Celtic Banter Archive November 28 2015

 

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28 Nov 2015 22:12:06
Amid all the debates, should RD be sacked or should we stand by him! Who is to blame is it DD, PL and JP or RD and JC! What players need to do better and which ones are shining! What areas need improving? I just want to say what a fantastic site this is! Keep up the great work Ed007!

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{Ed007's Note - Thanks very much mate, that's appreciated.}

28 Nov 2015 22:52:56
Might be the only post where no one will disagree lol.

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28 Nov 2015 23:25:55
Just after watching a film called Iceman, he was a bit more decisive than you.

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28 Nov 2015 23:51:09
There's people on here who blame the board, who blame Lawwell, who blame Desmond, but they never blame Ronnie, Ronnie is untouchable, he is always the good guy, to some people, in their eyes, he can do no wrong, his hands are tied behind his back, he has players forced on him, now you might think I am totaly anti Ronnie, but I am not, But if all these apoligists keep standing up for him, he is never going to learn from his mistakes, he will continue to play Armstrong out of position, he will continue to ignore Allan when the team is crying out for a creative player, he will continue to play Johansenn, when he is injured, out of form, he wil continue to rest Tierney, because he is a young growing bhoy and can't be played to often, abd there is Effe, who I think is a really good footballer, but he is not a defender, i think there is a place or him in the team, but not in defence.

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29 Nov 2015 09:19:50
Aindoh no matter what happens Ronnie is never going to change his philosophy of attacking football. He has no intention of closing down a game when he goes 2 goals up in order to win. He is not a winner who will find ways to win against better opposition. He is a purist and will never change. That does not make a good manager but many on here think that it does. How will we ever progress when TD and Collins come out and say we will never change? It's now becoming pure arragance. They talk about the players learning from their mistakes but I never hear RD and Collins saying that they will learn from their own mistakes that have been plenty. He is fortunate that as we have better players and bigger budgets we have no competition in Scotland or he wouldn't still be in charge. So he is never going to change. I wish he would as there is a manager in there but he has painted himself into a corner and he just won't admit it.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry to intrude, but you said a purist that will never change does not make a good manager. Does that mean you don't think Pep Guardiola is a good manager?}

29 Nov 2015 09:57:11
Ed Pep Guadiola knows how to win. Read it again Ed. if you know how to win whilst being a purist then why change. That's perfect. If you can't work out how to win like Ronnie, but insist on doing the same thing whilst expecting a different result its pure madness. 10 games in Europe 0 wins yet Collins says we will never change!

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{Ed001's Note - wasn't he winning before arriving at Celtic, isn't he winning the league with Celtic? I am not sure it is me that needs to read it again, I think it is you that needs to rethink. Brian Clough was a purist who refused to compromise his ideals. Was he a bad manager? Leeds United fans would certainly say he was, but that does not mean it is true.}

29 Nov 2015 10:53:57
Ed before Celtic he won 1 league title and 1 cup in 10 years. Not exactly pulling up trees. Regardless of what he has or has not done winning the SPL is a given. Do you think he would still be in the job if he failed to win the SPL? Of course he wouldn't. So how do you judge him? In Europe where he has competition he has no wins out of his last 10 games. He has amassed 2 points from 5 games in EL. But he won't change how he plays. So more of the same next year I fear.

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{Ed001's Note - I fully understand what you are saying, all I am saying is that it doesn't necessarily make him a bad manager, even if he is not right for Celtic.}

29 Nov 2015 11:46:22
Ed I agree totally with that statement. He is an inexperienced manager and the Celtic job came too early. If he could get a coaching job under one of the experiance Managers he could be great. He has never worked under a successful manager so he is still learning. I know that Celtic fans me included have unrealistic expectations at times but results talk. The club is a mess top to bottom. The player recruit policy is awful. The selling of players gives us little chance of building anything. Then we add a manager who has no idea about what fans expect or playing at a higher level unrealistically or not. PL works to a different agenda and frightens us into submission by quoting Rangers. He thinks his job is to make money regardless of the product on the park. He knows it's a short term strategy but he can walk away in a couple of years when his strategy begins to unravel and it will. But look at Ronnies European record. It's as poor as any previous Celtic manager.

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{Ed001's Note - the problem is definitely above Deila, he may not be the right man either, but you will never know under this board, no one could really succeed long term.}

29 Nov 2015 12:54:06
Ed, no one can argue with that statement, you are right. I believe RD is another product of the cost cutting mentality from PL and in the medium to short term the entire strategy is costing millions. Gates are dropping, no CL revenue but we keep £10 mill a season coming in from sales then chuck £5 mill away on poor transfers in. It's too cosy for PL, DD and Parks. We need a new CEO who is more skilled than PL. now we pay enough to attract that person. There in lies the problem.

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{Ed001's Note - it is a shame, as they seem to have forgotten the primary reason for a football club is putting the best product on the pitch, rather than running it to make money.}

28 Nov 2015 19:56:24
This is starting to p*** me off we lost to previous champions league WINNERS ajax on thursday and our fans and the media say sack deila! On other hand the zombies have lost to hibs st johnstone and drew with the mighty livi and hardly a word said now this idiot from greyskull thinks a cup for part time teams should have its final played at hampden this clown really needs his head looked at! Anyway my point is we should all get behind ronny things will get better when his ideas are implemented from top to bottom bcoz everyone elses wantsto slate him unfairly imo!

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28 Nov 2015 20:19:53
Well said Stef88. Could not agree more.

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28 Nov 2015 20:30:06
What a ridiculous post. What has the performances of a team from Scotlands 2nd tier got to do with us?

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28 Nov 2015 20:33:49
Steff out of last 10 European games we have won exactly none. In Ronnie we are deceived!

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28 Nov 2015 20:48:41
How is it ridiculous this team get an easy ride off media every time while ours is slated and as for the ten games without a win did we all call for mon to get sacked when he couldnae win away from home in fact tell me how many away points did he win in europe? Short memories n aw that rd was slated for losing to molde mon lost to rosenborg wgs lost to aalborg it takes time for new ideas n new methods ffs this man won a double n yet we want him sacked.

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28 Nov 2015 20:57:33
I will tell you what bothers me, a manager who is incompetent, can't win a game at home in the second tier of European football, can't set a team up, can't coach them to defend a lead, can't deviate from his rigid system, can't make game changing substitutions, all in all a hopeless manager with no track record. I have no idea what posters like you think is happening behind the scenes that will lead to this football nirvana. I can only judge what I see on the pitch and it is poor. By the way MON was incomparable to Delia especially when he regularly beat the best in Europe at Celtic Park.

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{Ed007's Note - It's just a pity that a lot of MON's results were in the second tier of European football eh?}

28 Nov 2015 20:59:59
Another thing about my ridiculous post about that team from govan gonnae tell me why we can't fill our stadium now we have no team from govan to play against? We have resorted to silly banners across empty seats which never happened when they were in league.

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{Ed007's Note - That'll be the 'Old Firm' & CL fans staying away, we're better off without them anyway but just watch them all clamouring for tickets like parasites if we get TRIFC in the cup.}

28 Nov 2015 21:16:19
Yeah ok ed but ronny deilas never lost a league championship whilst being 1 nil up at fir park wae five minutes tae go eh?

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{Ed007's Note - You can go back and look at every manager in recent times and the hypocritical attitude towards RD is glaringly obvious. If only he had changed his name to Ronny O'Deila who knows what level of support he's get - we might even have got a candlelight vigil outside the stadium! (puke)

28 Nov 2015 21:22:38
Tell me another thing grout64 how many times were we past group stages of champions league when mon was beating the best in europe?

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28 Nov 2015 21:45:41
Steff RD won a double! Who is there to play against? Also he won that double with the team left behind by NL. Ronnie won the league in Norway after 6 years. He had won 1 yes 1 league title before coming to Celtic. Why do you regard him as this great manager. He has achieved f**k all.

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{Ed007's Note - So that's even more RD has that NL didn't when he came, add managerial experience and winning trophies to the list of winning more trophies and having a better European record than him at the same stage of the their tenure.
Thankfully we didn't need to wait as long as we did under NL to win trophies, qualify for Europe and get European football after Christmas. (phew)
Dress it up how you like but when you compare the timescale and the successes RD is well ahead of NL, it's there in black and white.
He's achieved more than NL did in his first 18 months.}

28 Nov 2015 21:48:31
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{Ed007's Note - The best way for your post not to get posted is saying 'I bet this won't get posted'. You win!}

28 Nov 2015 22:20:26
Just because the media are running their usual campaign of anti celtic drivel and pro sevco propaganda does not mean we should go the opposite way and just support Ronni for the hell of it. Most good Celtic fans want Ronni doing great things. But its getting harder to watch week in week out. I admire your support for him but i think your blinded by your hate of the media and others. The product is poor and getting poorer. Where is it that you see a glimmer of hope with this coaching staff. Its just not there. Fans shouldn't be slated for not going to games when the product they are paying for is so bad. Every pennies a prisoner in these times and squandering it watching that crap instead of something really important makes zero sense. It hasn't worked out this time, so its time for a lot of folk to stop with the "lets stand by him" nonsense with blinkers on, because this could drag on and on and sink our club further down. Time for wholesale change at celtic. And to say the league cup counts as part of a "Double" is really desperate by the way. The Double is the national leage and national cup. nothing else.

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28 Nov 2015 22:42:45
I mean there has been a lot to choose from, if I was wanting to choose a ridiculous post on here, but to bring up Ajax as being previous CL winners, as being any way relevant to Celtic getting beat, , must be in running for the most ridiculous,

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28 Nov 2015 22:52:49
Were have had this debate before Ed RD inherited a team that win the league three years in a row, in my view he still had a good group of players at his disposal. NL on the other hand inherited a complete shambles and had to completely rebuild the team. Add in he was competing against the financially doped rangers and it is clear his challenge was car greater than RD, s. He was simply a better manager. In relation to MON I think he was fantastic. Oh and by the way because I think both MON and NL were far superior to RD it has nothing whatsoever to do with their nationality they were just better.

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28 Nov 2015 23:57:13
Your right Aindoh, Dundee Utd were European Cup semi finalists in the 80's does this mean its ok to lose to them in 2015. Mind you Malmo got to a European cup final in 1979 I think it was ,so it must be ok to lose to them in 2015

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29 Nov 2015 09:15:12
My point wasnt looking for excuses it was the fact that this season celtic have lost to teams with a half decent pedigree compared to the teams the hats lost and drawn with yet there is no calls on media to have him sacked! Your point about malmo n dundee utd makes me think bcoz we won in 67 why we still going on about it then it doesn't affect 2015 as your point suggests.

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29 Nov 2015 09:47:47
Steff88! Half decent pedigree! One word for u mate and that's molde! Half decent pedigree! What a load of pish!

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29 Nov 2015 10:51:24
Molde beat fenerbahce again no mugs and as i have said we couldnae beat rosenborg or aalborg among other Scandinavian teams yet did we call for mon n wgs to be sacked fs we top of the league n we say oh that's bcoz there no rangers well that's no ronnys fault n its no his fault scottish footballs crap think fans should remember we no the club some like to think we aren't a superpower we have a pitiful amount of money in our game so maybe we should stop moaning and just enjoy the titles we are winning.

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29 Nov 2015 12:08:30
Rosenberg around that time were a very decent side regularly getting to last 16 CL and even made last 8 one season around that time, even remember Harald Brattback scoring twice when Rosenberg pumped Real Madrid . And by the way we did beat them in the home game.

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29 Nov 2015 12:25:14
I for one will not be clamouring for tickets if we ever draw or even play that lot across the road. No time for them as a team (still enjoy the mess they keep making of it though)

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28 Nov 2015 19:05:19
Do I remember correctly Ed that we nearly signed Vardy a couple a years ago but we wouldn't paY the fee?

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{Ed007's Note - Yep.}

29 Nov 2015 10:02:19
Yeah wouldn't pay 1 million for a "non league player" I believe was the excuse at the time.

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28 Nov 2015 18:53:06
Do I remember correctly Ed that we nearly signed Vardy a couple a years ago but we wouldn't paY the fee?

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{Ed007's Note - Yep.}

28 Nov 2015 18:58:01
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Another Ten Things...

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28 Nov 2015 15:24:04
Having a rare afternoon to myself watching the racing and the football (Mrs T out with her cronies and the girls on the town at a Christmas do, in November groan)
So after all the doom and gloom this week, let's lighten the mood, just saw the new Warburton's advert featuring the muppets, hopefully Billy No'Well has his Christmas single planned out lol.

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28 Nov 2015 12:35:27
I'm looking for a bit of clarity on the subject of the living wage. My old man is flipping his lid about the headline I'm sure you've all seen by now. He's under the impression that Celtic are paying the current living wage at the moment but haven't signed up to an agreement that if the minimum living wage increases, they will adjust their wages accordingly. I'm not very clued up on it myself so what's the script? Everybody seems to be pointing the finger and saying we're not paying it.

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{Ed007's Note - The Living Wage has went up this month from £7.85 to £8.25 and CFC haven't raised it yet, that's their prerogative as they aren't accredited (signed up to the scheme) payers, TRIFC have started paying it at the new rate but they also aren't accredited. CFC have been paying the £7.85 since last year but worryingly they cut hours and made redundancies to cover the extra cost.}

28 Nov 2015 13:35:11
I'd assume the finest of wagyu steaks are still being served at the top table. The jobs and hrs could have being maintained had these guys had an ounce of decency. Their dividends on there preferred shares would I'm sure have went along way.

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28 Nov 2015 13:42:19
The whole thing is a joke. I mean what even is it? It's not mandatory so to be fair CFC don't have to budge.

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28 Nov 2015 14:59:52
Not mandatory isn't the issue, the issue is how important that extra few pence per hr means to those in the lower paid jobs in society. The difference of having the dignity to be able to feed and support your family by putting in a shift or queueing at a foodbank as well as putting in a shift.
Thatcherism has ruined a generation. It has bred a society that doesn't give a #uck.

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28 Nov 2015 18:44:01
@ttts. Well said mate. A little bit of common decency and such a small sum that they wouldn't even notice it would make a huge difference to the people on the basic wages.

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28 Nov 2015 18:25:45
TTTS, whilst i agree with much of what you're saying, there is a thing called minimum wage, and i know people who get that or just more than it who manage to feed their families. Fact of the matter is there are thousands of companies who don't pay this living wage BS. Any headlines are just yet another attemp by individuals to tarnish CFC.

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28 Nov 2015 19:16:15
They shouldn't be in a position to be tarnished JimTim.
The fact they are, they deserve all the flack they are getting. Disappointing.

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28 Nov 2015 21:55:33
The Living Wage isn't important compared to many other issues. The amount of funds available to buy and pay wages for first team players.

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28 Nov 2015 22:23:24
Which has been cut to shreds also by the way old bhoy.

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29 Nov 2015 14:09:41
Don't usually like The Guardian's McKenna, but his post on the living wage seemed definitive to me. Shame it put the team in the news for the wrong reason, but their stance here is a mockery of our heritage, and a slap in the face to many who make game day happen in the first place.

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28 Nov 2015 11:55:16
Just read the Collins interview and on the back of delia's interview after the match the only word that comes to mind is deluded both of these guys are not prepared to take any responsibility for the dross that we are having to watch, game after game, after game, I watch a few games from this week, ghenk, Astana, psv, teams that if you judge purely on finances should be on a par with, but if you judge it on the players these clubs have and the way they play we are light years behind them and that is solely down to the scouting team and the management team those teams spend even less than we do on players but obviously there recruiting is of a much higher calibre, or their coaching is you just can not escape this fact, finally on what basis does anyone believe that Ronny deila is the man to lead another attempt on Europe in a little over 6month's time, I just fail to understand what they have seen in the last 2campaigns that would even hint that he could succeed and before anyone says WHO would take the job make know mistake if lawwell were to advertise the job the applications list would be as long as your arm and of a high standard just as long as lawwell doesn't put in preconditions I. e. I'll pick your assistant your defensive coach ext. lawwell and the board are trying to downsize celtic and celtic fans expectations because it makes their job so much easier no Europe to worry about no need to make an effort to find good players, good manager just win a 1 horse race and the money's in the bank, happy days, why take any form of a gamble or actually, God forbid, put yourselves out, nah downsizing the way to go.

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28 Nov 2015 13:53:04
Here's a basis I think people need to start getting into their thick skulls.

The clubs you mention, and many others have produced their own good players for decades. Celtic have been lightyears behind and have produced nowt.

Ronnie DEILA has as good a track record as anybody we could, or would, afford of helping producing good young players.

KT has looked our best player of late. Because he's young. He's of an age where now he can play, he is learning HOW to play. The process of education takes more than a year and a half to see the benefits.

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28 Nov 2015 13:55:16
That is a top rate post and eloquently put.

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28 Nov 2015 16:30:05
Ok Jim Tim tell me some names of players at Ghent, PSV and Astra that those teams have produced who are playing for them? So please don't just make comments to try and back up an argument. You have no idea if these teams do or don't produce players. Next point. Ronnie Delia was at His previous club for 6 years before he won the league. He didn't dominate Norweigan football he won the league once in 6 years. So where is this guys fantastic track record. He has won 1 cup and 1 league title in 10 years before he came to Celtic. So there is no basis to say this guy can do anything extraordinary. Following him is just about blind faith. He has an ordinary CV. He ain't some visionary manager. If he went and worked under a top manager he would I am sure learn a lot and maybe come back as a good manager but right now he had too much to learn. Qualify for CL next year? Give me a break. Bottom of EL group. That says it all. You can't get any lower than bottom. 2 points out of 15? Please stop trying to make a case for him. There isn't one based on what he has done here in 20 months. So as I said it's just about blind faith if you think he can make us into a decent side.

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28 Nov 2015 17:39:09
Delia can be credited with developing Johansson, Tierney and Martin Odegaard. Good record for his coaching talents. There may be a case for keeping him as a coach and bringing in an older head to actually lead/manage tactics but would be a hell of a dynamic to manage with players who I already suspect don't have a lot of respect for him. This older head still escapes me as RD would probably have a huge dent in pride/CV. Question would also be raised about if someone so good comes in would keeping RD seem justifiable. How much of a gamble would it be, even with full board support to give him another year? Too much on what I've seen. One thing for sure for me is I have no scooby what John Collins does/is even there for.

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28 Nov 2015 18:02:29
I may be wrong but I think I read somewhere that Deila was being lined up to replace Mjallby as Lennons no2?
I don't know when this was to happen, but he 'won a watch' when NL resigned and possibly the board installed their own assistants as a precaution and - God forbid - Collins would potentially be promoted as the next Celtic manager!
Now that's a nightmare scenario.

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28 Nov 2015 18:06:26
I think we are where we are and we can continue on the basis that sticking with the Scottish born youth augmented with good players from overseas that want to play for us . Or we can tear it all up and go for a super coach who is just waiting to take over Celtic sign super stars and have us competing at the business end of Champions League every year .
I hope Deila stays/kept and he is able to move Stokes Commons, Mulgrew and Derk ASAP we don't need many new players in, but those who come need to play a major role . I think the time is ripe from now until the end of the season to bring in four or five youngsters into team and give them a wee run .

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28 Nov 2015 18:55:37
OldBhoy what 5 youngsters do you think he should bring in or are you suggesting any 5 that are just kicking about? OldBhoy all of the decent youngsters are out on loan. So much for Ronny developing his own. Do what 5 do you want in the team?

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{Ed007's Note - So Alex Ferguson didn't bring through Beckham because he spent some time out on loan at Preston North End? What an odd outlook.}

28 Nov 2015 18:33:48
Aye, reckon I agree. Might sound like I'm contradicting myself but as untenable as things may be for Delia having another pop-I don't see any other alternative. We are not going to get anything like a Moyes, Sherwood or even Howe. The DoF thing is something that I wouldn't even be able to comment on in an informed manner of any kind. Big thing I agree fully on is putting the likes of Nesbitt and Tierney on as much as possible for the remainder of the season. Even at the expense of a treble. I think I'd find more solace in a bunch of kids getting blooded and showing if there is a case for them coming through than getting the treble.

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28 Nov 2015 18:39:19
I think we can do both. Stick with the aim of bringing in the best young talent in Scotland and get a better manager who will make them better players. RD has had his chance and failed 18 months with no progress, he is a flop.

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28 Nov 2015 18:52:28
johnnymac i think you should do some research into Ronny before spouting off about him stromsgodset were a perennial relegation candidates and them winning the league was akin to say st. mirren or kilmarnock winning the spl also more importantly for our board was his record in player development now i don't have the actual figures but i know international players coming out of that team went from next to none to dozen's while Ronny was in charge there ED007 may have better info on that.

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{Ed007's Note - Between 2001-2007 not ONE single Stromsgodset player earned a youth cap (including under 21s) for Norway. However, in just 5 years under Deila, the figure reached 179, that's works out at an average of 36 per season.

28 Nov 2015 19:28:23
Thanks ed knew u would have had those figures for me that is showing as a huge success bringing those players through and i bet that's what our board are wanting from deila lots of international youth's to sell on for profit but also the players he brought through helped win the league for a club that were not expected to.

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28 Nov 2015 20:00:52
how many of the 179 went on to full caps and how many are still full caps.

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{Ed007's Note - 179.}

28 Nov 2015 09:57:54
Ed, you're a reasonable fella with a good insight. After all this disappointment among the fans and frustration with the first team and the management/coaching staff. What's your own honest opinion on the RD/JC/JK trio? Do you think they should go? And if so who would you bring in?

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{Ed007's Note - I think Peter Lawwell, John Park and John Collins should leave and take a lot of the support with them. Then I'd bring back real supporters that aren't living in some form of fake entitlement. We got beat by Ajax, RD isn't the first CFC manager to have a poor season in Europe and the way things are going he won't be the last.
For years I took pelgers on here for saying the MINIMUM we should be expecting was 3rd in our CL group and drop down into the EL and that was when we had players like Wanyama, Hooper and people on here backed the manager. Now we have players like KT, Rogic, players from Dundee Utd and the Scottish second division and people are using poor European performances to slaughter the manager.
For one reason or another there has been elements in our support who wanted RD to fail from day one and I don't doubt they actually take pleasure from seeing us struggle as you can see from how quickly they're on here to let us know how they feel, finally a lot of CFC supporters are agreeing with the SMSM and jioning the witch hunt against our manager, perhaps if RD was Celtic minded the fans would have closed ranks to protect him, we usualy look after our own when the press atack them.
Look back to October 2011 when we were 3-0 down at half-time to Kilmarnock and see what was said on here about Neil Lennon, a manager the club trusted that much they tried to bring in Stuart Baxter or WGS as an 'advisor', and when that didn't happen John Park stepped up - the rest as they say is history.
Not one single person has put forward a name that would realistically even take the job never mind be an improvement.}

28 Nov 2015 12:13:42
I don't agree with your assessment about managers not wanting to manage the club. When the job becomes vacant and I hope it does soon we will be inundated.

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{Ed007's Note - Like the last time when Lawwell couldn't talk Larsson into taking it? You're kidding yourself on mate, no experienced manager worth their salt are interested in the job, that was proven by the last two appointments.}

28 Nov 2015 12:13:47
I watched an interview a few years back with Brendan Rogers and he said he would walk over hot Coles to manage Celtic. If we are to change RD who I really like as a person then Brendan I believe would be a realistic option. Hail Hail

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{Ed007's Note - Aw ffs- I give up. Brendan Rodgers?? A guy that never watched any Liverpool youth matches, who his board didn't trust on transfers and wasted umpteen young players careers by messing them about with broken promises. He alienated players, caused friction behind the scenes and should never be allowed to be interviewed live again he put his foot in his mouth that often.
Rodgers also said he would manage Real Madrid or Barca, that shows you how far up his own arse he is.}

28 Nov 2015 13:12:27
Spot on Ed.
Get rid of that lot and give RD a crack along with his own choice of people.
Im one who did not think he was up to the job then kindof changed my opinion when listening to others who made sense. I also let European results get me down and frustrated but, as I have said before, I've been following since 6 years of age and realistically will continue to.
Jeezo, we are top of league and still in the cups so I guess he has this part sorted so can't be all bad.
However, I was strongly against the appointment of JC and that has never changed. Time to clear out and let the manager manage/ Brendan? had a good run and Liverpool were desperate.
The change has to start at the top either in personnel or business plan.

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{Ed007's Note - How many times have we had European football after Christmas since we went to Seville, 5 or 6 off the top of my head if we're lucky and one of them was last season?
Why did people accept finishing fourth in our last CL group stages with one win and 5 defeats out of 6 games, we scored 3 goals and conceded 14 finishing the group stages with 3 points.
And yet people were upset when the manger left - strange that isn't it?}

28 Nov 2015 13:37:57
Your on fire the day Ed lol, Up out the "wrang side" of the bed? Mrs never gave you a cuddle mate? Or you finally fed up with all of us ranting :-) ,

Seriously mate, RD should have got Chris McCart's job at the club for that he would have been outstanding IMO

You cannot argue mate surely from day one he has even LOOKED! out his depth he even admitted as much last year when he said the whole thing was overwhelming!

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not at all surprised that he found it overwhelming but what's the problem with that, how many players have came and felt the same?}

28 Nov 2015 13:49:07
Ed. You said bring back real supporters, surely the fans that go to the matches are the true supporters whatever opinions they hold.
I don't think a supporter should be judged on their opinions, if someone goes to the matches but has a negative opinion of the manager, and puts money into the club, I think they are better fans than people who sit at home praising the manager but put nothing into the club.
You said in your piece that you would like to get rid of Lawwell, Park, and Collins, and I agree with you, but why is it okay to criticise these individuals but not the manager, in my opinion none of them are up to much.
I've never seen what is so special about Ronny, I'm not blaming him for having players sold, and he hasn't been backed in the transfer market, but in my opinion where he has been able to control things, he hasn't done a very good job. His tactics haven't been great in the bigger games, and the fitness of the team, which was supposed to be his speciality, doesn't look any better than any other team. It's nearly always our opponents who come strong late in a game and score late winners. For all our state of the art facilities we have at lennoxtown, even little Kilmarnock looked just as fit as we did last Saturday. If Ronny can't even get the things right that he can control and are supposed to be his strengths, then why should we suppose that he would get other things right, like buying players in the transfer market, he doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence.
I view Ronny as an employee of the club, the same as Lawwell, Park, and Collins, I don't agree that you can be a true supporter if you want these last three to leave the club, but if you suggest Ronny should go then you should never darken Celtic Park's doors again.
As I have said previously, Lawwell and the board appointed Ronny, if they are so bad at their jobs, then how did they get his appointment so right?, isn't it more likely they got this decision wrong as well? .

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28 Nov 2015 14:08:09
"No experienced manager worth their salt are interested in the job, that was proven by the last two appointments". I know you are a fan of RDs philosophy of the game, but do you doubt his ability to install it in his current position. Would a DOF help? .

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{Ed007's Note - I wouldn't mind a DOF coming in, the problem is Park is basically doing that job and he's not very good at it. Do you remember this story?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13162032.Celtic_ponder_hiring_director_of_football_to_aid_manager/

28 Nov 2015 14:40:40
The problem is Ed, you don't expect IT from a manager maybe it relayed onto the pitch mate

I would like RD in the role above but I totally agree with you that they were not lining up for the post in the first place! and I don't think the new Celtic way would be queued out for a replacement if needed, I know your a fan of Keane and if you look at his quotes at the time about how cold PL was about taking the job / no give in the salary / his No.2 being hand picked for him (RD) / and not exactly welcoming more "take it or leave it"

As we established RD was around fifth choice!

A don't know if you know this but DD was at the Ladbrokes AGM this week in London ( so he was clearly around to come to OURS! ) And he tried to block the merger of them and another bookies he did his dinger mate about how the board was under performing / not hitting targets / behind the times, but does nothing for us cannot even be bothered to turn up FFS!

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{Ed007's Note - I seen that about DD and Ladbrokes, it just shows again where his priorities actually lie and as you say his comments are very odd if you take them and apply them to CFC.}

28 Nov 2015 14:46:48
ED007 my position on Deila is crystal clear, I thought at the time, and nothing since has changed my mind, that Ronnie was not the man to take us forward.
But and I want to make this very clear, I DO NOT want to see my club fail just to prove a point. I cannot believe any genuine Celtic fan wants to see us lose games.
I am older than you and have lived through the great times, the not so great times under Barnes and Mowbray for instance, in my eyes Deila is on a par with them, he keeps talking a good game but rarely translates it on the pitch.
Under big Caesar, Martin, Strach and Lenny we had PASSION in the team, how many games did we win in the last 5 minutes, under Ronnie we are LOSING games in last 5 minutes. The same defensive mistakes crop up regularly, where is the evidence he is working to eradicate these. No Ronnie is a limp manager with no passion and the players, or some of them are not playing for him, yes blame these players also, but Delia cannot get the best from our team. He must go now.

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{Ed007's Note - You can't deny there's fans taking pleasure in seeing the team struggle in Europe as it gives them ammunition for their constant attacks on the manager. You know who they are because you don't hear from them when things are going well and the team is winning.}

28 Nov 2015 14:53:35
True supporters are ones who go to the game they are the ones who put money into the team no the ones who sit at home really some fans work certain days and can't get up every week or don't have the money to she'll out to go to games yet still buy club merchandise is that not putting money into the club it's fans that think that they go to games there for their opinion is more valid than others that I can't stand and before you say anything I'm a season ticket holder can't make it every week but give my ticket to others who can

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28 Nov 2015 15:46:34
I remember reading that and (forgive me) retweeting it. Knowing the shower that are in charge they'd have a arry realcrap type character lined up.

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28 Nov 2015 16:41:21
Ed I take no pleasure in seeing Celtic beaten in Europe. The entire philosophy at the club is wrong. The selling strategy means we will always struggle. I would like Lawell to go and Parks. Now I also want Delia to go but that does not mean I take any pleasure in defeats in Europe. The football we play is poor most weeks even in the SPL. I am fed up hearing the same story from Ronnie after every European game and his promises of jam tomorrow is wearing thin. Does that make me less of a Celtic fan? In your opinion maybe but your opinion does not make it true. I have been watching them longer than you and will continue to follow them but the live in with RD is not for me.

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{Ed007's Note - What's the length of time you've watched them got to do with anything, does that give you some kind of kudos in the #celticfamily?}

28 Nov 2015 16:47:26
I actually said people who sit at home and put nothing into the club.
The point I was trying to make (although probably not very well) was that fans have every right to an opinion, and that just because they don't rate Deila as a manager, doesn't make them any less of a supporter than fans who do.
I apologise if I caused any offence.

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28 Nov 2015 16:59:20
Exactly Ed, Delighted that we follow each other's train of thought on DD

I remember NL having a pop at the non investment when he was still playing only to get a verbal backlash from DD

I think the DD no show is a total lack of respect considering it is supposed to be "much more than an investment it's emotional"!

And another thing what happened to the decent signing we used to get tied up Bosman at this time of the year (ish) ? Under RD that has tried up too that is surely a lack of insight / forward planning? Surely JP's "workload" cannot be that big that this channel is ignored mate?

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28 Nov 2015 17:27:24
Ed the point is this. In your book it's ok to critisise Parks, Collins or Lewell and we are still Celtic supporters. But if we critisise RD we want him and the club to fail so we can make a point? You are way off the mark. In my opinion he has done nothing out of the ordinary at Celtic.

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{Ed007's Note - Nah, you've lost me now.}

28 Nov 2015 18:02:15
Sorry gerryc must have picked it up wrong

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28 Nov 2015 18:22:29
Ed I agree with almost everything u posted in your longer post . I believe we are all supporters of Celtic but some of us have different understanding of what supporters should do. On Thursday I wasn't able to attend and had to listen to Sutton .
In the second half when GMS tried to flick ball into space, the groan and roar of hate certainly was a lot different from when Larrson tried and failed to do the same . Opponents now know that if they can keep Celtic scoreless for 10/15 mins the fans will turn against the players . Fortress Celtic Park is gone and not necessary players fault .
We have been in worse positions before, I thought on Thursday night we showed signs that we have the makings of an European team, we have something to build on.

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{Ed007's Note - We need players to cut out stupid mistakes, can you imagine the uproar if Ambrose made the blunder Allan did? That was a prime example of a player not yet up to playing at European level never mind the SPL, it'll take time for him and others to improve. We have players like Mulgrew, Commons, Stokes and Gordon who can't or won't improve but it's obvious that all the players that have bought into RD's ideas have improved, Griffiths, Bitton, Rogic and I don't doubt Allan will in time. Tierney has shown every single young player at CFC that if they work hard enough and do what the manager tells them then they'll improve and get a chance.
People also seem to forget we're playing with a brand new defence that has been chopped and changed because of injuries and loss of form.
Another narrow unlucky defeat by Ajax, caused again by individual errors, and with a makeshift team isn't the end of the world, there was a lot of positives to take from it, Tierney's performance, Simunovic completing 90 mins beside Boyata, McGregor showing that he's still there and can do a good job when needed, even Forrest has found a bit of form although his shooting and crossing are still far too inconsistent and Armstrong gave probably his best performance in the Hoops in a long time.
I just don't see how changing manager at this point in time benefits anyone so let's wait until the summer and see where we are, one thing's for certain though, any manager coming in would face the exact same problems.
The annoying thing is that some supporters would have accepted the same group and the same results as long as it was in their wonderful CL, others see the bigger picture.}

28 Nov 2015 20:51:06
Ed I agree with you about Thursday night, I actually thought given the injuries we did okay against Ajax.
I think though that the future is pretty bleak in the sense that the youngsters you mentioned won't be the future, if they do cut out the mistakes and become good players, they will be sold, their new clubs will benefit from the work that we put into them, then we are back to square one with a different set of youngsters who will be making the same mistakes as the current crop are.
From my point of view, I dislike the Champions league as much as you do, the greed and self interest involved in it is a right turn off, I don't even watch it.
The thing is though, that I can't see how we can break the cycle we are in unless we have the money from the Champions League, I know it sounds hypocritical saying that, but in modern day Football you have a far better chance of bringing in better quality players, or even keeping some of the talented youngsters if you are in the Champions League, whether we like it or not, it's a big attraction for players.
You mention the bigger picture, but the road we are going down just means that we have to sit and watch promising youngsters making all their mistakes playing for us, then when they become good they are sold, and we start the whole cycle again, I just want us to aim a bit higher than that.

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{Ed007's Note - Selling players on is hardly RD's fault is it, Gerry? When has CFC ever splashed the CL money on the squad and what makes anyone think it would be any different? If we had qualified for the CL it would still have been Simunovic, it would still have been Ciftci and it would still have been Scott Allan.
PL and CFC are pi55ing off club's and players all over Europe buy holding talks and stalling on deal when it comes to the crunch, there's players left waiting on phone calls that never come, clubs left hanging after accepting offers etc, it's a joke and the only way out of it is change further up the ladder than than the manager/coach. An ex-player who hasn't long left the club advised a young player against even talking to John Park during the summer, why do you think that was?}

28 Nov 2015 21:20:33
who was the ex player Ed and who was the young player, can you tell us?

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{Ed007's Note - I'd rather not, Jamie but the player left before RD was appointed.}

28 Nov 2015 21:48:05
Fair enough Ed, hope you don't mind me being direct and asking (y)

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{Ed007's Note - Of course not mate.}

28 Nov 2015 21:56:40
I don't blame Deila for having the players sold from under him, but somehow he has to try and get us into the Champions League with the players he has, and from what I've seen from him up till now I'm not convinced by him.
I genuinely hope you are proved right and I am proved wrong, I'm certainly not wanting Celtic to lose matches just so I can come on here to have a go at Ronny, or to say I told you so, Celtic means too much to me for that.
Lawwell, Park, and all the rest of them are dragging the club down, and I wish they could be removed although I haven't a clue how it could be done, but I think Ronny has fallen short in some key areas which are not all down to lack of funds.
When the same mistakes keep happening time after time, you have to wonder if he is capable of correcting them.

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{Ed007's Note - That's why we should wait until the end of the season. Do you think we'd have had a better chance of CL qualification if Simunovic was brought in to play alongside VVD in them? I suspect that RD thinks the same.}

28 Nov 2015 05:37:43
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28 Nov 2015 10:26:39
I see John Collins coming out with his usual standard cliches, "We"ll focus on the positives"! Why? Why not focus on the negatives and do something about it like trying to get the team through 90 mins of football without a major blunder. This guy is a clown who's arrogance beggars belief considering what he's achieved in the game, the sooner he is shown the door the better for all including Ronny Deila.

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28 Nov 2015 18:29:02
Stevie every successful manager/coach publicly talks about working on the positives It is meant to help to create a feel good factor . This is to counteract the negative vibes from the media and some fans.

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28 Nov 2015 20:40:29
At least he won't be talking for long if it's the positives.

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28 Nov 2015 09:20:32
Stil kani belive i'm readn this p1sh on other sites. "progress has been made"? Wer ah fekn boot? We qualified for the las 32 last year n this year we are pit oot oan our arses wifoot ah win! Ayeee JC "progress has been made" wits ronny putting in his roll-ups for him!? . they've jus gta face facts noo!

HH

Chris1888.

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28 Nov 2015 10:31:39
@Chris I agree Collins coming out again saying "he sees an improvement" ye gods WHERE? and playing the "we cannot end up like Sevco card" how many times will they use this, we get the fact we cannot just spend willy nilly but the money we do spend must be spent more wisely.
Also good on wee griffiths apologising but where was the apology from our manager, all we got was a tv interview wher he attacks a woman bt reporter for asking questions all Celtic fans are asking.
Finally I do not often agree with Sutton but his summing up of leaderless on and off the park is correct. Deila is not the man to lead us in europe next season and take Collins with him.

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28 Nov 2015 11:20:10
Agree wif everyfing u said ther tim. tbh i would love to see henrik. sutton. stan and big john take over this coaching team. they would get a lot more fight out the team! . i kno I've mentioned it b4 but i miss seeing ah wee ginger heed jumpin and screamn at his team because ther not doing as ther supposed t be doin. people that know what it takes to be passionate about our club and team! And bring the thunder back instead of witnessing a team playn in europe lyk a wet fart!

HH

Chris1888.

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{Ed007's Note - That sounds like a plan - NOT! What the hell does Sutton and Hartson know about coaching and what if it goes wrong, just sack them one at a time?
Hartson and Sutton probably make more a year in their media work than RD does but it won't be as much as Lawwell makes.}

28 Nov 2015 11:34:34
I cringe when I see and hear Collins on television, but I also worry that the manager and board agree with the nonsense being spouted.
When you take everything into account, we are maintaining our place at the summit of Scottish football - and so we should given the advantages over the rest- but we have went alarmingly backwards in European ranking and to finish bottom of the group is total failure.

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29 Nov 2015 13:11:00
i kno I've mentioned it b4 but i miss seeing ah wee ginger heed jumpin and screamn at his team because ther not doing as ther supposed t be doin. people that know what it takes to be passionate about our club and team! And bring the thunder back instead of witnessing a team playn in europe lyk a wet fart!

That has got to be the most embarrassing and cringeworthy post I've seen. Just face the facts RD has a better record than Lennon did in the same amount of time.

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