Celtic Banter Archive October 26 2018

 

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26 Oct 2018 21:52:52
Long shot, but looking for two spares for Sunday if anyone could help? Struggled to get to games this season due to work commitments and eventually got time off.

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27 Oct 2018 11:26:00
Celtic spares on Twitter. Plenty flying about.

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26 Oct 2018 19:58:18
A lil' off topic ED, but what do you make of Benkovic? for me, he's no use to us never playing, has he played a EL game?

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{Ed007's Note - He's only a kid and he'll come good.}

26 Oct 2018 20:39:01
Me? I'm not bitter. But Aston Villa are getting humped again, McGinn ya fud I hope you get relegated.

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26 Oct 2018 21:24:06
But he's going to be a 20 million pound player Tim, how can that be happening?

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27 Oct 2018 08:31:15
That's pretty pathetic stuff Tim. If you want someone to be annoyed at for the McGinn fiasco look no further than our own chief exec, not the player who I know for a fact was messed about by our club.

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27 Oct 2018 08:55:19
Get over it, I think it’s got out of hand as we didn’t sign players we wanted in the summer . All of a sudden he seems to have become twice the player as we never got him. I know he scored a great goal a couple of weeks ago but personally I don’t think he’s that good. If we want to improve we need to buy better players than we already have and he’s not one of them.

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27 Oct 2018 12:07:19
I can see both sides of the debate; of course our board made a bawz of it haggling and stalling, but if the player was as 'Celtic daft' as he's supposed to be - he didn't have to go to Villa and could have run down his contract as no player can be forced to go anywhere.

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{Ed007's Note - McGinn would never have done that to Hibs or St Mirren though. Any move he agreed to had to be the best for all parties concerned as his way of showing his appreciation to those clubs who had helped him develop.
The blame for McGinn not signing has to be placed solely and firmly at Lawwell's door, - it was his mistakes and approach/attitude that stopped a deal happening - and privately he accepts that now.}

27 Oct 2018 12:40:40
Ed, he was encouraged via his agent (s) not to play for Hibs in Europe to try and force through a move and prevent him from being cup tied. He didn't play the first leg against Runavik due to an "injury" and by the time the second leg came round we hadn't made any further progress to get him in so he played the game. I think that's pretty admirable tbh.

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{Ed007's Note - We all know 99% of agents are slimeballs so no surprise there for me, Kev. It was up to Celtic (Lawwell) to push the deal through, not McGinn and as you've said he conducted himself admirably throughout it all and showed that not all young players are only our for themselves.
If Peter Lawwell thought McGinn was going to sign on the cheap in January or on a free next summer then he's been a mug. Rodgers, Hibs, McGinn himself and even Lawwell thought that the player would have ended up at Celtic, the only person to blame for it not happening is Lawwell.}

27 Oct 2018 15:44:38
I like Peter Lawwell. He’s an outstanding CEO. He’s a fan. His family have been fans for generations. I don’t know him personally.

If I won the USA Lottery for $1.6 Billion and bought Celtic, I would happily retain PL as CEO. He’s intelligent, disciplined, and doesn’t allow the club to be screwed. A man to trust with a couple of hundred million.

Even the best Executives make errors. He’s human. If he has admitted an error in this lost opportunity then he’s gone up even more in my estimation.

PL takes his instructions from the club Owner. If the club Owner wished to run the club on a different financial model then PL would run it to those numbers.

48 hours later, I find myself more forgiving of Brendan Rodgers regarding Thursday. Last year I was the first on blogs asking for the club to wise up after the CL group stages and get out the Europa League. My logic was a possible double treble was more important, the money had been made in the CL and the SPFL ten in a row could not be risked. I was right and we got out.

I do expect some further genuine effort in EL in home games, and a desire to get through, but focusing on tomorrow was the correct decision with the threadbare squad we have.

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27 Oct 2018 17:21:22
The club owner is not DD its a PLC and DD is the biggest shareholder with circa 35% of the shares but he's not the owner.
In a PLC the CEO ( and the board) have a legal obligation to the shareholders, that's the problem with Celtic is that we don't have an owner.

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27 Oct 2018 18:04:02
They are scumbags Ed but they were also acting on Celtic’s behalf. It’s just the dirty tricks of football that we don’t get to see as fans. Every club is guilty of it.

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{Ed007's Note - Ed002 is very good friends with Mino Raiola & Jorge Mendes, it would surprise most people what goes on but I stopped sharing it because it wasn't worth the hassle of posts from people that still think a manager runs everything at a club.}

27 Oct 2018 20:59:06
Managers should not control player recruitment at clubs.

Managers should have a significant input to recruitment meetings and highlight his preferred targets.

At the meeting, Chief Scout should take that on Board. But the scout network should be looking at numerous possibilities/ opportunities outwith the managers targets and his limited market knowledge. The latest intelligence on various players in various countries should be shared with the manager.

The finance director should control the budget constraints against club financial model and player contracts model.

Medical officer review known medical histories of advanced targets.

The Chief Scout and scouting network should be independent of the manager and not report to him/ be controlled by him. This helps keep everyone honest. No side deals, kick backs, bit off the top going on, to the financial detriment of the club.

Managers and Scouts should never be allowed to talk to players agents.

Whoever gets bought/ brought in, the manager must welcome them and treat all players equally, whether he backed that player recruitment or not.

It’s called teamwork and respect for each person in the recruitment process.

I would put a completely new player identification and recruitment process in place at CFC, the current approach is wrong for several reasons. Buying crocks, buying duds, emergency buying, wasting money and an unclear demarcation understanding of those involved in the process. Causing personality friction and ego horn rutting?

There should be an approved process procedure with a flow chart and roles and responsibilities matrix highlighting clear responsibilities and accountabilities.

One day, world football will catch up with the discipline of Operational Excellence.

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27 Oct 2018 22:33:21
I agree and disagree Molly.

All shareholders are owners. DD is principal and largest shareholder. Most other large block shareholders habitually vote with him in all AGMs.

Do others hold or even own shares but he controls their voting rights by some private contractual arrangements and side deals?

Who knows?

I read Martin O’Neil received a million pounds worth of shares as part of his contract. It’s my understanding that that block always votes with DD on every issue. Did Martin get the shares but Dermot retain voting rights?

Ally McCoist gave his Sevco shares voting rights to his East Kilbride supporters club but he kept the shares and their value.

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26 Oct 2018 17:33:57
Can't believe people were actually expecting more last night against RBL. Our injury list is huge and back up players nowhere near good enough! Average age 23 though so potential a couple may turn out to be Celtic players long term. Worried about January and losing boyata. Are we being linked with any new players?

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26 Oct 2018 18:17:21
The day I stop believing Celtic can't win is the day I chuck it. School boy defending cost us then we crumpled like a cheap suit.

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26 Oct 2018 20:36:41
I think those heavy defeats we suffered last season have scarred a lot of our players.
Apart from Anderlecht last season our away form in Europe has been poor for a while now. Nobody would expect us to do anything at PSG, Barcelona, or Bayern Munich, but we are now struggling at places like Rosenborg and AEK Athens.
I get the impression that a lot of our players dread these European games rather than relish them.
I think whoever we bring in in January, it's important that they are strong mentally and don't crumble when they come up against opposition that are better than we face domestically.

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26 Oct 2018 20:59:58
HappyHoppy,
Crumpled like a cheap suit?

We crumpled like your grannies tits in an ice bath.

Rodgers joined us in May 2016. He signed a four year deal in April 2017 and last night was his worst moment as a Celtic manager.

Nothing but the optimum strongest team against upstart tarts is tolerable.

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26 Oct 2018 21:33:56
Grey bhoy

Can't be my gran she had a mastectomy. Loved my gran or as we called her fried egg.

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26 Oct 2018 21:54:35
I dread European games now. It's like watching the same dvd over and over again. You know we're going to give the ball away cheaply, you know we're going to lose sloppy goals, you know we're going to look lost. I'm totally sick of it. Let's just give it up this year and concentrate domestically. It's not as if we'll spend the money we get anyway.

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26 Oct 2018 17:13:25
discussion post. for me in the last while we have a good starting 11. however when injuries occur we are exposed as having about 40 not quite good enoughs. surely a club like ours shoud have at least a backup 11 capable of playing on all fronts? when we play teams of a reasonable level. they have like for like subs. surely that's a basic standard for a team that fights for a treble and a mild euro effort every year. thoughts?

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26 Oct 2018 16:25:15
Ntcham is stealing a living at the minute, he gave the ball away needlessly 3 times in the first three minutes and about 15 times over the course of the entire game, putting it out for a throw in (bad pass to KT) and then losing the ball again (another wayward pass) in the build up to their second goal, how does he escape criticism week in week out?

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26 Oct 2018 17:08:57
I think he escapes criticism week in week out because he blows hot and cold. He's either great or quite poor really for me. Excusable for a young player but not desirable, no. He has had good games in Europe but like a lot of the side he can deliver poor performances.

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26 Oct 2018 17:23:29
He doesn't want to be here. Goes through the motions punt him.

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26 Oct 2018 21:55:35
You must have missed the Hibs game last weekend? None of our players cover themselves in glory away in Europe. Not one.

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26 Oct 2018 15:16:24
Looks like we have a defensive crisis for Sun boyata suspended ajer sumo both injured and benkovic a major doubt so it could be Hendry and possibly lustig who I personally don't like at cb and gamboa is Injured as well so rb a concern as well. be interesting to see what team we rustle up.

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26 Oct 2018 17:44:44
I hope you are wrong about only having Hendry if that is the case we should look at our youth team as Hendry is worse than useless.

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26 Oct 2018 17:57:40
Actually forgot about Boyata; so Hendry will definitely start and hopefully resting Benkovic last night gives him enough recovery time.
The bottom line is, we have to score more than them and I think we have enough attacking options to do the job.

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26 Oct 2018 18:00:14
If benkovic doesn't make it we're left with only Hendry.

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26 Oct 2018 22:24:44
If Benkovic was so badly injured why was he on the bench last night? We missed the spine of our team to an extent tough for most teams I think brendan had more of an eye on Sunday why not are we going to win europa league. nope is it good getting beat all the time. nope do the MSM love slaughtering ya after a European game. yip! But Europe is a bust just now our bread and butter is the focus but you get the ones who crave the champs league to post a fb status or twitter video me I love seeing the hoops win trophies and we ain’t done to bad recently so let’s get a big performance against the Jambos then pump the sheep in the final ⚽️🍀🙂.

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26 Oct 2018 12:27:41
I just wanted to highlight the fantastic work all our supporters do in the name of charity.
The latest is the 67 KITCHENS, which works in conjunction with Mary's Meals in Malawi and Zambia. This charity does what it says, establishing 67 kitchens in 67 schools to give the children a basic meal in school. They have asked Celtic Supporters Clubs all over the world to sponsor one of these school kitchens and to date most schools have a Celtic Supporters Club sponsor only a few still do not, but they are confident of all 67 being sponsored by our wonderful Celtic supporters.
Amongst all our doom and gloom in europe, our amazing supporters show a shining example of what it means to support Glasgow Celtic Football Club Hail Hail.

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{Ed007's Note - Talking about charity, Tim, I'm hoping to start another donations page for the Hamilton food bank to get some kids toys etc at Christmas in the next week or so if that's OK with everyone? I'm hoping we can beat the £800 we raised last year...

26 Oct 2018 12:51:59
Count me in ED007 I bet you saw a lot of happy Hamilton kids and mums last Christmas. Go for it.

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers, Tim 👍

26 Oct 2018 17:08:49
what can we do to help ed.

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{Ed007's Note - I'll set up a Just Giving page, Gerry that people can donate to so just let as many people as you can know and that would be great.}

26 Oct 2018 18:45:14
I'll donate definitely 👍.

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{Ed007's Note - 👍

26 Oct 2018 12:02:24
Guys, I need you all to completely change your mindset and think differently. Because you've all been programmed for years to think a certain way about money at Celtic.

Dermot D and PL have got us all thinking the way they want. About our club operating as a profitable business. About buying players cheap and making a profit on them. About just enough spend to qualify for CL group stage. Not over spend to reach last 16 or last 8.

Other clubs are not run like that at all.

Other clubs are owned by billionaires and corporations as a passionate endeavour where they put their earnings into to achieve golden memories without returns. Hundreds of millions are casually written off, no player is bought with profit in mind, they are bought for football excellence to win games. Profits are never declared on the P&L. It's all about winning and buying success with their money earned elsewhere.

That's how RB Leipzig is run.

Bear with me.

Dermot Desmond is 68yo. The average lifespan of a UK male is 79.7 years. So on average he's got another 11 years. I hope he gets them all and plenty more.

Dermot D is worth €2.4 billion.

Is his aim to leave it all to his kids? Or would putting, say, €200m into Celtic over the next 5 years bring him happiness and Joy in his life? Leaving his kids €2.2billion (or more) when he finally pops his clogs.

Because that's what Billionaires who buy football clubs do. They pump their wealth into their club!

DD is the ninth richest person in Ireland. Perhaps what Celtic needs is one or more of the other eight owning us and thinking differently about the club.

Magnier has said he wanted to buy Celtic and he would pump money into the club. Magnier is worth €2.3billion.

Finally. Winning the Champions League earns you a uefa payout of €88 million. So for the clubs who win it's definitely not about returns. They spend hundreds of millions.

It's all about the glory and the hunt for glory.

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26 Oct 2018 12:49:40
GHB what are rambling about? What right do you have to tell Dermot Desmond what he should do with his hard earned money? He has every right to wish to leave it to his kids so that they are well cared for after he is no longer here. Celtic are run the way a club should be run and have the right fit and proper people running the club with the best interests of the club at the heart of every decision made.
We have to buy players with a sell on profit in mind as it is a major source of our income as we will never have access to the same kind of funds that the premier league clubs do, playing in a mickey mouse one horse league.
We will not be able to attract the quality of player required to bank £88m for winning the champions league playing away to Hamilton and Dundee every second week ( no disrespect) !
Some folks are living on a different planet!

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{Ed007's Note - Clubs are only allowed to lose 30m Euros when wages, transfer fees and income are balanced over a three-year period. Investments on stadiums, training facilities, youth development and women’s football are discounted from costs.
So Dermot Desmond or any other rich benefactor can't just pump money into the Club and cover any losses, it would be insanity to go down that road.}

26 Oct 2018 13:46:32
Pointless post GHB. As Ed says clubs cannot do what you think the owner should do.

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26 Oct 2018 14:13:03
None of the euro big clubs are playing at FFP at all:

RB Leipzig:
Gulacsi £7.2m
Upamecano £27m
Orban £13.5m
Konate £10.8m
Sarrachi £10.8m
Mukiele £12.6m
Klostermann £10.8m
Kampl £16.2m
Forsberg £22.5m
Bruma £11.3m
Sanitizer £22.5m
Werner £54m
Augustine £22.5m
Poulsen £13.5m
Cunha £11.25m
The rest £7m+

That’s not season ticket and tv money income. That’s Red Bull’s money. The revenue at RB Leipzig does cover the salaries.

In comparison Dermot Desmond’s Celtic:
Christie £850k
Morgan £750k
Hendry £1.25m
Kouassi £1m
Gamboa £750k

Need I go on?

Your argument is if RB had Celtic and Desmond Leipzig then the spend would still be the same at both clubs due to FFP.

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26 Oct 2018 15:01:16
He’s a Miser who probably wants to be Ireland’s richest man and not ninth.

He’s like an Irish Leprechaun with his crock of gold hidden away at the end of the rainbow.

Malky Bhoy, sorry mate but you couldn’t open your mind as I asked in the first post. You’re brainwashed, cannot change your mindset or think differently.

Thanks Ed for letting me get my point of view out. I love my club like everyone else. I won’t post on skinflint again.

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26 Oct 2018 15:04:31
GHB I think you are way out pal, Timo Werner cost RB 14millon euro
And the French centre half cost them 10million euro.

10/ 15 million euros is about the normal price they pay for players, all very young with a view to selling on for massive profit. They play in a league that has massive TV money being poured into it.
We just can't compete with these clubs from the top 5 league's when it comes to bringing in players.
Yes we may be lucky to unearth one or 2 here and there, but the fact is we can't go and buy 3,4 or 5 at one time it would finish us.
On the other hand you say to yourself why don't we go get a couple at the other end of the spectrum, seasoned professionals around 30, but these guy's probably won't come to Scotland for 25/ 30 grand a week.
I think it must be really difficult and extremely frustrating being manager of Celtic at times lol.

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26 Oct 2018 14:29:05
Ref my earlier post listing RB and Celtic player values.
DD could buy those guys putting £40m a year into Celtic for 5 years and converting the loans to shares to meet FFP RULES.

It’s how billionaires and corporations get their money into clubs. Convert the loans to shares.

Kudos to Ed for putting up a broad church of views. Whether popular or not.

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{Ed002's Note - No, that is not how FFP works. Any loans made to the club have to be declared as income and they are contained in both sets of accounts. Clubs have to work within the constraints of FFP. If they don’t there are sanctions.}

26 Oct 2018 16:10:49
Celtic are up against it. Sadly the tv money other countries get will always put us at disadvantaged. We have to be smart youth development and transfer purchases. Second one failing at the moment.

We only tick 2 boxes when it comes to being a champions league team. Or magnificent support and our 60000 stadium. Ooh nearly forgot we pay our Cheif Executive a Champions league salary.

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26 Oct 2018 19:36:47
King and the three bears have been putting millions into Sevco for four years.

They have not been FFP compliant for that cash injection but the SFA has given them two euro licenses.

They are now converting those loans/ debt into shares to meet FFP.

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26 Oct 2018 19:37:39
GHB your rambling again😂😂.

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26 Oct 2018 21:31:04
GHB you seem to care a lot about what goes on in snake mountain eh?

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26 Oct 2018 22:58:08
GHB, are you on an undercover mission from the Larkhall Loyal, your ramblings remind me of that 2nd world war film, about the POW camp, where they all knew there was an informer in the barracks, and most opinion thought it was Rod Taylor, or whatever his name was, but it turned out to be this all American boy, who turned out to be a right person, what was that film called, Stalag 17?, or something.

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27 Oct 2018 08:42:51
GHB who cares what goes on over there .
I think we are run fantastic as a club considering the disadvantages we have to live with, take the accounts for the end of the season coming. With the cash we have in the bank and the sale of Armstrong and Dembele it will mean even without qualifying for champions league we won't have to sell any of our assets. And remember we have a 60million pound wage budget, quite remarkable for a club that doesn't get hardly any TV and prize money domestically.

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27 Oct 2018 11:13:04
That's Transfermarkt valuations you're posting there. It also values KT at £11.25m so it's a load of pish.

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{Ed007's Note - They're not even that accurate.}

26 Oct 2018 10:31:59
OK NOTHING positive to take from last night our away form in europe is abysmal, but we now have 2 home games and 1 remaining away game versus a poor Rosenburg, our target has to be 3 wins to qualify for knockout stages, can we do it, hmmm we will see.
Now on to Sunday, hopefully Lustig, Rogic and Benkovic are all fit. added to Forrest coming back in we SHOULD have 4 fresh players.
One plus about Murrayfield is a much bigger pitch and the surface will be similar to our own newly lain pitch at Celtic Park. I expect to see a much improved performance against Hearts.

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26 Oct 2018 11:27:32
I think we will get 2 wins then I think another point would take us through.

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26 Oct 2018 12:00:29
The problem in our group Kev is 3 teams could end up on 12 pts, fairly unlikely but could happen. Imagine getting pumped out on 12 pts.

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26 Oct 2018 15:39:25
I hope u r right kev but can't see it. In three games we have managed only 1 goal and conceded 5. That's simple not good enough. And if we have to keep playing with rubbish like kouassi then we are in trouble big time.

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26 Oct 2018 18:03:58
2 goals Griff v Rosenburg and Eddy v Salzburg.

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26 Oct 2018 10:21:20
Question troops have Celtic ever had a centre back softer than sumonovic. absolute chocolate should be punted, unreliable no heart and he's no very good, at this rate compper might need to play against hertz perish the thought.

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26 Oct 2018 11:09:37
You can’t say that.

The guy might have a serious injury.

He overpowered the guy and won the header.

Let’s await scans/ x rays/ ultrasound and see.

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26 Oct 2018 11:16:41
You can say that the man is Injured all the time.

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26 Oct 2018 11:28:53
You most certainly can say that.
The guys lasts 2 games at the most then is out for months at a time.
I'd pay him to leave at this point.

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26 Oct 2018 13:50:14
Being an injury prone athlete isn’t the athletes fault. He doesn’t want to be injury prone.

The world No.1 tennis player, Rafa Nadal, is injury prone.

You cannot say he’s “soft” or “has no heart” it’s about careful choice of words.

Yes, he’s out a lot with injuries.

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26 Oct 2018 14:47:21
Grey you wouldn't want him in the trenches with you. he's not the type to play with a knock the evidence is there since he signed he's injury prone and every knock he's off the pitch.

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26 Oct 2018 21:29:33
He's as soft as butter that's been left in the sun.

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27 Oct 2018 08:49:19
He goes up, goes down, stays down, goes home. not what you need. Benkovic isn't likely to play either if there's any pain or discomfort. see commper has thrown the manager under the bus a bit saying he's now fit and ready but thinks the manager will never play him. Likely to sit out next 18months n retire. Manager explains he was bought for his experience but is now behind players in pecking order. Seeing we only have 1 additional centre back who doesn't always play that's doesn't ring true.

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26 Oct 2018 09:22:05
Am I surprised about the performance last night? The answer is no, I actually thought it was going to be worse! How my expectations have fallen in the last few years has been very sad indeed. I used to love Europe and playing all the big teams etc. But now I'm just filled the fear of getting humiliated game after game in Europe. I understand money talks at the end of the day but the overall effort by Celtic in Europe recently is tragic. If the players need any motivation for the rest of the season then they just need to read the headlines all over Scotland today. When you are getting laughed at like players like Steven McClean, and getting slaughtered by pundit after pundit surly that's enough to get you fired up and put them all straight! All these snipes should be pinned up all over the dressing room week after week to show the players who are actually laughing at them! Come on Celtic! Let's get a grip of this season! HH.

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26 Oct 2018 01:07:38
Hi guys not posted in a long time still read most days though just wondering if anyone knows of any decent pubs near murrayfield for a beer on sunday before the game Cheers in advance bhoys and ghirls.

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26 Oct 2018 11:42:23
Haymarket is good but a fair wee walk.

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26 Oct 2018 12:00:05
Last time i was there when celtic played in qualifiers they had shutters DOWN! with punters still INSIDE! no joke 😂

HH

Chris1888.

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26 Oct 2018 14:55:55
Cheers guys we're getting off the train at Haymarket so hopefully the shutters will be up👍.

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