Delia has no clues, I have tried to back Delia but it is getting difficult when he continues with a system which patently does not work and always points the blame elsewhere.
{Ed007's Note - So who should have been picked instead of Ambrose, Tim?}
02 Oct 2015 17:14:21
Zonal marking has been costing us since the Strachen era. How anyone can blame Effe for second goal is beyond me, the guy ran among seven defenders and had the momentum to win the ball. Zonal marking always gives the advantage to the attacking team because they can react and adapt accordingly while we stand there like tailors dummies. We are not leaning, which is pretty obvious by the fact that we keep losing the same type of goals from set pieces.
02 Oct 2015 17:14:31
ED007 I realise injuries limited the choice, but even yourself has championed Lustig as a CB or I believe Blacket can play there so there is two alternatives, also if Celtic went with the young boy Tierney who had a solid game by the way, why not even go with a CB from the Under 21's, big risk I hear you say, but playing Ambrose almost guarantees opposition a goal. My problem with Ambrose, as I said in my post, is he is too conceited or stupid to learn from his mistakes, and Delia seems incapable of learning from all his many mistakes also. Can Delia explain also why we seem to fade in second half of games which negates all our good play.
{Ed007's Note - And if RD had played Lustig at CB and Ambrose at RB and it didn't work out people would be on here complaining that he's messing about with the team, why wait until such an important game to try it etc etc Even if he had dropped Ambrose and it didn't work out the complaints would be why drop Ambrose when he's played well recently.
It's got to the stage that people will use anything to have a pop at the manager, Ambrose mistake is RD's fault because he picks him, really? Are we going to blame the manager for every singe individual mistake a player makes now, I don't hear RD getting the blame for the mistakes Craig Gordon has made.
I'm not sticking up for Ambrose here, all I'm saying is that in my opinion that as the best defence we had available last night, even RD's choice of young Tierney over Blackett was justified, I thought he had a fantastic game and it's nice to see us giving our own players the experience rather than another clubs.}
02 Oct 2015 18:55:50
ED007 let's put Ambrose to one side as he is too easy a scapegoat. But surely fans like myself have a right to question Delia's tactics, especially his zonal marking. Also his rigid 4231, last night at half time, admittedely boosted by Ambrose's blunder, but the Turkish coach changed his system and put two up front, he smelt blood and was brave enough to go for it in an away tie, would Delia ever be this brave, even in a domestic game, I doubt it. That is why fans like myself criticise Delia, he promised a fitter, more attacking Celtic able to compete in the CL.
Yes to be fair at times in europe under Delia like the home Inter Milan game, Malmo at CP and last night we more than matched these teams, and at times were better than them but then old frailties crept in, even putting aside the zonal marking chestnut, why does Delia seldom place players on the goal line at corners, why does Delia not drill the defence in CONCENTRATING at set pieces and corners and demand accountabilty from all the players, with zonal marking it is too easy to say "not my responsibilty" and lazy players take this option, a good coach should be working every day trying to improve all the mistakes, sadly fans like myself see little evidence of good coaching at Celtic Park and I include Collins and Kennedy.
{Ed007's Note - I'm not a fan of zonal marking either but I wouldn't sack the manager because he uses it. And what would you be saying if RD had changed tactics to two up front and we lost because we were getting over ran in midfield?}
02 Oct 2015 15:58:01
Not a knee jerk reaction but we have too many players with severe limitations, can't think back to when we were so fragile. Ambrose looks nervous as soon as he reaches the half way line LG is to easily neutralised and our full backs lack any imagination or desire to be a threat at set pieces. We must be one of the easiest teams for coaches to read and neutralise. The big no.9 came on last night and bullied his way into the cane and scored two goals. RD has had his chance hopefully the backing of the Chairman will mean he's on his way out.
02 Oct 2015 16:13:42
He hasn't been backed by the chairman though. It's the team that is weak if anybody, not RD. We're not far off being a right good side in my opinion. It's just the basics like a strong CF, like you highlight theirs, simple passing and defending set pieces. In a nut shell individual quality and a bit experience. The already young squad we have has shown improvement, hopefully every window feom now we juat bring in one or two who will walk in the side and a couple of pedigree youngster providing we don't bring our own through.
02 Oct 2015 18:09:59
Jim Tim what are you talking about? We are miles from being a good side. It's not RD that's weak? Explain that one. He has achieved nothing and I don't think we will qualify out of this group. If that is the case the man needs to go.
02 Oct 2015 18:13:26
Everyone makes mistakes . They signed Van Persie and gave him a king's ransom in wages . Yet it was the big Brazilian that bullied us and took two points of us .
I wasn't surprised that a big Brazilian scored against us twice but I thought it would be by silky skills rather than bully and dominating . I have never seen us out passed and out played for part of the match and us turning it round and actually out playing and out passing them .
02 Oct 2015 20:42:22
What is it you'd like me to explain johnny? You say we've achieved nothing. That's not true though is it? Fair enough you've came out with your opinion that we won't get out the group. That's just a guess though isn't it really. As things stand we're en route to qualify. We picked up a point away to Ajax (imo unlucky not to win), and we got a point against a side with RVP, Diego, Nani, Meireles and Markovic ( again unlucky not to win). Yet to play Molde twice. We're in a healthy position considering. You say i'm wrong saying we're not being far off a good side. What would make us a good side? Qualifying for CL? Because as heartbreaking as it was. We weren't far off that in truth.
You just strike me as one of the bhoys who doesn't see the wood foe the trees.
03 Oct 2015 17:49:23
Jim Jim your post makes a lot of sense . I think we are improving and that pleases me , I think some folk thinks we are getting worse and in some sort of perverted way that seems to please them too.
02 Oct 2015 10:46:20
So don't post a huge amount on here but a few things struck me from the game last night.
Well know Efes weakness, but actually he had a pretty solid game last night- but why not play him at RB and play Lustig in the middle. If Ambrose has to play, then at least keep him out of harms way.
We all know why we conceded the first goal, but the second one was worse imo- if we persist with the zonal rubbish, why are we not putting men on the posts? Never understood that, perhaps someone could enlighten me.
Aside from not putting sub's on, RD didn't even send them out to warm up until about the 70th minute- surely we should be warming sub's up to try and galvanise the players on the pitch??
Griffith's ran his heart out, but not big enough to play up top on his own- needs to feed off second balls which he can't do if he is trying to win headers.
My last point. After getting to 2-2, it genuinely felt like (attack or defend) we were playing 10 against 11. It appeared as though they always had more options than us regardless of where we were on the pitch. Interested in others views on this, as there definitely was very little difference in the sides, with us really being on top for the first 35 minutes.
At least the Group is still tight, so plenty opportunity's ahead!
02 Oct 2015 12:48:52
Great point about the men on the posts. I'm torn between man and zonal marking. For me it depends on the players at our disposal and also our opposition. I wouldn't trust Ambrose to mark a man or a zone though. Wouldn't trust him to mark a post either mind. After the Malmo tie JK came out and said that they have looked and worked at both and zonal is our best. But conceding from corners and set plays has become a bit of an issue so needs addressing somehow.
02 Oct 2015 10:42:29
was great display from Celtic in fist half.would have like to see Lustig in the middle, and av iffy out right Lustig would not av made those mistakes if we tighten up at the back we are a great from mid to front HH
02 Oct 2015 12:37:23
Don't talk pish lustig is a full back he's not center half material TBH shouid had played o Connell at center half gms instead of johannsen or rogic instead of johannsen
02 Oct 2015 15:20:46
I also think Lustig is a right back, - he can play at centre half, don't think he is powerful/aggressive enough though. I actually think he might be the type that would pick up injuring regardless of what position he plays, he has the build of a marathon runner. Boyata is another who is very slight, I like centre halfs with the build of a Paul Elliot/Bobo Balde. By the way O'Connell was at Oldham on loan, but was sent back injured last week.
02 Oct 2015 20:45:16
Looking on the bright side , if we don't pick Efe again , we will be more than a match for any team . I cannot see Deila picking Ambrose again .
We should take a big step foreward
02 Oct 2015 08:27:20
I am starting to get fed up with big Efe. We were playing great football and looking comfortable. Then big Efe strikes. Enough said.
02 Oct 2015 01:48:27
The Player is not at fault here but the management or the person who is responsible time after time for insisting on playing him.
Not only did he play him tonight but he blamed him for his own pompous short sightless and tunnel vision approach to management.
I've been to away games mid week to places like Kilmarnock on cold winter nights when celtic were under the stewardship of such wonders as John Barnes and what was on offer then could never have prepared me for what we have in charge now.
02 Oct 2015 06:00:52
You're just playing blind ignorant now with your stabs. But top marks for persistence.
We were doing absolutely fine and the better side the first half until Ambrose struck. Then they get a goal from a set piece which gave them a huge lift. For the final third though I thought we were on top again.
Being the oracle you are though which defence would you have played? Baring in mind you can't pick Simunovic, Mulgrew, O'Connell or Izzy.
02 Oct 2015 08:30:40
Being the Oracle I am, O Connell would never have been farmed out.
And Kayal would still be about
Gordon only just
Janko Lustig Boyata/OConnell Tierney
Biton
Brown Rogic
Commons
Griffiths Stokes
Effe would be an able replacement for an Injured Biton
02 Oct 2015 08:54:03
TTTS what are u on pal! Yeh I'll give u Ronnie has to take the blame for constantly picking this half wit! But the it's not the players fault! Utter garbage! We were in cruise control until that sorry exuse for a player stepped up once again and gifted yet another goal! And if that wasn't bad enough he stands there like a Fuckn statue to let the big striker score there 2nd!! Not the players fault! Behave urself! This guy should have been hounded long ago! Don't even put him in the 1st team squad! And get him to in January! If Ronnie keeps playing this guy and these results keep happening then he can go with him!! Enoughs enough!
02 Oct 2015 09:32:11
DH, who insists on playing Effe? It's not Effe that picks the team.Time after time he is selected and don't say RD isn't aware of Effes trends, if he isn't he's a lot worse than I ever though he could be.
02 Oct 2015 10:26:30
I agree with TTTS. It's RD who picks the team, not efe. I feel a bit sorry for the big man because he was having a good game up to then. After that the mistake was obviously playing on his mind. What I'm sick to death of is losing goals from corners! Every time we concede a corner I fear the worst. Get big Sutton back!
{Ed007's Note - So who should have played in there beside Boyata?}
02 Oct 2015 10:40:29
TTTS I've said Ronnie needs to be held accountable for playin this guy! But u said the player isn't to blame! Utter pish! Then u say he would be an able replacement for biton Hahahaha! I can't even say anymore after that statement! U keep living on fantasy land mate!
02 Oct 2015 12:34:44
There is a lack of options ed unfortunately. Like a few posters have already said, maybe lustig there with efe at rb. It's just pretty disappointing the way the squad looks at the moment
{Ed007's Note - With Simunovic and Mulgrew injured there was only really Abrose left and if RD had played Lustig in the middle and we didn't win the usual people would be on here slating RD for playing him in the middle when Ambrose has been doing well in recent matches.
We drew 2-2 with a team who spent 50 million Euros in the summer and who is paying players 60k + a week and we drew 2-2 with Ajax - a club people regularly cite as the model we should be following - in Amsterdam, both games we were very unlucky to lose after dominating for long spells.
After the Malmo match, if someone had offered me our EL group I'd have been worried, and if they had offered me a start of a draw away to Ajax and a draw against Fenerbahce I'd have snapped it up.}
02 Oct 2015 12:35:34
Get a grip give the team some credit we are better than the Barnes era and the Mowbray! RD has to take some blame bit at least he was open about Efe being partial to the odd calamity but he doesn't have the resources to play anyone else. Blackett at CB would've been too much of a gamble with Tierney at LB. I actually thought Ambrose had a good game up until that point and has been for the past few games its just we don't get away with mistakes in Europe as we do in the Premiership
02 Oct 2015 13:09:11
Can't disagree with any of that Ed. I'd actually forgotten all about Mulgrew so thanks for that! While I'd have probably taken those results before a ball was kicked, it does feel more like 4 points dropped. How do we address defending at corners and set pieces?
{Ed007's Note - I'm hoping things will improve when Simunovic is fit and him and Boyata, who is starting to settle in and look more comfortable, will form a reliable partnership for us.}
02 Oct 2015 15:12:42
I think RD was hoping Boyata and Ambrose's mistakes would cancel each other out!
02 Oct 2015 20:55:49
At times last night we played very very well , but because of one terrible blunder and then after five or so playing minutes later very poor defending from a corner gave them the upper hand and confidence for a further twenty minutes . At that time I thought we were in for a hiding .
However Celtic fought their way back into the game by playing great football and could easily have won . I think I saw some of our best football for years last night in both halves . We were badly let down by Efe's blunder and our non defending from corners . Surely we can over come theses situation
Don't play Efe and work further on defending corners .
A few weeks ago we couldn't get a goal from an attacking corner but now we are .
02 Oct 2015 01:27:50
Did not get chance to see game, not been keeping well lately. But listened to game on radio and realised something. As much as I slate Ambrose, he is a RB. Lustig is a natural CB.
{Ed007's Note - Sorry to hear that mate, nothing serious I hope, take care.}
02 Oct 2015 01:39:20
Thanks Ed appreciate your concern. Need a few treatments but they reckon il be fine.
{Ed007's Note - I'm sure you will be.}
02 Oct 2015 01:56:27
Thanks Ed.
{Ed007's Note - (yes)
02 Oct 2015 09:34:10
DN, speedy recover sir.
maybe a spot of 🎣 would help you on your way?
02 Oct 2015 10:24:31
DN30, Sorry to hear you have not been too well lately, hope you feel better soon.
02 Oct 2015 18:16:34
DN sorry to hear you are not too great. Take care pal👌
02 Oct 2015 00:16:57
Efe's mistake at first goal is inexcusable. But there was at least 3 mistakes for the second. From behind the goal, gordon's starting position was closer to the far post and off centre. For the next corner from the same side his position is closer to the near post. Second mistake is brown in no mans land, not marking post or player and angles wrong as header squeezes between him and near post. Griffiths passed over the goalscorer at the last minute and ambrose is left to come over at the last minute to cover. Its so frustrating to watch ambrose make the ridiculous mistakes he makes because for a lot of the game tonight he did a lot right.
On the whole though and as unhappy as I am at the dropped points. I think some perspective and positives are needed. Celtic have played 2 big european sides and have dominated and looked dangerous for long periods. Young Tierney played tonight and didn't put a foot wrong. Brown was immense in the middle tonight and gave a captains performance. Forrest looked lively and caused problems and i'm not his biggest fan. Boyata also played reasonably well too. Comparisons are always made between Celtics budget when playing smaller sides but tonight left a side with a much higher budget look mostly ineffective.
{Ed007's Note - Nice to see you posting again (yes)
02 Oct 2015 00:40:38
Thanks ed. Still read everyday but don't always get a chance to post. What did you think of the game tonight?
{Ed007's Note - Individual's mistakes cost us again, Ambrose's blunder cost us that tonight, if we had went in at HT 2-0 up we'd have won.}
02 Oct 2015 01:17:48
Ed007 is right,totally. If Efe, and I honestly bear the ghuy no ill will, was playing for The Vale of Clyde he'd be hunted straight away!POOR, POOR, POOR! Radio Clyde had a field day tonight. Pissed off!
{Ed007's Note - I keep saying teams like Ajax and Fenerbahce are who we should be competing with and we are - perhaps it's in the 'wrong' competition but they're in it with us and we're competing with them.
Did Qarabag beat Anderlecht tonight?}
02 Oct 2015 02:12:03
TOTALLY AGREE!We are a Europa League team. We obviously have to recruit with that in mind. BUT GET EFE TO F!!!!!!