Celtic Banter Archive August 26 2015

26 Aug 2015 22:44:07
Taking into account the league we play in the TV money attracting good players to the club etc I strongly believe we are getting little back for our loyal support over the last number of years. I'm not talking crazy money and getting into debt but sometimes as a football club you have to take a gamble, how many times year in year out coming into transfer seasons we got nothing but over the top speculation, Desmond needs to come out and tell us his ambition if any for our club, as long as this goes on we will continue to decline. Maybe something in the form of an official boycott to leg the board know our feelings etc, through the supporters clubs done in a small way to start off. We need a supporters debate about what to do. Last night after the game Neil lennon was put on the spot, why he left the club etc he more or less said we were selling our best players etc. back shortly

27 Aug 2015 15:29:19
The reason we sell our best players is because ,when English teams start showing an interest the wages factor takes over.No footballer in their right mind would knock back the money on offer down south and that applies to anyone on this site in employment.As I have said in previous posts this is scottish football,at present a backwater and laughed at,so who can blame them for wanting to leave.As big as celtic are,we just can't compete.killy.

26 Aug 2015 21:12:09
I just wondered what people thought of Andy Walkers comments on Sky this morning.
He said that Celtic have better players than Malmo, but the difference between the teams was that their manager was able to comes up with a plan to win the tie where as our manager didn't have the tactical knowledge to compete.
He also said that a lot of our fans have been hoodwinked into thinking that we have an exceptional manager, when in truth any manager in the SPL would win the league with our players, and with our resources.
I have been thinking about this a lot today, and although I really want to back the manager, when you look at our European results under Ronny, it's quite hard to argue that he has a point.

26 Aug 2015 21:34:22
I never really take pundits opinions seriously but he is spot on with this

26 Aug 2015 21:46:50
I've said something similar, Malmö manager changed things in 2nd half of 1st leg, and had solid plan for 2nd leg, we never, same set up with a couple of changes in personnel, that arguably weekend the team.
That been said, I've never bought into the hype surrounding Rd, but I've warmed to him, think we have to keep him (providing we get league & at least a cup) because what he's trying to do, can't be done in a couple of seasons, but football fans are fickle, and run out of patience quickly.

26 Aug 2015 22:01:46
If he said this then as I indicated further down to teams managed by 2 Norwegians , 2 swedes in each team , 2 Norwegians in each team, bit of a far contest IMO we have more resources they were further into there season

But RD out thought/witted/foxed by a much more experienced manager last night at half time we offered no change / no plan B

So agreed with Bigbhoy never pay much attention but there mileage in that being said

But Bigbhoy you are going to need to do something about that Mark Warburton lookalikey avatar mate :=D

26 Aug 2015 22:06:41
Andy walker even though people mite not want accept it,is totally spot on with his comments! U give Mcinnes neilson McNamara Hartley or any other young Scottish manager our squad and budget and they would win the league and odd cup! U just can't argue with that! our whole focus is on CL! We went out twice last year and we put it down to rd just comin in! But to again go out this year,and the manner in which we went out! It was with a whimper! No urgency no shots on goals no goalmouth scrambles tryin to get back in it! It really is worrying! And he's also right when he says man for man we're better than malmo! But I don't think by much! I've watched teams come to Celtic park,Astra d Zagreb Salzburg quarabag Maribor! Not teams with world class players but every one of them gave us a lesson on passing and keeping compact and not getting flustered! Watch all these games back and u'll see what I mean! A certain points in all those games we've been chasing shadows! But when we get the ball everything is rushed and we can't even make 10 yard passes! There's no guile or savvy from us! It's all rushing about trying to get rid of the ball as fast as we can! I'm not asking for the manager to get sacked or anything like that! But he must deliver the treble and get out the EL group! And I was a bit confused with his comments about the CL being everything in Scotland and that pressure makes it harder for the players! I'm sorry but his remit is to get us to CL group stages! If the players can't handle the pressure of going to face Malmo needing only a draw to get through then they shouldn't be here!

26 Aug 2015 22:07:58
Well never heard it but hell startin to think that's spot on hell slug 2 would do it wee jakie also would do well hope to god we are not going down a very bad route hail hail

26 Aug 2015 22:11:47
im not saying he's a great manager but the usual bias towards the huns is unbelievable. We went out and supposedly got a young fresh manager with modern ideas to training . He's had a decent enough season last year and probably should have had a treble. ( hardly any praise from the hacks). The Huns go out and get in their new manager with what seems like the same traits and he's praised to the rooftops by McCann and so on after a petrofac cup win and a few wins in the championship against teams they should be beating. Makes me cringe how up their arse they are. Hard to believe McCann used to support us before he went to the dark side

26 Aug 2015 23:14:25
The problem is there's not a plan b never changes the formation always 451 so any opposition already know what way we are gonae play a would like to see us play 352

26 Aug 2015 23:23:47
That's not entirely true. We have gone 2 up top in games. The problem now is do we have 2 strikers and if we play them that means taking Johansen out of his best position.

26 Aug 2015 23:38:45
What good is it being 2 nil up and then draw or lose goals which we do now at an alarming rate a good manager will protect the lead at 2 nil keep it tight and then hit on counter attack were getting found out des mate

27 Aug 2015 00:03:22
Quin please forget about the huns,sit down and relax,and put them out of your mind,do not pay any attention to what a team in the lower divisions is doing,think about what is happening at Celtic,Ronnie has to concentrate on winning the europa league now,and why not?forget all these doommongers we have the players to go all the way,its up to Ronnie ,he is the one whose performance has been the most pathetic,all he has to do is start acting like a football manager who knows what he is doing.

27 Aug 2015 00:19:44
it is an extreme rarity to play two strikers. As for Johanssen he is very poor and needs to be taken out of that position. He consistently gives the ball to the opposition

27 Aug 2015 03:02:23
Aindoh , do u honestly think that we have a squad to win the Europa league?? If u do is say u r in a minority by about 97%

28 Aug 2015 00:28:03
There is a reason Andy walker is a bit part pundit . Nobody considered him as management material .

26 Aug 2015 19:37:01
Forgive me if I'm living in the past but when Martin o,Neil was manager he got £30 million to go get the likes of hartson,Sutton,Lennon etc if you look at other teams 15 years ago they've all kicked on and got better so why have the board made us go backwards

26 Aug 2015 20:34:53
I think you will find that although O'Neil spent a lot of money , he didn't spend £30m .
At that time Celtic had the spending power of a mid table EPL team . Now Celtic's spending power is roughly the equivalent of a mid table Div 1 team .
This is not Celtic's fault rather the affect of EPL Sky and sponsorship deals , added to the long term austerity in Scotland .
O'Neil's spending very nearly brought Celtic under financially and it took cost cutting throughout the WGS and Lennon reigns to bring the finances under control .

26 Aug 2015 20:56:02
If the figures branded about that we made nearly £60 million from champions league and selling players then why not for one season go and gamble £15 million of that for a couple of half decent players, what springs to mind is the juventus game a couple of years ago it's as if Desmond was just happy to be in the last 16 instead of trying to go one better

26 Aug 2015 21:07:00
Och Old Bhoy I tink it was Cilla who summed it up with that cracker what's it all about Alfie.

28 Aug 2015 00:37:38
Rolypolyhatrick , I don't understand your point but I wouldn't have thought she would have been on the Celtic supporter's side . Wasn't Shea Tory .

26 Aug 2015 19:00:24
Hi all saying I am totally gutted is an understatement we were total gash last night. can't pin point on who is to blame THE BOARD? RD? or THE PLAYERS? or all of the above. One thing is for sure we will have to sort this out now before we go any further backwards the rest of the SPL teams are not that much far behind us and that is why average teams in Europe like Malmo can beat us over 2 legs no real investment no plan B no fight in the team defending on set pieces is a joke Sorry just letting of some steam

26 Aug 2015 20:39:22
If our manager and players cannot beat a team like Malmo without investment , then I wouldn't trust the manager with much investment .
Throwing good money after bad isn't the answer . Let the manager prove that he is bringing the team forward and then support him .

26 Aug 2015 21:27:46
So you would not bring in any new players in? Do you really think we should not invest in the team? Old Bhoy are you a member of the Board?

26 Aug 2015 18:30:58
Can anyone imagine Big Jock , Billy McNeill or even MON putting a team on the pitch in a vital European game that was scared of the opposition. Seriously!!.

Never mind the tactical deficiencies this is a catastrophic failure of man management. I suspect this will create a split now between the coaching staff and the players. He basically publically called them out as cowards

26 Aug 2015 19:48:08
We as fans complain when a manager comes out and says something completely different from what the fans witness over 90 mins. Personally I feel ronny has probably held back in saying how he really felt. Whilst I admit he isn't completely faultless those players to a man last night were a disgrace to the jersey, even Broonies the club captain says he was embarrassed! That tells it's own story. The bottom line is that performance last night was nothing short of a disgrace!

26 Aug 2015 19:49:19
Correct

I believe there has been a split behind the scenes for sometime especially with Collins and rd they seem to be on different pages at press conferences

Commons out already to dispel the fear factor a player for sometime that seems to have underlying issues with rd

On that front I met commons playing golf after the quarabag game. Rd stays at the course I jokingly said he should stop by for his dinner. He drew his eyes never thought much of it but starting to think there is no love lost between the 2

26 Aug 2015 19:51:04
Read what Chris Commons says. According to Commons The players didn't know whether to try and defend the 3-2 lead or try to score and kill off the game? So he says in the Daily Record? So didn't RD tell them exactly what the game plan was or do they not listen to him? Just thought it was a strange comment to make?

26 Aug 2015 20:16:56
My point it is alright being honest about the failings, however it is his job to have the players motivated. If they were scared and stressed then they were not properly prepared. A scared team us the managers responsibility

26 Aug 2015 20:26:04
I listened to commons interview tonight johnny and what commons actually said was from his point of view personally he didn't feel scared etc. this report in the paper has had a spin put on what commons actually said m8

26 Aug 2015 20:39:50
Groutdoc
I don't think RD accused the players of being scared or afraid of Malmo, it was the occasion more than the other team. At least that's how I read it.

28 Aug 2015 01:01:53
Big Jock sent out a team in the European Cup final completely unprepared for the task in hand . The team was slaughtered all over the pitch and lost the game in injury time . The players and most of the fans blamed big Jock , but his head wasn't demanded .

26 Aug 2015 16:57:36
So Darnell fisher on loan to St Johnston for a season at least the Bhoy will get an oppertunity to play and should see what he's made of!

26 Aug 2015 16:48:55
Just finished work and i'm still fuming with that heartless performance last night worst game a have seen from a celtic team in a while been getting it stinking in my work all day. We need investment urgently we needed it before these cl qualifiers everybody except donkey lawell could see we are a few players short done same shit as last year no buying anybody and its back fired big style. This is not acceptable anymore board need to get the finger out or sod off

26 Aug 2015 16:11:44
Been ova on the dark side for a laugh and bhoy did I get one they want us in the leaguec cup hell the still have a game to play lol also sayin they could do a poor celtic team also givin it it up to them to do something about the co efficent something else still cany believe last night kinda avoiding speakin about it oh well europa it is then hail haill

26 Aug 2015 17:16:48
If Sevco had put in a performance like we did last night I'd be optimistic about our chances against them too.

26 Aug 2015 15:14:10
So under Ronny I have been watching as a season ticket holder for 2 years. I think we have stalled a little and I though that at the starjnan game.

It only needs a small tweak in my opinion in europe only.

We need to resort to 3 centre halves, and wing backs.

Izzy/Janko/GMS/Forrest can easily adopt to these wing back roles. Then they have the security that we are tighter with 3 centre halves.

This would allow us to play 3 in midfield, then we can have an attacking midfielder and a striker.

Ideally the following:

Gordon

Lustig, VVD, Boyata

Janko/Forrest GMS/Izzy
Bitton, Brown, Johannson

Attacking Midfielder

Forward

5-3-2 attacking formation. It would allow us to be tighter at the back but allow the wingbacks to go for it when the opportunity arises.

26 Aug 2015 16:32:12
Cant you see gbhoy. The players aren't good enough and our head coach is worse.

26 Aug 2015 18:18:36
That is not a tweak that is a major change of the system and the manger will never do this, that is going to be the problem. We maybe and it is only maybe get away with it in Scotland but against better opposition it is tactically inept and to a degree arrogant to think we can play with such an open formation and expect to win

26 Aug 2015 20:56:26
Gaelicbhoy have you not went with 12 men .?

26 Aug 2015 14:43:08
Still very upset and disappointed and hardly slept last night and got up at 6am with a CL hangover -
The joys of loving Celtic.
The manager will not be sacked, but he will have to take a long hard look at his methods and tactics as it is obvious we have not improved.
Yes, it's tough to play 3 qualifiers at the start of a season, but he maintained we were fit and ready and had no excuses. We don't want excuses - we want the players to play in this high tempo, slick, attacking style you promised, but have not delivered.

So fearful of the tie, he rested, almost a full team at Tannadyce and every one of them, with the exception of Gordon and Forrest were absolutely rotten.
The damage may have been done in the first leg with all those mistakes, but we still held an advantage and needed to defend properly and score an away goal.
Epic Fail.

Now we have the EL with the 'bonus' of Sunday SPL fixtures, where we play catch up with any rivals and have another go at the elusive treble and to be honest it's hard at the minute to feel enthusiastic.
VVD will be offski soon and then we can perm any four from Lustig, Ambrose, Boyata, Janko, Mulgrew and Izzy - with Tierney and O'Connor?
Our rivals are rubbing their paws.

It really doesn't matter if we do sign anyone else before the end of the 'window' as the signings up to now haven't set the heather on fire and it's a bit late for token gestures from a patronising board.

Sort it out soon RD as you're in danger of becoming a 'Swede' (Tumshie)

26 Aug 2015 16:17:05
I know that we are all hurting from last night. Allowing a few hours to pass and thinking about the game ( it's all I have thought about since last night) I know Ronnie will not be sacked right now as he has 2 years left on his contract and PL was the one who brought him in so he probably needs Ronnie to take the flack but PL is as much to blame as Ronnie.
I hate his formation. Not because it can't work but after 12 months the players still look as if they have no idea how to break a team down if they sit in. Let's be honest.
1. We can't pass a ball forward only back or across the park. 2. We move the ball too slowly.
3. We can't defend set pieces.
4.We have no one who can open up a defence apart from Forrest ( so that tells you something).
5. Commons was scoring 25 to 30 goals a season. I know it's 2 years ago and he is older but he does not get closeany more and since Ronnie changed the way we play he just looks useless but this was a 30 goal a season player.
6. There is no passion, no fight ( apart from giving away stupid tackles).
7. We don't look organised and the gaps between the midfield and defense just leaves great big holes that decent teams just run into. I thought the idea is we all pushed up the park as a unit and squeezed the play? After a year we should understand what we are trying to do but I honestly feel the layers are not sure where they should be when the opposition have the ball.
I could go on. Since Ronnie took over the team is by and large the same as Lennon. different keeper, ledley away, but that's about it. The majority of players we signed ( June 2014) either permanent or loan players have all gone so that was a waste of time and money. Look at Berget last night he looked OK but when he played for us he was poor. Pukkie another player doing OK goal wise since he left. So we have brought in the Dundee Unt guys to add to the squad but it is basically the same squad with additions. No one fears coming to Celtic Park anymore apart from our supporters on European nights. The Ronnie experiment has failed. Nice guy but not a coach at European level. Henrik Larsson knew he was not ready for the job because he knew what he had to deliver if he took it on. Ronnie had no idea what he was taking on. I believe the ayers have not really got the confidence in the system. That is why they are scared ( according to Ronnie). Why are they scared? It can only be a lack of belief in the system.

26 Aug 2015 21:09:11
Johnnymac , I agree with all your seven points . We were too laborious getting the ball from the back four to our midfielders who too often gave the ball away and hence we didn't have any confidence and were unable to freely commit themselves into attack. Janko combined well From time to time getting in behind the full back but his inexperience and the slow build-up mean' t Malmo cut out his crosses easily .

This was a very inept performance, I don't think we saw such a performance coming .

26 Aug 2015 13:47:15
Was not surprised at result last night as I predicted after home tie against Malmo.

Time for DD, PL and JP to get to hell away from our club!

They are poison and yet you will still get some idiots singing their praises!

PL is in no way a good business man! He is very clever at PR propaganda. A few big money transfers and everyone thinks he is a hero! Well if you calculate all the transfers in/out over past 5 seasons, the average annual transfer income is approximately £2m per season! Hardly cause for doing backflips in jublitation is it? Shocking business accumen if someone can not see the obvious, spend £5m to guarantee £20m CL windfall

DD the lad is simply tighter than a crabs ar$e! Sees Celtic as a cashcow now that we have absolutely no competition in SPL. Its the old pals act with him. Only time he has ever "bent the rules" to sign quality was Robbie Keane and it was only because they were on friends terms.

John Park. really don't want to ruin my day anymore.

This is our club! Not these idiots! A revolt is only way we are going to get rid of these disgusting leeches!:

1. Boycott games
2. Boycott merchandise
3. Protest outside Celtic Park
4. Fan backed consortimum

We have to do this and unite if we are to progress. Its like the Kelly era allover again and what Fergus done for us is being disrespected

26 Aug 2015 14:47:36
What about Ronny don't blame his failing of which there are many on others. We aren't in the champions league because Ronny couldn't get a draw against Maribor at home! And couldn't beat Malmö and make the same mistakes every euro tie. If we finished bottom of cl groups thAt would be the boards fault but investment wasn't the primary fault against Maribor and Malmö Tony's tactics and player selections were. Or do you still trust in Ronny?

26 Aug 2015 15:18:07
Dn30 we are all annoyed by our owner and boards lack of ambition but we have a young squad and a young manager which is promising which has is a bit harder to say after last night! I do agree that our billionaire owner is as tight as a a crabs arse but boycotting our team? Who are we Rangers fans? we do need another head scout to work with JP and I think RD should be trusted with who he wants whether they are bargain buys or believe in his vision!

26 Aug 2015 15:26:17
DN30,
I find your comments a bit harsh and naive.
Do you really think a 5mil.signing would guarantee CL.if that was the case it would have been done long ago.

Celtic a cash cow? Don't think so,it's. Scottish Football we're talking about,have you got any idea how much Celtic get in every year including Tv,sponsorship,gate receipts.? I don't either but you can bet it doesn't come anywhere near enough to run the club.
Do you want to go down the Sevco road? Part of the income from transfers goes to offset the cost of keeping us a healthy business.

I am hurting just as much as any Celtic supporter,I want to see us in the CL,but at the end of the day I'm a realist,we're not good enough.
You are right some changes are required but not a revolution, talk of boycott and the like is overreacting and something that should not even be considered.
Now is the time to have a proper think about where we go from here and where we can improve our effort in European competition.
So DN30, go and have a beer and calm down,sit and think positively,
No more talk of revolutions
HH

26 Aug 2015 16:52:13
CostaTim a bit harsh and naive??

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out a small investment before CL qualifiers would of guaranteed progression againist a poor team like Malmo! LB, RB, CF and CB would of made us a hell of a lot stronger!

Yes I do know about TV revenue, I have spoke about it on several occasions it is buttons!

You say I should have a beer, well I think you should take your meds cause you are clearly off your rocker!

26 Aug 2015 17:05:01
Costa,
DN30 is from the People's Republic of Cork. All they think about is revolutions! lol

26 Aug 2015 17:40:41
DN30 It's called being realistic,
You've mentioned 4 positions there and "a small investment" Celtic have invested in 3 of those positions and all 3 players played last night and we are still out of the CL so much for your guarantee.

26 Aug 2015 12:31:32
Another shocking display last night no heart no quality and if the truth be told well beaten by at best an average team who have not a cat in hell chance of getting out of the group stage.So what has gone wrong at our club and how can it be fixed. To begin with I believe the reason this great club was founded has been lost it was always more than just about football,it was about people,it was about hope it was somewhere to go to brighten our lives.It was never meant to be a cash cow for individuals,it is clear that Dermot Desmond's only concern is in lining his own extremely deep pockets .Peter lawell is only doing his bidding and the worst part of it all is I believe under an owner who now and again would be willing to take a gamble,to give rather than take he would be excellent at his job.this club belongs to it fans who make sacrifices week in week out to give their support,the money we spend is in the hope we have a team we can be proud of,it is NOT to make people who make in a day what we make in a year richer,long after you have gone this great club and its fans will still be here,go now Dermot let someone who actually cares take the reins and the rest will take care of itself.

26 Aug 2015 12:50:33
be careful what you wish for!
thought you might have worked that out by now.

26 Aug 2015 11:21:24
Hi ed have been thinking this for a while now but not totaly sure and was wondering if you had a better insight

Everytime we qualify for champions lge or make huge money on selling players or both at same time. the nxt thing the club release figures saying we only made lyk 10 m profit

I remember us maling 50m the season we beat barca and in summer sold ki wanyamm wilso and hooper 5m was spent but wer the rest go??

6months later the club release new figers for the 6 months after that saying profits are down because we didn't reach cham lge but the facts wer we still made all the money that were not use to getting

I think board members and investers are creaming this club dry.

Do you no if all the investors who bought shares all those years ago are now reaping yearly rewards totaling to millions????

Hope you have the time to read this

Cheers

{Ed007's Note - If you have preference shares (guys like Dermot and Pedro) you get an annual dividend, the holders of ordinary shares - blokes like you and me - don't get paid anything.}

26 Aug 2015 15:35:20
Funny that

26 Aug 2015 17:53:02
Rangers had in a 3 year period done to us what you are having done over 50 years as far as I can see.

Do you remember the attendance figures in 60s? I was not blind I could see 55000 plus fans yet attendance figures thousands bellow that every game unless it was a total sell out which kind of scr*wed the bead counters

I have also noticed what one of your posters on here states that you were making millions from CL PLUS selling players on a huge profits such as Ki Wanyama Foster etc yet you profit numbers never seemed to show this.

I feel it is blatantly obvious the same scam being perpetrated as Green and his pals carried out at Rangers the difference at Ibrox was it was over such a short term and so blatant that no number cruncher on this planet could hide it from even your least sharp tack football fan.

I am not on here to gloat I am on here to point out something you lot seemed to gloss over when slagging your fellow Scots off as being unilaterally stupid/blind/thick by following these shysters like lambs to the slaughter unquestioning and naive to the core. What you fail to acknowledge and I feel has been your blindest sad judgment on us as fanatics for our football team, Rangers, is to forget that as in all matters of love it can be blind.Just because all the implications are that we are being shafted that hope and love led Bears to yes appear stupid and naive but it is not a fault loving, the fault is with the people carrying out the deception surely?

That is why I am on here now to say you lot need to get the boycott out now before Rangers come back to the SPFL. It is a far easier thing to boycott your team when he league is either 1. Relatively easy to win 2. Does not matter as much as in the lower leagues. Rangers would never have succeeded in a boycott had the SPFL title been at stake against Celtic.

I agree with your poster on here the best thing to happen for you would be Hearts winning the League (I would enjoy that for other reasons) and you get rid of current regime with the man that is attempting to manage you, he is average at best ANYONE and I actually include the worst Rangers manager in history McCoist could have won the league the last 3 years with zero credible opposition, with the possible exception of the Sheep last year.

It is a sign of how bad things are with your team that right now if questioned 99% of Rangers fans would say they would rather be us than you now. We have a semi organised support at last, the songs are starting to change to traditional positive ones and newer non bigoted songs, the board despite many doubts over King's suitability has done the correct thing invested in a talented management team having interviewed the best 5 candidates available, provided funding for clever signings from the English and Scottish leagues at sensible wages and most importantly put Rangers and the fans first not their own financial wellbeing. The current board are not receiving large wage packets and are not creaming bonuses off the top. Your board are it is the only explanation. They are also completely correct in not paying Ashley he is involved from the outset with Green and therefore potentially subject to Police investigation, who in there right mind would accept the terms of the Green/Ashley stitch up merchandise wise?

There you have it maybe now you might reflect and think you are actually following blindly yourselves and have been on the basis of trusting the board have your teams' interests at heart. Do they?

Ask yourselves this when they scoured the marketplace for a manager would you say Delilah was the best option or the cheapest option?

26 Aug 2015 11:59:57
everyone isjumping on the sack the board/ronny out wagon. however the main difference last night was that malmo wanted it and we looked like we couldn't be arsed. even brown looked bored. malmos team cost a fraction of ours yet they smashed us all over the park. first 15 mins of first leg the celtic players showed what they can do. second leg never showed up. so ronny sets out the gameplan. players concentrate and turn up = win. opposite happens = lose. ronnys fault or the lazy suckers that play in the hoops fault?

26 Aug 2015 12:47:19
It's ronnys fault I'm afraid bud! He's had 3 chances at getting in the CL and failed every time! If there was any hint of our players lookin bored or not up for it then at half time when we were only down by 1 and needed a goal to get through the managers job is to sort that out! If a team beats u because of quality then I hold my hands up! But to get out fought and out thought by a team of the standard of Malmo,who were no better than average imo! Then that just ain't good enough! The question is does RD deserve a 4th attempt at the CL? If he fails to get us a run in the EL and at leat the double then he has to go! Like I said,I like the guy! He's honest and open,but that doesn't make him a great manager! He's not been helped by the half wits in the board but he must carry the can for last nites shambles! It really was one of the most pathetic performances I've seen from a Celtic team! When u consider what was at stake!

26 Aug 2015 11:37:22
Just seen on TV (soon to be cancelled) that rvp was sold for £3.5m why weren't we in the running for him? I know he doesn't fit the transfer policy as there is no sell on, but he was exactly what was required. The cf position needs experience especially if playing as a lone striker. I know his wages would be high but given him a deal similar to nakamuras merchandise deal would cover it. Also help put bums on seats.

26 Aug 2015 12:13:46
He'll be on mega wages plus I doubt he'd want to play in Scotland. We need to show more ambition in the transfer market but within reason.

26 Aug 2015 12:32:19
Like your idea mady but RVP will be on well over 100 grand a week! We can't even 30 grand! And Belfast I'm afraid the only thing about our club that's big and on par with any of the elite is the fans! The same fans who season after season get shafted from Lawell and the rest! They don't deserve fans like us! We're what make Celtic admired world wide! Unfortunately on the park and in the boardroom it's a different matter!

26 Aug 2015 09:43:18
Here's a crazy idea I had when AmateurHorticulturalist took me on a sampling tour of his greenhouse. Bear with me. Or actually shoot me down just for the 'banter'.

Just reading some old news of Bolton fans setting up some sort of cash pool to sign Adam LeFondre. Now things must be as bad in the Bolton households as the Club's treasury because they raised a few grand. But Celtic?

Guessing the worldwide number of 'fans' is about as easy as guessing the Dulux colour tone of your next dump. But I think a conservative figure would be 500,000? So for arguments sake i'll just say that.

Now imagine your average working man chucked in a tenner. Then you've got your high-profile more mobey than sense bhoys. Rod Stewart could spend just one night away from a Vegas bar and chuck a few grand in. Heck if I knew it was worth it I'd throw a couple hundred in. I've spent that the past few months on polyester New Balance gear.

Now I know the obvious counter to this - 'why should we?' Well we shouldn't really. But I personally would see it as worthwhile under the current regime and environment. Just think of a player within reason you'd like and ask if you'd pay a tenner to see them in the hoops.

So, using a conservative fan base of 500k, and a rough average of 20 quid a man. My Casio reads that's £10m.

£10m every summer could get a good proven and experienced player in on a three or four year deal. After a few seasons you've got a good spine. The club could continue to use their own £2.5m ceiling to bring youth pedigree. The players bought might even turn in a good profit. Ed, DN30 or even Chris02 picks the targets of course. JP wouldn't be allowed to touch OUR budget.

Sorry for that. Taken up a bit of Paradisewon's post match journal space but like I said it was a crazy idea. Not sure if it's even possible with financial rules or UEFA sticking their nose in. Could it possibly effect the ownership status for better or worse?

Thoughts?

26 Aug 2015 10:37:22
Sounds like a cracking idea myself and I would most certainly buy into that IF I definitely knew the money was all going towards one decent quality player in a position we vitally needed strengthening. Especially a striker.

Has it ever happened anywhere else high profile though? I can't see it working though sadly but I'm pretty sure most of us would buy into this sort of thing for a tenner or so instead of wasting that tenner in the club shop just to fund our next Bangura/Pukki/Balde/Boerggter player. Still don't see it ever happening, who would be in charge of bringing the player in and scouting him makning sure it's a player most fans would want?

Anyway nice idea but sadly unrealistic imo.

26 Aug 2015 10:55:06
Jim its a great idea. I've said for years we should be doing this along with farming out our youngsters to foreign lands. My idea was 10 a month with a few hundred thousand fans eventually. Wud bring in a fortune. Problem is who runs it and who says where money goes.Suppose with the internet nowadays it might be easier.

26 Aug 2015 10:56:35
I think its a fantatic idea. it could be set up and managed by celtic supporter clubs so the board couldn't fiddle the money (shocking I think this of our own board) then handed in for transfers

26 Aug 2015 11:33:58
Virgil will go and the transfer money will be put towards covering the shortfall of us not qualifying , I know it , you know it , everybody knows it , I know Lawwell is merely a club employee working to a remit , the board gambled on qualifying with minimal investment in the team and yet again it has blown up in their faces , we have not really progressed at all under Deila and his style of play is not what Celtic fans are expecting to watch , our club is sliding backwards into mediocrity at an alarming rate!!
It is frustrating to watch .

26 Aug 2015 11:36:22
I get the sentiment of your idea but serious give millions of hard earned money to millionaires and billionaires?under your idea they would only cut somewhere else sadly

26 Aug 2015 11:54:24
I(f we could get 100 celtic minded millionaire to invest coca 1980s). Jim Tim are you Michael kelly in diguise

26 Aug 2015 15:29:25
Well the idea was that it ensures fans' money goes back into our team, rather than the pockets of the billionaires.

26 Aug 2015 21:32:02
My thoughts on this are different than yours , if I thought that the billionaires were getting a bigger slice of the cake than they deserved, I would be taking a long break from supporting Celtic .
Equally if I thought Deila hadn't been the players needed to beat Malmo over the two legs , I would be wondering about the manager .
I think the players and the manager are to blame .

26 Aug 2015 09:29:07
I agree tiny tim. It was the most soulless bunch of over paid lazy c--ts I have ever watched I am that disheartened with Celtic as a whole I gave my travel fund to my misses to go buy a new fire she has her eye on I don't care what any one else does but the Europa league. Is just not good enough Dermot Desmond has to go and bring those Irish money grabbing parasites with him we have known for years what they are all about but when Lennon moved alarm bells should have been too loud to ignore. Them at the top table seriously believe that the league and prob a cup is good enough for us me for one will not put one more penny in to Celtic till change the fact is we are pocket money to these parasites

26 Aug 2015 12:20:34
We have so many things to blame for this situation it's astounding. We have a squad who because there is no Rangers competition have taken their eye of the ball and pretty much lost their competitive edge. Any time we are asked a question in a pressurised game we fail to show up. As the league is a gimme for them with very little challenge. The board has failed us badly as well , that's 40 million we have probably thrown away in two seasons in games we should have won, let's be honest we were pleased to get past quarabag! no one had even heard of them until this season. If it's run as a business surely someone has to answer questions into y we can throw that sort of money away without really giving it a go. Is Ronny the answer really,? We all know he was way down the list and maybe u can see y or is it because we need to change 8-10 of the squad to become a hungry decent side again. ( which we won't pay out for ) I hate to say it but that result was expected by the majority of fans who were hoping for a result for us without too much faith that we could get it. I personally don't know how this rot is going to stop , but as u can tell I'm feeling deflated by it all.

26 Aug 2015 09:23:23
Following on from my other post about the general poor quality of most of our squad, we need change, RADICAL CHANGE if we are to improve and progress again on the park. Because this simply isn't good enough.

We need to try and offload the players who are going stale and past their sell by date, players that can't raise their games to suitable levels domestically never mind in Europe. If we need to go into a bit of debt then so be it but something has to change because the drop in quality over the last few years has been nothing short of disgraceful. I understand we can't return to the Larsson, Sutton and Hartson days but come on to eff. We have became a laughing stock in Europe and are no longer feared by even teams like Malmo, Legia and the likes anymore.

For the sake of the club and going forward someone has to be ruthless and tell players it's time to go and if that means settle their contract then so be it if we can't find a buyer which we most likely can't.

Guys like Mulgrew, Boeriggter, Stokes, Scepovic etc need to go. There's no point in hanging around anymore. Players like Brown, Johansen, Boyata, Armstrong, Forrest, GMS, Cifcti, Commons, Izzy, Griffiths gradually need to ALL come out the first team picture including the matchday squad and be replaced, Izzy would be okay as a backup LB and maybe Griffiths back up striker but the rest could honestly go and start afresh. This isn't knee-jerk at all, I've always been of this opinion of our squad and last nights result and performance only solidified that further. These players are offering nothing when the stakes get higher and so have proved they cannot handle it and need to go. We need a decent RB who is not constantly injured, we need a decent LB, We now need two CBs, We need a midfielder in place of Brown(time for change), We need a whole new attack. All FOUR attacking players need replaced which means a new RW, LW, CAM and Stiker. Sadly it's easier to change the manager than this but that's just papering over the cracks that have been forming over the last few years, Lenny seen this coming hence why he jumped ship.

We need a change in transfer policy and wage structure, we need more ambition because if Lawwell and Desmond are genuine Celtic fans then they can't be enjoying what they're watching like oursleves. We may have to go into debt but it certainly won't be crippling like Oldo. Going into £10-20M worth of debt would not send us to the wall for the sake of having a better team which would get more fans in the door, better chance of CL qualification hence rake the money back in. Remember Oldco were in hundreds of millions of debt with a huge tax case coming up which in the end seen them liquidated not £10-20M of debt. It would be nice right enough if our billionaire owner Desmond funded such change but somehow I can't see it and don't see what he brings to the table. Claims he funded the Robbie Keane deal moons ago but I believe the Scott McDonald transfer fee paid for that at that time personally.

As a club and as a support we deserve better, MUCH better. We're far too big a club to see us rot away like this. Change needs to happen now and fast, fresh ideas and fresh funding needs to be brought in for the sake of the club. It's the only way to solve the current situation we find ourselves in.

Oh and one last thing, our next fixture is at home to St Johnstone, this is where a lot of our fans imo seem to get a bit lost in regards to our squad. A lot are angry and disappointed just now but a win over St Johnstone sees a lot of these same fans saying everything is fine and hunky dory again when it clearly is not. It's still the same team and players that have failed us and will fail again given another chance, I don't really trust this team has the bottle to see off the challenges properly that Aberdeen and Hearts are imposing imo, that's really how poor a side we've become. We still need to be brought in ALL over the park. Don't be blinded by a decent showing against St Johnstone and then folk think we're a decent side again. We're not and won't be until proper investment and changes to our transfer policy and wage structure are changed.

26 Aug 2015 08:49:36
Ive stuck by this lot but now enough is enough. they talk the talk but can't walk the walk. for a group of people whos only job is to practice all week and play 90 minutes or so football, last nights showing was pathetic. I was unsure of RD but tried to warm to him. blame me, he says. Well, I do but the supposed professional footballers who struggled to pass, block or run with the ball are equally to blame. we were not playing one of the big money clubs, this was the Swedish champions ffs. I've stuck with them through thick and thin (being peed on, dodging bottles and cans, getting caught in small crushes when a goal was scored. not to mention standing at Hampden when we humped the mighty Leeds) but that was it for me last night.

26 Aug 2015 09:39:23
Missing you already

26 Aug 2015 09:48:14
C'mon now tiny. You'll have been through worse. The people at the top need to walk away and there's a few players need sent away but for FFS don't you walk away.

The harsh reality is that a years worth of efforts can be scrapped by one bad game. That's football. But that's why we keep going back. Because nights like last night make the next time we qualify, which eventually we will, that whole lot sweeter.

26 Aug 2015 10:35:22
We need an attitude that invests to get into the CK. Not build one to cope when we qualify. Because we won't.

26 Aug 2015 08:26:01
Oh well, I am sad to admit that currently Europa League football is our best hope. We fell to pieces all over the park last night. Maybe a blessing in disguise that we didn't qualify, Of course PL would love to swell the coffers with the big money but we would be obliterated in the group stages.
I have been reading all the calls for RD to be sacked, I feel that's a bit harsh on him. I am a big supporter of what he is trying to achieve, but the backing from the board is hindering this. CL level clubs don't plunder SPL and below for players. CL clubs don't have a fire sale of all their assets if someone offers over £5m (VVD will be punted asap). If RD ever has to stand up to Lawell, it's now. I'd like to see him demand a £6m player or he walks. Time to put Lawell under pressure, that his managers have had to deal with each season.
We have no more players to punt, Johansen at a push £4m? PL is so concerned with his balancing the books, he is killing Celtic Football Club anyway - the half empty stadiums are a testament to that.
RD needs to look seriously at the squad and get rid of a few bodies - not just the promising youngsters who are farmed out on loan never to return.

Pissed off today!

HH

ShottsBhoy

26 Aug 2015 08:38:04
What is it that Ronnie is trying to achieve?

26 Aug 2015 09:22:15
We will get our erses kicked in the EL too.

26 Aug 2015 10:08:17
Celtic (Lawell) has employed puppet managers since WGS and although NL was Celtic through and through, he was a willing, cheap and a convenient replacement for Mowbray.
Deila is untested at a higher level and Celtic are a huge club and I still see fear and doubt in his eyes during hard or very important games.
At least Lennon had some CL successes.

The sad facts are we have gone too far in the wrong direction for too long and have gradually allowed this to happen and we will not improve in the immediate future.
The board, the managers and the support have settled for a drop in quality and standards for several years and we are now where we belong in terms of European standards.
Since 2012, there has been a complacency within the club and a 'small club mentality' without a serious rival and lack of TV money and investment in 'Celtic class' players.
I even suspect that Lawell is holding back until Sevco arrive and then everything will be just fine and dandy?!


Lawell declared we were self sufficient and didn't need Rangers to survive - and that is true, but we expect better than surviving, we need CL football and entertainers.
We have been virtually assured of CL football for the past 5 years and instead of grasping that gift and building a team to dominate Scotland and regain our European reputation, we have faltered in domestic cups and sell off our better players every year - replacing them with inferior types.
After VVD goes we are pretty short of class players to sell and now we have no CL cash (yet again) to boot.

Strachan worked wonders at Celtic while working to a budget and handling a player transition, he still had success and managed to attract very good CL quality players and gave us some great European nights.
That seems very long ago and I feel unless we have a massive rethink and change of attitude we will have a long wait for more of those famous CL nights we all crave.

26 Aug 2015 11:52:53
@Groutdoc. A more free flowing exciting brand of football, that the team may take time to adapt too. Playing higher up the park in a more dynamic fashion. Turning the squad from players to athletes on and off the park. Nurturing young talent and giving squad positions on effort on the training ground. trying to restore excitement in a 1 team league.

It's just my opinion of what I see, so if you try and shoot me down, fair doo's!

HH

ShottsBhoy

26 Aug 2015 07:28:55
Didn't want to post last night as it would have been heated and it shows how bad and worried as fans we all are when we are pointing at board level managerial level where as in previous years it would have all been around the chopped off goal

I don't think Deila can motivate hence why we had such a bad performance he also has to look at how that team performs

Our creative players struggle to make 10yard passes and the delivery from set plays is woeful

Think it's time to ditch the strict fitness and bring back the chips irn bru and practicing with a ball

26 Aug 2015 00:36:38
Ronny deila says "blame me, well ronny don't worry I am. You have spoiled my season already for another season mate. Grab your jacket pal. Your a puppet on a string with no tactical awareness, you scream "stop the cross, "stop the cross, you know nothing more. I don't mean to hurt your feelings but your hurting my club along with that board

26 Aug 2015 07:55:59
How can you blame deila? He is operating with one arm tied behind his back. If anyone is too blame it's the BOARD for not giving him decent funds to compete at CL level. So take your frustrations out on the board.

26 Aug 2015 09:35:00
Anybody who plays Ambrose is not giid enough .

If you can't see he us rubbish you don't deserve a job in football.

That's how you can criticise RD.

All the rest is a combination of that level of weakness and a board of spivs who still get their bonus by balancing books and keeping us mediocre at best.

It's time for change.

26 Aug 2015 12:33:33
its whoever decides on the players we sign to blame, there even getting lazy and won't travel further than Dundee & Edinburgh.
We signed Allan from hibs, why? It's obvious we've been shouting out for defenders and strikers, and we sign another midfielder, who quite honestly at this point in time offers nothing to the team.