Celtic Banter Archive February 27 2015

 

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27 Feb 2015 21:47:02
another positive from thursday night gms only played less than 45 mins hope he tears the dons apart I've sat in the jock stein stand all season and just of late though were gonnae spank someone hopefully we do it on sunday after the exersions on thursday I think we the support will have to play a bigger part let's hear it from the bhoys n ghirls our team needs us

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27 Feb 2015 22:52:24
Davie67 - My thoughts too, such was the disappointment and frustration in Milan, I feel the Bhoys will just shred Aberdeen. They will not be tired, they will be really up for it and I expect to see a real show of fast exciting football from the Celts.
The game just can't come quick enough for me.

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28 Feb 2015 00:34:58
The game is coming very quick 12 noon on Sunday . I am surprised that we are not away to Ross County or some similar place . I suppose they didn't expect us to get so far .

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27 Feb 2015 19:43:10
Just back from Milan and I can't believe, well actually I can, that the focus is one a flare. There was one flare lit in the match, god knows how they managed to get it in as everyone was searched thoroughly, but with nearly 5k fans out there I for one did not see one single bit of bother. Quite the contrary actually and everyone mingled great with the Inter fans and they actually stayed outside to applaud us away from the stadium. Yes, it flare should not have happened but surely this is a security situation for Inter as the home side. For that to make the front page just typifies the MSM in this country and wee Keevins and co will be waiting in delight to see us get beat on Sunday. Considering the effort we put in for 10 men I find it scandalous that we are playing a match of this magnitude not much more than 48 hours later. Who decided on a 12pm kick off? Taking everything into account, I think the team will do fantastic to get a draw in that game.
One final point on the Inter game, I thought James Forrests demeanour and body language was a disgrace. I've stuck up for him to the hilt but he has lots to answer for after that.

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27 Feb 2015 22:23:45
I don't think there is a conspiracy RE the fixture list. We are getting to the stage of games coming thick and fast. Liverpool played in Turkey on Thursday and they've got Man city Sunday at 1pm. I think we'll pump them on Sunday!

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27 Feb 2015 23:54:41
Well we're in trouble for it again and whether you agree with the rule regarding flares or not its going to bite us big time in the ass some day.

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28 Feb 2015 00:36:16
Fixtures were made before they knew we would be playing on Thursday night in the last 32 .

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28 Feb 2015 12:51:14
OP totally agree re Forrest, he was the only player that did not put the required effort in. losses ball and just stops or runs along side the opponent but never tackles.
The flare situation is frustrating as everyone knows they are banned but there are still a minority who think they can do what they like, it is time for the club to do something, surely you need to be a season ticket holder to get a ticket for an away tie so the club must know who they sold these tickets to. time to get tough because even if there are 40,000 fans it only takes 1 to drag our good name down.

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{Ed007's Note - The Italians are that livid with the flare incident that it's been brought up in their parliament with Italian MPs wanting to introduce a trades embargo and other sanctions on the UK. The Pope will use his Sunday homily to pray for peace between the two countries before it's classed as an international incident as many people say it could be seen as Britain declaring war on Italy.
World leaders including Obama and David Cameron will meet with the UN to discuss the possibility that any use of flares can be classed as an act of terrorism after worried Italian MPs wanted to draft in the army and water cannons to control the crowd on Thursday night.
The UK goverment refused to comment on whether the search for the culprit who let the flare off will affect the search for Jihadi John but an insider did say:

'With the Celtic board containing so many members of the British establishment we're taking this matter very seriously indeed and with a General Election this year we need to make sure no damage is done to the reputation of Baron Livingston of Parkhead or any other Tory party member. The letting off of flares could push people towards voting UKIP.'

27 Feb 2015 12:11:08
Cant understand all the fuss about fireworks being set off. In a controlled enviroment with proper risk assessments carried out prior there is minimal danger. I bet the ones complaining have a different opinion when it comes to the barbaric celebrations of Guy Fawkes night. Classic example of bending rules to suit once again

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Dn your right, I don't have a problem with flares. But the fact is they are banned. People have been told stop bringing them. So you have to live by the rules it's just the way of it mate. People might not agree with the drinking ban doesn't mean they can say funk it and bring a carry out.

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{Ed007's Note - Are they banned in Italy and is the ban enforced? If the Italian authorities turn a blind eye to it then our fans done nothing wrong, we were in an Italian ground after all. I'm assuming Inter will recieve at least the same punishment as we will if we're punished after the amount the Italians let off last night.
If CFC were playing Man Utd would our fans be banned from drinking in the ground because it's banned in Scotland?
It's nothing but complete panty-wetting and hand-wringing from the usual suspects over a non-story. As far as I can see there's not one single mention of it in the Italian, European and English media, yet it's front page news in Scotland - one single flare.}

27 Feb 2015 12:37:01
Could say the same about alcohol as well DN, both against the rules except alcohol doesn't see the Club fined.

Are you fishing or suggesting we build a bonfire during the match lol

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Don't know if it's banned in Italy or not ed. if it isn't then there shouldn't be a problem. But know doubt there will be a problem. I was just saying to dn I haven't got a problem with it. know doubt some authority will and they won't be long in telling us.

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{Ed007's Note - The Scottish media are using this to try and deflect attention away from last Friday's live on TV Sash-Bash that was seen all over the UK. It's ok for thousands of people to sing and chant racist and sectarian bile but don't you dare let off a flare - it's pathetic.
There were three separate security checks and searches on our fans last night approaching the San Siro, either the lad bottled it (hid it up his ar$e) or the Italian stewards and police let him in with it.
From what I can see it looks like the only time Italian clubs and police have a problem with flares is if they are throw onto the park.}

That's right Ed and a said as much & you posted it on the Sevco page

So Collymore points out the obvious!, The delegate @ the "sash bash" reports them for "some" singing BUT they are NOT to face punishment for singing about a " bl**k fen**n bas***d "

A think that is known as "cherry picking" folks

Fireworks ffs? Someone should light the fuse and ask why the "bile infused" are allowed to get away with it in this day and age

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{Ed007's Note - The surprising thing, Jamie, is the amount of CFC supporters who still swallow this rubbish and can't wait to jump on the bandwagon. People are saying about how it's made the club front page news for the wrong reasons but look at who made those front pages and think about their reasons for making them.}

ED, I don't know if flares are tolerated in Italy, but this is a uefa competition and they don't allow them.
It may be trivial, but if these supporters know the club is getting fined, then what point are they trying to make, uefa are not going to back down.
If it was the scottish authorities that was imposing these fines then it would stink, when you consider what they're letting Rangers off with. But uefa have punished Rangers in the past for sectarian singing, so they are not picking on us in particular.

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{Ed007's Note - I didn't say UEFA were picking on us.}

27 Feb 2015 15:22:17
Ed did you not hear Neil Doncaster. There's every chance Rangers will have no case to answer. You couldn't write it could you. It's like the semi final 90 mins of there greatest hits and one celtic banner and its the old firm shame again.

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{Ed007's Note - Neil Doncaster is an incompetent buffoon. He actually said that before he had even seen the official reports from the match.}

27 Feb 2015 15:46:39
Ed a figured that our years ago mate for every "bad news bears" story there is out there ( and let's face it there plenty ) my view is they cannot let there "jumbo egg timer" that sits on there desks "run out" without writing something about us! That's exactly how I see it

In case they are accused of "having an agenda" biased or anti in my mind they set about almost a "book balancing" exercise, a just don't understand how others with a bit of savvy don't get that

Nice new look to the site btw (y)

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{Ed007's Note - The way I see it is if CFC fans misbehave then get it dealt without starting to play whataboutery and if fans of other clubs misbehave then punish them. In Scotland it seems that one club can't do anything wrong without dragging CFC into it. All this nonsense with UEFA about flying Palestinian flags and letting off flares is trivial compared to the real problem in Scottish football - the acceptance of sectarian and racist chanting by the authorities.}

27 Feb 2015 16:54:44
I don't know if my phones not working right, are their posts missing?

I can't see the link between the last 32 of a UEFA competition and a Scottish Championship match :-/

Did something happen to link them?

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{Ed007's Note - The Scottish media happened.}

27 Feb 2015 18:23:16
Why do the stupid element of our support think they can do as they like and the rules don't apply.
The Sevco media in this country and our own national football association take orgasmic pleasure in all things anti-Celtic and we need to 'police' our own fans and stamp it out.
We have made great progress in stamping out inappropriate songs, chants and banners and even though this seems to be a minor issue with fans, Uefa have their eye on us every time.
The great work of the team and the excellent record of our fans away from home EVERYWHERE must be respected by all.

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{Ed007's Note - The team's on-field discipline has also brought a charge from UEFA.}

27 Feb 2015 19:14:44
JJ the pictures are getting better of the incident if they get one of the guy with the flare they will quickly find him and have him barred from Parkhead IMO as that is the norm! Which will have little bearing on his "abilities" to do it again in an away fixture should the clown choose too

Interestingly (but surprisingly OR NOT!) much reported i'm have been hit with the exact same charge as they to have a fan with a flare!

Ed as far as I can make out the other charge relates to exceeding the 5 bookings rule, IMO given the referee's performance it was easy to see we generated circa 7 bookings

The referee IS NOT subject to having his performance reviewed!

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{Ed007's Note - It's time the club stood up to UEFA and fought against these stupid trumped up charges. If they want to punish clubs for flares then they need to make sure they are punishing ALL clubs. There were flares set off at games all over Europe this week so where's the charges for the rest of those clubs?
And no doubt there will be some sanctimonious snivelling prats in our support that will grass the lad in, the same prats that will moan that the UEFA charge against the team is unjustified and some form of victimisation.}

27 Feb 2015 21:31:12
if the guy that set of the flare is identified, why don't celtic
take him to the small claims court, so they can get some of uefa fine back of him, it'll make him think twice the nextetime, If he is desparate to set of flsares, why does'nt he go to the court of human rights, and say he can't watch a game of football without setting of a flare and get the law changed.

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28 Feb 2015 00:00:09
Mrs E you know me too well lol great bit of fishing guys! Keep biting lol

My honest opinion on fireworks are they are enjoyable in the right atmosphere. But at football games I think there is a serious risk to others and tighter restrictions have to be in place.

Over the years many stands have went up in flames from simple things such as bradford in 1985. Problem with european football ties are that many countries who participate, their clubs do not have same safety standards as us endangering lives.

With the astronomical revenue generated through TV rights, UEFA should tighten laws

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28 Feb 2015 00:47:03
Ed I think your missing the point regarding flares. I doesn't really matter if we agree with it or not, UEFA don't like it so the fans should be doing it.

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{Ed007's Note - You're missing the point, if UEFA are going to dish out punishments for it the it has to be across the board and punish ALL teams. Until they do that I say our supporters have as much right as Italians or Turkish fans or all the other teams whose fans used them this week. Besiktas weren't charged after flares at their game with Liverpool this week.
One flare doesn't make us a pariah club, it's time people dried their eyes and put things in a bit of perspective. God forbid we all have to read about how good the team performed.}

28 Feb 2015 08:35:43
DN to be honest, if they scrapped Guy Fawkes today then I would not bat an eyelid. Truth he known, I don't like fireworks or fire (big or small). I'm feart of it and have never lit anymore than a sparkler in my life and that was an ordeal!

I get how someone under the age of 21 can think its cool and a bit of a spectacle but not anyone over 21. Oh look green smoke cooooooollllll lol

I must just be hard to please that way or maybe it is old Skool, we never needed stuff like that to create atmosphere.

But agree, UEFA need to be consistent in this and toughen their rules instead of making it a random money making exercise 👍

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27 Feb 2015 11:57:03
I'm not a fan of his as a CB or a MF but I think he's an acceptable standard of Left Back, anyway do people think that RD will bring Mulgrew back in to the team, in midfield or will he be just used as an emergency CB. I think he slows the midfield ball down too much and I think Biton is a better footballer.

Roll on Aberdeen, let's take our frustration out on them and demolish them and peanut head flood. I've been saying it all year, one of these days we're going to give some team a right going over, let's hope it's this weekend.

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Haven't got a prob with mulgrew as a cb. Won player of the year there. Stops him thinking he can play football. I would play him as a cb or not at all. I think he can forget about mf that's bitons role every week now. Until he is sold. (Biton I mean not mulgrew lol)

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27 Feb 2015 12:57:38
I only rated him as a cb. Waste of a shirt anywhere else. If he can play as well as he did the year he won POTY then it would he a huge bonus for us. Unfortunately I don't think he's good enough and will leave this summer or next

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27 Feb 2015 08:53:57
For 40 mins last night we looked really impressive going forward. Defensively we are still easy to get in behind. Vvd sold the jerseys last night he shouldn't have been booked but when you are on a yellow don't ask to be sent off. I think we need 3 new cbs easier said then done I know but hopefully we can get some in early for cl push. Rb we look good maybe a younger lb to challenge and learn from izzy. Mid we look really strong however I think Forrests time is up. I would like rogic given a season with Ronnie look at bitons transformation. With gms Armstrong brown johans com and biton we look good. Updront is a prob. Since hooper we have signed lassad miku balde bangura pukki scepovic gritthiffs and jg. Of those maybe gritthiffs is worth a shout. But we are struggling. Stokes time is up. Signing a goal scorer is really hard and we need at least 2. I hope the board back rd early in the summer and we get some body's bedded in. Anyway europes done now hopefully a double or treble is on the cards but Sunday is massive. Win it the leagues all but done. Don't win we have a nervy title race on our hands. Unlucky last night boys pity we couldn't have stuck to game plan with 11. Now onto Sunday.

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Fair comment; I have been worried about the striker position too as we create numerous chances domestically and in Europe - where we create less - we need a clinical finisher.
Successful Celtic sides, usually have a 25/30 goal strikers and that should have been a priority after Hooper was sold.
I think Stokes was seen as another option, but that hasn't worked either and we have had too many flops up front in a very short time.
VVD - for all the good stuff he can do as he strolls through the SPL has been thoroughly found out in Europe time and again and does not look like a guy that 'takes a telling' as he repeats his mistakes.
Denayer is a class act, but he's not our class act, so we do need to build a solid, experienced unit that are actual Celtic players and let them grow in confidence.
Our enemies will smirk at our exit from Europe, but we are light years ahead of anyone else in Scotland.
Inter was a heck of a draw and we gave them 2 good games, although we did make things difficult for ourselves at Celtic Park.
We can all see a big improvement in organisation, fitness and form and we have plenty to play for.

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Bhoys could not agree more. The difference between those 2 Inter performances and the 2 Legia debarcles is night and day. RD has not been here that long and it is only going to get better. We defos need a finisher to help Griffiths, pity he picked up an injury last night cause he could have hounded that Inter defence. A good show all round with some pride restored. Roll on Sunday, Hail Hail

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27 Feb 2015 08:59:02
Great effort from the lads last night. Fantastic performance considering we were down to ten men. I think Virgil's sending off was harsh, especially the first one, the second he was a bit naive to get caught in that position even though there wasn't much wrong with his challenge. Armstrong penalty? Not for me. I think it would have been soft but on the other hand would it have been given at the other end? Who knows. The guy who nearly took Stefan's head off his shoulders should have walked also. In terms of the goal, what can you do except admire it. You just don't save a strike like that. Proud of the boys and hopefully over the next few years we'll use this season's valuable experience and do something special in Europe.

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I said exactly the same and got pelterz for it about a month ago. I honestly don't think we need a striker though. Scepovic looks a good player and definitely knows were the goal is as his record shows. I'm not even all that sure about desperately needing cbs anymore. Charlie can go back were he obviously belongs. What we need is to get players in that want to stay. There must be some decent British cbs out there that would stay a few seasons. Will be interesting to see what Ronny does in the summer.

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27 Feb 2015 11:04:54
I'm not sure if that's true about Scepovic. He wasn't even on the bench last night so he can't be doing enough in training.

Would anyone take Hooper back? I used to be of the opinion that he chose to leave because grass was greener etc, etc but at least he could score goals. Hypothetical I know. I don't know if he'd even want to come back or if we could afford him

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01 Mar 2015 00:30:24
Kevbhoy If you assume the referee was trying to be fair and impartial, then I don't think you could say Amstrong didn't deserve a penalty . When you consider the amount of contract involved in the two Virgil incidents which in the referees eyes warranted not only two frees but two yellow cards then it would reasonable to consider the contact on Armstrong to be a penalty .
A referee cannot turn a blind eye to a bit of contact one minute and later on punish the other team to the limit for the same .

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27 Feb 2015 08:27:55
Ed not Celtic related but I notice some of your sites have a new layout such as the newco and conspiracy ones, the links I use to move from site to site have been removed it's not doing your pages any favours as I'm sure I'm not the only one who goes for a wee nosey on the other page's when I'm done on the most important one, this one . Also the new layout on the newco page is terrible, you don't know when one thread stops and another starts and seems to be dominated by big blue disagree/agree boxes, I hope you aren't planing to change ours as I like it the way it is .

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{Ed001's Note - we know the links have gone, they are being replaced with a tab as it has to be optimised for mobiles to get listed on Google. As for the layout, it is exactly the same, apart from the links being moved to the top and the buttons being made bigger. As we have stopped getting any posts being submitted for the wrong threads on the pages we have changed, I fail to see how this new layout is so terrible that you can't tell them apart, considering the amount of replies we currently get submitted on the wrong thread. Seems like you are just moaning for the sake of it, people always moan about change, especially old folks.....}

27 Feb 2015 08:40:23
I can't post from my work anymore for some reason, I can get on the sites no bother but don't know if it's a security thing?

I use my mobile and it's a bit futtery just now, hopefully the new layout will improve that :-)

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{Ed033's Note - The new layout will be implemented the this celtic site soon and the site will be much better on mobile phones.

Aye, ed. I would agree with the point you make about change. How some of the Celtic support reacted to Ronnie a few months ago was shameful. Not sure I agree that it is just old folk's who don't like change though.!

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{Ed001's Note - naw I know, kids moan more than adults, but it is more fun to wind up the elderly ;)

Less of th old ed I was only born in 75, but I do like a moan lol, maybe it's just too much blue now 😊

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{Ed001's Note - aye, it is a bit blue, but this one will be green don't worry!}

27 Feb 2015 07:12:26
RD had relatively no time to settle before we were sent to Europe this season. In the summer he will have more time to sort out the squad, Van Dijk is definitely leaving so that is a gap to fill, Denayer wants back to Man City but it's possible he can be persuaded to stay one more season, he will learn nothing from the Stand. Add to that a good pre season I think we will be more than ready for an assault on Europe next season. I think we are going in the right direction and it won't be long before we are taking on the best again in the Champions League, We have grown as a team in this Europa League and it stands us in good stead for the remainder of the season. I just hope guys like Biton & Johansen stay for a few seasons because we now have a midfield that is as good if not better than it was in 2003 in my opinion.

The future looks good under RD.

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27 Feb 2015 07:59:28
Mate I've been saying that from start, Deila had no time to settle in and assess squad yet people were quick to slate me for defending Deila. i'm happy for him that he has revamped squad and we are playing a lot better. Things will only get better.

I wouldn't worry too much about Denayer unless he states himself he wants to go. People are getting a lot wiser to paper chat

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Very unlucky last night, everyone deserves credit, I think we missed Griffiths pace and movement, I am not sure we had to take our best player at the time (GMS) off due to the red card, it may have been worth a gamble to play him up top as Guidetti struggled to pose their defenders a problem despite trying hard. Just a note on the idiots with flares why do they persist in damaging the club with their stupid antics. I guess stupid doesn't know it is stupid

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27 Feb 2015 08:35:15
Exactly Groutdoc, tell me how lighting a firework improves team performance, benefits the Club or improves matchday experience for ALL fans then I'll listen to the argument (if there is one). I honestly don't care what other Clubs do it either.

In saying that, hopefully doesn't overshadow the progress Ronny has made and I'm one of his cynics.

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Without my green tinted specs, 11 v 11 we looked more than comfortable and could easily have taken the lead. Massively confident from the way we can play. Our young squad should only get better and a bit of added quality/experience should see us go further in Europe. Passing was a bit sloppy and some clumsy challenges which gave them a break from our pressure. VVDs first yellow was shocking. Was a great tackle which should have seen him applauded, not booked. Their play acting p!ssed me off and Icardi should have been booked himself for telling the ref to give the second yellow. Trying not to be sour grapes this morning but again I feel hard done by. Hope the players bottle up that frustration and give it to Aberdeen good and proper. Well done RD, already surpassed my EL target by getting out the group. Only criticism was taking GMS off - only player capable of stretching them individually - and to then bring Forrest on for that very reason when he's half the player GMS is. But, deliver a double now and you've had a great first season RD. Well done bhoys.

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Grout doc I agree. Gms was our best player so why take him off. But if your rd what do you do. He was put in a position by vvd and had to think fast. The decision shouldn't have been required as vvd shouldn't have tripped a guy up whilst on a yellow.

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Personally I would have taken Armstrong off. Didn't have a bad game as such (perhaps needs to bulk up a little). Think RD kept Armstrong on to try and stay compact but we needed a win, and as I say I think GMS is most capable of creating something individually. Shame Griffiths was knackered really.

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27 Feb 2015 00:47:51
Special mention to Gordon tonight, I was the first to discredit his mistakes last week. He more than redeemed himself tonight a great shot stopping display. A superb drive to finally beat him, Guran nearly ripped the net off the frame of the goal.

Well done to all the players a strong spirits display and a bit of confidence and respect restored in Europe. Good learning curve to build on.

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Fantastic effort from the players last night and credit to them and coaching staff to see how much progression is being made. I'm not going to sayanything that hasn't beensaid about the ref.

While the sending off was harsh Van Dijk should wake up this morning and realise he's not ready to be playing against top class players every week YET! He gave the ref the opportunity to send him off by going through the back of someone and then getting caught wrong side. Denayer was immense last night.

Substitutions.I was gutted to see Mackay Steven go off but Armstrong was more defensive minded that early in the game. Guidetti was tiring after a good shift but James Forrest was a disgrace to the jersey last night. Brought on to inject some life. He didn't chase, no movement and no interest.

I'm really optimistic looking forward to next years european campaign as the players even with 10 men didn't look out of their depth. Away from home, the players looked like they could hurt inter on the break. Exciting times ahead

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