Celtic Banter Archive January 27 2016

27 Jan 2016 21:49:45
Bhoys, just seen a post on the conspiracy page, #boycottSPL
What's people's opinions.
Myself, I am totally against it.

27 Jan 2016 18:01:27
Ok guys just a thought on getting a bit of spice into the cup comps.

So as we all know there are 6 leagues in Scottish football

All games are played to the finish 1 game only no replays

All teams from ( league 6 and 5 lowland and highland ) gets a 2 goal advantage if they play any team from the premiership.

Any team from league 1&2 gets 1 goal advantage against a premiership team.
Now some people will say i'm being condescending to the lower teams, i get that but all i'm looking to do is get

Before anybody jumps in and shoots me down! please don`t just disagree reply with your thoughts.

27 Jan 2016 18:41:12
The only thing I like from your idea is no replays and that is only because I want to reduce fixture congestion for us.

By introducing this handicapped system that you are proposing would most likely lead to extremely dull and boring games as I would expect the lower league teams to sit with everyone behind the ball and try and stifle the other team.

The only thing missing from the cup competitions in this country is that you don't get a euro spot for the league cup which means some teams put lesser importance on it.

27 Jan 2016 18:58:45
I get your point RabMac about the Euro spot, but what if the lower team does not sit in and goes for a goal then their lead extends and it then makes the higher ranked team more attacking thus more exciting.?

27 Jan 2016 19:40:18
I think that rather than a handicap system, I would rather give the lower league teams the home advantage at least in the early rounds.
The trouble with a handicap system is that for the lower league teams, they could lose the match but win the tie, I'm not sure that players from these teams would feel that they had really caused an upset, it wouldn't be the same.
I know I'm probably in a minority of one on this, but I think doing away with replays has actually devalued some of the cup competitions worldwide, I think that it's created an attitude of just trying to get the tie over with.
From my point of view, if the match against Ross County on Sunday finishes in a draw, I would rather play the match again, rather than risk missing out on the treble on the lottery of a penalty shoot out.

27 Jan 2016 22:54:44
Giving a one or two goal start to lower league teams takes away the thrill that a lower league team gets when they manage to beat one of the big boys from the SPL.
The one thing I might consider offering is that the team from the lower division are automatically declared the home team and hence can play the game at their own ground or another approved ground .

28 Jan 2016 09:51:30
The League Cup does not get a Euro spot because of our other teams piss poor performance in not collecting enough coefficient points to ensure enough places in Euro competitions. (dont get me started on how a league can have 4 teams trying for CHAMPIONS league places)
I would like no replays from quarter finals onwards. Small clubs managing to hold a big team and get another bite at the playing and financial cherry is great for the game.
I also think that after 90 minutes each team should have to remove two players each for the extra time period.
After extra time? Still penalties. The penalty kick is a part of the game (certainly beats the stupid toss of a coin we used to have) just as free kicks, throw ins etc. What I will say on penalties is that any players in the original game squad can take them (substituted during game or not) . I would also say that, if manager and team decide, ONE player can take 2,3 or all 5 penalties. It is a specialised part of the game and some handle pressure better than others.
My pet subject of goal line technology, ref wearing a mike to explain decisions and use of replay should also be introduced. Too much power being given to one human being who can cost a club, manager or player's jobs by his decisions.

27 Jan 2016 14:17:48
Final quiz of the day.

Can you name all Scottish players that has European Cup winners medal?

The first 11 should be easy :P.

27 Jan 2016 15:57:32
Lisbon lions Paul lambert Steve Archibald.

27 Jan 2016 15:57:34
Lisbon lions, souness dalglish hansen law lambert. Kenny burns, john mcgovern john robertson.

27 Jan 2016 16:15:02
Alun Evans, Ken mcNaught, Des Bremner, plus brydonbhoys.

27 Jan 2016 16:19:00
John wark? With Liverpool.

27 Jan 2016 16:19:28
Stevie nicol.

27 Jan 2016 16:33:18
Frank koppel of Dundee utd was sub for man u vs benfica.

27 Jan 2016 16:37:05
Kenny Dalglish, Alan Hansen and the late Frank Kopel who was a substitute for Man Utd in 1968 .

27 Jan 2016 16:49:20
Up until Ryan! - Steve Nicol

Still missing 7 players.

27 Jan 2016 17:02:50
Are you sure about Frank Koppel? From my understanding (I may be wrong) back then you only had 1 sub which had to be a GK. For the Man Utd game Jimmy Rimmer was the sub keeper.

Happy to correct my knowledge if it is wrong.

27 Jan 2016 17:08:58
Andy blair, sub with Aston Villa.

27 Jan 2016 17:13:42
Pat Crerrand.

{Ed007's Note - Darren Fletcher and Gary Gillespie.}

27 Jan 2016 17:21:45
Des bremner villa?

27 Jan 2016 18:16:13
3 to go.

{Ed007's Note - Is Jimmy Ryan one of them? There's players from Man Utd's '68 winning squad that played in other games but not the final and got medals, I'm sure he was at Utd at the time and that I've read it in interviews/articles with him. Ryan went on to manage Utd's reserves and was Fergies assistant for a few seasons, after that he was made their Director of Youth before retiring a couple of years back.}

27 Jan 2016 18:37:32
Darren fletcher.

27 Jan 2016 18:52:26
Jimmy Ryan was not on the list. It is comprised of only the players in the squad for the final.

27 Jan 2016 19:46:31
Archie Gemmil, John O'Hare.

27 Jan 2016 19:41:22
Ronnie SimpsonX
Jim CraigX
Billy McNeilX
John ClarkX
Tommy GemmellX
Bobby MurdochX
Bertie AuldX
Jimmy JOhnstoneX
Willie WallaceX
Stevie ChalmersX
Bobby LennoxX

Pat Crerrand (man utd 68) X

Alan Hansen (Liverpool 78) X
Kenny Dalglish (Liverpool 78) X
Graeme Souness (Liverpool 78) X

John McGovern (Forrest 79) X
Kenny Burns (Forrest 79) X
John Robertson (Forrest 79) X
Archie Gemmill (Forrest 79)
John O'Hare (Forrest 79)

Frank Grey (Forrest 80)

Allan Evans (Villa 82) X
Ken McNaught (Villa 82) X
Des Bremner (Villa 82) X
Andy Blair (Villa 82) X

Steve Nicol (Liverpool 84) X
Gary Gillespie (Liverpool 84) X

Paul Lambert (Dortmund 97) X

Darren Fletcher (Man Utd 2008) X

The ones with no X were the ones missing. Good showing from you all there.

{Ed007's Note - You only asked for players that had a medal. Well Jimmy Ryan, Francis Burns and John Fitzpatrick were all Scottish and all received medals when Man Utd won it in '68. and are included in the lists Google finds :=P

https://goo.gl/IYKeJ8

http://goo.gl/8rQS5B

27 Jan 2016 20:08:40
Fair enough. I did not use that list, I just went through every final and looked at squads as I had assumed only players that day would have had medals.

{Ed007's Note - :=D

27 Jan 2016 13:29:44
A wee quiz if you are bored.

Only 7 teams have won the league, primary cup competition in their country and the European Cup in the same season. Who are they?

You are allowed 10 guesses (no cheating) , so just list your 10 teams.

I will post the answer later.

27 Jan 2016 13:38:56
You realise that everyone will be googling this?

27 Jan 2016 15:56:18
Barca manu celtic that's the only three I know without googling.

27 Jan 2016 16:50:39
Still a few to go.

27 Jan 2016 18:40:27
Red star i think it was 87 not sure.

27 Jan 2016 19:40:27
You could have probably guessed most of these if you had picked the biggest team from each country:

Celtic
Ajax
PSV
Man Utd
Barcelona
Inter Milan
Bayern Munich

Nice to see we are part of another elite club. Was surprised Liverpool and Real Madrid were not on the list.

27 Jan 2016 10:24:00
Big week for us with 2 cup games and league game against our main rivals.

If we win them all then I would say we pretty much have the league cup and league in the bag and are a step closer to the Scottish cup.

Really hope we do the treble this season (not that I actually care about the cups) just so Deila shows his detractors that he does have what it takes to be a success at Celtic. However, even if he does win the treble I bet some people will still slate him.

27 Jan 2016 12:50:41
Yeah good one rab everything in the Ronny garden is rosy because the pressure is off with no Europe to deal with. Win the treble and some will be saying he's one of the greats to manage Celtic. Just a pity it takes us till December before the swagger returns I've no doubt he'll be out fist pumping soon or at least until July.

27 Jan 2016 13:18:02
The pressure is never off when you are the manager of Celtic, surely you know that?

If we lose to any of Aberdeen, Ross County or EK, there will be lots of people going into meltdown and screaming for his head on a stick.

Now, you are entirely entitled to not rate Deila and believe it or not I also think he has something to prove when it comes to Europe. However, there is much of what he does that I am happy with and I like to think that I don't over react when we lose a game I had hoped to win (unlike some) .

27 Jan 2016 13:27:27
My god I didn't even consider getting beat by ek would that not merit a meltdown and the sack rab?

27 Jan 2016 13:44:21
I just don't understand why you don't care about the cups tbh.

27 Jan 2016 14:20:26
If you are asking me if I would sack him for losing against ICT, then my answer is no.

However, in the unlikely event we did lose I would expect him to be under major pressure and would not be surprised to see him sacked.

27 Jan 2016 14:22:58
The only time I care about the cup games is when we play Rangers or we already have the double wrapped up.

The way I see it is that when we win the cup my euphoria is short lived and I would be hard pushed to recall most of the teams we have beaten in finals (apart from Rangers) . However, for any other team outwith Celtic and Rangers, it is a massive deal for them and they will remember it for the rest of their lives, so I don;t grudge these guys some nice memories as I already have loads from supporting Celtic.

Now you don't have to agree, m I was merely explaining my opinion.

27 Jan 2016 14:41:15
I said ek not ict and it just re-emphasises some people will never see any fault in Ronny even if the most embarrassing result in our history was to occur,which I doubt will happen but you wouldn't sack him🤔

27 Jan 2016 15:06:43
I knew you meant EK and I just typed the wrong team (obviously thinking of a past embarrassment) .

The thing is even the greatest managers in history have bad days and have suffered shock defeats.

The reason I said I would not sack him is that I would put the result in perspective and I think he has done more good than bad.

Going on what Lawwell has said publicly the remit of the Celtic manager is to win the league and qualify for either the CL or Europa group stages. Now you may disagree and expect more but you cannot argue that Ronnie has met the target every time and I fully expect him to win the league again this year. Do you not think it would be harsh to sack someone who was meeting the targets you set him?

27 Jan 2016 15:50:57
No I wouldn't think it harsh to sack him for not beating East Kilbride I would demand it.

27 Jan 2016 16:01:29
Obviously a difference of opinions. On one hand you have me, who is prepared to overlook individual results as long as the manager is achieving his overall goal.

On the other hand you have yourself, who is prepared to overlook all the good things the manager has done and just judge him on a single result.

27 Jan 2016 16:31:17
Rab Mac he must have a remit to actually qualify for CL football st least once every 3 years? We get an opportunity to play in CL qualifiers each year but there is little point in winning the league and then constantly failing to qualify in CL. What other team in Europe get that chance. We find it difficult to bring players into SPL but if you can offer them CL football that is the sweetener. Without that it's much more difficult to sign better players. So he needs to step up. There are at least 5 managers in SPL that could win the league with our resources so If Ronny wants to be seen as head and shoulders above the rest he needs to do it in Europe. We have the best squad, most money, best facilities and generate more money than any SPL team. Winning the league is not a shock. We were 1/ 66 on at start of season. What does that tell you!

27 Jan 2016 16:53:32
@Johnnymac - Going on what Lawwell himself has said (i. e. our business model is based on qualification of the Europa league group stage at least and the league is our priority) indicates to me that as long as the manager has some form of European football in the group stages and wins the league, then he has met the targets and anything else is a bonus.

Obviously, I am surmising but that is my interpretation of Lawwell's words.

27 Jan 2016 23:13:52
Rabmac your posts are fair too sensible for the majority of posters on here .
He is knocked by some because he hasn't successfully picked his way through the massive number of games from August to early December. Domestic fixtures inter mixed with European games and the entire squad away on International 10 day breaks adding to the congestion . Attaining European football after Christmas season 2014/ 15 should have taken pressure off him and it did with those that mattered .
We certainly have plenty of excitement left this season with the next ten days or just as important as they come . All we can do is keep the faith.

28 Jan 2016 14:48:07
More excuses old bhoy Ronny had to focus on June July and August that was the important part of our season Being ready to beat Malmö. Our domestic challenge comes from partick killie Ross Hamilton and the euro challengers of Aberdeen etc not a major lot to fear when we have a squad twice the size as our rivals is it. Especially as we can make up for any domestic slip. Ps could you tell us what other clubs of similar size to us doesn't deal with Europe and international breaks? Or is it just another lame attempt to defend a poor European campaign again.

28 Jan 2016 18:19:27
QTo the best of my knowledge Jim72 the same teams who have qualifying rounds to play don't always qualify for the Champions League. The standards you set for R D are not attained by any other manager . We have teams who may qualify for a couple of consecutive Champions League campaign and then they fail.
However you deserve better Jim72.

28 Jan 2016 18:57:38
Your right I do deserve better as I expect us to beat Maribor or Malmö or molde every season