Celtic Banter Archive August 26 2013

26 Aug 2013 22:27:50
Well that's 2 hours of my life I will never get back. I promise I will never call another Celtic game boring as Man Utd - Chelsea was one of the worst I've seen in a long time.
If either of these 2 think they will compete with Bayern and the 2 Spanish teams, I think they are a long way off.
Bring on Wednesday for some real edge of the seat entertainment.

Joeshmo1888

Booaarrrrring. All the hype and they dish this up. I think the SPL without the undead is turning into an entertaining package. I tip my hat to Butcher at Inverness for the job he has done with limited resources. The EPL is like the Ingerlund team. all blow, no go.

The players involved were paid at least 3m between them for that pile of dross. That is unsustainable. All that league is, is a vehicle for tv companies to make profits. It's not English, it just happens to be played in england. No English manager has ever won it and only a handful of English players were involved last night. The circus could be moved elsewhere if the tv bosses think they could make more. I'm cancelling sky on Thu and getting a freeview box.

26 Aug 2013 20:01:45
Ed, can you shed any light on a rumour on the radio by a sevconian that we are £30m in debt? Thanks

AdelanteBhoy {Ed007's Note - It's gibberish. It has all to do with their lack of braincells and ability to process what is in front of them. A The Rangers/Sevco fan must have found a Sunday Times in a bin and saw an article about the Co-Op bank with CFC's name in it, that was all it needed.}

ED007: This all started on mcturdo's blog. Some guy on there has been elevated to a god for his 'research'. Seems it all hinges on a loan of £17m that has to be paid in 2019.They are all wet and sticky because we are only paying the interest every year.The loan is secured against land 'around' Celtic Park. This land was secored from GCC by THE UNSEEN FENIAN HAND it seems.
All in the clubs accounts apparently. green jhedi {Ed007's Note - And the Co-Op is only charging us 1.5% interest per year, the same article in The Times had a pop at the Co-Op's relationship with the Labour Party.}

This should this up, just the usually tube spreading rumours with no evidence

goo.gl/eTDG1i

He just kept saying its debt it's 30 million debt.

I was under the impression we had no bank debt. Anyway, I'm quite sure it would all be out before now, however I'd like to know why we have a loan out. I'd rather pay it off soon if we do have.

Is this in the times, I wouldn't mind a read, .

Adelantebhoy {Ed007's Note - I think Joe Public needs to pay to read The Times online edition mate. It's a non-story, if we had debt anywhere near that there would have been Zombies all over it.}

Ooooh. Let's organise a protest and see if we can beat the mighty undead Might struggle to get together more than 10 Celtic supporters who actually believe this drivel. At least on this site most people try to check out the info first before spouting off. (which is more than can be said for some of our so called 'reporters')

I have looked at last years accounts and have a jpg of them. I think by reading them it says we have the facility to have upto 30mil loans and overdraft.

It looks like we have it available to use if needed, and are currently in usage of about 10mil of it.

(Ed, I will register later but have posted a lot on here over time. Just can't sign up from work pc)

I will post the jpg later and maybe someone can shed some light on this.

My dad called me asking if i'd looked into it, these pesky secvonians had him questioning it lol

AdelanteBhoy

26 Aug 2013 20:56:27
Evening everyone,

After media interview by Ledley and pics going up of stadium getting ready for Wednesday starting to get nervous, I know the bhoys can pull this off and get into the group stage.

Secondly the line up for the petrov match looks incredible so cracking talents going to be in parkhead plus as far as am aware after hearing on radio it's a sell out unless I picked tht up wrong.

Lastly saw a pic on twitter if wee Oscar Knox in hospital once more for his horrible illness he is suffering, my thoughts and prayers go out to the little guy who has already had so much battles and has so much more ahead for such a young boy it's heartbreaking!

I hope everyone puts the little guy in there thoughts and prayers tonight and hold your loved ones close tonight.

Hear hear mate. That wee guy is an inspiration.green jhedi

Our thoughts go with him

26 Aug 2013 18:03:10
Was just thinking there for a 2nd, too long if am being honest.

If we don't make the Champs Lge on Wednesday, I can honestly see big Forster saying he wants a move to help with chances of England call up.

Benfica in a league with better competition would all of a sudden be appealing.

This is a real worry and I know Lennon says he wouldn't sell but money talks. {Ed007's Note - I don't think Benfica have any chance of getting of Forster. The chance to return to Newcastle would be a different proposition altogether...}

Is this just the usual story of disrupting stories in msm before celtic's important games?
Usual routine if so!

26 Aug 2013 17:46:03
alfred finbogasson supposedly in talks with cardiff now, I wonder if we have maybe some sort of verbal agreements with any players which will hinge on qualifying for the champs league, which means they may be keeping their options open till they see the final outcome of the second leg.

MM

26 Aug 2013 13:49:05
Getting totally disheartened when I see the level of players we are being linked with or have signed this season. We were told as a gesture by the club for 125 years that they were taking 100 pounds off season tickets but the sad fact is with our signing policy that just wasn't enough our season tickets should have been halved as the quality in our league is rank rotten and we are adopting a small club mentality by buying under performing players or potential players and looking to improve them for a profit. It's time to stop going with begging bowls to second rate Scandinavians/Africans/Israelis and the rest and either buy within our own region players like McGinnis, Russell, Mackey-Steven, Griffith etc who know what it is to play for celtic and would appreciate the chance or give watt, Atajic, Irvine, Henderson etc a chance I for one would rather go down with players who care than players who couldn't find us on a map?. I love my club and will always support the club but the players we have now I wouldn't rush to greet them because most are only here for a year or two before they want to move on to bigger things(soton, Norwich, forest or whoever will take them) I would rather watch a team of youth with mulgrew Forrest stokes brown as I believe they care about us the fans even though they may not be the best players.

Jim

Sorry Jim but it's you who is adopting the small club mentality. 'Rather go down with players who care'? that's madness mate. What we are doing is the right way forward as a club.If it is at all possible we should always get money for someone who leaves.

On the home grown player side I would agree to an extent.Having said that there must be a fusion of imports and kids.We all know and admire the Ajax model.Look at their history, it is littered with pretty barren years then a team blends and does well in the CL for a couple of years.They then sell off some big assets, continue to do well at the top level then sell again.And so on, and so on.

I would liked to have seen Russell at Celtic, but Lenny obviously had his eye on someone else. Mackay Steven? Typical winger, blows hot and cold.Have you ever seen him dominate a game? We have Forrest, Sammi and Derk for left wide.He's hardly needed for me.green jhedi

I can see why you want to compare us to Ajax as fans we are far superior but as club records go not so sure Ajax regularly have good players of technical ability that's why they have won 8 European trophies and everyone raves about their academy. We boast about our academy yet rarely play them and many of our recent signings look rather technically inept. I don't see my point as being small club I want to sign players develop them and keep them as we grow rather than build, sell then rebuild and hope it works. Foreign players only want short term as they are basically only after the cash homegrown players are more likely to commit long term so we must adopt a policy of developing homegrown players mainly. I am not saying abandon foreign signing just don't sign them when there are better prospects here.

Who would you prefer balde or daly
Pukki/sharp or Russell/Griffith
Mouyokolo or dunne

We need to stop looking at sell on fees and get the right player first

Jim

@Jim: I never actually compared us to Ajax mate.We are miles off that standard.Ajax have been using their system for around twenty years, we are three years into ours.

Something else to ponder is we all know who does not make it at Celtic as it's our club.I would guess Ajax release around the same amount of players as Celtic, we just never hear of them.

You also say you want to'sign players, develop them then grow sell and rebuild'. But you then ask who I would prefer Balde or Daly? Daly is close to thirty one mate, so it would be Balde.

Pukki or Sharp? Hard to say.I know Sharp is well regarded in England.I also know what a thoroughly honourable and decent guy he seems to be.His age might be against that though( ED007?) Russell I would have liked, Griffiths I would not touch with a barge pole.He is trouble, can you imagine him in Glasgow? As for Dunne, your joking. At his peak he was slow.Now an oil tanker turns quicker. Cheers. Green jhedi

Look at the team hibs had a few years ago, the board sold them on, made a good profit, and have struggled since. I think it's a dangerous game unless you have quality players ready to come in and take over, but to be fair, Hooper, Wilson & Wanyama wanted to move on. Jon

27 Aug 2013 09:06:21
Ed's no that old, GJ, and he still does a decent job on here. Do you reckon he's getting on a bit? pea

26 Aug 2013 13:03:16
Why are we not going for Nahki Wells, would score goals for fun!

Paul

26 Aug 2013 13:08:22
Folks, 20 names mentioned in the last day or two. We don't do much to kill wild speculation when we're all doing it ourselves. At this rate we'll have an entire new team in by midnight. Gently does it with the name dropping because it just leads to disappointment wheen a player doesn't sign, and he may never haveen a real contender to begin with. don't fall into the media trap of guessing. They are getting paid for it, we arent.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Bang on mate. I posted the other day we will have to wait and see what we get. green jhedi

This is a rumour site and people can post what they have heard, so why don't we leave the moderation of the site to the ed buddy.

Marco1888

When I need advice from you on what I should post then I'll ask you. You're right that people can speculate all they want but they shouldn't then get annoyed when the players they've heard about doesn't turn up.
And I am as entitled to have that opinion as anyone else has the right to post what they want to say.
OK buddy?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

26 Aug 2013 12:27:15
i know team picking is a bit premature atm, but I feel we need a bit of change in ours for the karagandy game
so here it is.

forster

lustig ambrose mulgrew mattews

brown ledley

boriggter commons sammy

watt

mattews is good at lb and emilo I have had enough off, maybe a stiint on the bench could sort him out. i'm not sure balde has done enough for a start. sammy MUST be on the left. I feel 4 4 2 is a redundant formation these day. no top side uses it and i'm not sure we should either. not in the champions league anyway. if that side can't over turn the score then we don't deserve champions league, but I see no reason why we can't get to the europa final and or win the thing.

come on you bhoys in green.

darrenbhoy

whats your thought bhoys and ghirls?

Definitely think lustig and Mathews for full backs, looks good line up to start with just hope if its not working that Lennon changes things fairly quickly, I still feel we can get at this team at home and score few goals no problem, need every player up for it tho!

Matthews did brilliantly at LB against Barca because Messi always came inside onto Matthews stronger foot but away against Benfica, against a natural right footed right winger (Salvio), he got torn to shreds. I'd prefer to put Mulgrew at LB and push Matthews further up. Just my opinion
Kevbhoy

26 Aug 2013 11:32:54
Obviously hoping we can get a result in this very difficult tie on Wednesday although we do not seem capable of keeping a clean sheet lately and chopping and changing the back four cannot be helping us.
Mulgrew, Lustig and (God forbid) Ambrose are our most experienced defenders so a back three would probably suit, against a defensive Karagandy?

The personnel changes and the positions we have failed to strengthen have been well covered by everyone on here; but whether we get through or not, NL must quickly, find his strongest side and stick with it so we can find some consistency and confidence to get a winning Celtic team on the park.

I see Benfica are in again for Forster and after Wednesday, I for one would let him go if he wants?
The problem for me has always been his failure to command his area and come convincingly for crosses like I see Boruc and Marshall doing in the EPL.
His distribution (even kicking a stationary ball) is haphazard and causes panic and even shot-stopping was his strength and even that has been missing for a while now. Well, that's my opinion anyway.

Jungle Jim

I totally agree about forster if he wants to go let him, and after the weekend ain't so confident about wed hope i'm totally wrong. col

26 Aug 2013 09:58:48
Looks like Lennon has went and pulled the wool over the fans eyes again went a virtually sealed the deal for Billy Sharp according to sly sports so no Finnbogason am well gutted this is not the big signing we're crying out for. We have made around 40 million and this is what we get 750,000 Billy Sharp why didn't we just go for Russell if this is the case?
Samcfc

Russell was to be 1.5 mil if celtic tried to sign him. Only 750.000 to side in england

Well we are getting pukki aswell, billy sharp and pukki aren't bad. you really need to understand that finbogginson didn't want to sign for us. with those two along with the isreali boy we are looking at and with what we have brought in. i'd be pretty chuffed. billy is also incredibly loyal so if he ended up our next larrson he wouldn't jump at the first offer that came in from england. All ways look on the bright side of life hehe.

darrenbhoy

Can someone please provide the quote or link which confirms Finbogasson turned us down?

We haven't bid the asking price so he won't have had the option yet. You guys are just giving the board excuses.

#3. I take it Finbogginson was top of your shoping list before Celtic showed an interest in him. As was Hooper Wanyama and Wilson?.My point is, no one knew how the later 3 were going to turn out or how the next signing are going to .Let the staff that are paid to do that sort this out and give what ever signing that arrives a fair chance not judge them on what you think you know. TTTS

@3/ Someone posted a clip from a dutch paper and his agent said Scotland did not appeal to him.Tw**ter I think. green jhedi

Remember the time you pay corporation tax and vat for the player transfers the 40million is more like 30million. Still not an excuse for not strengthening {Ed007's Note - It is more complicated than that. There are taxes, agents fees, taxes on agents fees, residual insurances, relocation expenses, arrangement fees all to be considered in addition to the transfer fee and then the wages.}

26 Aug 2013 09:06:14
7 days and 14 hrs to go in the transfer window and I'm sorry, but I don't see us signing anyone. ST money is in, transfer money is in, kitty hasn't been spent - PL's bonus is looking good.

I'm left completely drained and lacking in interest and we're only at the end of August!

On the plus side, Celtic PLC decided to reinstate Section 111 last week. To deflect the attention off the transfer market and sad state of affairs on pitch.

DissatisfiedBhoy

Celtic will definitely sign someone!
settle Petal!

AdelanteBhoy

I do think we will sign players, but the result on Wed will determine what calibre and how much we will pay?
I hope lessons have been learned about the timing of selling players and finding immediate replacements in the future, as we have made things hard for ourselves to qualify for the CL - where we need to be to continue to be successful and financially sound.

JJ