Celtic Banter Archive October 29 2014

 

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29 Oct 2014 23:06:31
Delighted wi the result, and for gudetti and griffithus, should b good for the confidence.
Tho need to keep this considency up and turn it into winning things.The board need to show some confidence in ronny now by investing money in players or contracts.
HH

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No matter how well we do, some posters can only fault the board .

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Chris, the results great, all iam saying is if we want to move forward ronny needs the boards support, do u not agree.?

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Well that's a given . However I am happier with the progress under Deila to wonder about the board's ambition or lack of.
I know the board will get pelters if we don't sign Guidetti on a long term contract . But it could be that no matter how much they try, he may not sign . Hopefully he will.

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29 Oct 2014 23:00:14
If we meet sevco in the semi then if fans attend without confirmation it is a new club we would be playing it would being hypocritical as once we meet with confirmation of new club then we can no longer claim they are new club and the con is complete. I for one will not be attending as this would be selling tickets for a fraudulent event. If you attend then you are as bad as the sevco mob.

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Ignore the bast. ds. Some people seem prepared to talk more about them than support their own team .

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See in all honesty, for me I couldn't care less about that mob whoever they are.

The scottish game was on its ar$e before rangers went to the wall and even before they did, old firm games were getting stale. Things change and with league a certainty for years to come (regardless who is in charge), the thing I look forward to each season is europe.

Tonights performance was superb and hopefully people will cut Delia a bit of slack now

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{Ed007's Note - The way some people are going on about it already is pathetic and hypocritical by some. IF we draw them in the semi the CFC support should just treat it like any other wee diddy cup game, we've had some stinking attendances at semi-finals before then all the glory hunters come out for the final. I won't be going near it, I've always had far too much class about myself to mix with their kind, over the last couple of years there isn't even anyone connected to that shower of cheats, villains and criminals worthy of being in the same stadium as me. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, their club's death and their overall inferiority in life to me is enough for me to get by, I'll have that with me until the day I die..
A lie doesn't become truth, a wrong doesn't become right and evil doesn't become good just because it's accepted by a majority. I know our history, and our history is unbroken. They will never be able to honestly say that, what they say, will always be a lie.
Any more posts about them will go on the Rangers Sevco page, that way if people want to laugh at them it can be on there and people who can't be ar$ed reading about them don't need to go on there. We already know they like a sneaky peek on there.}

I was actually going to post regarding this. I can't understand all this talk regarding them we should be talking celtic and in particularly a great performance tonight. I can't understand any celtic fan that goes onto there forums, I can honestly say I haven't even looked in out of curiosity, and I won't. Nightmare you have me talking about them now. Back to celtic . Markie

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{Ed001's Note - it got so bad, we even had to set up a separate page on here for the posts! It is quite worrying how obsessive some people can get over a rival, or former rival I guess in this case.}

That old clubs history ended with liquidation, no arguments against that. Despite being a new club, I view them as our biggest rivals at home - should they survive and get promoted. This new club though, with a similar name, same members (fans), same colours, same home, are the same manky mob I love to hate and would love to beat. So, IF we do draw them, I will be getting a ticket, and I'd imagine a fair few others will too.

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30 Oct 2014 09:23:03
Tim I agree with you. No matter what has happened, they will be our biggest threat which in turn may mean we could miss out on CL football and the income that comes with it which we need. Every time we qualify we get the money and they get starved of it. They can argue it's the same club but come on everyone knows that's a stupid argument so just walk awY from that one. Regardless I want to beat them and would pay to be there when the whistle blows.

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@ed007 I made my mind up not to go to any future matches againist that mob when SFA bent the rules to keep them in league structure, yet Gretna because they were smaller club got thrown out. They are a thing of the past

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Jim Jim You mentioned most of the similarities between Rangers and Sevco.
May I suggest two more similarities, their close and unbreakable links with the cheats who govern Scottish Football. also with those who officiate in Sevco matches . Same, same, nothing will ever change .

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Well pointed out Chris. Makes it more pleasurable when we do win though doesn't it. We're not just beating a team, but the system!

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29 Oct 2014 21:35:02
Izaguirre's goal v Partick Thistle


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Quality team move. Any chance of the other 5 Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - Guidetti's first goal is up already, here's his second:



And Griffiths first



I can't find any decent videos of the penalty or Griffiths second which was basically the Thistle GK Scott Fox kicking the ball off of him and it going in.}

Thanks for those. Guidetti has been on lists of players I'd like to sign for a wee while. He really is the total package, and at 22 and still probably 100% he has to be worth the £5m. Not that the figure mentioned is official or anything.

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Cheers Ed!

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{Ed007's Note - (yes)

29 Oct 2014 22:46:12
As I said theother night prior to this match time to get behind the team and if we winagainst astra then we are in Europe after xmas and can get the league sorted before end of jan.

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We were told four games ago, that Deila was facing into his biggest test and he has won all four .

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29 Oct 2014 22:39:42
No highlights tonight?

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29 Oct 2014 22:09:39
Well that's a domestic cup semi final, 3 points off top of the league with a game in hand, unbeaten in the europa group with a win away from getting out the group, on for a domestic treble, scored 15 in 3 games only let in 2 yet some fans have been saying there has been no progress to see under ronny? hope they are having a severe change of heart the night and admit they have been wrong. People me included probably questioned why the 2 didn't start up front the night but with a 6 nil win who can really question the manager he put out the team he felt was right on the night and we demolished a tricky team who have played well this season. Happy bhoy well done ronny and the team HH

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29 Oct 2014 22:40:33
Just heard john guidetti being interviewed on radio scotland and must say how well he handled himself as most questions were about meeting rangers, the big man never once took the bait on the loaded questions just for that alone john you are a legend already in my book.killy.

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@ 1 Killy did they ask him about stayiing longer term mate a never caught it? Thnx

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29 Oct 2014 22:06:13
Great result tonight Ronny sounded hungry for success today and the players took his lead . great oaks from little acorns grow . so hoping the confidence grows too with players and support being less tense I hope the football and more importantly the results keep coming

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29 Oct 2014 22:02:30
We'll done tonight to the players and the manager who deserves credit after all the stick he's taken. There's a lot to be said for that 4-4-2 formation! Markie

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Lol markie nice one :-)

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29 Oct 2014 21:57:29
What is the betting tomorrow's Daily Rotten says guidetti fee just went up on the back of that performance from 5 mil to 8mil?

And footnote to Charlie Nicholas do you not mean it would take FOUR NEW Rankers players JUST to mark Guidetti out of the game?!

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29 Oct 2014 21:46:50
Well done Ronny and the bhoys! Team gelling together nicely.

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29 Oct 2014 21:29:25
Delighted for Ronny tonight and I might let myself get optimistic.

Cannae whack a Glasgow Derby rout :)

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Will Echo that Mrs E, was worried after 20 mins that it would be a tight affair. Yet another idiotic challenge for the opposition to go down to 10 men, I don't understand players sometimes.

I think its clear that RD told the team to go for the kill in the 2nd half. I just love our new Talisman, great finisher and fantastic technique with the Set Pieces

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Guidetti is my new crush, I love him!

It would do the Club good to get him signed up.

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29 Oct 2014 20:34:56
John Guidetti goal v Partick Thistle

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29 Oct 2014 08:52:37
Hey Ed just seen in the daily rag that city are wanting 5 million for Guidetti. Surly not the lad is a free agent at the end of his loan with us. Is there any chance we will snap him up for a cut price or even on a pre contract or do you think the lad is using us as a shop window if you could shed some light on this would be appreciated as always cheers Ed.

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{Ed007's Note - It's a bollox story. Why would we pay £5 million for a player who we can sign on a Bosman, we are the only club who can permanently sign Guidetti in January (by paying City) everyone else can only offer him a pre-contract which we can also do, we would be as well offering Guidetti £5 million as a signing on fee and even if we were willing to pay that sort of fee there's no guarantee Guidetti would agree to the move, I doubt his agent would be keen before seeing what else is on offer elsewhere. I don't doubt that Guidetti seen moving to CFC as a chance to put himself in the shop window but it's obvious he is enjoying himself at the club, as far as I'm concerned we are in the driving seat and the front-runners to sign the bog Swede.
Come January City are out of the equation apart from the training compensation involved in signing him on a free. I notice that nobody from Man City has been quoted anywhere and do you think it's just a coincidence the story came out a couple of day after RD spoke about wanting to sign Guidetti permanently. And anyway Pedro has said we could sign a £6-8 million player if we found the right one, surely Guidetti fits the bill and so far has proven he can do the damage, wait until he is fully fit and playing the EL after Christmas and he'll prove his worth.
I think wages could be a problem but I don't think Guidetti is as money driven as some and he is only on circa £10/12k a week at City, could he be a player to break the wage structure for especially as he will be available on a free? Here's a general breakdown of a couple of idea of the kind of deal I think would be acceptable and easily achievable by the club:

Basic wage: £30,000 p.w.
Signing on fee: £2,500,000 (paid over a 5 year contract breaks down to circa £10k a week).
Total weekly pay: £40,000k a week (circa £2m p.a.)

Obviously it would be a lot more complicated than that (you can use scoring bonuses, appearance fees, image rights etc), and Guidetti might not even be looking for as much as that, it's just a general idea, the club would be investing £10 million in Guidetti over the length of his 5 year contract, if we sell him 4 years into the deal, and Guidetti becomes the player everyone expects, I'd say we would be looking at £15 - 20 million (remember we got £10m for a GK) for him at least. In the 4th year of his deal we would only be £8m in. If he can score us goals in Europe the money made would more than cover costs. Guidetti is the type of player who can make all the difference at European level, I have never heard one person question his ability or attitude, he has always been destined for the very top of the game, and he knows it. I said it the other day, it would be a fantastic statement of intent from the club if they push the boat out and sign Guidetti permanently and once again shows what I've been saying for years, you don't have to pay millions in transfer fees to get good players, you need to pay the wages.}

Ffs ed you're just showing off now.

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{Ed007's Note - Sorry, I didn't actually notice how much I had rambled on there until I posted it up. Sam'll be regretting asking me!}

Agree with you 100% ED. I posted before that Scandinavians don't seem to be ruled by money and at his age there is plenty time for his last big deal.

I read of his affinity with the feyenoord fans and he seems to be the same with us. Fingers crossed as he would be a major plus.

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers, GJ. (yes)

Well explained Ed;
I wish fellow Tims would steer clear of the gutter press and mankie media in Scotland as they have never treated Celtic with anything other than contempt, ignorance and hostility, so why buy into their guff.
I gave up buying such papers and listening to broadcasts when Alex Cameron, Richard Park and McNee were around and they just keep churning out more bigots and clowns who sensationalise and fabricate on a daily basis with necks of brass.

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I think the lure of winning trophies and competing in europe each season, surely will only make staying permanently appeal a lot more.

Hopefully Denayer next lol

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{Ed007's Note - I can't see Denayer staying past 2016, I do think he will be here next season though.}

Hopefully denayer is here next season. I wouldn't be surprised if club tries to bring in more players next season on loan that are promising prospects

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29 Oct 2014 21:07:39
Ed, I'd b happy getting Gudetti tied up in January over any other business.

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Said at the time that the board deserved credit for signing Guidetti. They MUST match anything he is offered elsewhere either in January or at the end of the season or crowds will be around 10k next season.

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Are we paying all his wages currently now ed now, and do you know what fee we paid to secure him if any? I know that has no relevance, just curious.
Celtic can not dodge this transfer . He's everything we say we are about . Young, hungry and with massive sell in value .
Really hope it happens, just can't help having doubts

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know how much we paid as a loan fee, the person I asked at the time he signed said it was 'insignificant', insignificant in what sense I don't know, he isn't the type you push for an answer. At a guess I'd say we'll be paying all of his wages, arguing with Man City over a few grand here or there would not do the relationship between the clubs much good, it's not as if we've took a player on £60k a week and want City to pay £50k of it. That's just my opinion of it, the ins and out of loan deals are very difficult to find out and Guidetti's situation is odd in that he is out of contract next summer, loan fees can be deducted from transfer fees if the deal is made permanent etc.}

29 Oct 2014 13:37:43
Yesterday's poll says "73% think we will beat Partick" also a lot of posts on here along same lines of another "easy victory" then take on the downmarket south side team in the semi's.
Only problem with above is that Delia's team blows hot and cold, also how many times has he mentioned "players are tired?" in my eyes victory is not assured tonight unless Celtic put in a good performance. Also the league cup in all its guises has always been a banana skin for Celtic.
Then if we get drawn against the lower ranked Govan team, the Scottish media will be in full propaganda mode, Delia has already played into their hands by saying he wants them back in SPFL and if Delia does not take this game seriously and he embarrasses the club by getting knocked out, I cannot see the Celtic fans forgiving him.

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29 Oct 2014 14:15:16
Timalloy, I understand your lack of confidence in our manager but the least that his position within our club deserves is for us to spell his name correctly.

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I always thought people called him Delia purposefully!

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JimTim, If that's the case then it's lack of respect for the Celtic managers position and not the ignorance that I thought it was.

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29 Oct 2014 16:29:55
Well done Timmalloy. Make up hypothetical situations so you can slag off the manager who imo is starting to get things right. Of course we might get knocked out tonight which would be a disaster, but at least have the decency to wait until that happens!

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I remember when I first started reading this site a few years back Timalloy was always going on about what it meant to be a Hoops supporter and reminiscing about the good old days and slagging the zombies, I had a lot of interest and respect for what he had to say. Now he's one of the folk on here that never seems to have anything good to say about the club and are actually hoping Deila fails. Timalloy do you ever post calling Lawwell Liewell or Lennon Lemon? Not even calling our manager by his real name shows an utter lack of class and respect on your part, why are you calling a CFC manager what the zombies call him? You sound very bitter for no apparent reason. I missed the game at the weekend but I'm really looking forward to going tonight, I predict at least a 3-0 win for us and that the usual suspects on here will still find something, anything to moan about. C'MON THE HOOPS!!

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Hi Tim; I get your point.
We have found some consistency at long last and it is paramount that we don't take our eye off the ball - especially in a tournament that a few Celtic managers and teams have come a cropper in.
I am not comfortable with all this talk of quadruples (in October!) - especially by RD and players just in the door and the media are lapping this up as you would expect.
The team must stay focussed and continue to improve as we are always one game away from a crisis at Celtic and Partick are no mugs.

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29 Oct 2014 10:25:27
Anybody know if the games on the TV tonight?

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It's not on tv. Hopefully we put on a show for prob 15000

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29 Oct 2014 08:17:10
I seen in some rags today that Man City are asking for £5m in January for JG. With him being able to talk to all clubs in January, do you think PL will sanction this buy?
I have extreme doubts that he will shell out and try to hold on until the end of the season. I forsee some line like 'JD has promised us Celtic are his tem and he will not speak to someone else' Then on deadline day 'Oh a team came knocking he would not say no too'
I don't see JD as a money grabber and genuinely plays with his heart at a club, he is full of passion, as with most players from his neck of the woods.
I really want PL to get the wallet out for once, maybe this will show intent from him, give us the quality striker we are after and bring some of the buzz back to parkhead.

HH

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Players from his neck of the woods, is that the same neck of the woods where players say they are returning home after playing with celtic, getting a bonus testimonial after only seven years service and then failing to return home and instead signs on for barca.

Yeah I guess Swedish football players are not the same greedy mercenaries like the rest of them. Right then!

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How can somone pay for him in January if he is on loan till the end of the season? Would Man City not have to pay a fee to cancel the loan?

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29 Oct 2014 15:00:10
Tompo he is with us till end if season no matter what. In January he can sign pre contract agreement with us or anyone he wants. Man City can slap any transfer fee on him they want but that is only if he decides to sign for any team that comes calling. Why would he sign in January instead of waiting till July when he is a free agent? By the way £5mill is not over the top for him. Scepo cost us £2.3mill. You don't get a decent striker for under £5mill. We sold Hooper for £5.5 two seasons ago. We need to get the cheque book out or we will continue to struggle for goals. Question is, will he stay?

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Thanks Jonny I thought that was the case just usual pi$h from the papers as soon as manager says he wanted to keep him! You couldn't make it up. oh wait they did lol

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@frewboy. I guess you are a sevco troll? By their neck of the woods I mean Scandinavians, EG Lustig, Johansen, Berget ect. I will not waste any effort on you, guy. Anyway, I am looking for celtic to make a decent bid in January to make some sort of statement to prove that should we need 5M then its no problem

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{Ed007's Note - Sevco troll?


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Sevco troll, brilliant rhetoric there mate, because someone clearly states that footballers are greedy no matter what region they come from or wether we think they love our dear team or not.

Then to back it up using Berget as an example is just proving ma point; to hazard a guess I would say he will be on circa 20000 a week. He doesn't even get a place on the bench but can demand money like this, meanwhile others in the country struggle to get by but then again I must only worry about these things cause I am a sevco troll.

I seriously hope Guidetti stays as he looks a real talent but I am just afraid if someone does offer serious cash then his head will be turned. But as you say ubercelt shottsbhoy he's from Scandinavia he doesn't need to look after his future.

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Ok, even if Berget is a bad signing, so what, we can't complain about Guidetti or Denayer and some of the others could turn out ok too.
If anyone knows any manager or club who hasn't bought or signed poor players, then I would like to know that manager. Any club would be pleased with one good signing out of every three.

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Chris you are missing the point I was trying to make mate, I am not criticising the management team in anyway.

All I am saying is that footballers are not the loyal doesn't matter how much I am earning people and why should they be it can be a short career after all.

So in Guidetties case who has already seen his career nearly ended, money is an important factor and if someone offers considerably more then he would be silly not to take it. Fingers crossed the ones offering him a healthy wage are celtic as the boy looks as though he could take us up a notch or two; and that type of player should always be afforded.

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Chris you are missing the point I was trying to make mate, I am not criticising the management team in anyway.

All I am saying is that footballers are not the loyal doesn't matter how much I am earning people and why should they be it can be a short career after all.

So in Guidetties case who has already seen his career nearly ended, money is an important factor and if someone offers considerably more then he would be silly not to take it. Fingers crossed the ones offering him a healthy wage are celtic as the boy looks as though he could take us up a notch or two; and that type of player should always be afforded.

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{Ed007's Note - It wasn't an injury Gudetti had it was a virus, he could just as easily think to himself he's missed that much football he should stick around for a while, enjoying playing and winning trophies, learning under RD, improving his fitness (he's still not 100%), improving his game, scoring goals, playing in Europe, it won't affect his international chances, in fact it could improve them with Lustig being here and being watched by Swedish national team staff.
We all knew deals for Robbie Keane or Bellamy were never going to happen, this deal could and should happen. To me it's in the board's hands now, they have a season to get working on it and I hope the fans don't start banging on about signing him for the rest of the year, that's not going to help anyone.
Feyernood IMO are our main rivals, they had doubts over JGs fitness and didn't want to risk it, it's up to CFC the club, the team and the fans to replace Feyernood in his affections. That and Pedro to seal the deal, Guidetti is the type of player who puts bums on seats and it all seems to be falling into place on the park. More and more people are buying into RDs plans and he proving all the doubters wrong, how many people are regretting not going to last night's game?}

Sorry ed but I never said it was through injury, as I said earlier hopefully we put the proper package together and along with the European prospects we have, hopefully we can persuade him to stay. He really is looking the part.

As for regretting not going along to Parkhead tonight I can seriously say that's one of my true regrets of emigrating to oz not being able to witness the atmosphere first hand. You start to feel like your no longer a part of something.

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{Ed007's Note - I was just highlighting that it wasn't a footballing injury, that can really effect players after that length of time out. I think living on the other side of tge world we'll forgive you...... this time!!!}

30 Oct 2014 12:41:21
@Frewboy -, why are you so anal about how people post? Even after ED corrected you, you still back pedal! I was referring to Henke, Big Dolf and Lustig for their loyalty, It seems a trait for most players from that area to not be money driven.
That is the point I was making take it as you wish. I don't care either way. Support the club you claim to love son, stop trolling through this site trying to act controversial!

ShottsBhoy

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Shotts as far as I am concerned mate sites like this are to air your opinions; you might think people not agreeing with everything you say is contraversial but others have different views on things.

As for the henke thing the original post was about him if you read it properly you would see that.

Were you happy when henke came out in the press and said he had turned downed the managerial position. The day of the champions league qf, totally undermining the current boss?

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29 Oct 2014 06:57:56
So Charlie Nicholas reckons sevco only need 4 players to challenge Celtic. Well this, coming from a man who has a huge success as a manager winning the, oh and then he took a team all the way to the, and let's not forget the run of league wins when he managed. Pundits like him really annoy me. Great and good players don't always make great managers and so they become expert analysts spouting off their wisdom on teams mistakes based on hindsight and several replays of an event. Rant over!(devil)

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He's probably right. Problem for them is those four players are Ronaldo, Robben, Pirlo and Neur. Silly Charlie.

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29 Oct 2014 15:03:44
Looking at our current squad I don't think Charlie is that far out. Maybe 6 players tops however that is probably £12mill minimum investment. Is Ashley going to get his wallet out? Doubt it.

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28 Oct 2014 23:45:33
Would john Collins b replaceable /missed if media reports ar true that the Sfa ar looking for him as new sports performance director?.

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29 Oct 2014 01:24:01
I don't even know what it is he actually does at celtic anyway just sits on the bench for 90 mins and never moves lol never see him shouting onto the players or giving any orders or instructions which most assistants do

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Hopefully we're being coached so that not many instructions need to be given on the touchline - just the urgency to which the way we play should be applied. I agree it's still nice to see a bit encoragement or certain things being pointed out. I'm not so sure Collins would be a big miss though no.

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