Celtic Banter Archive November 29 2013

 

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29 Nov 2013 23:15:27
Ed007, just heard a helicopter crashed into a pub in glasgow ( clutha bar I think jeez hope no-ones hurt )

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29 Nov 2013 23:03:59
I know its nothing to do with footie but shocking news on telly about a police helicopter crashing into the roof of Clutha Vaults . DH {Ed007's Note - I'm just following that on the newsfeeds DH. Let's hope everyone gets out safely and gets they care and attention they need. We may only be a wee shitty country to some people, but as a nation our heroic emergency services allow us to hold our heads up high safe in the knowledge that they are up there with the best in the world.}

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Ed I'm not a great flyer at the best of times but helicopters give me the creeps . Know the Clutha well good bands and atmosphere especially at weekends . Imagine it would have been busy tonight, hope everybody's ok . DH {Ed007's Note - I have been on helicopters a few times over the years and never liked them. I'm like you I hate flying in any form, in saying that I hate boats as well and I will admit I even got seasick on the ferry to places like Arran and Millport etc when I was young.}

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Ed I used to love flying . It never bothered me, I actually loved it till one flight coming back from the Celtic Convention in Vegas 10 years ago . We hit severe turbulence and the stewardesses were actually crawling up the aisles on their hands and knees . It really freaked me out and I've not been the same since . Don't get me wrong I still fly albeit with a few sherbets in me for Dutch courage but helicopters . No chance . DH {Ed007's Note - The stewardesses on their hands and knees would have done it for me, I'd have took a heart attack there and then! I have zero patience, it is the idea of just sitting doing nothing that drives me crazy, I can't even go for a bath, I need to use the shower. When my leg was bad and I couldn't use the shower it was a living nightmare for me going for a bath.
The thought of lying or sitting doing nothing doesn't sit well with me, it's why I rarely sleep, I can't just lie there and clear my mind.
It terrifies me what women do in a bath for the length of time they do!}

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30 Nov 2013 00:06:37
Ed007, seems on twitter people saying an explosion on sauchiehall str unsure of this don't do twitter myself {Ed007's Note - I've not seen that myself.}

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Ha ha Ed . Can't slag women in a bath . I myself can lie in a bath for an hour and come out like a prune . Can't abide showers, fit them for a living, sick looking at the things . DH {Ed007's Note - I even need to watch the TV with the timer on when I am going to sleep. If the room was silent I wouldn't get a wink of sleep. I really find it hard to relax and clear my mind. Even when I was due to get anaesthetics to get ops done I was panicking about lying there, even though it was a medically induced anaesthetic I was panicking over lying there doing nothing. How can you just lie there in a bath? Do you take a TV or music in with you...or a book??
I'm a f***ing weirdo.... when I read back some of the things I say or talk about!}

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Ed I do all that, sly go
on laptop sitting on pan or bit of sounds and a good book; before I chucked it fags and ashtray, easily spend 2 or 3 hours inbath

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Take my phone with me . That's got all my music on it . Only thing is when a song comes on that I can't be bothered with I've got to get out and forward it . Freezing . My missus cracks up because I like my music loud . God knows what the neighbours think . DH {Ed007's Note - I had to read that a few times there, I thought you were bragging about sharing a bath with the wife and she got freezing (in a private place) getting out to change the music.}

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29 Nov 2013 22:23:51
@ Ed007 forget the last attempt to post. Its a new laptop for me . fae santa ah hope, the sentiments of it was we as a club should not tolorate the hijacking of the good name we have for the political agenda of any organisation as you know I love the colour the passion and the atmosphere the GB bring, but any association with anyone with involvment in the killing of innocent civillians (Wow that's even harrowing typing that )should not be allowed at our door sorry K B, maybe I've got this one wrong apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick, it's not just a silly wee banner or silly wee boys, I don't want to ever have to explain to my grandkids that I said nothing, anyway, I expect to get shot down with this one ( Not literally) I hope good night and may your god keep you safe

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29 Nov 2013 20:48:52
Just watching the victory shield on sly, what a prospect the young bhoy Calvin Miller looks. I know he turns 16 early in new year. Ed, do you know is that when we can sign him on a pro contract, don't want another feruz situation on our hands. {Ed007's Note - Once he turns 16 he can sign a three year contract. Under FIFA regs only 3-year contracts are permitted if a player is younger than 18 years old.}

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29 Nov 2013 20:28:47
Something a wee but different with all the gb talk been watching the victory shield game between Scotland and England and quite a few of the young Scottish boys look as I'd they're cracking wee players it makes you wonder why so few push on and make it do you think it's down to the coaching they get at there clubs or just they're attitude or that most clubs just don't trust using them because as a say a few these boys look good maybe it's about time tried less coaching with them and try trusting them to play on instinct and skill and give them a chance just wondering what others though

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We have no idea in Scotland how to develop schoolboy/ youth talent. It's all completely wrong. Great possible talents have been destroyed. Some deliberately. It's too important to be put in the hands of incompetent trainers, mostly former players at clubs who have zero competence in such issues and are useless.

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Dez there's a few factors, I'm no expert but I do coach and have done for a few years at different levels.
It all starts from grassroots football.
It's not be all and end all but, mostly its the coaching until the later yrs.
soccer 7s: (non competitive) development in all boys and to be fun :)
(Pro youth sniffing about at early ages which can get parents excited)
11s: big step up from 7s (clubs looking to vote in 9s before 11s) not just pitch, goal, and team size. Attitude size aswell from early on, especially if boys been taken on trial from pro youth!
Also competitive.
At community football level where I coach the difference from early soccer 7s to under 16s (11s) is unreal. The younger play the better football!
Anyway long story short, if and when these guys are good enough, which I've seen and they are! The game changes for them as every point is a prisoner because it means money at pro level, teams that have to for financial reasons will play the youngsters, the better off won't!
I've missed a few points but tried to shorten it to the point also.
I took my under 10s to play celtic under 9s and it was freighting lol, if that what other academy's are producing then we should have bright future.

Bigbadjohn

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I know there in short supply, but look at dundee U. That's a club who seem to be nurturing young tallent by the bucket load. let's look at the latest youngster he's being courted by some of the biggest clubs on the planet, but what's best for the boys future? Probably not staying at utd? Maybe he can go to one of these clubs and be lost in a wealth of future prospects. In my opinion his best chance is to go to celtic with a small fee going to utd. Then wee xan progress him, withh the understanding when we move him on we get the lions share but utd get a sizeable chunk. Might not be great economics but we get a good prospect and cash utd get cashprob greater than selling now, plus the boys career can progress without ending up like a liam miller. And scotland can benifit with a great talent being brought through the correct way. Or utd can sell now for good dough and we never hear of the boy again.
HHThommyj (just a thought)

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29 Nov 2013 19:48:23
I see a lot of posters seem to be taking the moral high ground with the GB's politcal statements. The group have been around since 2006-07 now, and I can assure you from that first season they have displayed numerous political, religious, anti-PLC and/or offensive banners without as much as a peep out the general support.

Also, the Alerta Network (antifascist group) flag has been over the 111 exit/entrance every single home game since the section began. For fans to start jumping on the offended bandwagon now is moronic in my eyes!

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@OP

To be clear, the banners do not offend me at all and that is not what this is about.

I've no idea why folk are spouting anti-Irish stuff, was William Wallace Irish?

A couple of weeks ago it was all foodbanks and Living Wage, now we're looking at a fine of several thousand pounds at least caused by our own fans?

The banner is against UEFA's rules regardless of what the politics are, end of story!

Maybe they'll decide not to fine the Club and we could get off, who knows.

I just find some folks statements about it being okay to bring politics into football in this Country naive.

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William Wallace was a Norman Baron's son in lowlands Scotland. His father was a Baron and Wallace was married to the Norman Sherriff of Ayr's daughter. Scots weren't allowed to do that socially. He was third generation Norman born in Scotland. He served in the English Army. He never wore tartan.
William wasn't a scots name but Norman. (William the conqueror?) and neither was Wallace (pure Norman).
Wallace battled against Pure Scots, mostly west highlanders and Hebridean men who were Irish Gaels. Learn your history. It's in the national library Edinburgh. {Ed007's Note - I think we can skip the Scottish and Irish history lessons. There's a time and a place and a football forum isn't one of them.}

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Mrs E, the banners were a statement to raise the issue of double standards by Police and the Scottish goverment who think it's offensive to sing songs honouring an Irish freedom fighter ( MP) and the fight for Irish nationalism yet find it acceptable to sing songs honouring Scottish nationalism. Liewell + co are playing divide and conquer with the fans. Deflecting attention away from poor performances, lack of ambition in the transfer window, the living wage, etc! Football and politics go hand in hand all over this world, so to say people in this country are being naive is, well, you being naive yourself.

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What's not to understand its pure and simple, Celtic games are for people to go and support there FOOTBALL team simple . It's not suppose to be for political statements and that's what the green brigade have done, weather it happens elsewhere is neither here nor their, green brigade broke the rules set out by football authorities and the majority of celtic fans seem to want them to stop because it is hurting our club.

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29 Nov 2013 22:08:27
Fed up reading posts here and and papers of fans taking the moral high ground and shooting down the GB.
Last week at Aberdeen game and Tues I did not here one disparaging voice within crowd when banners displayed.
If the rest of fans were that enraged then why didn't they show dissent then? Oh that's right, because that would mean showing emotion, something that 95% of our support now don't bother doing at CP. Anyone for a prawn sandwich!
Thank god we've an away game this weekend so I can enjoy the game and atmosphere

Stevo Dundee

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HamiltonBhoy, I don't like this Act anymore than you but the point the GB made on Tuesday night was debated in the Scottish Parliament over 2 years ago. The GB are well versed on this Act and would be well aware of this.

Roseanna Cunningham (SNP's Community Safety Minister) admitted GSTQ and Rule Brittania could be regarded as offensive acts when she was questioned about the Bill again 2 years ago!

Personally I would much rather have seen a Milan style banner from their game last weekend expressing the fans misgivings with the boards lack of spending and the players poor attitude. Then there would have been no divide and conquer would there have been?

Instead the fans have played a part in this 'deflection' and only gave the SNP ammunition.

I think the banner was badly timed and disrespectful.

There nothing will deflect my attention away from the poor performances or the guys that sit around about us or some other fans I've spoke to since Tuesday, obviously I can't speak for everyone else.

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@2 .William Wallace ( Wullie to his mates ) was born in Castlemilk in the 13th century . He wasn't great at school and left when he was 7 with no qualifications . In his teens he went to France with his good pals Rab Bruce and Big Boaby Roy to bring back cheap tobacco and booze and sell it to English landowners . He was well known because of his long curly hair and he always painted his face blue and white when he had a bevvy in him and would walk about the streets shouting " freedom " . He also never wore tartan because tartan was only invented in the 1970s by a pop group from Edinburgh . Learn your history . DH {Ed007's Note - Hahaha I liked that one DH.}

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As a member of the EU we have such things as the human right to freedom of political expression. Why should we completely disregard our fundamental human rights because we enter a football ground? What makes a football ground any different to anywhere else in the world? What does Gazprom, Magners, MasterCard, etc have to do wi football? They're in no way more or less relevant to football than politics. {Ed007's Note - Gazprom, Magners and Mastercard pump money in through sponsorship deals though HB.
If the IRA or any terrorist movement could come up with that kind of money believe me, UEFA would have every kid that shakes the centre 'ball' wearing a balaclava and shades with commentary for infidels live from Bin Laden's mud hut. Oh wait, he's 'dead' isn't he....}

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29 Nov 2013 19:05:35
@Hamiltonbhoy "what is an ordinary fan".
To myself it is someone who supports their team through thick and thin, pays their money to support his/her team, buys club merchandise etc.
not attention seeking persons like the GB.
I agree with Mrs E post down a bit in which she calls them childish. They are only interested in their own views, not anyone else's, Hamiltonbhoy do you think they would engage in a debate with you at the game if you disagreed with their agenda?
Just for the record I know all about the struggle for justice in Ireland. I know all about all the injustices at the hands of the British army, my own family suffered at the hands of the black and tans. The fight for decent housing, jobs, voting etc. yes these all deserved to be highlighted but NOT at Celtic Park. Most of these battles have been won, yes bigotry still exists, as does favouritism with jobs, better houses but slowly things are getting better. Flying silly banners at a football match will not help any of these issues back in Northern Ireland.
Being a Celtic fan means we all hold different, sometimes opposing views, but we all share a love for our team, but please fly the banners OUTSIDE the stadium. Timalloy

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Smashing post m8

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Well said Timalloy!

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29 Nov 2013 16:23:17
The Green Brigade has a special ability to create controversy, of that there is no doubt. They do the singing/chanting/noise bit very well and they can create a fantastic atmosphere for everyone who attends matches. However it appears that a part of their package is the other stuff that a lot of people (and the club, and UEFA etc.) don't like and it is unlikely to change. After all, they wouldn't be "ultras" if they sang pretty wee songs all the time!
My question is: Is there any reason why another section of the ground can't create as much noise and bring some excitement to home games without the so-called negative aspect that seems to happen with the GB from time to time? My impression is that there are a lot more people who support them than oppose them so until another group has an alternative idea it looks like they're going to stay exactly as they are. unless the club ban them, of course.

Your thoughts?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy {Ed007's Note - Sorry for the cut n paste Chris but I answered this on another thread late last night:

If these people moaning about the GB were helping to produce an atmosphere rather than sit there waiting to be 'entertained' while they eat their half time chips or waiting on the game to start are partly to blame for this problem arising. All this BS about 'Oh what a display by the GB today', I thought people went to watch the football and cheer on the team on the park, not sit and watch the game as the GB play in the background like some background music.
I think it is actually embarrassing that we need this 'singing section' at all. Man Utd, the biggest football club in the world are taking dogs abuse from smaller clubs fans because they are introducing a singing section, I think it says a lot more about the people that go to matches these days. Then we have the celebrity and part-timers who turn up for a big game just so they can brag in the office they were at the CL match, they got complimentary tickets but that will be it for the season for them.
Football is not the social occasion it once was, that is the sad truth in it all.
Celtic Park should be a 60,000 singing section EVERY game.}

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I hadn't seen this post Ed. Thanks for that. I totally agree with it too.
There's no point grumbling about the GB if those who complain are not prepared to do something about it, is there? Part of their appeal is the fact that they do create a very enjoyable atmosphere even with their controversial banners. In an ideal world they would continue in exactly the same vein but with the banners changed to football matters. I'm not saying I disagree with their topics of protest but they do know that the club doesn't like it, yet they still do it.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Hi chris, ed I must admit I myself look around my self and wait for the singing to start.I also look round, as I sit in front of the green brigade to see the banners or the antics and that is as much a part of match day as thr game its self. I'm one to start a song myself which is often joined by a few around me but usually peters out very quickly and I'm left chanting a few lines myself before I fade away and mumble then sit down.The atmosphere is very flat and often embarrasing if not boring at times And I would love it to return not just on c.l nights. I think most turn up out loyalty but the passion and THUNDER is all but gone and needs adressing. So thank god the g.b are here they have their faults but imagine what it be like without them HH Thommyj {Ed007's Note - A few years ago we were playing a LC match against some lower league team (Stirling Albion??). Me and a few mates decided to get a batch of tickets all sitting together. The place was like a morgue until one of the opposition players went right through one of ours and one of my mates got up giving him heavy dogs abuse. Without a word of a lie a guy in the row in front of us asked him to keep it down as he was using the phone. I was speechless but a few of my mates weren't. We sat like a wee group of lunatics, up dancing and singing all game just to pi$$ that joker off.
Even on Tw@tter how can anyone be watching/following the game yet tweet everything that happens. There is an official account to do that, every match you end up with 200 commentators on your TL. I'm in one of my ranting crabbit/moaning moods by the sounds of it. Apologises in advance to everyone :)

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Agree but "Controversial" is for me a bit harsh, ., .kbarry

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29 Nov 2013 18:35:24
Totally agree with you ed. I was over for a few home games this season and I have to say although the team doesn't give much to shout about (apart from frustration) there was no atmosphere whatsoever. there was more atmosphere on the bus and the boat but fans really need to step up and support the team properly

also what you were saying about the boy on the phone ed the same thing happened me at start of this season where a group of us were shouting chanting and what not and about 5 people told us not to be shouting in there ears (excuse me if i'm wrong but what are people like that doing at the match then if you can't have people singing behind you?)

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Rant away 007 some of your best insights come when your in this mood. Ed without a word of a lie I now guys who openly admit to only going these days to get away fae household chores set out by the enemy indoors I go because I luv it but a dispair at the way it's become I even have to regail tales of old to my kids to keep them intrested because there getting bored and with winter apon us I can't see them wanting to go especially if the g.b's wings are clip because even though they don't fully understand their meaning at times they love the passion they bring HH Thommyj {Ed007's Note - I know a couple of guys that have used a match as an excuse to body-swerve painting the living room. I've not being going regularly for 2/3 seasons now but even before that me and my mates were spending more and more time in the LRT than in the stadium.
It must be a nightmare at times trying to keep kids interested in the match these days, there's nothing in the football to excite the fans, and that's where kids get it from. They see their dad celebrate a goal, applauding some nice play and hear him give opposition players/fans abuse, then as they grow older they appreciate the game and realise why their dad acted the way he did and they start to respond in the same way. Trying to make a boring game of football on a freezing Tuesday night appealing to youngsters must be a task and a half, I don't envy you that.}

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Yeah mate so true, but some times kids bring entertainment all of their own, for example my sons first game, can't rememeber who againsts it was a cup game, anyway after a long mazy run adian smashes a drive into the net and the crowd goes wild, ten mins later my boy, who was about five stands on his seat and starts to chant" Lamborghinia Lamborghinia" I stood pussled and asked him why, because as most kids he's mad on topgear and he just looks back and says phftt dad the guy that just scored the goal, well for me that's a story that will be told in pubs all over europe for years to come
HHThommyj {Ed007's Note - Hahaha That's a good one.}

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In the old Celtic Park, there were always those who generated atmosphere, by leafding the singing. At that time people could stand where they liked, and the singers congregated in the Jungle. Those days have gone, and now the 'singers' are scattered throughout the ground. This is where a group such as the Green Brigade have a valuable function. The issue has been touched on by others.Their beliefs are shared by many of us, but nowadays Celtic Park is not the place to air them. A final word. How on earth did the group manage to enter the ground without stewards or police seeing the banner{s]

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Cheers ed wasn't sure that would come across in txt, most of my best moments in recent years revolve around the kids. Like my daughters first game was dundee utd at home, last game of the season.I'd swapped seats so I could get two the gither to take the wean, she's four blonde pig tails and cute as a button. It's the season larsson broke his leg, well the wean spent the match pointing and tellin everyone around her larssons in the main stand because he's a sore knee and the bhoys and girls around us were fallin over them selfs to cuddle the kid lol! Anyway on the way out I heard her jinggiling. I picked her up and she was heavy, she emptied her pockets and she had £31 quid.I said where did you get that and the wain said the kind celtic people.I knew the odd guy gave her a pound but that, I was blown away! Thank god I never took the wife I'd have owed the kind people money
HHThommyj {Ed007's Note - I bet she never halved the money with you? Those penny-pinching women start early.}

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29 Nov 2013 15:12:20
ed007 is top bhoy got to be said keep up the great work mate always enjoy reading what you have to say
Paul {Ed007's Note - Cheers mate, it's appreciated.}

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29 Nov 2013 14:39:27
heart of Midlothian saved cva accepted history and all saved

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Stage one of 5 mate. They aren't out the woods yet but I'll be pleased if/when they are. Can't stand the sight of there supporters but wouldn't want to see Hearts go to the wall.

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29 nov 2013 13:05:50
does anyone know where the name celtic comes from?

does anyone know why the club was founded by brother wilfird?

from what i know, celtic was the name chosen to reflect the clubs irish and scottish roots, the celtic nations of scotland and ireland. brother wilfrid formed the club to alleviate poverty in the east end of glasgow.

if celtic had remained outwith the control of money men and was a charity we would not have been playing in the uefa competition last tuesday. obviously i wasn't about 126 years ago but from what i've read of celtic's history brother wilfrid only had charitable intentions for the club however others seen the financial potential, namely john glass and pat welsh. without the knowledge of brother wilfrid, they bought 8 of hibs best players and offered them cash. the story goes from there

many say its down to john glass that celtic are a professional football club today. the cold reality is, without john glass celtic would not be in existence anymore or not as we know it.

125 years later and what we read on the internet is some fans are ashamed of the plc, really? after all this time

the snp recently brought in the offensive behaviour at football act which i am completely opposed to. when the bill was being debated in the scottish parliament over 2 years ago, there was comparisons drawn to flower of scotland and other songs which could be banned included gstq. so my question to the gb is why wait over 2 years to raise a blatantly obvious point that was well publicised at the time and at a competition where the use of anything like this is punishable?

in my mind, its simply because they were asked by the club not to and for no other reason. like a spoiled brat who is asked by their rich parents to behave only for them to be naughty. and who would a spoiled brat expect to bail them out (ie pay their fine), mummy and daddy of course (the club).

this has nothing to do with politics or freedom of speech, its just as peter lawwell put it - disrespect.

clubs might be seeped in politics all over the world but all its brought them is hatred and violence. tell me any club where politics and football mixed have brought happiness and contentment? certainly not in glasgow that's for sure, young teenagers have lost their lives and many have been severely disfigured.

to say the club has hung the fans out is ridiculous and deadly ignorant. maybe these internet bampots would like to face the mother of a teenager subjected to violence and explain what place politics has.

celtic and uefa have a responsibility to manage this violence, maybe someone who is disgusted with the club (as some have put it) can offer advice or something constructive on how this could be done?

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What is ironic, given the date today, is the history of St Andrew's links with Scotland and the religious / political significance it holds.
I wonder if UEFA want to ban the Saltire?
LFC

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Barcelona do quite well out of bringing politics into football Mrs E. Even their "more than a club" motto has political undertones.

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This rule has existed with UEFA for a while, is there a point to comparing other Clubs in their competitions now and the politics of the fans/Club/officials are? I’m sure you will find Celtic are not the only Club in Europe to be fined for having a banner.

LFC the flags are not the issue whether it be St Andrew’s cross or the Irish tricolour. It’s a banner containing the word terrorist and supposed to be having a pop at the SNP (a political party)

I did write in my post that a lot of Clubs are seeped in Politics, my question was how do you keep them in football in a non violent way?

Agreed UEFA need to be consistent and to be honest, I do not know enough about Spanish/Catalan politics with Barcelona to comment. I’ve never seen any of their banners or paid much heid. I don’t care

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Nice civil way to answer somebody there Mrs Ego. the guy made a valid point about Barcelona in answer to a question you asked and you come back with "I don't care". It's unbeleivable how arogant some people on here are at times

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Poster 4 the lass doesn't care about Spanish politics, not the posters point if you read it right.

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Well no5 Mrs Ego asked the question. "tell me any club where politics and football mixed have brought happiness and contentment?"
The guy answered that Barca seem to do ok with it and her reply was "I don't care". Don't ask the question if you don't care about the answer, wether Mrs Ego has any interest in spanish politics she shouldn't ask questions she doesn't care never mind know anything about the answer to. The poster took their time answeingr something that someone asked only to be told the person didn't care I'd say that's ignorant and bad manners. Are you saying the guy is wrong about Barca and their political ties and how it has worked out well for them? {Ed007's Note - Take a chill pill mate. I can see your point but I think it is just the way Mrs E (less of the childish name calling please) has worded it or the way some people might read it. She admitted to not knowing enough about it and didn't care enough to want to learn, she wasn't dismissing the guy that answered or saying he was wrong, she was admitting she didn't know enough to pass a fair comment.}

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The sooner this site has anonymous posters taken off the better, if you don't like violence you have an ego?!

Ego? What are you basing this on? The fact I don't like the violence at all never mind at football. Well if that make me the opposite of you and an Ego then that's fine by me.

Okay Politics and football mixed have brought happiness and contentment to Barcelona, that was an answer to my question. I've then said I haven't seen any of their political banners, what are they and for example do they contain the word terrorist? (Not songs or flags, we are not being investigated for this from Tuesday only the banner)

My concern is the crap that comes with bring politics into football in Glasgow, i'm quite sure none of us need any history lessons about that.

I've also seen Neil Lennon getting it now for saying his 'heart sank'. This is the same Neil Lennon who is Irish and has been attacked in this Country, death threats and lived in fear. Aye how dare he speak out about this subject. Probably got more of a right than most particularly the folk that are so opposed to an Act their idea of protesting against it is turning up at a football match and showing a banner for 5 mins, yeah that'll show them! Bluddy cheek to show the faces of 2 men who really knew how to stick up for what they believed in.

All they have done is caused an investigation by UEFA, gave the SNP more ammunition, caused a rift in the support and could likely bring a fine that could feed half of the East End. Job well done.

If you want to oppose a piece of legislation you need to do a lot more than what happened on Tuesday, a lot more (if you can really be bothered that is)!

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29 Nov 2013 11:39:56
My opinion on the whole GB situation is yet again, when Celtic have poorly performed on the pitch, Peter Lawwell has used them as a scapegoat. Deflect the attention away from what's happening on the pitch. If Celtic had won on Tuesday night, and remained challenging for a spot in the Last 16 (or even Europa League) then the banner wouldn't have even been mentioned. It seems to me it depends where you read people's reviews, but our support has became divided down the middle over the issue when we should be united in combatting the penny pinching and "Profit/Loss sheet mentality" that's going on at Celtic.

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You having a laugh mate? why would it not have been mentioned? the papers loving it we get fined AGAIN, who pays for that? have a word with yourself

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Your f**ked in the head if you think thier would be nothing mentioned about the banner! You clearly don't know the club because we have won games and still from fireworks flakes singing and banner have all been mentioned as toward that stuff out. How many times have we had a great game only for it to be over shadowed by dumb people doing the stuff I have mentioned? A lot, go have a lisen to Lennon's past press conferences where he states that he can't believe they are talk about this stupid acts over what was a great game.

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And Lennon has no place to talk about off the field issues. I'm 100% behind Lennon, but the bottom line is he is the manager of a football team, ie the XI players on the pitch, and that's what he should be focussed on. Especially when the team don't seem to be up to scratch. If the team were exceeding expectations then his tuppance worth wouldn't upset me as right now, the mess that team is in!

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Wow you dO have head problems eh lol. Lennon gets asked questions and he answers them, is a travailing or home support not football matters? Is it not football matter if a flair gets tossed on field or in stands causing a stop in play? Does it not affect football matters when a group of supporters taint the name of the FOOTBALL club and even the game of the players playing coaches coaching?

You can't seem to tell the difference between football matters and politics. Football club, stadium and fans(they are in the stadium) are all football matters. Ppls opinions and banners are not football matters, so why bring it into a stadium where football is played to tell your opinions? Maybe go study a wee bit or get an understanding cause you make yourself look foolish. For what manger dozen talk about fans eh? The gb used nl face for and relate to him but he is not allowed to talk about them? Off field issues are not really off field issues if it affects the game, do you think he can't hear the songs or see the banners like everyone else? He has his opinions and can say them like anyone else and after supporting the gb for the good they do he knows the bad out ways the good and can talk if it is his club getting fined. But once again he gets ask questions and answers them and knows what to stay away from if it is not his issue or does not know anything about the topic

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RE HamiltonBhoy you really have to make your mind up who is to blame for the mess the the team is in (your words).For weeks its been the boards fault now its lennons.I fear for the future of celtic when we have fans such as yourself who can't or won't say anything positive about anything celtic .
All I read from you is continuous moaning and throwing the toys out of the pram when nobody agrees with any of your posts.If you had to watch celtic during the fifties and most of the sixties as I did then perhaps you would have something to moan about, time for you to grow up.jimbhoy.

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No, the fans are not Lennon's job. He's paid to manage a football team. Maybe he should start studying tactics, substitutions, a plan B, transfer targets before targeting fans. Tell me when has a flare been thrown on the pitch or play held up for what's happening in the stands? It must've been terrible watching Celtic win the European Cup and do 9IAR in the 60s JimBhoy, I really feel your pain!

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HamiltonBhoy if you take the time to read my post properly you will notice that I said the fifties and MOST of the sixties.You really have no idea what pain it was watching celtic in the years I mentioned.Celtic won 4 of their nine titles in the sixties the other five in the seventies, if you don't believe me check the record books, and as a celtic fan you should have known this.Jimbhoy.

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@6 Hamiltonbhoy if Celtic are as bad as you are making out, why go to the game's, you are obviously one of the GB, is that why you go to parkhead?, I don't remember you ever writing anything good about CELTIC but I do hear your rant's about them. Why don't you just stay in the house and leave the real Celtic supporter's to SUPPORT the team
Tambhoy

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29 Nov 2013 11:00:25
Hi Ed just about the gb I am a big fan for them boys the dedication they have every single week but they need to stop shooting themselfs in the foot with these banners and other stuff hope they get it sorted because they are amazing paradise wouldn't be the same without them seamycelt

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29 Nov 2013 10:16:25
Bhoys and ghirls, politics have no place at a football ground end of! For gods sake we are a Scottish club with deep Irish roots that said using the stands to voice and display opinions on terrorist or freedom fighter is taking us back 30 years when we should be looking forward, I like the green brigade I think they have great ability to lift the stadium, team and supporters and light up a drab league however I believe they have gone too far on this occasion I always thought we were above the dregs of sevco and the sectarian bile they spout but the recent actions of our gb have started raising questions by the football world instead of concentrating on the actual game on the pitch and by god we need too.

Chalky bhoy

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Well said Chalky, totally agree, we need to concentrate on what's happening on the pitch. Do not want any association to the doon the road. Hail Hail
TamTimTic

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I couldn't agree more. I've said many times I love the noise that is created by the green brigade but when are they going to realise that all they are doing is getting our(not just their) club into trouble. If they can't behave then they have to be banned. We don't want our name tarnished like other clubs!

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Well said spot on they are great for the atmosphere, but they have to draw the line, they may have a point in what they are saying but a football ground ain't the place for it .

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29 Nov 2013 07:18:35
Getting away from the side show (which I'm sure after a victory in Europe would never have been mentioned ) thing need freshened up on the pitch .
Lawwell and board have to back manager in the next couple of windows also manager must see some of the 'big players ' are not cutting it .NL who I've back from start and who has to be given credit for the progress that has been made need to step it up to the next level .
That level is to have a team confident of reaching the final 16 in CL on a regular bases and to be honest the team from last year was maybe 2 players away from that goal. The decision of 3 top players to move on, no amount of contract negotiations would have changed that, left a large void to be filled in a time scale that was just not big enough.

Hopefully next window this will happen and in the mean time give extended runs to the fringe players and recent investments and we how things run.

For the financial restrains placed on management the team is not too far away from getting to that next level. I just think that NL could be a bit bolder with some of his selections . TTTS

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TTTS Got to disagree with you that if we had won nothing would have been mentioned, we will probably be heavily fined for the banner waving, will agree with the rest of your post mate
Tambhoy

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29 Nov 2013 04:14:18
Unless they agree to play by the rules then I would have to say ban them. If the club are seen to support this type of behaviour, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the subject matter, then we will suffer.

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29 Nov 2013 03:05:47
Does anyone else think Peter Lawwell has double standards and downright cheek? he's a hypocrite, telling us fans to keep politics from our football, what about his rory bremner/tony blair "joke" as far as i'm concerned that's quite a political slanted joke, why didn't he say mac floyd pretend to be pink floyd or something else? he's a typical treble-chinned fatcat, ., .kbarry

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Your a joke! He said something in the moment, get over yourself. He didn't have time to think or plan out a plan, unlike gb where they planned what they did for a long time knowing it would get the club in trouble and cause a problem. Thier is a big difference but your small minded gb thinking stops you for seeing that.

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Maybe its just me but the Rory thing was a throw-away joke and anyone offended by it, IMO, should get a life. Displaying banners when they know the consequences to the club will be financial and it's reputation is entirely another matter. The rules are there and they broke them knowingly. I don't want to get into the rights or wrongs of what either side in the 'troubles' did but to blatantly hurt the club they support (and Ibelieve most of them do) is just not acceptable.

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This has to be a joke

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I don't really know what to say to this! Is there a brain in your head kbarry?

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Kbarry. for someone who has been to 600 games (your figure, not mine)you should have significantly more knowledge about the cultural, political and economic factors surrounding Celtic than you appear to have. You make some very bizarre and narrow minded statements on a regular basis and your attitude appears to be one of aggression and contempt towards anything or anyone that disagrees with you.
We all have our own issues with how our club is being run at the moment but most right thinking people prefer to be concerned with results and performances. You, on the other hand, seem happiest when you are getting yourself embroiled in stuff that has little or nothing to do with football.
Maybe your 600 appearances at Celtic Park have nothing really to do with football though. Maybe you are just one of the small group of persons who get involved with our glorious club for other reasons.
And besides, the other residents of the People's Republic of Cork (your name for where you live, not mine) wouldn't be proud of you and your behaviour at all.
Here's a consideration for your New Year's Resolution: keep your comments about football and the team's results and performances and forget about the rest of the tripe that you spout.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Chrissy bhoy while not agreeing with kbarry he has as much right to talk rubbish on here as anyone else. deep river bhoy

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ChrisBhoy, you're stepping on Dangerous ground there kid, I'm from the Peoples Republic of Cork too, Ed007's father is from there aswell. Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry!! {Ed007's Note - Yeah leave Cork out of it, it's a beautiful part of the world (apart from the black pudding), and without being pedantic ChrisBhoy, calling it the People's Republic of Cork is not something KB made up, it is actually a very popular (some would even say) satirical name for the area and used everyday in normal conversation.

www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/

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Deepy rivery bhoy. the problem is he ONLY talks rubbish. Occasional pieces of intelligence would make the nonsense acceptable. Thanks for your unnecessary reply anyway.

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ChrisBhoy

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GB are now finished, P Lawell will have this section closed asap.do I agree? unfortunately yes.
although I agree with most of the GB politics/banners I do not think their demonstrations at Celtic Park on a match day can be allowed to continue.
Over forty thousand Celtic supporters want to get behind the team on match days, not get involved in political rallies.
Be political by all means but not in name of CFC.

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Jaysus Ed, you need professional help to get over that black pudding, tis lovely, just give it a chance!, I won't mention the beach and your frozen nads in the height of summer, oh Sh*t I just did! {Ed007's Note - That summer will haunt me till the day I die!}

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@7.
badbhoy, settle down chum. Where in my post did I say anything negative about Cork? If you take the time to get off your high horse and read it correctly you will see that I was pointing out to kbarry that the decent folk of the area would be embarrassed to be represented by his nonsense.
Keep your anger to yourself, there's a good boy. It ain't pretty.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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ChrisBhoy,

Relax those Kacks of yours I was taking the proverbial p*ss.

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Chrissy bhoy what a clown you are you criticise kb for his anger . and contempt of others opinions .but can't have a civil dicussion yourself . deep river bhoy

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Deepy rivery bhoy
How is it possible to have a civilised conversation with someone who can't do the same in return? That just might include you too, who knows?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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@chrisbhoy what a clown you are, you come on here and spout double drivel, about you being a business man, donating £20k to celtic, having a season ticket for years but only attending 60 games. I only asked what age bracket your in, and then you got the hump the petted lip, yeah I do like to banter and noise it up a little(as does Ed(his words) you then came back at me with "i don't need to explain to you" or words to that effect, I then said I was a bit suss on your claims. Now your copy-catting and saying iam the suss one. Iam 36 been going to paradise(including boat trips) since I was 4/5 years old week in week out, (hence at least 600 cp games) I now go with my own bhoys, my bros and their bhoys. Its actually only now that i'm getting a little fed up with it, but can't 'see me stopping anytime soon, ., .kbarry

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FFS kbarry, there you go again. Always reacting like a scalded cat when someone tells you the truth about yourself. Grow up and stop acting like a feckin 10 year old. You continually talk pish and think that your opinion is the only one that matters. Have a bit of pride and self respect and stop being a tosser. I wish l had your time to go to 600 games. I have a career to focus on but it doesn't mean lm any less a fan than you and your 600 games. Now feck off and go and annoy someone else.

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ChrisBhoy

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Actually that was harsh of me kbarry. I take it back. Everyone has their own way of thinking.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Chrisbhoy stop digging! You're half way to Australia

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Yes badbhoy
I was passing the Peoples Republic of Cork on my way and saw you loitering on the street corner. You're a right ugly bugger, aren't you? lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Must have been my sister, told her numerous times about waxing the upper lip

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28 Nov 2013 23:14:55
can someone tell me the differnce between the gb banners and poppy propaganda there both political there both in support in what they see as freedome fighters william wallace loved all throughout scotland and has a monument loved all throughout ireland both will never be forgoten for what they done for there countrys so they who say the gb are wrong should take a good look at themselves
Paul {Ed007's Note - That is a can of worms that will (or should) be opened up by all this. It has been reported about CFC's banner:

The banner breached UEFA rules governing the use of ‘gestures, words, objects or any other means that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature’.

I think the recent jingoistic Nuremberg-esque rally held at Ibrox could fall under the same scrutiny. UEFA and FIFA have been informed of the comparison and subsequent rule breaking.
All political views aside, as a human being and as a Christian I would defend anyone's right to celebrate someone's life, but I will also defend my own right to find it deplorable that it seems ok to mock someone's death, it's even worse when it is the same person. I do though still maintain that a football stadium is a place for neither.}

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Come on Ed007, surely we're above comparing what goes on at Celtic Park to what goes on at ibrox (too much talk about them on these pages as it is me thinks) {Ed007's Note - Well you are talking about them as well aren't you? If you can explain the difference quoting me UEFA/FIFA satutes then feel free. Or what difference there is about 'questionable' banners on display in Spain, Italy or even South America. I'm all for the laws being enforced but they must be enforced fairly and justly to all parties. Politics have no place at football, that is my opinion, the rules state the same so why are other clubs all over the world blatantly breaking these rules and going unpunished for it. I think it's a fair enough question to ask, Marky.
It will be interesting to see how many arrests are made around the world this weekend for waving a flag with Che Guevara's image on it.
Thats' s me looking at it from a common sense perspective, the rules are there for everyone to study.}

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Agree with you mate but you were directly comparing us to them. We are a club playing in the champions league, they're a scottish lower division club until they go t1tts up/bust, no comparison. {Ed007's Note - I was only answering Paul as well as I could from what I know about the situation. It was him that (correctly) made the initial comparison.}

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I'm 100% with Ed on this, the GB display being under review by UEFA should now open up the can of worms on the Poppy in British football, which after all, remembers those who gave their life fighting a fascist regime (and hijacked by current political conflicts). UEFA state political, religious, offensive, etc. But what's different from the GB's display to Barcelona fans flying Catalunya flags? Athletic Bilbao flying Euskadi flags? Standard Liege, Sankt Pauli + various other left wing teams flying flags of Ché + Palestine flags? Ajax flying the Israeli flag? I think you get where I'm going.

HamiltonBhoy

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Yeah ok boss no probs (do you never go to sleep) {Ed007's Note - Not while there are evil forces out there who must be stopped.}

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