Celtic Banter Archive May 24 2015

24 May 2015 23:44:31
Ed just out of curiosity, how many clubs has Steve Bruce took being in charge of, that have been relegated? i'm thinking 3 Birmingham, Wigan and Hull. can't find anything online

{Ed007's Note - It's 'just' the 3 mate, he's not a very good manager.}

24 May 2015 23:56:25
I thought that mate. You would think with the amount of money in that league, clubs would adopt a 1 fail rule. Get relegated your name is tarnished. The money he will be on would attract a lot of managers in europe that would maybe keep them up.

{Ed007's Note - There's a bit of a merry-go-round with managers down there though isn't there? Allardyce has done nothing and is one of the worst managers and coaches in the game yet he seems to get a job every time he needs one, he loses a job and someone like Tony Pullis gets it and so on. Why are all these managers and coaches from the 'best league in the world' not wanted in Germany, Spain or even Italy?
They're tactically inept, that's why and I'd go as far as to say that there's not many managers in the EPL that could come up here and be a success and by a success I mean even mount any kind of respectable challenge to us, take their cheque book away and they're stumped, they don't know what it's like to really work hard and coach their players. Do you think Brendan Rodgers could have done a better job at Aberdeen than McInnes has this season?
Look at Harry Reknapp, the guy's a joke as a manager, a laughable remnant of the 90s like my Bollgame dungarees from my Hangar 13 days.}

25 May 2015 00:53:12
Don't think he was relegated with Wigan was he.defo with Birmingham but and now hull! Think a lot of these managers are fighting a losing battle scrapping at the bottom of the EPL! It's actually quite embarssing watching sum of these mangers and players celebrate avoiding relegation but! Watched the Newcastle game and u would have thought they'd won the champions league the way they were jumpin about celebrating! Really makes me cringe watchn a so called big club celebrating avoiding relegation!

{Ed007's Note - You're right, Wiss, he didn't get Wigan relegated - there's a shock! That does my nut in seeing players celebrate things like that, they should be ashamed of themselves, Arsenal and their '4th place trophy' celebrations always made me want to vomit, it got on my wick hearing and reading Man Utd fans celebrating getting a CL place and seeing it as some major success, they spent £150 million last summer ffs - Barcelona will get 57.9m Euros (53.9m for runners-up) and Juventus will get 62m Euros (58m for runners up) this year from the CL - that shows how crazy the money in England is, lower EPL teams get more from SKY than Barca do from UEFA for winning the CL, the winners of tomorrow's Boro v Norwich match makes more than Barca or Juve from winning the CL.}

25 May 2015 05:35:22
I remember years ago it was utter utter rubbish like Peter Reid El tell Harry bassat Bryan Robson guys like that always got the gig. They think the sun shines out of guys like Southgate and Stuart Pearce when again they's guys are terrible managers. it's just a total English media fantasy that these guys or good managers. A bit like the 90's and early naughties experts pundits believing that next year would be liverpools year. Every April or May the same expert prediction would be rolled out. For the last ten years that statment has attached itself to arsenal. The English media live in its own bubble they still believe there national side should be winning the World Cup. But all this belief has its rewards they've created there own hype and that's why there league is so over rated and over valued. We just up here seem to want to line up to tell everyone how bad it all is and as a result we are treated accordingly.

25 May 2015 18:34:09
I think the biggest nonsense is the English Manager Hodgson is the second highest paid Manager in the world . Capello is the highest . The English manager although in his 60's has yet to be a real success in his managerial career yet .
I remember when Lennon said last year he was going , I said that I hoped for someone new and not from the English circus . Someone replied that he would give his left testicle to get B Rodgers . I suppose he would not give up a ball this year as quickly .

24 May 2015 19:50:48
Just wanted to say well done to our friends St Pauli who avoided relegation today, let's hope Hamburg come down and ST Pauli wipe the floor with them

24 May 2015 20:49:01
Never knew Ewald Lienen was manager of St Pauli. One of the most horrific victims of a tackle in football. Bit before my time, but seen video on youtube

24 May 2015 17:53:29
Has anyone noticed the change in the message from Ronny Deila in recent weeks?

Not that long ago he was talking about getting players in early for the CL qualifiers. However, recently this message has changed and he is now saying that we won't be doing any business until the last week in August.

No doubt Lawwell has had a word in his ear and told him that we won't spend until we have guaranteed European football next season.

While I can understand the benefits of being risk averse, I do think sometimes it is worth taking a small risk for a big reward. For example Celtic could easily spend 5M on a couple of players to enhance our chances of qualification for the CL and even if it did not pay off we could offload someone to recoup the money, so it is a very low risk strategy.

If van Dijk and Denayer leave, do we really want to be relying on Mulgrew and Ambrose as our CB pairing to get us into the CL? Personally, I think we should at least get 1-2 CBs before qualifiers start and I'm not talking Danny Wilson as he is no better than the pair I just mentioned.

24 May 2015 18:20:19
Yeah it looks like Lawell has the puppet strings firmly attached to Deila now unfortunately.

I would have thought by now that Lawell and Desmond would have learned their lesson. When we lose VVD, Denayer and Guidetti in the summer we are left with Ambrose and Mulgrew in defence and Griffiths up front.

When we play a half decent team in the qualifiers where are the goals going to come from cause Griffiths is just an spl striker on a good run of form. We sure as hell not going to keep a clean sheet with those two at the back not to mention Gordon in goals.

Needless to say I'm seriously concerned about next season.

24 May 2015 20:39:35
Rahman , I think you are purposely misrepresenting what Deila is saying . He has always maintained that he would like to have players in before the end of June . He is also saying , that despite us wanting the players early , this will be very difficult as it is always towards the end of the transfer window before the vast majority of players move.
Celtic with the best will in the world cannot dictate when a certain player will move to them . It is unusual for a player to agree to move to Celtic , playing in an unfancied league early in the window . It's not like buying a bottle of Scotch which you can decide any day to buy and just call in and get it .

24 May 2015 15:23:54
Little question for everybody watching Hull against Utd. How many players outside the top 4 teams in the epl would get into this celtic team. We would easily be a top 10 team in the epl and I think we could challenge for top 4 in the epl. A few quality additions could make all the difference but how many times in the last 15 years have we said that

24 May 2015 15:38:15
Jonace

It is all relative….take the top 15 teams in the EPL (20 man squads) which is 300 players …. all of them would ask more questions of the CFC team today…

we would be punished for poor passing and ball watching and for being wasteful ….we would improve more and more as we played against that level of opponent and of course on our day (in a one off) we could compete with most but CFC starting eleven would not be up there challenging with 1 or 2 additions

i simply disagree with that viewpoint

i also think EPL is slightly overrated re quality ….a lot of stupid defenders that don't track back and get caught ball watching or out of position but then I fear CFC would be shown up for our frailties with over exposure

IF we ever were to play in the EPL, we would be top 4 because we would have the £250m to spend and it would be sustainable because CFC are a global institution with tremendous reach and marketing potential

24 May 2015 17:16:31
Jonace is that a serious question? There's plenty of players down there outside the top 4 that would walk into our team! Far to many to mention! And while I totally agree that the EPL is over rated,we would be fighting relegation with our current team! But like paradise said,as soon as we found our feet and the sky money started coming in then I've no doubt with the quality we would be able to attract would have us fighting at the top!

24 May 2015 17:33:05
@Jonace - I'm afraid I have to question your knowledge of the premiership if you don't think there are EPL players who would get in the current Celtic team or you think we would be challenging for top 4 with our current team.

Here is a quick list for each position (it is not complete in anyway):

GK: Lloris and Forster are better than Gordon

LB: Baines and Cresswell are better than Izzy
RB: Coleman and Clyne are better than Lustig or Matthews
CB: Vertonghen is better than Denayer at present, although I do think Virgil would get in most teams in the EPL.

CM: Delph, Wanyama, Henderson and McCarthy are better than Biton or Brown

LW: Sterling and Mirallas are better than Armstrong or Stokes
RW: Tadic and Llana are better than GMS or Forrest.
ACM: Coutinho, Eriksen, Barkley are better than Johansen

Strikers: Kane, Lukaku, Pele, Benteke and Sturridge are better than Griffiths or Scepovic.

Yes we have a decent team at the moment but we would need to beef up our team if we wanted to stay in the Premiership, never mind compete for top 4.

Think about it, in the SPFL our defence often gets cut open and it is only the lack of quality and belief of the other teams that prevents more goals being scored. Just imagine how many goals we would lose if Benteke, Lukaku, Sturridge, Sterling, Kane, et al were playing for the other teams in Scotland

24 May 2015 17:36:00
Kane

Coutinho
Eriksen
Sterling

Gerrard
Schneiderlin

Baines
Vertonghen
Sakho
Clyne

Forster

And that's just my reserve side. It's been a great day and a good season but let's just settle down aye?

24 May 2015 17:51:14
Couldn't agree more lads! Let's not get to carried away with ourselves! We've done well to win the league but let's not forget the opposition we're up against! Let's hope we can add a couple of players of quality to get us into that champions league! Heard RD say he wouldn't be worried if we didn't add anyone before the qualifiers but and this worries me slightly! I'm all for having confidence in our squad but when denayer goes we defo need another centre half.and for me its a must we add sum quality up front!

24 May 2015 20:54:34
Why are we spoiling our four in the row Championship winning day with a post comparing us to the over rated over paid under achievers of the EPL . Good supporters of any Scottish team should only pay scant regards of what goes on down there. They don't want us

24 May 2015 21:59:30
i agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly Chris02…made me stop and think …superb point

24 May 2015 23:13:02
some of these names mentioned are ridiculous ,gordon is better than those two goalies,gerard is five years past his sell by date,sterling is an overated lightweight who got shown up in the world cup as to the limit of his capabilities,what also is ridiculous is that celtic let mccarthy go south,the only ones i'd have in the celtic team are kane and vertoghen,also I think denayer would do better down sarf than vvd.

26 May 2015 01:05:25
Quality of individual players doesn't necessary make a team . Good players are needed certainly but they also need a manager that can amplify their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. The manager has to be able to explain and sell his game planing life style and all the players have to buy into that without question . Many of the Celtic players are made to look better because of how the team is playing .
For example there is no comparison in the way Biton and Johannson are playing this year from last year . Many of these apparently wonderful players in the EPL may not appear as good if playing on the Celtic team . That is why managers have scouts watching players numerous of times because they want to see how they will fit in and bring value to the team .

24 May 2015 14:30:34
@Sacktheboard and my other detractors, "Timalloy Tipping Service" and our customer service department hope you were on his tips today and made a nice wee profit, since Cheltenham our service has provided a nice little profit and kept our bank balance well in the black, if not 100% satisfied with our tipping service, you are at liberty to try other tipsters elsewhere, meanwhile our CEO Timalloy is away on vacation with his winnings and the service will resume in July

24 May 2015 16:01:34
Tim you have bored me all season with your betting boasts. I put it to you that through all the bests you have ever done you will be down, the bookie always wins in the end! Enjoy your pocket money wins. That's if your allowed to spend it as you see fit?

24 May 2015 17:58:36
OOps jealousy is a terrible virtue STB, and yes I will enjoy my "pocket money", sorry to bore you again STB but I am actually well in front these last few months, as I hope some of the others are on here following my Barcelona, Real Madrid regular bets, recently my Bayern Munich tips, and going on to other rumour sites and following the EDS on there, who would probably "bore" you also with their winning tips. My philosophy on here is if I think a bet has a decent chance I will share it and hopefully make some of us a few quid, I am not always right, and never ever claimed I was, but hey you won't be "bored" until July now so look on the bright side.

24 May 2015 19:07:51
You didn't answer my question Timmy, over your long successful career would you say that you or the bookie is up? Go on bore me one more time with you tales of gambling success.

24 May 2015 13:58:53
I recall Peter Lawwell stating that the demise of Rangers has cost Celtic around 10M a season.

Therefore, I was wondering what will happen if they get promoted this season.

As we are currently spending what we earn on the most part. One would expect us to have an extra 10M on transfers and wages. Will this happen? Probably not. Which raises the question, why not?

24 May 2015 17:40:15
Exactly Rab. Apparently we don't budget ourselves on the CL either but i'm yet to see that extra money injected either. Somebody's got to earn a crust though.

24 May 2015 07:33:17
A difficult question here perhaps.
If the new kit is available from Sports Direct for almost 20% less than from Celtic, why should I buy from Celtic?

24 May 2015 09:19:49
You shouldn't. You have to look after your own pocket first mate. The club still get the money from nb. All they miss out on is the mark up from there retail division. What if someone has 2 or 3 kids to buy for how much more would it cost in the club shop. Celtic will tell you that all money spent in the club shop is re invested in the team I don't believe that. But even if that is true why should someone like yourself fork out extra to ensure someone gets a bit extra on there already lucrative contract. I'd buy from sports direct mate. Never mind all the lining Ashley's pockets talk Ashley is a wealthy billionaire and celtic are a wealthy club so the only person that the price you pay for your strip will affect is you.

{Ed001's Note - what about the retail staff in the shop? I understand what you are saying, but Sports Direct are a disgrace in the way they treat their staff, forget the fat *censored* who owns them for a moment, just think of the low pay and zero hour contracts. Personally I would say just don't buy the strips if they are too expensive, if the kids have to go without then so what? When I was a kid I couldn't have a new strip, or 3, each season, even if they were available, I didn't get the flash trainers or anything, and it did me no harm. It just made me appreciate stuff when I was able to get it. It does kids no harm to do without, so if you can't afford them from a store that looks after its staff, then don't buy them, would be my thinking.}

24 May 2015 09:42:22
I agree with not buying them ed as I dont. But that's just cause I'd never wear it. My boy is nearly 4 and not really bothered with football just now. But if he starts to care about it and asks for a strip I will buy him one. I aslo agree that Ashley is a rat (what he done with the usc staff was disgusting). But henrik was asking because he is going to buy one I presume, and the point I was making was look after yourself and buy it where it is cheaper.

{Ed001's Note - I just disagree, looking after yourself is why people are able to get away with treating their staff like that! What happened to people having morals and caring about each other? What happened to communities working together? If you aren't willing to act to help others out, how can you expect them to be there when you need it?}

24 May 2015 09:53:48
I just find it strange that Sports Direct can sell it for less than Celtic. I think they are far too overpriced anyway which is why I haven't bought one for a few of years now. That and I think I'm too old now to be wearing it (unless I'm playing football) but £54 for a t-shirt that probably costs less than a fiver to make? I just can't justify paying that amount of money.

24 May 2015 09:54:05
Ok I accept that. but my point was looking after henrik and his pocket. I am also sure that a lot of people who work at sports direct are perfectly happy with there job. But henriks question was where should he buy his strip and I gave my opinion and why. So where do you think he should buy his strip if he must buy it and why.

{Ed001's Note - personally I would look for a local owned sports shop if possible.}

24 May 2015 10:12:25
I applaud your morals mate. But not everyone will be unhappy working in the club shop or sports direct. People maybe happy with there job and any benefits they get. By your argument we shouldn't shop in asda and buy all our groceries from the local corner shop. So all the people who are happy working for a big retail company like asda should loose there jobs because everyone is buying local. So how do people survive then and where do they get the money to shop local. Like I said mate I like your moral argument. Whilst we are on the subject can I point everyone in the way of the guy who runs his shop in the forge shopping centre. It's up the stairs at the cinema and the guys stuff is all season end stuff but fantastic bargains for fotball strips from all over the world. Especially the kids stuff.

{Ed001's Note - if everyone shopped local there would be more jobs anyway, so your logic makes no sense.}

24 May 2015 10:27:46
So you believe that a local shop will treat you better than a big chain. Mate I know people who have been fired for getting pregnant. People who don't get sick pay. People who don't get holiday pay. If you believe local shops will treat you better that's your opinion. My wife works for a big company and her wages are rubbish but the benefits she gets are out of this world so there are 2 ways of looking at these things mate. Doesn't mean because you disagree that my argument makes no sense.

{Ed001's Note - I never said that your argument makes no sense, I said your logic of people not having jobs because people shopped local makes no sense. There would be more jobs available and if people shopped with their morals, a small shop that sacked someone illegally for getting pregnant would fold as no one would shop there and would go to another shop. So you still are looking at things in a completely different way, still thinking without looking at shopping with morals. I know it will never happen but it should.}

24 May 2015 11:19:51
For me I would pay the extra and get it from CFC. I wouldn't give the fat one a single penny of my hard earned cash!! You will probably find that he is making the strips in his kitchen, hence the cost saving!! For me if you can't afford any type of merchandise your support is more important! Hail Hail

24 May 2015 11:43:10
if your bothered about zero hour contracts then don't shop in tesco's, asda et al. As to buying goods from sports direct. anyone who is willing to retain all the lucrative areas of a new club and deny them that revenue stream should be applauded. go shop there! :o)

24 May 2015 12:04:55
Ed001 political but I agree with you 100% zero hour contracts is to me just a loop hole to keep rich people rich and poor people poor since I have known about sports direct on ZERO hour contracts I have never stepped a foot inside it like I would do with any other company that has that policy in place. Now heading to the game see you all there

{Ed001's Note - good on you mate, if more people did the same the zero hour contracts would soon die out. There is a reason why Cadburys, for instance, was so successful initally, it is because they were one of, if not the, first fair trade companies in the world. People used to care about stuff like that.}

24 May 2015 13:00:43
If I am not mistaken, the hike in the price of merchandising coincided with the drop in the price of season tickets. It would appear to me that the club dropped the price in season tickets in the hope of getting more people through the turnstiles. However, it was not a true act of kindness as they tried to recoup the money through increasing revenue from merchandising.

Anyway, I agree with Ed001 on this issue and I would not buy from Sports Direct because of the way they treat their staff but I suspect we are in the minority.

24 May 2015 13:16:08
Forgot to mention in the previous post but I no longer give any of my business to any of the companies who spoke out against Scottish independence.

I took all my savings out of the Bank of Scotland and moved them to a credit union. Not only that I stopped shopping at all the big supermarket chains and now shop at Aldi or Lidl.

On a different note I also stopped buying from Amazon after finding out about the companies they use to deliver the goods. I also recall boycotting Nestle because of apartheid in South Africa and Caterpillar because they were supplying the machinery used by Israel to demolish Palestinian dwelling in the West Bank.

As Ed001 said, the only way to have your voice heard and to make these companies question their practices is to stop giving them your custom.

24 May 2015 15:07:14
I agree with buying strips etc. from the wee local sport shops, not these big soul less conglomerates like Sports Direct, buy it local keep the local businessmen and their employees in a job.

25 May 2015 20:39:32
This was a good debate although I would have preferred if the % cheaper the tops can be bought in A major Sevco shareholders store , compared to Celtic stores .

The whole reason clubs change their strips , are to raise funds .