Celtic Banter Archive August 02 2014

 

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02 Aug 2014 23:25:43
As asked a couple of days back what was the purpose of today's game. If PL thought a low six fig sum was worth it then consider the long term damage to diminishing reputation down south (gone completely), confidence with a defining game coming up in 3 days (blown to smithereens - 10 goals shipped), is anyone going to start challenging what this man n Desmond are doing to our club

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I agree steve, I would like to see Desmond sell his shares and For PL to follow him out the door, as I see no light at the end of the tunnel with they two in charge.

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European game make no mistake we where pish, yesterday was young bhoys v a good spurs team so training exercise . As for PL & DD LEAVING GEES A BREAK EH,

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Dermot Desmond would sell his stake in Celtic, he has said if someone who had an interest in Celtic wanted to buy them
To be honest I don't think he has a big job turning away potential investors.m

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02 Aug 2014 22:26:21
Sorry if this been asked before and I'm probably thinking it's not on but I'm off to north berwick Wednesday and hoping the games on some where or some screening . any good news peeps hail hail

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02 Aug 2014 21:44:46
This is not a reaction but this club is on it, s knees. The board need to inject some hope to replace this despair, we also need some form of statement of intent as to where we see ourselves going. To do nothing is not an option, the Kelly, s were hounded out for the very same reason! Right now, we are not a big club, we are fast becoming a pimple on the arse of nowhere.

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Do you think we should trust Deila with money after the way we were beaten on Wednesday?

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03 Aug 2014 09:43:31
Why hire him them. As for not giving him any cash, that is precicely the reason we got well and truely humped. FYI we haven`t gave anyone cash.

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02 Aug 2014 20:15:40
Hi Ed, there's a lot of angry celtic fans just know myself included, I just feel we are getting weaker every year where we should have been pulling a million miles away from seveco for them coming back but to be honest we going back the way in my opinion, iam all for giving the new manager a chance because I do think we needed a change but the thing that worries me is he was picked for Keanes assistant if he took job which iam glad he didn't or if Lennon stayed he was coming in as his new number 2. Lennon said through the week board had to take blame for not investing for result which I agree on, it should have been happening after the season we got to last 16 but I would have respected him more if he came out & said that was his real reason for leaving. Pissed off a bit of understatement just now I know that was only a friendly today but we are getting laughed at just now big time, if I was Lawell & Desmond I think they need to pick they're next move carefully.

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Today was merely a friendly and we had mostly a young inexperienced team playing .
A year ago, a younger and less experienced side beat Liverpool one nil

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Yourman, 6-1 ok in ure books then?
All disillusioned fans are in the wrong, nothing to fret about. Cheers

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Steve
I certainly am not dillusional, all I am saying that with a younger less experience side last season we could beat Liverpool . So why should we not have expected Celtic to be competitive yesterday .

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{Ed007's Note - The team that played against LFC was:

Celtic: Zaluska (Forster 46); Matthews, Lustig, Mouyokolo, Izaguirre (Findlay 64); McGeouch, Kayal (George 84), Irvine, Stokes; Balde (Atajic 70), Watt (Henderson 84).

Yesterday v Spurs team:

Gordon; Herron, O'Connell (Findlay 81), Ambrose, Twardzik (Waters 71); Lindsay (Fridjonsson 79), Irvine (McManus 52) Henderson; McGeouch, Pukki (Balde 52) McMullan (Tierney 63).

02 Aug 2014 20:15:32
To be honest guys our first string would have suffered a similar fate. I'm really at a cross road for the first time as a hoops fan I'm totally committed too our team but if the board can't invest then can I keep doing it.I wouldn't invest this amount of cash in any other venture with so little in return HH

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02 Aug 2014 19:24:36
Just seen ambrose has been sent off again today. Twice in the space of 3 days, he's on a roll eh

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Most consistent he has been since he joined!

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Belter del even the mrs lold
Hail hail

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The penalty and the sending off both in injury time were both harsh, particularly in a friendly game .

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02 Aug 2014 19:13:21
were ranked 23rd co-efficient with eufa of the 22 ahead of us, in all honestly without the green tinted specs how many of the 22 ahead of us do you think we could /couldnt win /compete in order imo (1) spain, no chance, (2)England, nc, (3) Germany, nc, (4)Portugal, nc, (5)Italy, nc, (6) france, nc, (7)Russia, nc, (8)Ukraine, compete (9)Holland, c, (10)Belgium, c, (11)Switzerland, c, (12)turkey, nc, 13, greece, w, 14 Czech r, w, 15 Austria, w, (16)Romania, w, (17)Israel, w, (18)Cyprus, w, (19)Denmark, w, (20)Poland, c, (21) Croatia, w, (22)Belarus, w,, too much info to put in for a poll ed? would be interesting to see others opinion of where we think we actually stand in europe

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know how I would put that in a poll but it gave me a couple of ideas for Poll of the Day so they should be up over the next few days.}

02 Aug 2014 18:32:41
Ed - what was the squad today?

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{Ed007's Note - Sorry about that, I was down watching the Accies game today. TheCeltic starting XI was: Gordon; Herron, O'Connell, Ambrose, Twardzik; Lindsay, Irvine, Henderson; McGeouch, Pukki, McMullan.

Subs: Fasan, Waters, McManus, McIlduff, Tierney, Balde, Fridjonsson.

02 Aug 2014 17:28:24
PL you disgust me you really do What was to be gained sending a young team with that Donut Pukki as Captain over to Finland to be humiliated from a top class EPL team Inbetween the week that could make or break our season. There can't have been that much money on offer for this. And I remember when the Celtic armband was worth its weight in gold so for that Donut to wear even in a friendly hang your head PL

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Bang on dth, as a said must stop!at least we previously had a second string to send! atb

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02 Aug 2014 17:04:31
I think we really need to go for broke on Wednesday night so the time I'd like to see starting would be:

Forster
Lustig Virgil Mulgrew
Kayal Biton
Johansen
Matthews Izzy
Commons
Griffiths

3 at the back with Kayal and Biton holding (Biton more than good enough to do that job alone while we're attacking to allow Kayal to get box to box). I'd have Johansen, Matthews, Izzy and Commins in a diamond with Griffiths up top. Possibly, MacGregor could fit in there maybe if Lustig replaces Mulgrew and Matthews drops back into the right side of defence. Contrary to many peoples views, I don't think Matthews can play left back. He did well against Messi because Messi came inside on Matthews strong side but when he played against Benfica Salvio destroyed him.

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At last! someone saying three at the back and just go for it! A want to see a team sheet on Wednseday night that a can see us getting FOUR! would go lustig, vvd, mulgrew four Henderson / McGregor flanks and a gut busting /youthful performance johnansen and kayal in the middle for industry, Commons in the hole, Griffiths up front and a suppose now Stokes would like balde produced if needed to cause upsetting them if needed, pukki to off bench for impact! well said Kevbhoy atvb

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Might shock a few, but I wouldn't play Commons on Wed night.

Whilst he is a cut above the SPL players in Europe he far too often let's me down.

Forster
Lustig, VVD, O'Connell - CB
Matthews, Izzy - WING BACKS

Johannson, Biton - CM

McGregor - CAM

Pukki, Griffiths - ST

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My line up: 4-3-2-1

Forster

Matthews Lustig Van Dijk Izaguirre

Kayal Biton Johansen

Commons MacGregor

Pukki

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I can appreciate people wanting 3 cb but our squad has shown an inability to adapt so I would revert to 442 for the biggest test rather than try to be too smart with tactics.
Forster
Izzy vvd mulgrew lustig
Mcgregor johansson Kayal commons
Stokes Griffith

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BigBhoy your avatar is that 1) a puppet 2) A Son of Struth 3)A Sister of Sevco :-)

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It's a selfie

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The more experimental the line -up the less likely to succeed . Start off solid with a 4 4 2.formation and as the game progresses get more men forward without over exposing, like we did last Wednessday.

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Bigbhoy nice selfie pal but you better lay aff the blue movies for a while pal they are "rubbing off on you" :-)

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02 Aug 2014 16:49:23
RYT. Know it's a friendly but this is beyond a joke now! Ambrose came on as a SUB and immediatly gets booked which leads to Erikson scoring the 5th of the game. Then couple of minutes later concedes penalty for 6th (sigh) what a tadger!

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02 Aug 2014 17:06:41
Did he get sent off again? Looks like RD is trying to see if there's any talent in the younger Celts so can try to bring them on but don't know if he's got much to play with after hearing what happened today. Ambrose needs 3 weeks off on holiday, he's not stopped for 2 years and it's showing because he was never this bad.

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Pedro RD never even went! sent JC

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{Ed007's Note - How bloody dare you try and put some of the blame on Collins! You obviously haven't heard how good he is at volunteering part-time to organise kids training sessions, some have even used the word 'perfectionist' to describe his glittering coaching and managing record.
It's a pity he still hasn't learnt how to set out a team although he played for Monaco so he MUST know what he's doing.}

Now Now ED A had you down as a few things but sarcasm a will need to add :-) No apparently the boys went because they were the only ones that could carry the JUMBO size mirror from his office mate :-)

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{Ed007's Note - :)

Ambrose played for the first 92 mins .
He and O' Connell were holding the team together .

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RD spent the day preparing the first team for Wednesday . He relied on Collins to get at least as good a result as last year .

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Yea I read it wrong on full game, didn't even realise when I posted he got sent off mind lol

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02 Aug 2014 16:39:17
Watched a stream of the game today.

3 points I have to make.

1 . Commentators made me cringe, I know its Celtic TV but get a grip. Just admit for once that Celtic are a shambles.

2 . Another humiliation, yeah its a friendly but our reputation in the world of football has taken a nosedive.

3 . Efe Ambrose - This has to be the last straw, surely he cannot be allowed back into the first team. He was awful again, gave away a penalty when the player was running out of space and then gets sent off for yet another piece of stupidity.

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Never seen it Kev T extract from text commentary, Ambrose was a NIGHTMARE 2) Celtic offered up nothing whole game 3) waste of a warm up for spurs! These cash-chasing, meaning less friendlies must stop! surprised they got away with the line up because usually contractually need to put out a strong team, only shattering young boys confidence, and apparently Balde picks up a bad head knock! atb

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What a week efe is having, can't beileve there were people on here who says he was worth £5 million.

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Why didn't Delia send a strong team to play Spurs? The defensive formation he played against Warsaw was a shambles and this would have been a chance to try and get a more effective defensive set-up as well
as trying to get a midfield that can compete.I can't see the point of playing Ambrose today, even as a sub, when he is unavailable on Wednesday.
I hope Deila proves me wrong and that we qualify for the next round of the CL but I can't see it.

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It really was men against bhoys, they tried their best but were outclassed by a very experienced and expensive spurs team

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Part of a headline on newsnow might temper some of the criticism if the youngsters " 56 £ million spurs duo" this was a team today with players well in excess of a 100 million pounds transfers,

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It wasn't just a defensive nightmare on Wednesday night . The rest of the team didn't help out the back four .
I think a far better Spurs got less chances against the youngsters today but Spurs were more clinical.

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02 Aug 2014 16:20:13
Balde only makes the bench in Helsinki despite the fact only FOUR senior players went? Says it all IMO, must be Belgian bound right enough

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02 Aug 2014 14:38:32
@ Killy

Your recent reply to a post has absolutely irritated me to hell

Your only a real Celtic fan if you go to the games and support.

We had great times and the stadium was full, CELTIC were investing in really good players. Ever since Mowbray took over - we have rarely paid good money for a player, we have been ever so lucky to unearth some real talent. This current squad is at a real low in terms of talent/quality, no one wants to pay hard earned cash to watch the dross that's been on display.

If you ask me its mugs like you that cause the board to think they can treat the fans ( all fans - not just the Real Celtic fans ) like idiots by not investing in the team properly.

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Kev t you don't know anything about me, so you are in no position to call me anything.yes in my opinion you are only a real celtic fan if you go to games regardless of how the team are playing or who is playing, unlike those who only turn up when everything is going well, just like those of other teams when their team is playing in a cup final.the fans of Montrose, Forfar, Brechin etc who have no earthly hope of winning anything yet follow their team week in week out.i can certainly live with being called a mug, as I have called a lot worse, what happened to faithful through and through and best supporters in the world.killy.

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Killy, only for you and thousands like you our club would be one hell of a lot worse off.

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Well then Killy is it not fair to say you know nothing about the millions of Celtic fans ( yes there are Real Celtic fans ) who for one reason or another do not have the luxury to support the team by going to the games either home or away.

I take it as a real Celtic fan you were at the Spurs game in Finland?

I don't know you and you may well not be a mug, its just that you are a true patient supporter that can accept whatever Peter Liewell offers.

I am not so patient where I will spend endless amount of money on Tickets, Strips and the cost of actually getting to Celtic Park to watch a bunch of average players.

I want to be entertained when watching football, not falling asleep watching football that's been on display in recent years. You know its bad when the bus journey to Celtic Park is the best part of the matchday experience.

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02 Aug 2014 12:38:55
Efe is a liability at centre back, I wonder if he would get a chance at right back he plays there for nigeria and perhaps try lustig cb seems to of done well there before, maybe matthews right wing, to me that's a few options but I think we are screaming out for a good cb to play with van dijk

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A think you make a decent point NL was on record saying he was bought as a holding midfielder never as a CH, he only got there because Wanyama who was bought to try and make him a CH made that HIS! As you say Nigeria don't play him there! think that cracks us all up players played out of position Commons at CF WAS awful atvb

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02 Aug 2014 11:09:47
I have deliberately stayed away from posting recently for several reasons, I'm completely aghast at the standard of football we have had to endure for some time now and unfortunately I don't see it getting any better.

I am of the opinion that in RD we have another Mowbray. Out of his depth!

A squad that has been and will continue to be decimated of any quality.

A board who are not willing to spend on a few quality players who would make a difference to team ability and give the support a bit of belief! Yet they bombard us with reasons why we should spend our hard earned earned cash to fill their coffers!

I have not and will not be spending a single penny on merchandise or trips from the south coast of England for me and my eldest lad this season to take in the games or tours. Why should I?

I don't believe I'm alone in this stance, several of my celtic supporting mates around the country are doing the same!

We will not beat this team on Wednesday because despite how poor they actually are. we are worse!

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02 Aug 2014 13:55:35
He made a few bad decisions the other night but it's a bit early 2 say the guy is out his depth. The board is more 2 blame for the result than the manager they have played with fire every season risking not buying anyone until we qualify and it backfires this week then they will have a lot 2 answer for

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How is the board to blame? Did they play Mathews at LB, use a formation that was evidently not working after 10 minutes, choose to play someone that had only signed hours earlier? No these were all RD decisions. Ok the board have yet to give us a signing but the squad that we have should be more than capable of beating that team home and away never mind this embarressm of a score line. Yes the board isn't delivering but don't use that as an excuse for this poor poor result

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02 Aug 2014 17:37:34
Got to agree with the lack of faith in Ronny, I just don't like the guy. His tactics, team selection etc are verging on amateur.

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02 Aug 2014 18:01:12
Jgd, it was the board who took the cheap option for manager, sold off any talent, and replacing with duds.

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02 Aug 2014 18:40:09
JGD aye he made a few tactical mistakes but end of the day he's not being backed by the board and has 2 go with what we have which is clearly not good enough. Any manager would have struggled with our team the other night. Stop putting all the blame on the manager fs. U are probs 1 of the people who wanted strachan sacked after the bratislava game

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02 Aug 2014 18:41:19
Exactly Jbhoy he can only play with what he has he amde mistakes the other nght but it's the board 2 blame simple as that

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Gunniebhoy, your wrong again.I never wanted WGS sacked after the Brataslava game or anytime for that matter but I bet your small mindedness did want him out because "he wasn't a Celtic man" the manager was at fault, no doubt about that he even said so himself. Make no mistake that squad we have is plenty good enough to beat an average at best Legia team. RD will get my support to turn this around but to blame the board for that debacle on Wednesday night would suggest to me that you are blinded with your obsession of getting rid of PL and JP. I bet you were on the front in wanting wee ferguson out all those years ago only to now see him for what he is.

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02 Aug 2014 23:02:34
Small mindedness haha I was over the moon when strachan was named our manager so your wrong on that 1. Obviously the manager is going to take the blame he's hardly going 2 publicly slate his players or the board is he. And 2 say that i'm blinded cause I blame the board makes u sound like an absolute fud tbh considering i'm not the only 1 on here that blames the board. And I was born in 1985 so wasn't exactly old enough 2 want ferguson out so again your wrong and I didn't say I wanted pl out either did I lol clearly said he's not backed the manager same as he does every season but u keep your head in the sand and believe is all rosey cause we are financially safe eh

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I don't think now is the time for the board to splash out . I would like some reassurance that Deila knows what he is doing first .

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02 Aug 2014 10:18:10
Even though I have not posted in a while, I see my "troll"" DN30 is missing me, aw the nice.
I stand by all I said yesterday, in fact a pal of mine who has followed Celtic even longer than me, said he thinks Delia is another "mowbray" and will not last long, I sadly, have to agree, I have nailed my colours to the mast already Delia is NOT a celtic manager.
he is only there because keane, lennon, mackay etc wanted a bigger transfer budget whereas Delia is happy with the crumbs lawwell gives him.

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Not sure that's entirely fair Tim, I am willing to give the new man a chance. He has been saying all the right things. The fact that he inherited a squad under NL that has been in need of surgery for some time would indicate to me that he is the right type of manager we need. That is, give youth a chance, when they are good enough. Wednesday was a debacle all round and IMHO RD fecked up with the team selection. Its early days.

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Iv got to disagree about him being right for the job, yes he is mostly to blame for that defeat but I think he's going to develop young talent very well he just needs some time he made a big mistake but as long as he learns from it we will benefit.

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02 Aug 2014 12:56:47
I think that considering he hasn't been given any time or any investment people are being unbelievably critical of RD. Even van Gaal said that it would take 3 months for his team to fire on all cylinders and he seems to have an endless budget at the moment. Celtic were stale by the end of NL's tenure and almost everyone agreed that a change was a good thing. The guy needs a season at least with a good sized budget. He can't be blamed for the bad euro result because everyone can see that his squad doesn't look close to a high enough calibre to qualify let alone compete in CL regardless of who he played where on that pitch! Look at the 11 then look at the subs then unavailable players, it's distinctly average at best. None of which is RD's fault.

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When you play people out of position and sign a guy who hasn't kicked a ball in 6 months and play as badly as we did then yes ronny does deserve stick.

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02 Aug 2014 13:58:39
How can you call him another mowbray after 1 result? lol people wanted strachan sacked after the bratislava game. Aye the manager made decisions that ultimately cost us that result but the board are 2 blame more than him they have played with fire every season risking our cl future buy not making any signings until we qualify

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Is this what we want now? a manager who says the right things. Look guys I can say that we will bring youth thro, we will play quality high pressure football an develop young players. Don't be fooled by this all young ambitious managers spout this because they have no experience.This guy has done nothing in the game, I will support him because that's what we do but do I believe in him. NO.

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02 Aug 2014 17:32:37
RD knew what he was signing up to, if he didn't the he should have checked before signing on the dotted line. To fall at the first hurdle when you had 45 mins to re-shuffle the team was poor. He isn't and will never be the manager we need to progress Celtic, let's face it he was the cheap, inexperienced option that PL could keep under his thumb!

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02 Aug 2014 09:42:37
Is the Spurs game on tv?

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