Celtic Banter Archive January 23 2021

23 Jan 2021 20:01:33
Any update on Tim Ed?

{Ed007's Note - No mate. I'll try in the morning 👍

24 Jan 2021 00:24:50
Cheers 👍.

23 Jan 2021 20:08:10
Benitez is out of our price range but I tho k Howe would be a good fit. he comes across well and by all accounts he has a good philosophy on the way he likes teams to play.

23 Jan 2021 22:02:40
Rafa Benitez may well be interested in more than the money and there is a fantastic challenge for him right here. Sometimes football is all about timing and who knows?

23 Jan 2021 23:21:14
Plus he and Gerrard
were frenimies. Wee bit of needle might just tempt him🤔.

23 Jan 2021 19:31:42
Shved appears to be finally kicking it up a gear in Belgium. Seems to have been in involved in all three goals today.

23 Jan 2021 20:28:33
Maybe if Shved, Klimala and others got a run in the team you would get the best out of them rather than cameo appearances. There have been a few who have kicked on when they leave us probably down to better coaching and playing regular.

23 Jan 2021 20:42:58
True and there's others that haven't. There's not much to suggest the current coaching team get that extra 10%out of folks and we only ever got to see soro and Turnbull through forced circumstance. Here's hoping he has turned a corner and provides the width and skill we love to watch.

23 Jan 2021 20:58:33
Before this season I would normally trust the manager and his coaching staff to pick the best starting lineup because they’re watching the players in training every day.
But that went out of the window when it took them until December to allow Soro and Turnbull the chance to cement a place in the team. A few months too late.

24 Jan 2021 15:32:59
Agree buzz said same ages ago hh.

23 Jan 2021 16:58:18
'Eddie Howe is your modern coach. Many of the sorts of things Brendan would have been doing Eddie would continue that. '

'I think Eddie Howe would be a brilliant appointment. '

(Mark McGhee)

23 Jan 2021 17:10:39
He would definitely need to bring his own goalkeeper and defenders in because he likes to play a certain way out from the back.
I think our fans would need to be patient if Eddie Howe got the job.
But given the time I think he would bring great success and entertainment.

23 Jan 2021 17:25:51
BB I know next to nothing about him but that’s certainly not a bad reference from McGhee. I’d rather have a younger forward thinking manager if that’s what he is to be honest rather than a Benitez who’s 60 I believe. With that comes experience though and we’d be asking him to manage not play. The recently retired ex-player model who played at the highest level has worked across the city and has certainly helped them attract players. I don’t know if there is anybody that fits that description and is well thought of as a coach which SG was. That’s a gamble right enough.

23 Jan 2021 17:29:43
Any potential Celtic Manager who doesn't understand the traditions, expectations, pressures, hinderances and even hatred that comes with the Celtic manager's job will always get a culture-shock and need time to adjust. Then either rise to the challenges or have a return ticket in their back pocket and that doesn't include dealing with PL.

23 Jan 2021 17:32:11
BB that's a big ask the fans being patient if Howe gets the job they will want instant results. this quadruple treble has set the bar hi and some bad results and the fans will be right on his back.

one of the EDs posted today about Howe and it did not full me with confidence.

23 Jan 2021 17:45:20
I'd take Benitez over Howe every day of the week. One of the best tacticians in the game and would command respect from the second he steps through the door.

23 Jan 2021 17:59:49
Depends on how we want to progress I suppose.
If we want to get back doing well in Europe then Rafa would be my choice.
Of the names mentioned who do we see as being realistic.
Probably tier 1 would be a salary of 3-4 million
Rafa, Ralf R or Xavi (he is certainly an interesting one) etc
Tier 2 would probably be 1-2 million salary
Eddie Howe, Roy Keane, David Moyes etc
Tier 3 would probably be less than 500,000
Kennedy, Jack Ross etc
If left to DD we might get tier 1, if left to PL we'll get tier 3 😂😂.

23 Jan 2021 18:06:24
My concerns with Eddie Howe is that he's;-

* relatively untested/ inexperienced * still out of work

Rafa (and I know it would be a huge ask) has the lot and if brought in to Manage initially, could get a team winning on the park and then appoint a younger coach to work with him with the view he then takes over after a season or two.

Just a thought.

23 Jan 2021 18:06:44
Eddie Howe would be my first choice. But im hearing here in Ireland that DD rates Roy Keane very highly and robbie keane as assistant. Hope there is no truth in this as I wouldn't want roy Keane. Even as an Irish man still wouldn't want him. Hope we have talks with a few managers this time and they are let bring in their backroom team.

23 Jan 2021 18:19:22
I genuinely believe that with everything that's gone wrong this season on the park, DD will have a huge say in who the next manager will be.

I'm saying this because he's done this in the past and as Buzz mentioned earlier, he'd like to give his son every chance of success.

If the way is being cleared for his son to take over and it's true there are changes already taking place behind the scenes for next season and beyond, then we could well see a Tier 1 manager, along with a new recruitment structure etc.

23 Jan 2021 18:25:09
Agreed Cork paul, I'm not convinced that Roy would work although his press conferences would be class and imagine the hairdryer treatment at HT.

23 Jan 2021 18:25:51
Cork Paul after a global health crisis-BREXIT-and blowing the league in a monumental act of self harm Roy Keane would finish me. He’d should never have worn the jersey never mind be appointed as manager. Absolutely no time for so called fans be they Irish or Scottish that want to come to us when their career is finished just to say they wore the hoops. The bull****t the man who jeopardised 9IAR was enough for a lifetime. Say what you like about Neil Lennon he came to us at the height of his career (I believe he’s still our most expensive signing correct me if I’m wrong? ) and a Celtic man to core of his being.

23 Jan 2021 18:36:43
French Eddy JFP?

23 Jan 2021 18:56:27
Pedro it’s either or but Neil was 20 years ago. I don’t think the fee was ever actually disclosed but was rumoured to be circa. £8m from memory but don’t quote me I’m no Buzz.

23 Jan 2021 19:41:58
Hi guys, only posted a couple of times due to being so busy with work and family. Love reading all the posts much as I can and have great respect to you all. Just wanted to share my thoughts on what I hope will be a new manager coming to Celtic. Eddie Howe has been the main name linked recently and now Rafa Benitez today as he’s left his position in China. To put it straight I genuinely feel Celtic won’t show the ambition to go for Benitez and I doubt very much Scottish football would be his destination as will have plenty of offers within Europe. This now puts me on to Eddie Howe. I do see Howe in the same mould of coach as a Brendan Rodgers clearly not at his level though. But I do believe he would be a good appointment. He is a young modern coach who did wonders at Bournemouth and sadly for him over stayed in the position and let it go wrong at the end. I can understand fans who are saying he’s too defensive minded and not set up to play attacking football. But his team set up and especially defensively is exactly what we need right now. We are all over the place and need a coach who can set us up to be hard to break down and with the usual attacking philosophy of our club would be a great combination. His attention to detail and working on drills until they are fully implemented are exactly what we need. Since Rodgers left we have lost all aspects of what we were about under Rodgers and I believe Howe could bring this back. Just some of my frustrating thoughts on the club I love right now guys. And I only mention Howe in more detail as I believe we could genuinely get the man in. 🍀.

23 Jan 2021 22:47:25
Any thoughts about getting someone in and giving them time is IMO fantasy
There would be a portion of the support, perhaps the most vocal, on their back from the get go. Across the water the rebuild manager has got a lot longer to get something that I would ever imagine. Would 3 years without any silverware be acceptable here bearing in mind they would likely win what is lost here? .
The fallout from being as successful in the past is the perception that this should be the norm, it doesn’t always follow, there’s nearly a whole generation who have lived without learning to lose . this is probably the biggest challenge for any new manager, keeping the support on his side, a couple of poor results and the old witch hunters surface
Thoughts?

24 Jan 2021 00:20:48
JFP, from memory I think Neil signed for around 6M and Eddy 9M.

Regardless, the transfer fee is irrelevant to NL's contribution and legacy to Celtic Football Club.

23 Jan 2021 12:30:29
Now am just putting this out there Benitez has just left his job in China? Could this be something Celtic should look into?

23 Jan 2021 12:42:56
Just read that myself, he said previously he was interested after BR walked but never got a call from Lawwell.
Would he come here now?

23 Jan 2021 12:57:32
Think he would do the director of football role if not the manager job? No idea if he would be good at it just thinking out loud.

23 Jan 2021 12:59:54
Benitez was on £12 million a year in China.
He was also on £4 million a year at Newcastle.
If he did come to Celtic it wouldn’t be for the money.

23 Jan 2021 13:09:42
Agree Buzz Bomb, Rafa doesn't need the cash although we could afford to pay him well.

Given his experience and successes I'd love him to rock up to the East End of Glesga and take the Hoops forward initially as Manager and then D. O. F.

23 Jan 2021 13:18:28
As sad as it is, this sound like pie in the sky the way things are going at the moment. We need a huge thing to happen if we’re to regain our title ASAP, otherwise the spiral could spin further downwards!

23 Jan 2021 13:25:19
Is Ralf Rangnick definitely out of our league excuse the pun? He’d be a great fit for our business model buying established players who are not household names and developing youth. As much as I have no interest in anything that happens south of the border football wise or other our unique selling points should be the chance to play European football and as a shop window to the EPL.

23 Jan 2021 13:39:01
Good afternoon JFP, how are you doing?

Stuartslater10 - when Pandoras box was opened and released the ills of the world only one thing remained, hope.

Apparently there are moves going on behind the scenes to totally reshape the footballing side of things at CP (just what I've read) , regardless have faith and hope - good things are coming.

23 Jan 2021 13:45:43
Dermot Desmond son Ross is joining the board in hopefully a hands on capacity.
That’s got to be positive news because they’ll maybe push the boat out similar to 2016.
It wouldn’t be the first time the Desmond family have used their own money.
I think Dermot financed MON and Brendan’s salaries.
I don’t know if it was a top up or if he financed 100% of their wages.

23 Jan 2021 13:50:04
Well said Buzz Bomb and accurate as always.

23 Jan 2021 13:50:54
BB I don’t think DD has spent any of his own cash since.

23 Jan 2021 14:01:56
JFP
I don’t think he has.
If he does finance us more this season,
He will need to live with the fact, that he had to power to finance 10 in a row last summer.
Fair enough big Fraser didn’t want to come but we should’ve got the big left footed CB from Sampdoria and Ivan Toney from Peterborough.
It wouldn’t have broken the bank but they were more expensive than the targets we brought in.

23 Jan 2021 14:02:28
I’m sure there’s things going on behind the scenes but at what level. The fact they went for Lennon in the first place or whoever even allowed Lawell to do it is worrying. In a way I’m hoping I’m not able to renew my ticket as I “forgot” to to it for this current season. That will mean there’s been a major coup. On the other hand I could renew it and get mint seats as myself, my Brother and kids have had to endure some right tad**rs over the past couple of season. In actual fact we had to write to JP to request a move which he helped with . Love The Celtic anyway 💚.

23 Jan 2021 14:04:47
think DD was paying larsson and robbie keanes wages to.

23 Jan 2021 14:24:02
No doubt he financed Roy Keanes wages when he was here also.

DD, like him or not, isn't the type of individual to come out on the balcony and should we did this or we're not doing that.

He does his business behind the scenes away from the public eye, and has been very successful in business for more than 40 years operating in that way.

The monkeys in the press would love him to be spouting nonesense like wee at Hearts or Dave the thief King once did at SEVCO as tgey could fill their columns on a daily basis - can you imagine?

I'm quietly confident he will sort this out and we'll soon have players on the park that want to give everything for Celtic and their Manager and get us back to winning ways.

23 Jan 2021 14:35:54
Pedro I agree,
I don’t think he would send his son into a circus.
They will both do everything they can to turn things around.

23 Jan 2021 10:37:23
Ed007 mornng to u and all the bhoys and Ghirls here is a question for use. With Edouard being our biggest financial player would we be best selling now if an offer come in or holding out for the summer?

23 Jan 2021 10:49:44
Id sell now, not like he's been doing much this season, get as much as we can, no one expects a big league comeback so keep players who want to be here. Christie can go aswell that's one player who annoys me evey time he plays.

23 Jan 2021 11:10:16
Steve my friend Enrico agrees with you. Take the money if deal comes in for Frenchman Eddy.

Also Christie frustrates Enrico too when he plays if we can get good offers for these guys let them go.

23 Jan 2021 11:46:42
Sell him. I've said for months his attitude stinks. France U21's are more important to him than Celtic who pay his wages. He should be tearing up this league week in week out with the ability he has but he doesn't have the mental strength to go with it. He doesn't have it in him to roll up his sleeves and grab a game by the scruff of the neck.

We would now be lucky to get £20M for him. Given we paid £10M for him and PSG apparently bank 40% of any profit we make on resale. We will make a profit of around £6M on him if he goes for £20M. As long as we get a sell on fee with whoever we sell him to its not bad business at all.

23 Jan 2021 12:19:31
I agree Delbhoy if his price tag was based on his attitude and work rate he’d be a free transfer. No loss to us based on his contribution this season. I’d rather sell him to anybody though than the man who jeopardised 9IAR.

23 Jan 2021 12:40:37
French players are brilliant when they’re on their game but they can be very temperamental and unfortunately that’s what our fans have witnessed this season from our living rooms.
I think we should look at the Scandinavian market for good bargains.
Plenty of effort and we wouldn’t need to pay, our normal over the odds wages for players who turn out to be very average.
Their players are as close to a British type of player as we’re going to get.

23 Jan 2021 12:46:36
JFP I'm not fussed about who we sell him to as long as the club gets the best possible deal.

23 Jan 2021 13:13:55
I'd sell French Eddy to the highest bidder asap as the money received should go towards funding the next manager in the summer.

23 Jan 2021 09:03:47
Today's tabloids reporting Eddie Howe now on Newcastle's radar or at least he's Fav in bookies to be their next boss.
Personally I don't want Howe it's just my opinion I think he's a good coach which is something we badly need but not a great Manager with issues dealing with top players at Bournemouth from Jack Wiltshire who agreed mutual termination to go back 6 months later when he left to Defoe situation and Josh King refusing to sign new deal and boy who went to Newcastle being less than complementary when he left.
I would go for Xavi and hope his Barcelona training methods would improve our current squad until end of season then give him tools he needs in summer for rebuilding.

{Ed001's Note - Jack Wilshere was at West Ham and is a vastly overrated (because he is English) injury-prone drunken bum, who flopped there because he won't act professionally. Can't really blame Howe for that one, though I am not a big fan of his either as he has no idea how to organise a defence and admitted his recruitment was so bad he had to hand over control of it to someone else.}

23 Jan 2021 09:27:10
Sounds like he's our man right enough ed😂.

{Ed001's Note - he is certainly very adept at signing crap keepers and used to working with billionaires, so you could be right!}

23 Jan 2021 09:59:19
what a great shout xavi would be and he is always very complimentary about our club although not sure how much english he speaks, i could easily google it but I'm not to sure how his coaching career has went so far although i do know he was seriously being consideredforf the Barcelona job before koeman got the gig.

23 Jan 2021 11:05:28
GGGG. Xavi is the best midfielder I ever saw. Utterly magnificent Would certainly be season ticket booster Not sure what he's done since retiring but a winning mindset as a given. For few years he was best player in world IMO Can remember Jackie Mac. Who was nobody's fool. Being spun 360 degrees by the little maestro and left wondering where he went. What a footballer He always speaks well of us too A xavi puyol. dream team? Or more likely a Jack Ross / Kennedy. Double act Thing with Celtic is it could b either If putting bet on I would go with latter of two.

23 Jan 2021 13:16:35
Anybody + Kennedy = chuckle bros.