Celtic Banter Archive February 26 2014

 

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26 Feb 2014 22:48:46
OK so we don't get the Invincibles tag, The Wall gets his Scottish record & nothing to look forward to, this is what I'm hearing. So what, I will support Celtic no matter what, When the Zombies cheated there way to 9 in a row, it hurt, ghod did it, but I still supported them because I knew eventually our day would come, here we are during our day & the attendances pathetic & now so called Celtic fans turning their backs because the league is over, not mathematically but just a question of when. So with our season "over" let's give the kids a shot, i'm not saying play the under 20's team, but blood the young talent, give them experience playing in front of the "loyal" fans, u never know, we might just unearth a true gem & save NL a few million on a transfer.

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No 1 said anything about turning ther back on celtic haha what a ridiculous statement 2 make

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We seem to have 'farmed out' a lot of the young talent that could have proved a point like :- Rogic, Atajic, McGeough, Watt etc etc.
Plus the manager doesn't even trust guys like Balde and Pukki that he bought himself to start games.
It's not about turning our back on Celtic as no true supporter will ever do that - but there are a few things causing concerns and doubts.

JJ

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@jgg seen your comment on the other page, good points made! Have posted a few on there as well and usually get a few descent responses all be it from zombies! Your point on here I think is 100% correct! Griffiths pucki balde fisher borighter(spelling) should all have runs from now till end of the season. Show us why they should be allowed to wear the hoops! Give them confidence to play rather than, first mistake your out and a guy that's leaving is on in your place. We all know what commons, brown can do! Give these guys a break. Before we know it, it will be word cup games then euro qualifiers for cl? We need to have the good guys fresh and know who will make the grade before nl gets anymore money to waste on players who he won't play!

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26 Feb 2014 19:52:15
Anyone else tuned into the Galatasaray v Chelsea match?

Fantastic pre-match show there from Gala fans, I'm hoping the Istanbul hospitals are prepared for a sudden rush of asthmatics.

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26 Feb 2014 23:08:04
Hi Ed, I think that we have 11 games left this season and we are now 21 points clear and 36 goals better off than Aberdeen. So even if Aberdeen go on their best ever run and win every game between now and the end of the season, we only need 12 points to win the league. how can Lennon justify not using our 2nd string to find out who is worth keeping, who should go at the end of the season because they don't look like making it and who is ready for the step up. If our reserves cannot take 12 points from 11 games in this league, our whole approach to buying players and bringing them on needs to be thrown out along with the dismissive attitude that is projected towards the fans by our illustrious leaders. Add to this the fact that we are wasting a place on the bench that could be used any number of players who want to play for Celtic by allowing Samaras to put himself in the shop window for his own potential profit and weak decisions become ludicrious.

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{Ed007's Note - The problem is that the players who should be getting eased into the first team are all out on loan.}

26 Feb 2014 17:15:30
Any legal eagles on here?, just wondering what ye make of the Hutton situation at Villa. Basically Lambert has said that he has been told not to play him because they want him and his £40K PW week arse off the payroll. Shay Given has alluded to the fact that they want rid of him too. I know we had the same situation with Balde with GS not playing.

I think it's an absolute disgrace, we expect players to honour their contracts and I feel Clubs should do their part also.

Is that carry on akin to constructive dismissal.

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The only thing that surprises me about hutton is that teams keep paying transfer fees for him. he can't defend, he has no positional awareness, the only thing that is a good bet when he goes on a run is that he will either fall on his ar5e and shout for a foul, punt his cross into the stand or turn around and play a backward pass. he has been over earning now for years and should just celebrate that it has taken this long to be found out. but he shouldn't fret too much, he still has a career with the Scotland team.

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26 Feb 2014 14:58:56
We should get rid of Lennon and bring back the super star of world football, Wanyama, as player manager.

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26 Feb 2014 14:43:38
First things first, I was not bothered by this unbeaten run it was Lennon who put himself and team under more pressure by going on about it, but I do feel sorry for Forster in not getting British shutout record.
Hopefully Lennon will now give the fringe players and younger squad members more game time. He now has perfect opportunity to plan for CL qualifiers and also give our important players a longer break.
I would imagine few changes to team will be made until League is won to give the players that won it all the plaudits, but then start planning for remaining 5 games or so by playing system we hope to use in Europe next season.

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Pointless playing system for next year if it's different to this years if your going to rest top players who will be expected to play next year? We should just give fringe players a go regardless of results till the end of season ( balde pukki derk Biton fisher and zaluska in case big fras isn't here next year)

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26 Feb 2014 09:09:12
Hi Ed, any news or thoughts on what will happen regarding season tickets for next season? This season it was discounted by 100 in a one off deal so if next year the 100 is put back on they will really struggle to sell the amount they sold this season, even with the discount they might not sell next year. Also we usually get to free home games included this year was a usual pointless friendly and the karagandi game (I think). These games next season will be at murrayfield so they are technically home games but they can't be advertised as the two free home games, me personally Edinburgh mid week isn't possible! Same as I am in the home ticket scheme but there is no point in me buying a ticket for a so called home game that isn't at home and have no chance of getting to the game.

Any way that's my rant over. and I would be kidding myself if I said I won't renew if it goes up by 100, they are in my blood and can't give them up.

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{Ed007's Note - Unless there is a serious rethink about the direction the club is going I think you are off your head to buy a season ticket next year. The simple question is, are you getting value for money?
P.s. Can you make sure you are logged in when posting, cheers.}

Fair point well put Ed. Sorted my login, phone keeps losing my settings.

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{Ed007's Note - If it's iOS7 it is a problem at our end (I think).}

The board cannot expect fans to pay £100 more next season but they will find problem in 2015 if sevco get promoted. If they increase tickets then they are more or less admitting that we miss them.
What they should do is give every home game free apart from champions league like they did on old days. Then it is up to the cup draws to see if it is value for money

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26 Feb 2014 11:41:30
Would any of the current Celtic squad make it on to the best Celtic 11 of the last 20 years, playing a 4-4-2 formation, would Lustig get a game, Foster, Broony (not a chance)

My team,

The Holy Goalie,
Boyd, Lustig, Johan & Joos.
Lubo, Lambert, McStay & Stan P,
Sutton & King Henrick.

Subs, Foster, Izzy, Stubbs, Lennon, Thommo, Collins & Hartson

Dreams!

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Id swap lambert with wanyama

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BadBhoy what about Jinky?
3-5-2

Artur
Johan, McNeill, Elliot
Jinky, McStay, Stan P, Murdoch, Lennox
Larsson, Hooper

Subs, Packie, Joos, Gemmill, Wallace, Wanyama, Viduka, Sutton,

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Sorry BB, have made an arse of myself by missing your "20 year point", sorry, Hail Hail

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Boruc

Lustig Mjalby Van Dijk mcgrain

samaras mcstay petrov naka

lubo

Larrson

jinky forster bobo sutton thompson broonie wanyama.

thats mine.

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Ah, I did it to, sorry mate. put in a few old timers :-)

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GK: Artur Boruc (2005-10)
CB: Bobo Balde (2001-09)
CB: Johan Mjallby (1998-04)
RWB: Mikael Lustig (2012-present)
LWB: Joe Ledley (2010-13)
DM: Paul Lambert (1997-05)
DM: Victor Wanyama (2011-13)
CM: Paul McStay (1981-97)
AM: Stan Petrov (1999-06)
FW: Chris Sutton (2000-06)
FW: Henrik Larsson (1997-04)

Subs: Fraser Forster (2010-present); Jackie McNamara (1995-05), Virgil van Dijk (2013-present); Alan Thompson (2000-07), Shunsuka Nakamura (2005-09); Pierre van Hooijdonk (1995-97), John Hartson (2001-06).

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I feel really stupid, Ledley out and ex-captain Tom Boyd in at LB, where he played until early 00's.

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Very well thought out team HB, love how you even put it in the dates.

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Had a rethink of my team lol. Missed out some gems.

Starting XI:

GK: Artur Boruc (2005-10)
RB: Mikael Lustig (2012-present)
LB: Tom Boyd (1992-03)
CB: Bobo Balde (2001-09)
CB: Johan Mjallby (1998-04)
DM: Paul Lambert (1997-05)
DM: Victor Wanyama (2011-13)
CM: Paul McStay (1981-97)
AM: Stan Petrov (1999-06)
FW: Chris Sutton (2000-06)
FW: Henrik Larsson (1997-04)

Subs: Fraser Forster (2010-present); Jackie McNamara (1995-05), Paul Elliott (1989-91); Lubo Moravcik (1998-02), Shunsuka Nakamura (2005-09); Pierre van Hooijdonk (1995-97), John Hartson (2001-06).

* Close misses I thought about but left out were John Collins, Neil Lennon, Jorge Cadete, Alan Thompson, Joos Valgaeren, Joe Ledley and even Virgil van Dijk!

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I can't believe no one has Didier Agathe in at right back. Class player for us!

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Lets be having ya so Henkicks Tongue

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Boruc
lustig mjallby vvd izzy
thom wanyama p, mcstay Collins
van hooijdonk larrsson

forster, Matthews, stubbs, lubo, lambert, hartson cadette

deep river bhoy

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--------------boruc---------------
-----lustig----vvd----joos-------
agathe, mcstay, wanyama, petrov, lubo
--------larsson------sutton-------

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Deep river bhoy, fair dues

Andy Thom, some peg on him. Was he the start of the polish contingent, what about Dariusz Wdowczyk and Jacki Dziekanowski. Good memories of these solid pro's who gave their all

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Thom was German mate. VVD is an exciting player no doubt but surely he doesn't get in ahead of Aitken or Boyd, Mjallby, Joos or even Bobo 'blunder on the big stage' Balde? Not yet anyway. I think the answer to the OP is maybes one, maybes Forster.

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Boruc

Balde mjallby vvd

Agathe lambert petrov mcnamara

Moravcik

Sutton larsson

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Apologies JimTim, German he was, no wonder I couldn't find his name under the list of Celtics polish contingent

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Jimtim . I would have vvd in before the four you mentioned . yesterday today or tommorrow.
real life or make believe. As the bhoy is a level above them even at this stage of his career

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I accept you point DeepRiver he is a class act and I think he could go all the way (albeit not with us). He's a better footballer in ways than Boyd or Aitken already but they were fantastic servants and Virgil has been here less than a year. Which brings me to my next point, in the CL (like most the bhoys) he was far from great, Mjallby was great at European level and although he was a right Jekyll and Hyde for us, when Bobo was good he was great too. Just a wee bit early for me to be saying he's worthy of being in a vicennial Celtic XI. He may not be here in the summer too. The absence of a quality CB between Virgil and a player who is now assistant manager is stark to say the least though.

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26 Feb 2014 09:55:29
I see Willie collumn self grabbing the headlines for the wrong reasons again allows a goal when zenit striker is beyond goalie+offside and gives a pen for zenit striker flinging himself into Dortmund defender? Poor excuse of a ref? Then u question the so called top Scots refs showing in Aberdeen lastnight

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Hes hopelessness personified!

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26 Feb 2014 07:33:58
Lenny spitting the dummy yet again! I thought he'd grown up but apparently not. It's days like these when I cringe because I have to read the old generic excuses about how "my team were fantastic" but the referee stopped us winning. It's nonsense! This is the result of the board refusing to splash the cash, pure and simple. Now that this run is over we can finally be honest and admit this season has been a total failure.

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26 Feb 2014 00:53:09
Some of you lot on here really crack me up! All I ever hear is greetin & wingeing about this that & the next thing! Yes we got beat tonight & have had a relatively poor season. Yes lenny is far from perfect & makes decisions that baffle most of us (i.e samaras), but talk about a knee-jerk reaction over tonight's game! If your going to blame anyone for tonight, blame big Virgil for a ridiculous, stupid sending off before the game had even got going! And blame ref for some shocking decisions! I personally have seen signs of improvement over the last few weeks (cup game excluded). All you ever read on this site is constant negativity, sometimes warranted, sometimes moaning for moaning's sake! Can we not get behind the team?

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Rory if u would class this season as 'relatively poor' then i'd fear 2 see what your idea of a really poor season is tbh cause this season has been a total shambles. Out 2 domestic cups at home an abysmal cl showing stale league performances and constant favouritism towards certain players, new signings hardy kicking a ball, apart from fisher ther has been NO youth development in the 1st team squad. Then we are bombarded with this unbeaten league run and clean sheet p1sh 2 try and take the fans focus off the fact that we are rank rotten. If u class all that as a relatively poor season then good on ye mate cause I certainly don't i'd class it as an unexceptable season that both the board and lennon have 2 take the blame for

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A take back the rank rotten part that was a bit 2 far

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@rory blair another pro-lennon out the woodwork, who is too blinkered to see how abysmal team actually is. Dry your eyes and get a sense of reality

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It's anything but a knee jerk reaction Rory. This is the result of a poor style of play, mindboggling team selections, favouritism, poor use of substitutions, tactical blindness, lack of investment, inability to use fringe/youth players, embarrassing results, among other things. Look at my post about Dortmund's transfer activity, look at Che's post about Olympiakos' finances. As Che said, CL quality players are well within our budget. To say we're exceeding expectations by qualifying for the CL Group Stage is just a lie NL and PL have being feeding the apologists in our support and they're buying in to what they're preaching. These two men are holding our club back, it's time for a change from top to bottom! Fans are rapidly losing interest in Scottish football, some going as far as buying a ST to only go to CL qualifiers, Flag Day, 3 CL Group Stage games and the trophy presentation - no doubt those fans would be at Cup Final's too if our manager knew how to get to one of these. Celtic have reached a UEFA Cup Final and the CL Last 16 on 3 occasions since 2003 through investing in the playing squad, so if Desmond isn't willing to consistently bankroll European football for us after Christmas then it's time for him to go too!

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Agree 100% GunnieBhoy, our expectations are being constantly eroded, what next.

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Totaly agree rory, the negativity on here can get to much. Now there's people accusing you of being "pro lenny" lol, because you support your team/manager through thick and thin. Guy's its called being a celtic fan, who cares about wether the board spend 5m or 100k on a player. The quicker Rangers get back the better tbh. Maybe the fans will start showing a bit of solidarity with the manager and players and we can get back to just playing football. Sick of hearing "lenny must go" or "sack the board"

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If it's called being a Celtic fan why are you bringing Sevco into it Darren? I've noticed it's all the Lennon/Lawwell apologists that always bring them up, whereas supporters that are screaming out for change are only bothered about OUR club.

There were fans who backed the Kellys and their appointment of Terry Cassidy and we all know how that worked out for them.

So are you a Celtic supporter or a Sevco hater/lover and if it's the former why not just stick to talking about Celtic?

"The quicker Rangers get back the better tbh"

I'm sick of reading Celtic fans harping on about Sevco, you should be embarrassed for even typing that!

What reasons do you have for showing solidarity to Neil Lennon?

His results in cup competitions is diabolical....

The football on show is unimaginative, predictable and boring....

His signings are hit and miss...

His insistence on playing his favourite players regardless of situation or form....

We went from one of our best ever European results to our worst in one year - against the same team.....

The deterioration of standards throughout the club, on and off the field...

OR and I wonder how many will admit it...

Should we blindly back Lennon because of his Irish background and the fact he has had to face some terrible situations in his personal life from low-life idiots?

I can only speak for myself on the matter Darren, it's nothing personal against Neil Lennon, I just don't think he is capable of taking the club forward and I can't see anything to indicate things will improve while he is in charge.

Would you class this season as a success and are you optimistic about the short term future?

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@darrenbhoy so its all negative then that lennon is running club into ground and is out his depth? Typical comment from the minority of supporters who have an emotional attachment to lennon and are quite happy to plod along watching the club play poor football, sign players who are nowhere near a standard, hindering youth development and having no clue as to tactics.

Solidarity? Lennon has had 4 years and season by season the rot is getting worse. Time for lennon to go

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Darrenbhoy, it will be a very sad day when a team from Ibrox is ever playing in the same league as us. It will prove that cheating is acceptable and works.

I hope their new club dies too, we have survived and all the other clubs have survived playing by the rules.

No room for cheats, bullies and liars. I hated them in their previous entity, I hate them in their present guise and I hope I never have to hate them in the future. They are dead and can stay dead, burning and rotting in the cess pit sh*t/hell hole that they call the big hoose!

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Wow you guys seem mad. I don't know were you got off looking down your noses at other fans tbh. Many people don't care what goes on behind the scene's. You guys are good celtic fans and that's great. But for a lot of us it isn't about the politics between board and manager. We work all week then get to watch our team play at the weekend. We also have a ton of other important things in our lifes and just don't find the time to both support our team and hate the manager/board etc. I thnk many celtic fans are just bored without rangers tbh and are creating drama cause they miss not having any. The football isn't great and I agree maybe it is time for lenny to move on. Its more about the youth situation for me though. I want someone who isn't afraid to blood our youth in games soo we are more like say ajax. We have all the facilities and James forrest is the only one that's made it so far? Mcgregor being sold? watt load and griffths brought in. I have plenty of reason to want lenny to leave, I just don't ram them down peoples throat. Stop looking down on and calling other fans names because they want to support their team a diffrent way from you.

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There's nobody talking down their nose to anyone Darren and I can't see where anyone is calling you any names.

The "Celtic fans are moaning because they miss Sevco" pish is getting old now, as I said it is always the manager/board apologists that bring it up. I support Celtic, that's it for me mate.

You say there are many people who don't care what goes on behind the scenes but I would say there are Celtic fans who are more concerned what is going on at Ibrokes behind the scenes than they are at their own club.

If they put the same effort into looking at Celtic we might not have as many divisions in the support.

The fact there is no Sevco to challenge us just highlights how poor Lennon's trophy return really is.

Finally nobody is ramming anything down anyone's throat, and if passing their opinion means they are then you are doing the exact same. You can't have it both ways and nobody is forcing you to read it.

If you aren't overly concerned why even comment?

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Jings crivvens help ma boab lol listen to yourselves, "rank rotten, deteriation in standards, pro lennon, running club into ground, no clue in tactics, the rot is getting worse. I could a swore I was on the cetic page and not on a diddy teams page from across the city. You are sounding like sevco fans. lighten up we are celtic follow thro and thro. We lost a game WOW it happens we have no divine right to win every game. OH and by the way if the standards are when we lose we are "rotten" then when we win most o the time we must be brilliant, just don't see those posts guys lol.

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How are we looking down our noses at fans? You can't expect to have a dig about a post "pro-lennon" and not get a reaction.

Do you think you are the only one who works all week and looks forward to games at weekend? You should care about how club is being run and how money generated from supporters who have worked all weeks money is spent.

I will support any manager who is performing to a satisfactory standard and lennon is not doing this, so you can understand why majority want him out.

It would of been interesting to see your views on subject, when mowbray was in charge.

Bit of a hypocritical statement at end of post. Is that not what you are doing just now? Judging fans on the other side of fence cause views are not the same as yours?

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@12 Rayman the only one sounding like a Sevco fan is yourself with your everything's fine, nothing to see here attitude.

It's nothing to do with losing ONE game, the only person who cared about an unbeaten run was the egotistical manager. It's about the overall performance of the team throughout the season which is nowhere near good enough.

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar!

So where does the buck stop for that, at the supporters I suppose, probably the GB's fault eh?

Now pipe down like a good little customer..

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Rayman yet again another fan who has 2 bring up that other team. Same old rubbish whenever anyone questions the board or management. If u had read previous posts u would have seen that fans wer moaning even when we wer winning due 2 the style of play, starting 11 and substitutions so your point makes no sense

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Rayman you sound like a company man and not a supporter. Maybe you are happy to sit back and watch club slump, but attendances show majority are not.

Its nothing to do with losing one game, its the general state of team with lennon in charge.

Why mention sevco? You obsessed?

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Sevco there I mentioned them lol. Che, are u serious? YOU talk about them I know that for a fact, every celtic fan talks about them its what football fans do. We talk about our team and other teams aswell its what football is all about.Nowhere did I say everything was rosie. egotistical manager? gee us peace loads o fans wanted to remain unbeatenso we could be called the invincibles and I damn sure the players did because pros are competitive.Kp now the club is in a SLUMP lol seriously? Maybe the football is not to your liking but a slump I don't think so.Club never been and a better position, Obsessed? because I mention them read half the posts on here and my openin sentences. YOU are 1 of them lol.

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{Ed007's Note - The Invincibles lmfao! I can just picture the cringy T-shirts.}

I think we can safely put Rayman into the category of soup-taking blind faith.

The club has never been in a better position, will we just ignore

- No domestic cups, beaten at home by Morton and Aberdeen.

- Dwindling crowds and the day tripping supporters who sit with their half and half scarves, are too busy on Twitter or taking pictures to actually support the team.

- The deterioration in quality of the playing staff.

- Our worst ever result in European competition.

- The divisions in the support.

- The manager's tactical ineptitude.

- The manager's team selection (Samaras last night as an example)

The only good point is the £21.3 million profit that was posted, but anyone with even half a brain can see the only reason we have that money is because the board have not reinvested in the squad to an acceptable level.

Far too many supposed Celtic fans sing from the same apologist hymn sheet;

- We need/miss Rangers/Sevco.

- We don't spend money because we don't want to end up like Rangers.

- We are lucky to just be participating in the Champions League.

Maybe you miss Sevco Rayman but don't tar all Celtic fans the same when there are plenty on here who disagree with you and your PLC apologist agenda.

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Rayman, "club never been in a better position" really? A would have thought being in Europe after Xmas, still challenging for the treble, would be a better position? Or are you talking finances? Never mind the result on a Saturday, much is in the bank peter.

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You can tell every poster on here cares for there club. From those that follow regardless of on field scores and performances to those who pay there hard earned cash and expect a helluva lot more than a league title ( and let's face it, we have the league won before the first game is played ), so cup games and Europe are really the main things to look forward to.

I ( my opinion ) never really cared for Lennon the player never mind Lennon the manager. He may be in some people's eyes a Legend, not even close in mine.

Without the club formally known as Rangers, I am afraid to say our league is poor and that I would prefer them to be in our league as I do miss the rivalry and the great sense of delight after an Old Firm win, even miss the pre match butterflies and the drinking sessions with my mates.

In our league we should really be ultra attacking in everygame. We don't need 4 defenders and one thing for sure is we cannot play with 1 striker.

The only things that will see a packed Paradise on match day 1 next season in my eyes will be a new manager, with a major signing and free flow attacking football

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Che, you need to smell the coffee. Every team in every sport NEEDS competition and more important RIVARLY that's where it counts. We don't have competition and you're surprised/dismayed by the staleness of it all but of course we are not allowed to even mention THEM. I bet a few years ago you were raving (quite rightly) to anyone that would listen that the old firm game was the the best In the world.And of course you would have been lookin forward to every 1 o them just like me.So chill mate it will happen soon enough even when they are clearly not good enough itwill still be great takin 5 or 6 off them.Thats when the real fun starts in the meantime we can't win no matter what happens because if we do win the treble they will only say its about time.

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Another post all about Sevco from the PLC apologist soup-taker Rayman. I notice you don't really make any points, it's all bluster and hot air and you can't respond to any points made to you.

If you ever want to talk about Celtic give me a shout, you do know that there is a Sevco page don't you?

I'm sure you have PLENTY in common with the posters on there.

The Old Firm was arguably the best derby in the world but, and you might want to sit down for this part, there is NO Old Firm any longer, there is NO Rangers any longer, they were liquidated. We will NEVER play THAT Rangers again.

Do you need a minute for that to sink in?

If you want to aid them in the myth that they are the same team, club or company that is your choice.

Thankfully there are plenty of Celtic supporters that know and accept the truth, and not just about Rangers death but about their own clubs failings as well.

Who knows, when Sevco are eventually in the same division as Celtic you will be able to sit in with the rival fans, there might even be a half and half scarf on sale!

The big question is will you cheer Sevco seeing you are going to be so delighted to see them?

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Well said Che, Rayman you really need to reassess what the team that once played out of ibrox would bring to our league. Bigoted bile and nothing else. The fans spoke in 2012, the fans from all the clubs in our division. No one wants them and no one cares about them except a deluded minority.

Celtic players are professionals, they should take pride in their work/game, show a commitment and hunger, show that spirit and resolve we had during our darkest hour.

We are not complaining over results, we are dissatisfied with NL over a huge number of issues, all very valid.

You cite lack of domestic competition as the reason we're so poor, well guess what, Aberdeen are competition, very welcome competition and they don't fear us one bit.

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Aberdeen are competition are you havin a laff, they will be 20 points behind us this season and every season thereafter.Che you really nee to take that bitter hat off, we all know they died but when they play us I bet you are 1st in lne to buy a ticket. Why would that be lol?No matter what we say it will be dressed up as old firm and you kow it. Sly will make sure of that. My POINT is all you ever do is slag celtic you call yourself a supporter but have nothing positive to say.You need to be realistic you have no idea about our finances and how to control them or how to manage our team or you would be in those jobsYou are just a typicall fan with nothing to say because its all negative.Is there nothing about our greatclub you are proud of?

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Bad bhoy you say no one cares about playing rangers that is bull. Our club is losing all direction because we don't have a competitive edge domestically the fans have turned their backs in their thousands. Yes there are more issues like style tactics youth gb and spending having an effect but in all honesty the sooner sevco or rangers or whatever you wish to call them are back in top flight the better only when we are challenged will people come back. Aberdeen will probably end up 30 points behind us that's not a challenge.

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Rayman and Jim1972, how can you dismiss Aberdeen as not being competition, they've beaten ut twice this season playing the better football.

We are losing direction because our manager is tactically inept and out players are technically inept. Most supporters wouldn't care who we play once they are being entertained.

Maybe the Ed might put up a poll to see if we want rangers or King United or whatever back. I certainly don't want them back.

As far as I can recall Rangers were there too when Morbray was in charge and attendance dropped then too, why Crap football and crap results.

When was the last time a Celtis team really entertained you playing football the Glasgow Celtic Way.

The club doesn't need Rangers, the League does not need Rangers and this fan does not need Rangers

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Badbhoy it is easy to dismiss aberdeen they are 21 points behind us and we are under no illusion that we are a good team. Remember in a twelve team league someone must finish second this year it looks like aberdeen but they are not competing for the title. On one off games anything can happen and nl has a record of poor results in cup competitions. I for one would like a change in our approach by bringing in a continental coach as we have become stale and predictable which is why so many people with season tickets aren't turning up . Ps celtic better hope rangers get back ASAP as income is likely to drop drastically if attendances don't pick up which will have an impact on player recruitment and wages and god forbid we don't qualify for cl

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Che, 5 posts from you recently not 1 positive thing to say. Do you go to games? Do you not see good play or good goals sometimes.Or even good players.The MAJORITYof fans sing Neil Lennons name nearly every wk, that doesn't sound like the fans want him out.I think your lookin for perfection let me know when you see it, and stay away from the window mate.

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Yes I do go to games Rayman, home, away and Europe depending on my shifts but would you mind explaining what has that to do with anything?

Are you one of those soup-taking uber fans that think fans who don't go to games aren't allowed an opinion? There are people who can't afford to go to games that are better supporters than you, you are nothing but a customer to the PLC board who follows on blindly... BAAA!!

Do you even cheer or get off your seat when Celtic score?

Why don't you actually make at least one single point to counter all of mine?

I know why, you can't! You're rabbiting on with a lot of pish trying to deflect the facts. Your PLC apologist agenda makes me, and plenty others, sick to our stomachs.

Look through the posts and you will see you are in the minority.

Name one thing that has been positive over this season?

- A league title that we were always going to win?

- Money in the bank to the detriment of the playing staff?

People like you don't deserve a club like Celtic.

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Che, Minority? There is a few posters on here who think like you maybe 5 or 6. Last time I looked there were hundreds o thousands o celtic fans.do the math lol. Point? The only point I was making was to defend the team I love from your negativity.I sure you do this yourself against fans of other teams.Now you have lowered yourself to personal insults can you not have a debate without that.It tells me your opinion is the only 1 that matters. "People like u don't deserve a club like Celtic" Really? If I bein honest you are very literate for a primary school boy now grow up.

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26 Feb 2014 00:34:49
There are no acceptable excuses for the farce our season has become. An unbeaten run that excited the manager more than the fans has ended, there is nothing left to play for but I doubt Neil Lennon will use the remaining games to blood any youngsters. The quicker this season ends the better but if Lennon stays on as manager it will only get worse, there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

To put things in a better perspective for all the Lennon and Lawwell apologists, here is a breakdown of Olympiacos, the richest club in Greece, spending over the last two years yet some of our supporters bleat on about how lucky we are just to be playing in the Champions League.

Market spend 2012/2013: €4.000.000
Market spend 2011/2012: €6.000.000

2012/2013 salary: €18.000.000
2011/2012 salary: €23.000.000
Difference: -21.7%

Highest paid player 2012/2013: Paulo Machado (€1.500.000)
Highest paid player 2011/2012: Olof Mellberg (€1.500.000)

It jut shows you what can be achieved with a tactically astute manager and that Champions League quality players are well within our budget, or at least should be. To say we are lucky to even be allowed to qualify is just another myth that gets thrown around and a large section of the support have bought into.

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The grassroots in Scotland needs to change for the betterment of all our teams and national team. Get our kids playing football and off their backsides, then we won't need to worry what teams from Greece are doing. It does appear olympiacos have several players from Spain, Brazil and Argentina though . Regardless it's not just a lennoxtown problem it's a national problem. If we can't qualify for the World Cup for 16 years why do we deserve to be producing great domestic football, we are just going to buy it always? I agree the management should be producing better but we should start with better home grown talent and a bigger pool of young players in the game.

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Che, they have a Manager who's Managed in La Liga and the Greek winners don't have 3 qualifying rounds - they're guaranteed a place in the group stages making it a bit easier to attract players.

Was Lennon 'tactically astute' last season?

Man Utd didn't have a great game last night but not to take anything away from Olympiacos, they took their chances.

Agreed you can get so far in the Champions League with a good tactician and good luck.

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Well said Che, decent example too.

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Thanks for that Che, that about sums it up in black and white, what more proof do we need that Lennon is not up to the task.

I wonder if it was say Owen Coyle or Robert Martinez in charge would our results and performances have been acceptable.

Detach all the emotional hysteria that follows Neil Lennon and judge the performances not the individual.

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@2 there is nothing stopping celtic from getting a manager of la liga calibre. If they can sanction some of the dross players lennon has signed like bangura £2.2m plus wages, then paying for quality shouldn't be an issue.

Management must be sorted first to the standard our club should be at. i'm not talking about taking CL by storm every season, realistically at least make an appearance in knockout stages of europa league.

As long as we have right man for job, 3 knockout stages shouldn't be anything to worry about, as there will be faith in managers abilities. Players will be more tempted to sign, if they are playing for a manager with a reputation. Lennon does not have this, hence why griffiths was signed.

Lennon has never been tactically astute, wanyama carried team through CL last season.

Guarantee if board splash cash for a quality proven manager, everything will fall into place

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Mrs E I think we all know Lennon wasn't tactically astute last season, he had better players available to pick from and playing Ambrose against Juve proved, once again, he really hasn't got a clue when he needs to think and and try to outsmart other managers.

Oh I forgot, we beat Barca and that makes him a tactical genius in some fans book, we will just gloss over the humping off them this year though shall we?

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Que the "but he was a legendary player/captain" and "he's been put through Hell for Celtic" posts, which also (in some fans eyes) mean poor results and current form are irrelevant because he's Neil Lennon. Celtic to the core.

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Yeah Hamilton Bhoy, shame on you, you are not a true supporter and you should be sacraficed at first light tomorrow for your sins!

I agree 100%, let's base the criteria for suitability for the manager of our great football club on ability and results or Should we just ask Billy McNeill to come back, he's more Celtic than Neil Lennon or so I heard!

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