Celtic Banter Archive August 02 2012

02 Aug 2012 21:37:45
We should be looking to buy the best talent in scotland so i think we should get Templeton and also try to get Jonney Russell , they are both fast good skilled players and templeton could offer alot towards playmaking and making chances and Russel could be the man to put them away , him and hooper would be a great force upfront as i truely believe stokes isnt consistant enough as proven by last night he made such a negative impact but his record says differnet so maybe we should use him but more as a hooper or another forward like russel or daly back up , also look at rhodes, daly , jackson from norwich or Oba femi martins ? what you think ed? is there goin to be any deals done soon for any big players? {Ed007's Note - I think CL qualification will determine whether it is Plan A or Plan B for signings. I can't see any other reason for nothing happening. We have drastically reduced the wage bill, bid £3 million for Rudnevs, the deal for Fojut fell through and the Hooiveld money paid for Forster.}

This is where I get a bit concerned, say we do get into the group stages, does that not give us only a couple of days before the transfer window closes to sign at least a centre half ?

They must have someone in mind and be taking a huge gamble. Mrs E

I thought the same thing but now with how the dead club is gone I think it is other spl clubs job to hold their top players, cause if we just pick players off other club they wouldn't like us and all could go against us. Unless we loan out our young players but I would like to see russel and Mackey Stevens in the team. Ed what do you think, do you think we will get a bad rap if we pick top players off othe spl clubs? I know the money will help them out to and that it is the way the game/business is. {Ed007's Note - I don't see why we would get a bad rap over it if the player was signed and played, rather than be bought and forget about. That has wasted a lot of careers over the years when the Glasgow teams done that.}

02 Aug 2012 21:21:51
Ed,why don't you do a section where posters can post Celtic songs either old or new for the next generation to learn?I don't mean the music but the lyrics so Oldco's fans grandchildren will know what to sing when their following the Hoops?

Jungle Bhoy. {Ed007's Note - I will need to look into that JB ;-)

Excellent idea!.....
Does anyone know/remember:

I never will forget the day I wore my green rosette,
And the glasgow Celtic showed no mercy,
Get on your knees and pray, its the anniversary, Of the hampden massacre of glasgow rangers.

I remember the old boy singing this a lot but ive never heard it at CP. Kinda the Loch Lomond tune for the song. I changed the end bit, but you get the idea.

02 Aug 2012 20:32:46
listenin 2 the dundee utd game on the radio glad theyr winnin 1 nil scottish teams need 2 do well and sounds like big jon daly is bullyin ther defence suhin rotten cant help hink we should take a wee punt on him 20 goals last season so hes spl proven surely would do well in our team coz we arent goin 2 spend millions on a striker

gunniebhoy

Gutted for Dundee Utd, drew when they could have won 3-1. Dynamo second was such a fluke, shot hit from outside the box and took wicked deflection and dropped into top corner.

Dundee Utd have some decent young players, Mackay-Steven, Russell etc. Is that cause they have better scouts or because they have to play their youngsters?

I think it's the latter and i think we should be bringing in players from the NextGen squad this season. Drop them into each game and occasionally start the likes of Twardzik, Watt, McGeough et al

DazzaBhoy

A caught the last half hour on a stream dazza they played great wer really unlucky deserved ther 2-1 or even 3 mackay steven looks sum player for the future tbh a hink he looks a far better player than wee forrest and the big man daly upfront bullied them we hav been linked wae jonny russell but a would go fir they 2 supposedly bangura is away on loan so we need another striker and realistally we irny gona spend big money

gunniebhoy

02 Aug 2012 18:49:51
Whats with all the negative posts,A win is a win!could have had 3or 4,if we where a bit sharper up front...A centre half is a MUST& a big target man..Hopefully bangura& murphy are put out on loan.,Also I'd play wanyama infront of the defence..Also brown& sammi get some stick,but lets get behind the team..ED is the away leg played on astroturf m8??stevo {Ed007's Note - Yes mate, they do.}

02 Aug 2012 18:54:51
Ed quick question if rangers win there league next year will that be that be there first title or there 55th ? It actually seems a stupid question but the rangers fans I'm working with have told me that it was just the plc that got liquidated which allows them to add to there history need it clarified lol

Kieran {Ed007's Note - Once BDO liquidate the oldco that is it, they can not add to their history. Even Charles Green has stated this, along with countless other 'Rangers' men. Charles Green on June 8th 2012:

"To actually go out publicly and recommend that the creditors vote down the CVA, it seems to me quite unbelievable, because what we're doing in that is saying the history, the tradition, everything that's great about this club is swept aside."

They needed to agree a CVA to keep their history. Look at Leeds, Ken Bates saved them from liquidation so they kept their history, then look at Gretna, they are a new club called Gretna 2008 and play in the East of Scotland league.}

This history situation is becoming tiresome.Why wont any reporter just ask the SFA what the truth is? On any official SFA document will there be titles next to the rangers name or will it be blank? Seems to me the truth is no one actually wants to be the first to make it official.To keep their history currant they would have to accept liability arising from the BTC.You think Green wants that hanging over him?...........green jhedi

Greenjhedi it seems to be a case that the more they say it the more they believe it.

Its going to end up akin to a drunken slightly racist grandad... " oh the things he says... just let him get on with it whatever makes him happy"

Evinguu

Some Newco fans are arguing that because the SFA have allowed Oldco to transfer their SFA membership to Newco, then the history transfers over.

That is simply laughable.

The old history stops and remains with Oldco.

Newco have a brand new history of one game.

The only reason that the SFA have allowed the transfer of membership is so as they qualify as having 3 years trading accounts, otherwise they wouldn't get into any league until after 3 years, albeit the SFA have fudged the issue of Oldco not producing accounts for the year ended 30 June 2011, saying that because Oldco were fined for this it still counts.

But if you want the definitive answer look at Airdrie United, infact look at their history on their website. The admit they are a new club.

The old Airdrie were liquidated (at the hands of Rangers over a debt of only £30k). The new Airdrie, known as Airdrie United purchased the SFA share of Clydebank and that allowed them entry back into the league.

They acknowledge they are a new club with a new history and the old history is frozen with the old club.

Or look at it another way, if the history carried over because of a transfer of SFA membership, then Airdie's history would be that of Clydebank's history.

The Newco fans will argue they are the same club, they have to, they can't say anything else. But just ask them about Airdrie and Clydebank.

K-Dot.

Thanks ed for the qick response and clearing that up for me :) would also like to throw a name into the hat that av no heard in a while mark janko think he signed for Porto last year but has fell out of favour would be a class signing and a think it would bring the best out in hooper what's your thoughts on that then ?

Kieran {Ed007's Note - He signed for Porto in January and scored 4 goals in 10 games for them.}

Its funny there was a BBC article entitled 'Rangers in Liquidation.' Now I know a lot of people over on this side give what the BBC say a lot of respect or at least you did last year. The article ends with the question of history, the response provided is that there is no black and white yes or no answer. In fact some will say it does and some will say it doesn't. There is no point is saying for a fact it doesn't continue because you simply cannot prove it, the footballing share has moved to the newco, so footballing matters can continue. {Ed007's Note - If you want to read stuff from the BBC, what is your opinion on this, is this funny as well?:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509619

Well Mr/Mrs unknown Bear, you've just admitted you do not know if you're history continues. I know for a fact Celtic's does and is totally beyond question...unlike 'Rangers' or whits their name. In you're own words, you cannot prove it :-) Mrs E

Hi Ed.
With all due respect this article is old hat mate. 19th June. Green added another Sevco (shelf name) registered in Scotland.
This BBC article does not mention that,because the article is outdated.
What is funny is McConville's blog as he sarcastically lists all the name changes. P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - It is not outdated P.O.B. until BDO move in and make their position clear the questions remain unanswered to the Rangers fans, once they finalise this liquidation then that is it, even Rangers fans will know that their club is 100% a brand new club. Liquidation is liquidation, no matter what, look up a company registered under SC425159 and compare it with Rangers original company house records.}

Also from McConville's blog ed.
To conclude, “Rangers” can play as “Rangers” and wear the old badge and crest and strip. No one can or will stop them doing so.

Whether in fact, law or football terms “The Rangers Football Club” this season is a continuation of Rangers from last season is a question for debate but one on which there will never be universal agreement. I therefore won’t try to resolve it for now.
The point i'm making is that it is not as clear cut as people think...for now.
P.O.B.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - Ok, we'll see. I thought Rangers fans didn't believe him anyway and where have I mentioned anything he wrote?}

You'll have to excuse the grammar in my previous post...it should be 'your' and not 'you're' ~ Mrs E

02 Aug 2012 18:21:20
readin a lot of the posts about the game last nte and a few sayin about mental slackness and stuff but come on be honest how many years have we been sayin stuff like we played well but slackness cost us just look at braga away utrecht away sion home n away our starting 11 and bench has never got a player 30 or over we lack older experienced players ano our squads yng with excitin players but u look at the best teams in the world they all hav a few older experienced heads 2 calm the team down barca u hav puyol, xavi man utd with scholes, giggs, ferdinand even chavvy chelsea they would never hav won the champions league without the experience of lampard, cole, terry (ano he got sent off) so on we r lackin this so much a big leader who can get a hold of that team by the scruff ae the neck on the park coz only so much lennon can do on the sidelines thats ma opinion anyway HH

gunniebhoy

02 Aug 2012 17:34:26
hey ed007 whats your take on the teams performance last nyt? I think we did pretty well against a sharper teamand we just need to find a settled pair of centre backs.(mulgrew and rogne maybe) all this talk about needing another striker I dont buy I think on there day hooper, stokes and sammy could cos most teams problems I would only be bringing in another one for rotate with stokes.

MurphyBhoy {Ed007's Note - I thought the team played well last night Murphy, a win is a win and that's the main thing.}

02 Aug 2012 14:57:55
Hey all, I was at the match last night, as I'm sure many of you were, and I was quite happy upon leaving CP. Of course, there was some slackness, passes were a couple of feet out, runs were not quite as fluid as usual, but that was to be expected in the first competitive game. It's not so much a physical slackness, but a mental slackness. It takes some time to get into the winning frame of mind again and also to regain your judgement. At least we got the win and hopefully the team will be sharper this time next week.

Danjam

02 Aug 2012 12:23:33
Been reading the posts following the game - some are just a wee bit OTT!
I was at the game and never felt Helsinki were any real threat. We are obviously lacking match sharpness (and Hooper, fitness). We have no divine right to 'horse' ANY team - especially in the Champions League (qualifiers).
The goal conceded was a soft goal from a mix-up - self inflicted - not sharp enough yet. BUT our response was excellent and immediate (hit the post and keeper).
I would guess Wanyama at CB at home, is because we will have more of the ball and he is better using it than Rogne?
Next week Kayal will be back to stiffen the midfield, plus everyone will have another game under their belt by then.
We have options and will be better next week. Helsinki will have to come out and try and score - there will be more space for Forrest and Samaras to hopefully get in behind. It was only our first game of the season last night - calm down and keep the faith.....................kbt1978

02 Aug 2012 09:43:22
scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/.../rangers-fc-in-2012-2013-could-it . just read this by paul mcconville, basically he says sevco need 55,000 crowds at every home game just to keep their heads above water, given that ibrokes doesnt hold 55,000 , looks like they are just going in the same direction as dead club, now that would be funny.. shamrock

02 Aug 2012 01:24:03
Sorry but lenny got his team wrong agen wanyama should never hav been at cb after the inter performance he should be in cm end of. Hooper ? wtf was goin on wae him the night his movement was shockin apart from the goal and izzy looked a mile off the pace at times thot the subs wer the wrong choice aswel would hav kept sammy on or if he was titrin then hooper coz we wer cryin out for some 1 in the box and lenny takes off 2 strikers a didnt agree wae that at aw and commons looked ragin comin off and a dont blame him hes been 1 of our best threats past few games SURELY the board could see durin that game we need the commandin cb we hav been screamin out for and another striker, Stil thot it was a decent performance wae sum gud football played just need 2 nick a goal over ther and we r through roll on next wed HH

gunniebhoy

If he never picked Hooper there would have been an outcry. Commons was just starting to come onto a game when he was taken off. I thought the back four did ok. Brown and Ledley were for me our best players. Hooper I agree has to take a look at himself but he wasn't the only one. I think NL has to take Forrest aside and demand a bit more fight. He obviously has talent but I just wish he would run at defenders more and cover his right or left back where ever he's playing. I was happy with NL's selection at start of game and I think most people were.
End of rant.

Hoopey67

Am not sayin hooper shouldnt have been picked am just sayin his performance apart from the goal was terrible he lacked any movement he looked uninterested at times totally agree about forrest stil think wanyama should hav started in cm but lennon is never goin 2 drop brown for a game like this which i dont agree with coz i would pick wanyama in cm over brown anyday hes no good enough end of the day we should hav spent money and 3-1 at home in a champions league qualifier isnt good enough eveny some 1 who knows nuhin about football could see we need a cb and a striker and taking the risk of not buyin unless we get through is really under threat of back firing

gunniebhoy

What exactly has Brown got to do for some Celtic fans???

The last two seasons we have struggled when he's not been in the team then when he's back we play better oh and go down to the wire the season before last and go onto stroll the league last season. It's no any coincidence that this has happened when Browns came back. Think some Celtic fans should remember that. Brown was great last night IMO.

Hoopey67

02 Aug 2012 00:14:32
Well that was a strange one!Bright start for twenty minutes,then a shaky spell when it looked as if the Finns had found there feet,then a strong finish when we finally looked up to speed.I feel Lenny might have got his team wrong tonight.Wanyama should never replace Rogne unless it's a game time injury and i dont think Forrest has done anything to justify inclusion.Brown and Ledley,who i thought was our best player,were sold short at times in midfield.Mathews and Mulgrew were solid enough but,worryingly Izzy seems to be taking a while to get back to where he was.But by far the biggest frustration was Hooper.I lost count of the times when we had chances to whip the ball in and his movement was poor.Play in the box Gary,thats where we need you and where you thrive.Showed a bit of character though and the win might just see us through,but a reshape of the team will be essential.The astroturf wont help but i dont expect the Finns to change their shape,Scandinavian teams usually play to one system and dont change it,and we might need another goal,the first would be nice Celts! For me a good stiff 4 4 1 1 should see us okay. F Forster
Mathews Lustig Rogne Izzy

Brown Kayal Ledley Mulgrew

Commons
Sammi
Keep the full backs deep and have Commons working inside from Charlies side to save the big man constantly back tracking and tiring out............green jhedi

I'd have same team GJ , tho would give izzy a swift kick up backside, or play twardzik ,
Ska bhoy