Celtic Banter Archive March 27 2015

27 Mar 2015 19:19:25
Sorry meant to post this earlier, to make watching the England game "interesting" I have bet them to get a penalty at 5/2 odds, as backing them to win at 1/9 or bigger is unbackable and going for goals is risky also so with them probably having 90% of the play a penalty is a sporting chance.

27 Mar 2015 16:05:06
With this stupid international break interrupting our momentum and slowing down the posts on here also let's look ahead to next season, I see Ronnie has hinted that Oldegaard may come on loan, although I think he would do well at Celtic, I am not a big fan of loan deals, this year we had Tonev and Wakaso (both done virtually nothing) Guidetti ( pass marks just!) but Denayer has been head and shoulders above them all, but he will probably head south with the other 3 meaning we need to start again. One or two loan deals are acceptable but any more and it causes big disruption to the team when they leave, we need a settled team and squad, especially for the CL qualifiers, and if VVD goes as well that is a minimum of 5 first team regulars missing. No we need more long term planning to bring in permanent players.

27 Mar 2015 16:16:23
Agree to an extent. Unfortunately the ever changing landscape of our club and financial positioning in Europe means that this will be a "necessary evil" in short-to-mid term.
Even signed players who make an impact only have a lifespan of 1-2 yrs at club before business decision to move on for substantial reward.

27 Mar 2015 16:46:37
Im not convinced oldegard is a good idea. He is going to be world class by the sounds of it and if you could get him in 2 or 3 years time then amazing, but talented though he is will he at 16 be any better than the 6 attacking midfielder we already have. And if Real loan him to us they will expect him to play most weeks the same as Man City and Denier. AM is our strongest department in my opinion and I don't think at 16 he would be any better than GMS, forrest, Commons, Johansson, Armsttong stokes or henderson, and I don't think these guys would be to happ

27 Mar 2015 16:55:33
Stevo I think who we sign is more important than whether they are on loan or permanent . Virgil made it clear from early on that he didn't intend staying and I think Deila did well to get this season out of him . Will he get another?
Wakaso and Tonev haven't done enough here to justify them staying and they have featured so little I am not sure we need to replace them . I don't think we were ever going to get a chance to buy Denayer .
David Hay is today pleading that Deila does what he does best and gives youth a chance .m

27 Mar 2015 18:17:38
I don't really go along with the argument about playing youngsters.
I think young players should be introduced gradually so they can learn from the more experienced players in the team.
If we reach the final qualifying game for the Champions league, we will be up against teams who are probably stronger than any team we play in Scotland, these games are too important to be experimenting with untried youngsters.

27 Mar 2015 18:40:59
Gerryc. Definitely introduce young players slowly but we must introduce them . Henderson has been used well this season so far, he hasn't been over used . When it comes to Champions League qualifiers and hopefully champions league games themselves, surely Deila and his assistants are best placed to pick the players they think are best suited to get a result in these games, ability not age should be the criterion .

Marki, rather he deserves it or not Oldegarde has the reputation as been one of the best in the world at his age . It would be a feather in the cap for Deila and Celtic to have him for a couple of years . We would be better positioned to get other so called star youngsters from across the world .

27 Mar 2015 19:35:55
Chris I don't want Ronny to be in a position where he has no choice to pick youngsters.
If we lose Van Dijk, Denayer, Guidetti, and anybody else, I don't think Ronny would be happy if he could only replace them with players from the under 21's. I'm pretty sure he would want to go into the transfer market for experienced replacements.
There is a jump in quality from the under 21's to the first team, and there is a further jump in quality between the SPL and the Champions league, that's why the likes of young Mcgregor can't maintain their form for very long, it's a big step up.
You said it should be about ability and not age, but that should mean ability over a whole season, I think your far more likely to get that with an experienced core to the team, with the younger players, gradually brought in to learn off the experienced players.

27 Mar 2015 22:23:37
I think Deila will have a good idea of who is leaving. And whether we will have to buy in replacements. He will know whether he can replace from within or buy .
Buying may or may not be the solution . Young McGregor never became a SPL player, so he was unlikely to become a Champions League player . If they are good enough they are old enough . Denayer is still a teenager and he would be good enough to play in any competition

28 Mar 2015 09:42:45
@gerryc - Playing devil's advocate here. At start of this season McGregor was arguably our most lethal attacking threat and scored a good few goals in the qualifiers.

The way I see it, is age is not relevant. The only thing you should be thinking is who is the most suitable player for this match. If it turns out is a youngster then play him, same goes for more experienced players.

28 Mar 2015 11:14:59
I'm not against youngsters playing in the first team, but they must be good enough.
Denayer is a good young player, but we had to bring him in, we obviously didn't have anyone of similar ability at the club.
I basically want the best players we can get, if that means we have to bring them in, then that's what we should do.
I think Rab we probably want the same thing, in that I want the young players to be in the first team because they are good enough, not to take the place of good players simply because they are young.

28 Mar 2015 16:18:30
It. Is going to have to be young players . We have consistently bought players in their twenties. Some have been brilliant and left mostly after two seasons . Some have been ok and we still have them or could still have them . Some have been useless and we just can't seem to get rid of them .
Nobody could claim we have consistently over achieved either domestically or in Europe over the last ten years .
Deila's strong point has been signing and developing youth, if we want to improve we need to use his strengths or get another different type manager .

28 Mar 2015 20:19:08
Chris I don't understand what your argument is.
Are you saying if we lose a good player, we shouldn't buy a replacement, but promote a player from the under 21's.
If you are then I think you are wrong, Ronny's job is to field the best team he can, if that means promoting players from within then fair enough, but if it means going into the transfer market, then that's what he should do.
Most if not all of our first team have been bought to the club, so I assume the younger players weren't deemed good enough.
You maybe prepared for us to have a poor couple of years while we try out youngsters, but I don't think the vast majority of the support would put up with it.

27 Mar 2015 07:22:37
Celtic had scouts at the Portugal u21s game vs Denmark last night and also Benfica B vs Beira-Mar a few days ago