Celtic Banter Archive August 28 2014

28 Aug 2014 21:40:40
whats the betting on the hoops getting legia.

28 Aug 2014 22:20:44
Stealy what I am worried about if we draw them (which now looks a cert) is crowd trouble. Their owner has been stirring up things and then tonight Legia fans have unfurled banners about UEFA, it could be a volatile tie, the only person happy will be Lawwel as he will get his 60,000 crowd at Celtic Park in at least one game.

28 Aug 2014 19:45:12
Evening Ed, I've just read big mjallbys thoughts on Celtic going out of the champions league.
It wasn't a great surprise to me either but disappointing none the less (after the anger had faded)
Reading between the lines and his comment "it was an easy decision to leave" which you don't often hear a lot!
It took me back to Dan petrescu saying "he was warned off the job due to problems at the club"?!
And although Larsson never commented the same but had spoken to Lennon and Mjallby, do you think there had been a previous fallout and Lennon was scaremongering or he's telling the truth and there is problems?
We obviously have our opinion on what the current problem is, could it run deeper?

{Ed007's Note - I'd say the current problems are obvious, BBJ, wouldn't you?}

They're all friends and played together, Larsson is always going to respect Lennon and Mjallby's opinion I reckon.

Of course they are Ed, is it something that runs deeper/bigger though? or is it just what we have known for a while (most of us anyway) that the board are penny pinching.
I just got that wee feeling that there's something we don't know!
Hope it's nothing as it's bad enough :)

{Ed007's Note - I'd say all our problems start at boardroom level, if they aren't willing to do what is necessary take the club forward then people who will must be brought in.}

I think you are right Ed in saying all our problems begin in the board room . But how can the changes be bought about to make a difference

{Ed007's Note - Well if you've got the money I've got the contacts ;)

Would £10m be any use .

28 Aug 2014 18:42:44
Not celtic related I know but as the referendum is almost upon us how aboit a poll of who's voting what?

{Ed007's Note - I was going to leave it to nearer the time but we'll get one running. To vote just click here.

That link won't work, my mistake, sorry. Click here to vote.

YES - rid ourselves of Westminster

YES rid ourselves of Boris Johnson being a future PM

YES getting rid of 200 nuclear warhead's and the expensive upkeep of them it's a no brainer really

Yes, because I don't want to enter an illegal war like Iraq again.Yes, because maybe in an independent Scotland the Labour party will remember what they should be standing for, if it happened today the same amount of people would'nt follow Robin Cooks lead, maybe in an independent Scotland it would be different (i hope).

YES because who wants to be ruled by UKIP in government in England after the next General Election in 2015 .?

The Sno Man

29 Aug 2014 04:11:07
No, because all the Orange men said they would leave Scotland and I know where they would head .I'd prefer they stayed with you as we have enough psychos and I believe your psychos are worse than ours .

28 Aug 2014 18:31:35
Hello, sorry for the Candor of this post, this is only my second post, in my first I. Called for a boycott of all things Celtic, ie tickets, merchandise, tv, etc, etc, I said that we should not be governed by profiteering people and that we are Celtic and should be proud and happy to contribute everyday to the welfare of our Club and Culture.The people who today are the Guardians of our Club have no respect for our culture, tradition and Love of our Club, let Mr Desmond and his people take the profits of recent yrs( o Neill and Lennon where both to weak to stand against him) and Go. I am Irish and have seen here recently the the semblance
Of division, ( how can that be) we have stood together through many yrs of troubles and tribulations, our club is at a Crossroads, we must Stand up and take it back, (how I do not know), if we have local players who want to stand up and give all, it is better than 2/3 million pound mercenaries who have nothing to lose( we only have our Pride) sorry for such a negative post (I'm Celtic and I will never Go Away)

For only your second post, you don't beat about the bush . It shouldn't be the responsibility of the football manager to stand up to the largest shareholder, if he does there will be only one winner and it won't be the manager.

But what do you want Malika, do you want the board to buy £5m or £6m mercernaries, who are only here for the money, instead, or do you want them to be frugal with spending and use the money on youth development and community projects, which might mean we'll have a few lean years until a few stars emerge, a bit like DU, and means we'll be out of europe a bit sooner or maybe we'll get manager like Mourinho was at Porto, just guessing, but was a lot of money spent on that squad?

28 Aug 2014 17:48:43
Anyone know what the Tonev situation is? Is he going back?

28 Aug 2014 17:47:05
Wouldn't of minded being in that group had we beaten Maribor would've fancied 3rd at least

And who would we have beaten or even drawn with out of them? Either home or away.

28 Aug 2014 15:55:43
Really hope the fans buy into what delia is trying do do with the club. I like his philosophy and the footballing culture he is trying to install. Its going to take time for the sqaud to adapt amd when he brings i'm more players to fill positions in the formation he wants to play we will kick on. Kinda glad we didny make the champions league although the way we went out was dissapointing I feel a rum in the europa league will be good for the sqaud to prepare for a crack at the champs league next season. I ain't going to go on about lawell and the board. don't know what to make of what's going on upsatirs just here to show my support for delia.

I know what your saying but someone made a point when I was talking to them yesterday. RD is a football philosopher like arsene wenger roberto martinez brendan rodgers etc. These guys all get players pkaying cracking football bit they don't win very much. With the giys we have we need a motivator to gee the lads up because there talent is limited.

28 Aug 2014 13:50:33
Am I the only one who thinks deep down the Scepovic deal will not happen?
Something tells me he won't fancy us without CL to look forward to.

28 Aug 2014 13:06:57
Out of our last 11 managers, 6 have lasted less than one year. Is Ronny going to be number 7?

The others are:
Mowbray
Dalglish
Barnes
Venglos
Jansen
Macari

Have you not just posted below that we shouldn't be dwelling on RD's replacement? I don't think we should be looking at getting rid of ronnie at all. The guy needs time.

I did post that, yes. I was stating a fact here.
I didn't say he should go.
I think he should be given a chance.

I hate sacking managers as it makes us look (even more) ridiculous and with transfer windows it limits opportunities for a new manager to be appointed and get his own team organised etc. So I would stick it out.

I really want Deila to work out even though I know he was the 'economy' brand chosen by Lie-well to save cash. Not to mention he was originally only seen as good enough to be an assistant not long ago.

He seems to have a good philosophy and honesty, but it is obvious the players are taking too long to adapt and in some cases do not seem to have bought into it at all.
I worry about the back room staff too as they are not a 'team' and were flung together more in hope and John Collins has a history of player friction.

The pressure of CL qualification was obviously too much for the manager and players to handle and we were found wanting in ability and tactics anyway so that horse has bolted.
There may be players leaving in the next few days - maybe cash offers or loan opportunities for youngsters?
But I do hope we get some flair and creativity into the club and maybe an experienced stopper to organise that shambles at the back?
That used up my three wishes Genie.

JJ

28 Aug 2014 19:03:47
All this talk about Deila being the cheap option. What does it matter how cheap he is when there's no investment in the squad. Better managers wouldn't even take the job on with that squad of players let alone not succeed at it. I could win the league as Celtic manager this season and I've only got limited football manager 14 experience (usually on a bigger budget) Ronny aside. The squad are lacking big time and I don't think any 'expensive' manager could invigorate enough life or quality into them to being a solid European quality unit. Lennon walked because of the lack of investment Mackay Moyes Keane Coyle couldn't risk the reputation meltdown that it would cause trying to poke and prod that squad.

28 Aug 2014 10:17:52
I do hope it works out for Delia. But I'm just wondering who anyone would take as manager if he doesn't get the time. Don't really think there's much out there at the minute that could cum in without wanting to spend a lot of money because that's wots going to have to happen if delias methods don't pan out. Tony pullis. But he don't play that attractive celtic football that we all like. I don't think it would be easy to get a manager which is why we have ronny. I do hope it works out. He talks a good game just hope he pulls it off.

28 Aug 2014 10:30:47
I think Ronny Deila is a good fit and hope he I given time and more backing from the board. I think Neil Lennon knew exactly what was going to happen with transfers in and out of the club and that he wouldn't be able to strengthen the squad much so he decided to leave. If I had to choose someone else I would probably have to say Steve Clark. He did a very good job at West Brom and has worked under the best in the world.

Guys, let's not dwell on RD's replacement just yet. He's simply a victim of the board's penny pinching approach.
It's like blaming the manager of Accrington Stanley when they get knocked out of the FA Cup by Man City.

28 Aug 2014 11:14:58
Completely agree mate, the board need to come out and explain what's going on. Ronny Deila is a proven coach and manager and I believe he will prove to be a success but he needs to be backed with some quality permanent signings.

28 Aug 2014 12:10:25
Guys RD has made so many U turns since he took the job. He took john Collins on at the request of Lowell and co. So right away he is going to do as he is told. He said that he didn't believe in loan signings. That is all he has made to date. Again that is what the Board have told him to do. He said he would not change his philosophy on attacking football. We get smashed by Warsaw and he says he has learned to compromise. He puts on Betgett in the Warsaw match and the guy had only 1 training session with the team. Thus is a guy he knows nothing about. How is Betgett ever going to understand this high tempo style in 1 training session? He then makes 10 changes for Inverness. The players should have played and he could have tried out his system and reinforced this game. His team selection for Tuesday night was poor. Why Ambrose in midfield? No Commons. Celtic look poor but these are not poor players. They won the league by 29 points. They now look hopeless. They are better than that. It's RD system that is wrong. Watch the Europa league and when we get smashed game after game then tell me if he is the right man for the job.

Proven? Where? NORWAY FFS?

A hate to admit this but Keith Jackson @ the Daily Rag has it spot on the day or he is just reading my posts on here and going to print with them!

How the F**K can we have a quality manager a CL type manager when he is on about 100k less a year than SEVCO's manager in an inferior league who has done NOWT (and btw! that is after HIS 50% wage cut!

He Picked Ambrose in Poland, destroyed Dundee Utd WITHOUT him! Then told US we were waiting on EFE for HIS EXPERIENCE! then played in an alien position, a position he never played in before in a CL game after he got his get out of jail free card and before anybody types this he plays in a BACK 5! for Nigeria not a BACK for 4

Please Please am asking surely to goodness I am not the only one that noticed that RD looked very uncomfortable out there, totally out his depth, as a pointed out he went for broke when he never needed to FFS!

How/Why "tinker" with a formula that destroyed arguably the next best team in Scotland where the Maribor manager looked uncomfortable with what HE WAS seeing!

So now we have so far signed FIVE players and THREE of them play in the same POSITION!

IT IS A JOKE!! HE IS A JOKE! THE CHEAPEST OPTION!! we do not deserve that a suspect he would have been a great number TWO

Forget this PI** that you like the way he speaks etc. he is a SCHOOL TEACHER to trade, he is an AURATOR! very comfortable in that mode

There is an element that the board are to blame absolutely! for short changing us but guess what folks

THEY DID IT WHEN THEY APPOINTED HIM!

ATVB JB7

ATVB JB7

28 Aug 2014 13:27:34
So many glaring mistakes in a short space of time, but he was an experienced manager in Norway and needs time to adjust to the possibility of an away game to Stenhousmuir

28 Aug 2014 13:33:02
I honestly do think there is something in delia. I really do. Just don't think he will get time. Look at his last job. He was successful because he got time. He started off crap there to. You don't get time in celtic job. Especially now if sevco are lucky enough to get up. We need to have our house in order because just now we are miles away from what we should be. Granted there was a lot of money made in the Lennon era but there was also a lot wasted. He bout pretty badly at the latter end of his stay. We are left with that dead wood just now. It's a rebuild job and Lennon has to take some responsibility rather than having his cheap shots at the club.

Good post totally agree with everything you say. I also think there is a manager in there somewhere, and it may take him 2/3 years but will he get that kind of time? no chance and nor should he if it persists in same vain.

I am with Jamiebhoy7….too many contradictions and mistakes

Says after legia we are not a CL team in need of serious overhaul (what did that say to the players?)

Plays Efe for experience as a right full back having played him on the saturday at Caley …why was he the only one playing (other than Mulgrew) …

Why did we have to endure a low tempo first half with a middle 3 of kayal mulgrew and johanssen …in aggregate the least dynamic midfield trio I think I have ever seen

The good parts of the game came too late and he then says that it wasn't poor defending that was the cause of defeat but missed chances…our defending was abysmal ALL NIGHT ….

Efe was an embarrassment out on the right and Izzy wasn't far behind on the left

Look at what happened on Tuesday night (!!), the young lad is played away from home (19 years old and total rookie and being honest I wasn't that impressed) and then dropped for the home tie for Efe's experience but not on a like for like basis, meaning Lustig dropped in to middle of defence

NO wonder we are disjointed…we haven't played a consistent team year in similar positions to the weeks previous ….

stokes does not play up top on his own (but RD persists)

Berget was brought in and played in warsaw when one day previous he was a cardiff outcast (that must have done a lot for the squad's confidence and self-esteem)

VVD has had mulgrew as a buddy, and Dameier, and Ambrose and Lustig…making VVD a worse player overnight

Izzy's form has been poor but he is allowed to rest (when it was match fitness he needed to get up to speed and settled)…

The squad is not great, far from it, but surely to goodness we can all agree that RD, based on the cards that he has been dealt, is making a backside of it …

how can he demand consistency when he himself is so blatantly inconsistent ….

rabbit in the headlights indeed….Tuesday called for a first 30 minutes up an at em style; we can live with hard luck stories …

maribor did not merit the care and attention he put in to such a one dimensional, unorthodox and clearly negative set-up ….he than changes it because (in HIS OWN WORDS) a goal was coming for the visitors sp he moves to a more attacking formation ….oddly, it did give us more of the ball and more of the possession (for 15 minutes) but can you see the irony…

we look hopeless and we were not up for that match. the intensity/passion was low and there was a reluctance to carry the ball ….that is a confidence thing but when your coach things your poor and then builds you up and then says your poor again and he himself looks scared to death, what do we expect with no leadership on the park

we have no leadership off he park and RD has to carry the can for a significant element of that!!!!!!

3 games to see a hungry, winning and settled side …. if the confusion and rot continues we need to have a right good look at the club's direction with cool heads

i have nothing against the guy, but maybe he is a good orator, a romantic, with an unshakable belief in a particular system, BUT maybe it is not one he will ever get to fit around our squad and with limited funds, may not have the luxury of time to find players who will embrace it and give him the benefit of the doubt….

And what do you think will happen in the scenario Delia got the sack? A new manager steps into the job and suddenly things get better?

Get a grip! This is reality not fm2014! Things are not going to get better unless there is investment and a clear out of dead wood by ANY MANAGER.

Being honest if squad was of a decent standard and we still lost against maribor, I too would be calling for his head.

To DN30, yes I do but the real question is who?

this is a team minus Sammy & ff that went into last seasons CL, went unbeaten for upteen games and never lost a goal for circa 15 games!, there is a lot of deadwood agreed but for crying out loud did you do any homework on LW or Maribor do you realise actually realise how poor both these teams were? DYOR and get back to me!

DN30,

what has Delia done (not said. ) actually done thus far that has manifest in such a high level of confidence

go on…tell me …I am interested …

what has he done to date that you agree with….

Exactly paradise! but todays poll is suggesting 2 to 1 thinking the same as us buddy atvb

28 Aug 2014 18:45:52
Jamiebhoy7

Yea he is proven in Norway, what does that matter? People laugh and have the same attitude about managers and players proving themselves in Scotland. Give the man a chance and see if he learns from mistakes. Did Strachan have a great start? No he didn't. The players are poor at best and he needs time to build a squad if he is given the backing.

Jamie, I know how bad they are. Its embarrasing how bad they are. Never thought i'd say this but I geniunely think sammi would of made a difference these games.

Paradisewon, took a mediocre team to title and cup in norway. Certainly done a lot more than mowbray and lennon before they started.

Yes he is the cheap option, wouldn't even of considered him for job. But he deserves a chance at least

DN30 a agree Sammy would have done a job, this berget OMG! enough said!

But to Darren7 you cannot compare RD to WGS or TM but let's try a have typed this before in WGS the team that got beat of Brataslava consisted of Marshall (who knew Boruc was in and on the bench that night) Paul Telfer who travelled THE NIGHTBEFORE to meet his team mates Big Bobo who had spent the month (as his own agent tryin to engineer a move AWAY!) and a certain MO CAMARA as for TM he got 1 of the BEST AWAY results in Russia (where we won!) only to cruelly draw Arsenal in the next round (that would not happen now in the format!) let's analyse LW eh? a team with no recognised striker, there biggest G Scorer is a MIDFIELDER a league renowned for being won by one of the LOWEST scoring leagues in Europe! as for Maribor a team that is assembled by not ONE TRANSFER FEE! being paid NEITHER LW or MARIBOR countries having a CL team in the compettion for FIFTEEN YEARS! FFS! RD had TEN that's right TEN WEEKS to prepare for this! a second bite at the cherry, and @ home we MUSTER! TWO attempts at home the second in the 94th minute! RD had no ANSWERS! Please god tell me I am not the only one who noticed how uncomfortable he looked out there / how out of sorts even depth? atvb jb7

Proven in Norway don't make me laugh you mean like Ole Gunnar Solsjkar? He had faith in BERGET too! the only thing proven in Norway is that Independence backed by the oil industry works!

When was the last Norwegian team that graced the CL emmmm oh that's right it was Rosenberg and we plundered them for there top striker at the time . Harald Brattback!

28 Aug 2014 21:30:44
All I am saying is give the man some time. It doesn't matter how you paint it, the fact is managers have started poor and gone from strength to strength. The squad is one of the worst in a long time and he hasn't been able to strenghten as much as he needs and managers make mistakes. Neil Lennon knew exactly what was happening and was smart enough to walk away. If he was still Manager with the same results would the reaction to him still be the same? I don't see the problem with him coming from Norway he has had massive success there and deserves the opportunity to move to a bigger club. The Scottish league probably isn't any better we just have a couple of bigger clubs.

Darren7 "the squad is one of the worst" is this the squad that, ade last years CL stages, went circa four months not getting beat or losing a single GOAL! minus Sammy and FF, CG has not put a foot wrong so far mate!, A can think of loads of great Scots managers can't think of ONE Norwegian!, A want him to succeed, but his selection, his decision making is CLEARLY questionable atvb jb7

28 Aug 2014 22:29:25
I know he hasn't, as good as Forster is I think with Gordon he is the player we will miss the least. I am not singling players out I am sayin overall the squad is one of the wost there is no depth and the players there are watching there team mates being sold and replaced with poor loan signings players are not going to have the same motivation with this system in place. The fact he is from Norway means nothing and it doesn't make him a bad manager and just because you can't think of a great Norwegian manager doesn't mean there is none with the potential. Mate I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree

@ Darren7 Or we could choose to ignore the facts mate if that suits you? atvb

28 Aug 2014 03:48:42
So van dijk is ready to move the lack of champions league football is clouding his future.

Does he not realize he has been part of this embarrassment as well.

Think he is running before he can walk, like big vic, hoops and the rest before him he will soon find his level at the bottom half of the epl. High standards right enough.

Bye Virgil yet another money chaser.

I like VVD but no way has he done enough!

His backside collapses everytime he's tested. I know Efe is the fall guy but him and Wilson did much better in the CL than VVD.

I don't think VVD could cope with players like Sterling, Augero etc

So van dijk wants to move due to lack of champions league hmmmmm Newcastle, Sunderland, Southampton when were they last in the champs league?? When was the last time they won a trophy?? showing true his true colours now MONEY. Still think he's a good player would miss him but the team is bigger than any player hail hail mon the hoops

No player is bigger than the club. It looks enivitable he will go but I think his level will be a club like southampton or Hull.

27 Aug 2014 23:24:01
After last night if I was rd I would literally trim the 1st team down the bare bones and start again. Get rid of ambrose, pukki, balde, mulgrew, zaluska, derk, matthews, griffiths, stokes. i'd keep only a few of the current 1st team ie commons, gordon, vvd, johansen and start giving the youth full game time instead of the odd appearance here n there. Just my opinion but I literally don't give a f**k about euorpa so would rather see these young bhoys play a full season together and see what they are all about. As I said just opinion but we need stripped and restarted give rd this season at least see how he goes cause I don't want 2 see most of that team playin last night in a hoops strip again simple as that

You not see the caley game, take off the rose tinted glasses, most of our youth are just not good enough

28 Aug 2014 13:39:36
Funnier hoy let's start by reminding everyone that yes we were poor in Europe last year but won the league by 29 points. We needed 4 or maybe 5 good players. And we would have moved forward. Looking at the team now everyone is saying we need a completely new team. Nonesense. Ronnie D is so poor that the players don't have a scooby regarding what they are trying to do. He or his system is the problem. Add onto that the problem that no matter who we produce from the youth team or buy and develope if we get an offer we will sell. The model is simply to make profits from selling players. It is that simple. There is no model in place that says let's buy and build a team around one or two players. The model is to develope and sell. Now we have a manager who agrees with that model. When we get smashed out of the Europa League let's see how we all react to the RD revolution then. I am already worried about the Hearts game in the Keague Cup. This is turning into a disaster. Mark my words.

28 Aug 2014 16:10:19
Birmingham mate I far from wear tinted glasses haha your judging our youth players over 1 game that was decided by an own goal? lol get a grip. We have took our strongest 11 up there many times in the past and been beat ie lennon losing the league up there couple of year ago it's always a hard place 2 go. My point was that the youth players need 90 mins and constant games not the odd start every few months cause the 1st team isn't much better fs

Johnnymac, difficult to disagree with what you are saying

Johnnymac I agreed with you the other day & find myself in cohesion with you today again, My mind has started to wonder/worry too bout the Hearts game but felt it was to early if he gets beat there he is finished IMO and would deserve it

atvb jb7