Celtic Banter Archive November 22 2013

22 Nov 2013 23:41:15
UEFA have fined Ajax �20,000 (£16, 690) for the misconduct of their supporters during their Champions League game in Glasgow.

The Dutch club were accused of breaching the governing body's disciplinary regulations for "crowd disturbances and throwing of objects" by their travelling fans.

According to Ajax, the club will also be made to pay for the damage caused when fans ripped out seats at Celtic Park during their game on October 22.

The club say this amount is "similar" to that the governing body have ordered them to pay.

A statement from Ajax read: "In recent years, Ajax have been punished regularly, mostly for the lighting of fireworks. Besides the financial damage that causes the club, such misconduct also harms the image of Ajax and football in general.

"This applies to unlawful conduct in the stadium, but especially when it occurs in the inner city. Ajax will continue to act in order to prevent this misbehavior and punish [those responsible]."

They were also fined �25,000 (£20, 872) by UEFA this month because of their supporters, after it was ruled an "offensive banner" was shown during their match at the Amsterdam ArenA on November 6.

Typical £16, 690 . ( I'm not paranoid ) .DH

DH clearly a newspaper joker doing the euro exchange rate.

Clearly very bad fans, stated as such by their own club officials.
Where were the Dutch police to protect the Celtic fans (best behaved in Europe) when the Ajax fans repeatedly assaulted them?
Plain clothes officers are the worst idea for football matches. All officers should be identifiable to away fans. It's not an undercover sting. Fans now don't know wherever they go if guys approaching them are police or violent miscreants.
UEFA need to request all policing is obvious at euro matches, no plain clothes confusions. Or plain clothes thugs setting about someone for just wearing an away supporters top, and the guy thinking its five away fans doing him.

On TV coverage, online video etc, I've still to see a single undercover guy in jeans wearing a badge. Saying they had badges NYPD style around their necks looks untrue.
Policing visiting football fans with plain clothes undercover guys smacks of furtive entrapment. It's not professional policing at all. There should always be a heavy uniformed presence.

22 Nov 2013 21:25:17
The official graphics for the new approaches to Celtic Park are astounding. Absolutely world class. When the work is complete this sporting arena will be second to none.

Just a pity the planning officials dragged their heels approving it, otherwise it could have been completed in time for the commenwelth games

Any links for this mate? It's been a long time coming
HH joe

Have you got a link to this mate

cocoPops

All we need to do now is expand our stadium so it is complete the full way round thus making CP a cauldron of noise

@4 We can't sell out Celtic Park (excluding Flag Day, 3 CL Group games + the Title Party), so why increase the capacity? So the stadium looks even emptier 90% of the season? Increasing the capacity would only lead to increasing ticket prices to recover costs, and at the moment most without ST's can't afford to pay £27 to see Celtic take on other SPFL teams.

I got an email from the club, £29 for Aberdeen game today. Had the new picture on it. Celtic 2014.
I tried to put it on sightings page. {Ed007's Note - Nothing has came through to me yet.}

{Ed007's Note - That's it up now:

www.celticrumours.co.uk/ar_566.php

Yeah seen it Edo cheers.
What do u think? Tree lined avenue, ten banners each side on fancy lights. Huge crest on avenue, trees and grass side gardens with bronzes ( for weddings) with receptions inside ;) {Ed007's Note - It's a vast improvement and much needed boost to the whole area, and not before time.}

22 Nov 2013 20:51:04
It seems a Rangers fan can not come on this site and post sensible material without being pounced upon by Celtic fans. So can I just outline, for future reference, my stance on the Rangers Oldco/Newco debate. Because it seems to have got lost in translation somewhere since I started posting.

I am a Rangers fan, I have not hidden that. But I have not had my head buried in the sand all this time and I acknowledge that Rangers were liquidated and reformed (Ed007 can confirm).

However, while there is a team on the park at Ibrox, playing in blue, I will follow them. I will also continue to refer to them as Rangers for the simple reason it is easier than getting confused with oldco/newco/the rangers/sevco or whatever else.

I understand the frustrations of CFC fans and believe me I would be the same were the shoe on the other foot. But we are not all in denial so all I ask is that you actually take time to read my posts and what they are saying before hitting me with the same old "Rangers are deid" line. I enjoy this site as well as the Rangers site, but this one is always busier so I am on here more. I want to be able to come on and have sensible discussion with you, that is all.

Cheers folks.

You're very welcome OMR and you're points are noted but facts are facts your club/company were liquidated and as far as we're conserned that's the game over so continue to suppport the team in blue that plays in blue at ibrox by all means and the rivalry between you and I will still be the same but it's over gone done finished except it as it is because as I said facts are facts only a desperate media and ruling body who can't deny half of their reconised audiance are what is keeping this farce going
welcome to the site and the truth
HHThommyj

OMR do you talk with your fellow supporting friends and family about this belief? And do they agree with you?
I have two old RFC friends, university educated professionals, and they know its all new but "will go along with the story if it works". With that, of course, they lose professional respect and respect as men.

@ 2

I do, yes. My father and I still have our season tickets for Ibrox. But we both acknowledge the facts as they are.

Sorry wasn't signed in when I replied there about me and my father. But it was me.

Cheers

This is one of the biggest problems with Rangers fans concerning this- they think it's based on opinion. It's not.

OMR, I think that's quite a well written post and see your point. I am a celtic fan straight through and think quite rightly you should be able to come on this page as well as your own. chrage on mate.

@ 5

Where did I say it was about opinion? Jve said its fact plenty times.

@7)

"While there is a team on the park at Ibrox, playing in blue, I will follow them. I will also continue to refer to them as Rangers"

That is opinion- yours.

OP you're not "a Rangers fan" you're at best "a The Rangers fan". That's the whole issue.
By saying you're "a Rangers fan" is extremely sensitive for millions of people who don't believe there's a Rangers FC and who won't be duped or forced to accept it.

22 Nov 2013 18:02:40
Campbell Ogilvie, Scottish FA President: "This week, the Scottish FA's Compliance Officer has reviewed comments made by the Celtic Chief Executive, Peter Lawwell, at the club's Annual General Meeting, after receiving an official letter of complaint from Rangers Football Club.

"The Compliance Officer has informed both clubs that there is no actionable breach of the rules. None the less, I am compelled to convey my disappointment that we find ourselves in this position, as a result of an apparent erosion of mutual respect between two of our oldest rivals.

"At a time when Scottish football faces challenges on many fronts, it is incumbent on our biggest clubs to set the highest standards. In this regard both the comments made, and the subsequent time, effort and resource imposed on our Compliance Officer to deal with the complaint, were wholly unnecessary."



Thoughts folks?

Personally I think the statement is fair enough. My honest opinion is that Peter Lawell didn't need to make the joke or whatever at Celtic's AGM. I understand he got asked the question and I do feel it has all been blown out of proportion, but he should have known better and just swerved any questions about Rangers to avoid the backlash that he would have known was going to follow.

I also don't think Rangers complaining was neccessary as throughout all of this everyone at the club has maintained they don't care what others have to say and that it's all just mischief making. So what is the need to complain about a throwaway line at a Celtic AGM?

Overall though it has certainly been given far, far too much attention in the press. I feel the media (and fans either side to an extent) latch on to the tiniest little things between Celtic and Rangers these days, any interaction that they have at all, as a way of filling pages in the absence of the Old Firm derby.

The complaint has been proven to be a complete waste of people's time.

The compliance officer and Ogilvie have stated it. So sevco board are to blame for the time wasting.

PL has broken no rules or done anything wrong. He deserves no criticism. Agms are supposed to be private affairs.

With such a small time wasting matter why has the president got involved at all? Wasting more time due to the wrongful complaint. But welcomed he blamed sevco for wasting time.

It is now a precedent that the SFA can do nothing to anyone in the game who says its a new club. As it's the truth.

Campbell Ogilvie " it is incumbent on our biggest clubs to set the highest standards " . Aye right coming from a man who sat on a now defunct teams board profiting from tax cheating EBTS and non signing of players of another religion . DH

Once again THERE IS NO OLD FIRM

I have a few complaint's regarding Mr Ogilvie, 1. What doe's he mean oldest rival's. 2 He has a cheek to talk about disappointment, short memory.3 What exactly has PL done to make Mr Ogilvie disappointed, eh told the truth. 4 As head of the S.F.A he should be telling the truth about the tribute band. As an after thought knew all along they would not punish PL for telling the truth, if they had they would have had to face reality.
Spineless eveyone of them.
Tambhoy

The statement is not fair enough. The Rangers are not our 'oldest rivals'. That is the whole point. Ogilvie is, as expected, trying to move the situation on in The Rangers favour. Peter Lawell made a statement at Celtic agm. The Rangers saw fit to complain. The complaint has been thrown out (because certain questions are not welcome in certain places) so why come out with this stupid statement? Either PL was wrong or the complainers were wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the club called The Rangers is anything but Scotland's newest club. Keep the history but not the debts incurred during the history? Impossible.
Say it again Peter.

Not far far too much time in press at all. You're scared. I smell it.
We need this issue to go viral. Bring it to the fore. Get Peter to comment. Get it across all media.
IT EFFECTIVELY PROVES ITS A NEW CLUB AND THE SFA (OGILVIE) wants it shut up.

I'm scared? Scared of what exactly? I never once said anything about Rangers being dead or alive. If you ask Ed007, he will tell you that I have acknowledged on here previously that I accept Rangers are not the same as they once were.

Oglivie once again there to muddy the waters he never actually gave a definitive answer where was that spinless regan or Doncaster who are the leaders fact is pl in the clear therefore New Club

@7) OMR is this positioning an acceptance that you believe the current club at Ibrox does not have 140 year history and the claim to that history by them is wrong?
Sons of Truth

@ 9

Yes, that is correct. I have never hidden from the facts.

@omr wot is u can't get about the fact Rangers are no more, the team now playing at their old asbestos ground are called The Rangers, sevco, newco, but certainly not Rangers (they're dead)? WTF planet is Ogilvie on talking about oldest rivals? can't wait for the newco to go bust.

23 Nov 2013 11:05:40
OMR Your honesty is refreshing and you seem very reasonable, however; "I accept Rangers are not the same - - - - as they once were." maybe you choked on the missing word? You can do it, OMR and we can help you. It seems difficult now but you'll feel better in the end. pea

"between two of our oldest rivals" lol. One was founded in 1888, the other in 2012, and they've never played each other?!

22 Nov 2013 11:34:51
Well I've just went on to Celtic's official site, I won't say I'm surprised cause I'm not, but their continued silence is deafening and will only lead to more empty seats. I will always support the team on the pitch, but the club we once knew and loved is almost as dead as RFC. Once a charity for those in need, now just another multi million pound corporation! #JusticForTheCeltic6

". the club we once knew and loved is almost as dead as RFC."

What a load of nonsense!

Henriks Tongue

The same club that just donated 10 grand to the philippines? The same club who raised all that money for Kenya last year? Not to mention Stan petrovs leukemia foundation? Aye Celtic really are a heartless corporation lol.

Darrenbhoy

Good to be back gents, hello

I think with pistol pete's little pop at them last week was well intentioned to open a can of worms . The rangers 2012 are fuming and want get the sfa involved . Good I say cause this should put this to bed once for all. If its the same club pay your debts and keep your history! If you don't want to pay your debt keep your mouth shut and climb the leagues with some dignity unfortunately for them they have a sleekit slug at the helm and he does not do that he has more faces than a town clock. oh and another thing while i'm on rant mode I honestly think the tribute act have the thickest fans on the planet seriously they are a bitter bunch of clowns who simply won't accept what all of scotlands knows "yer died" mm

HhhhhaaamiltonBhoy don't be a silly billy, ., .kbarry

Make your mind up Hamiltonbhoy, how will more seat's be empty if you will support the team on the pitch?
Tambhoy

@1 Why is it nonsense? What's your source of debate in that?

@2 Giving to Phillippines + Kenya but can't legally support their own paying fans who were subject to corruption and police brutality. Real sense in that!

@4 Why am I being silly?

@5 As I said, I will continue to support those on the pitch, others won't now they know the club don't care about "supporters" (or as the board look at us - paying customers). It really wouldn't surprise me if these bhoys get letters through the post issuing them with bans from Celtic Park now. That would be the salt in the wounds!

The reason why I care so much about Celtic looking after our own is I know three of the lads personally and they are far from the kind to go to football and cause bother. They like a drink, who doesn't? If Celtic don't care how we are treated on foreign land, then who's to say other police forces and courts won't treat us the same from now on?! {Ed007's Note - I know young Damian Dobbin and his family very well and they used to get the same supporters bus as me, he was definitely not the type to go out looking for trouble. As soon as I heard he was involved I said to my Mrs that can't be right and she agreed it must be someone else with the same name.}

Aye I know Deebs as well Ed, also work with his mum. Tam Kennedy (my flat mate's cousin) is the luckiest bhoy in the world at the bookies, clearly lacks in luck when it comes to other aspects in life. I was in Amsterdam with a few pals rather than on my CSC's bus, met a couple lads from Hamilton in McDs the morning after the game and couldn't believe my ears when they told me a few Hamilton/Blantyre bhoys had been jailed! {Ed007's Note - It's a bizarre situation overall but hopefully the whole truth will come out.}

22 Nov 2013 02:37:00
SIX clubs are to be investigated for possible breaches of UEFA's financial fair play regulations, the European governing body has announced.

"The UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) investigatory chamber, chaired by Jean-Luc Dehaene, has announced that six clubs involved in the 2013/14 UEFA club competitions have been referred to the CFCB adjudicatory chamber, " UEFA said in a statement, adding that a verdict is expected in all six cases before the end of the year.

"The introduction of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations has already had a very positive impact on the scale of overdue payables towards clubs, employees and social/tax authorities, as they have decreased from E57m in June 2011 to E9m in June 2013, " UEFA said.

"A similar trend was observed in September 2013."


Surely most of that reduction was due to rfc going bust in 2012?