Celtic Banter Archive November 23 2012

23 Nov 2012 22:01:58
The biscuit tin or EBTs

The biscuit tin is almost as familiar to the Celtic support as EBTs are to the Rangers support.

To be honest, I wasn't really overly familiar with all the EBT allegations against Rangers until the published report of the FTT findings and I suspect I was not the only one.

For any Celtic supporter the tax case was a huge amusement but when allegations of something else starting to arise it became a different matter. These allegations were not trumped up by the Celtic Support or HMRC or the SPL or the SFA indeed they came from within Rangers from a former Rangers director, Hugh Adam.

Rangers are innocent unless proven guilty and are entitled to a fair and honest investigation by the SPL, something they now and never really have wanted. Why would you not want a fair hearing, given the allegations ?

After Adam's allegations, evidence to suggest they had a case to answer was collected by the SPL's lawyers and a verdict will be reached and any punishment applied by an eminent judge and two QCs. At no point is any other club involved in the process.


This isn't an investigation into using EBTs, it's a probe into specific allegations of SPL rule-breaking. It began with a statement on March 5 which said: "The SPL board has instructed an investigation into the alleged non-disclosure to the SPL of payments made by or on behalf of Rangers FC to players since July 1 1998' Hugh Adam said of the alleged payments: "They weren't included in the contracts. That was the whole point of them."

It doesn't matter what your opinion on Hugh Adam is but were the SPL just to ignore it, was the rest of the teams in Scottish football supposed to ignore it ?

The side letters are more than mentioned in the report. If Rangers had nothing to hide why did they NEVER seek guidance from the SPL or SFA on them give the complex nature of EBTs ?

When Celtic won the European Cup and 9-in-a-row it was home-grown talent and manager who was and still is the greatest Scottish manager ever.

If any other Scottish team had such allegations against them, would the Rangers fans not want answers given their team always played by the rules. Does Scottish football not deserve a fair hearing ?

If there is a Rangers Fergus McCann that would have come forward had the tax case never been they who and where is/she ? You do not go into administration or liquidation for debts you MIGHT have.

They are in Div 3 now and will be forever justifying claims of unfair advantages, world records, is it 55 or 1 title. I hope the humiliation is worth it

Rangers alone face an investigation because they are the only SPL club accused of making widespread undisclosed payments and the accusation was made by one of their own.

Great post. .H.

If Fergus McCann had not come forth there were ten Multi millionaires in his wake queuing up behind him to deliver for Scotland's greatest club. Those men are still there in the background.

Spot on op.

To 2) not saying there may not be now, but at that time there most certainly were not.

23 Nov 2012 21:39:59
Evening Percy's,

Just having a laugh at all you wounded and affronted SevBears!

What's all this nonsense about you demanding apologies from all and sundry? Are you serious?

You're embarrassing yourselves with this pathetic insistence that we all owe you an apology. For what? Calling it as we see it?

David Murray shafted your club, I know it, Graham Spiers knows it.......everyone knows it!

Rangers got their decision by a majority, there's obviously doubts as to Rangers' financial integrity, doubts we all share.....well, anyone outwith the mighty downfallen!

Even ex-players are now coming out saying they were paid dues through the EBT scheme!

The tribunal result is only the begining, for the sake of integrity I hope HMRC pursue this and appeal. My opinion is my democratic right and based on what I've heard and know, I stand by my convictions......without prejudice.....or an apology! lol

Then there's the issue of side letters......I defo think Peter Law.....oops, I mean Neil Doncaster will eventually have to get stripping! lol

We want what's rightfully ours.....your ill-gotten titles!

Cue the onslaught!

Miko x

Miko, posted b 4 reading ure comments. same thoughts bud. feckin ragin with the innocent trump card getting played! #outrage
stevo dundee

23 Nov 2012 18:17:04
So is that it now rangers never cheated and don't owe any money and they shouldn't have liquidated the club then cause that's the feeling I get from media and fat Sally !!

Chrissybhoy

HA HA ESPN have scored a classic own goal.
Their choice of the 3rd Div clash at Elgin has
been cancelled due to over selling of tickets.
Just shows that 3rd Div football should not be covered and viewers dont pay to watch
this rubbish. No TV money for Rangers this weekend.

Its a bit like ted bundy asking for apologies because one of the 30 odd guilty s was not proven

@1 surely this will make sky and espn think
again about which games to show live

23 Nov 2012 16:55:36
graeme souness received 30000 from ebt scheme the ebt scheme didnt start until around 10 year after souness left rangers he was not an employee he was manager of blackburn and had just completed a transfer for millions of pounds from rangers its obvious that was a back hander and proves two things 1... the ebt was used to fund corrupt and illegal payments thats against the rules and 2... it was not used as ( employment benefit trust ) because souness was not an employee the whole scheme was corrupt and rangers just got lucky that the panel members where cut from the same cloth

Graham Souness was but an employee of rangers. How could he possibly benefit from an employee benefit trust set up several years after he left rangers? Ridiculous! Corruption!

My father in law knows a few of the old Scotland players and a few of them have said that if you shake hands with Souness you should count your fingers and then wash your hands. How can a guy that has played and managed at the top level for years, is a multi millionaire and even now he is a TV pundit need a loan that he has STILL not paid back. It stinks rank rotten, look at the players he signed for Blackburn and then there is Boumsong to Newcastle. He was not an employee of Rangers yet he used an EBT they set up? The whole thing is rotten to the core, at least justice was done and HMRC can still smile about liquidating and destroying Rangers. I would say that is a good day at the office for anyone. I might even pay extra tax as a thank you.

They Died Chasing Lions.

@ 2 you might have to pay more tax because not only did they run tax scams that seen multi millionaire players avoid paying tax which goes towards education nhs and stuff they now want to sue them and take more money out the tax payers pockets is their no stopping how low they will stoop ... but what makes me sick is these players every year at christmass visited yorkhill to see these children some terminally ill and some needing life saving operations sign autographs and pose for pictures knowing they where scamming the taxman that denies them the money that could save their lives now their celebrating how do these people sleep at night

Maybe a letter to SDM asking for a loan wouldn't be out of the question? Bit cheeky?
Lotto tomorrow night, jackpot is a £6.7 million loan i hear.

23 Nov 2012 13:31:15
Gotta luv the taxman
He may have played a blinder here.
This opens the door for BDO to go and chase for the loans to be repaid at 100% of the value of which he will get a share as a creditor. If the taxman had won he would be entitled to a share of only 50% which can never be recovered so 50% of nothing.

For what i hear the loans where made from murrays company and not the club so bdo will have no power to re claim it

No Mols and others have specifically claimed negotiations and side contracts were undertaken with Rangers people at Ibrox.
A lot of EBTs found guilty. Only shredding documents saved the others.

BDO CHASING SDM FOR £6m plus interest apparently. Plus guys like Mols for £36m plus interest plus directors and management.