Celtic Banter Archive May 22 2019

 

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22 May 2019 21:52:42
Just read something there suggesting Kouassi is finished at Celtic should we sign the boy Stirling from WBA, have to say I disagree with this totally. For a start Kouassi is only 20 and while he has struggled to break into the team as yet, we have seen the odd glimpse of what he can do. I for one wouldn't be keen to see him shipped out the door, certainly in some games in Europe away from home I would prefer to see us play with at least a couple of more defensive minded CM's to make us that wee bit more solid and difficult to break down. Much like the approach we see from a few teams when they come to Celtic park and something BR was never going to implement.

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22 May 2019 22:56:09
That bhoy has definitely got something. He was great in 1st leg against the Russians. I think if he hadn't got injured then he'd have played this season for sure.
He tried to play on after a serious injury if I remember correctly as well. So bhoy has heart tae.

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22 May 2019 22:59:13
A new manager might see things with kouassi differently. Just need to wait and see who is appointed.

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22 May 2019 23:13:01
There's a player there in Kouassi and was playing okay until injury. Would rather we gave him a fair crack over this Harper lad. Would rather him over Bitton.

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23 May 2019 00:05:09
The best thing would be to get him out on loan to get him some proper game time. Motherwell maybe if we go in for Turnbull?

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23 May 2019 06:17:08
Kouassi is rubbish, he's had chances and showed very little, he constantly passes the ball backwards. His performance away to Hearts when we lost 1-0 was enough for me that he will never be good enough, time to clear out the dead wood.

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23 May 2019 08:50:01
Think he needs a run of games and a good run but he's always injured and might be better cutting our losses or get him out on loan.

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23 May 2019 09:00:59
Absolute nonsense talk about a kid who has struggled with new culture, country and sustained a really bad injury. Certainly a player in there given some glimpses and to write players off as dead wood at 20 is wrong. Hopefully he will get another contract as he clearly has shown ability to bring him in so young.

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23 May 2019 09:25:56
He's sustained more than one bad injury. nobodies writing him off but the proofs in front of you he's always injured and when he has played he's been ok in some games.

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23 May 2019 09:42:04
Funny the way Sinclair get slatted on here when he has a few bad games but has still managed 18 goal this season and cost 3.5 million while koussai has had one decent game against the Russian side since he signed for Celtic for 3 million. Been a poor signing for the money we paid.

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23 May 2019 10:03:43
Before Kouassi got his bad injury in the semi final, the only injury he had before that was an ankle injury, which kept him out for only 2 months, in his career. He has had fitness issues which have also kept him out the team.
Its always been the same since we paid 3 million for him, the fans sticking up for him, saying he will come good, its not going to happen, its been another poor buy.
He is not 20,he will be 22 in December, with only one year left of a 4 year deal.

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23 May 2019 11:14:38
Ter 161 I was the one who mentioned the Russian game and every regular on here will tell you I am a massive fan of Sinclair who backs him to the hilt.

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23 May 2019 15:32:05
Kev83 l never said you said anything against Sinclair. But people have been hammering Scotty at times on here. I was simple stating that koussai was similar money and for me has been a poor signing for the money paid compared to what Sinclair has done.

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22 May 2019 20:37:01
Ma heed is burst. Rafa favourite again.

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22 May 2019 21:52:25
Newcastle press are saying he’s close to new contract and maybe something signed by start of next week, but stranger things have happened, don’t think it will be Lennon, mybes ayes mybes naws as long as not Moyes.

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23 May 2019 17:22:01
AVB with some JJ. They don't have a scooby hence it changing almost daily. The bookies and media are clueless.

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22 May 2019 18:16:36
Chris Houghton next Celtic manager🤔.

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22 May 2019 18:45:07
Hope your right. Could do worse. I think Lenny will get it though. Just hope its not Moyes. Just don't think Moyes is right for us. Houghton is liked and respected. Plenty of contacts too i imagine.

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22 May 2019 19:07:34
Just another no chance name. Eds what do use think with names being blasted out hear there and everywhere. At one point it was possibly down to Clarke and Lennon. So now is it Lennons when it is named?

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22 May 2019 19:24:15
Rich who actually said I was down to Lennon and Clarke. To be honest none of us know that for sure.

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22 May 2019 19:56:15
Hughton really isn't a no chance name.

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22 May 2019 20:48:31
Who it will be, who it won't be, who it might be.

Roll on Saturday.

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22 May 2019 20:23:10
It was an opinion from someone I forget who I was just looking for some insight from the Eds if they have any.

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22 May 2019 20:58:01
To me all the signs are pointing at Lenny as our next manager. If he is then he'll have my 100% unwavering support. I'd rather we went for a big name but remember that would eat up a lot of our available cash. He is Celtic to the core even if some fans don't want him and if his appointment means we'll get some serious investment in the playing squad then I'll be OK with that. HH.

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22 May 2019 22:47:23
Chris Hughton does not impress me at all and it worries me that we would reduce our ambitions from a manager brought in 2015, that challenged for the EPL to one that has frequently flirted with relegation and been sacked more times than not.

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22 May 2019 23:00:47
BobTheCat there's no way it will be Lennon. Board won't risk it.

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22 May 2019 23:19:20
Didn't we get £8.5m or something for the snake? Surely that's enough to cover a top managers wage for the next 2-3 years. There's plenty in the bank to fund new players while moving on players that are surplus.

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23 May 2019 08:48:16
Why Hughton? I’d take Kennon before him as Lennon had proved in the past he can build a team to win leagues and do ok in Europe, Hughton on the other hand has been sacked from every job he’s been in.

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23 May 2019 17:23:38
The cash is there from Leicester Bob there is no reason why we shouldn't use the lot to attract the best.

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23 May 2019 17:24:53
Rafa’s name is not going away even with reports from Newcastle reporting new deal close. sky bet have him at 5/ 2 and Moyes 7/4? if Celtic have been looking they’ve done really well to keep quiet.

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23 May 2019 17:22:33
I think you could count on one hand the number of managers in EPL that HAVEN'T been sacked!

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22 May 2019 15:41:36
A Kilmarnock supporting mate of mine messaged me to say he's been told Neil Lennon is high on their list of candidates to replace Steve Clarke.

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22 May 2019 16:03:37
Wouldn't surprise me. I was thinking he could end up at the sheep after McInnis but truth I think he's got the Celtic job.

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22 May 2019 16:13:32
Type of club where he would do well.

Hoping our club announce a good level manager right after the cup final 🙏.

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22 May 2019 16:52:19
Nobody knows who is going to be the manager. According to the bookies yesterday it was moyes and rafa pushed out to 6_1. Now today Rafa is favourite again. I just hope its not Lennon, since he came back the football has been dire and his substitutions have been bizzare.

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22 May 2019 18:01:18
Benitez has agreed to stay at Newcastle so it won’t be him.

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22 May 2019 18:52:24
I really hope you are correct Ice Man.

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22 May 2019 23:06:51
There's no smoke without fire and if killie are stating that, then suggests to me they have information he will be available or Lennons agent has approached them.

I'm confident this time next week new manager will be announced and it won't be Lennon.

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22 May 2019 15:00:06
I know a lot of online talk is just that, talk. But rumours are that Nitcham is "unsettled" and Celtic have slapped £7m price tag on him, yet last year Porto were prepared to pay £14m so his value has halved. Add that to the £9m we apparently lost for Boyata. That is money that could have helped us sign decent replacements.
Lawwell and Rodgers both made a mess of handling both these players situations.
I just hope Pedro does not feck up our new manager quest as well.

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22 May 2019 16:05:29
We got 7 million for Armstrong.7 million VVD addon and 9.5 million for BRexit. Also 20 million for Dembele. Many slag off Lawell but he knows his stuff when it comes to generating £££'s. There was no actual offer for Ntcham and I'm sure Pedro won't let him go on the cheap. Boyata scenario was a disaster.

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22 May 2019 16:07:25
Got to disagree there tim.
We didn't have enough time to get a replacement for boyata so keeping him was essential
Winning the league was a must and the big man played his part.
We now have a pop at 40 million because of that.
Who said ntcham is now worth half what he was last season?
Anyone think pistol Pete will fold like that is aff there nut.
This guy got 7 million for a player in the last year of his contract remember.

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22 May 2019 16:11:06
Tim this is the sort of thing I’ve been saying for a long time. Lawwell/ the board have put us in a difficult situation this summer and no one is looking at it that way. We’ve got a bigger rebuilding job than the rangers this summer. The board must deliver this summer after there failures last summer. No excuses as they have the resources and the backing of the fans going by ST sales.

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22 May 2019 16:14:56
Surley nonsense, value halved after a contract extension 🧐

Clearly a load of Raffael Scheidt.

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22 May 2019 16:55:10
I disagree with Kev, Boyata should never have played for us after refusing to play for us. He is as bad as the snake in my opinion. Glad to get shot of him😁.

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22 May 2019 16:55:56
Bigger rebuild than rangers? Where do people get this rubbish?

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22 May 2019 17:09:13
David end of the day he helped us win points. How would you have played instead Hendry? The rest all had runs of injuries.

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22 May 2019 17:11:46
Same Kev, I read today that an ex sevconian player was spouting about that we have a bigger rebuilding job than them. seemingly us winning the league by 9 points was all but a dream. We need some quality additions to the squad, but we are still the champions and should be respected as such.

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22 May 2019 17:21:18
We don’t have a bigger rebuilding job than Sevco.

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22 May 2019 17:59:35
Not one of they're players would make our starting line up. So who anyone claims our build is bigger than theirs is beyond me.
I really can't believe any Celtic fan would believe that nonsense.

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22 May 2019 18:33:02
I believe we’ve got a lot of work to do. Maybe a bit too far saying we have a bigger job to do than sevco but we need a good 4-5 first team players to challenge again this season. The players can’t cope with another year. Plus i imagine we’ll lose 1 or 2 first team players again.

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22 May 2019 18:50:02
That i can agree with ken, pretty much spot on.

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22 May 2019 19:07:29
Think keeping Boyata probably won us the league. Maybe the few replacements we had in mind was unavailable so it was more beneficial to lose Boyata for free in the summer than sell him and replace him for a lesser player.

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22 May 2019 19:19:13
Looking at the standard of player they are recruiting, plus those who will not be retained, they are still well below our quality and class and before anyone mentions the game at Ibrox, the league table and trophy cabinet variations of the two clubs says it all.
We retained our dominant position regardless of so many hurdles and difficult situations and played well within ourselves for months.
The biggest transition for us will be managerial and after that the recruitment objectives, clearing out and consolidation will follow.

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22 May 2019 21:43:03
Brendan Rodgers planned in January 2018 to bring in not one but two replacements for Boyatac, by doing so he gave Boyata 6 months notice that Celtic would be selling him . B R signed Compper and Hendry two big centre halves that B R thought he had a top man for the short term and long term .
No doubt Boyata thought his time at Celtic was ending in the summer when there was just a year left . He thought a deal could be made to suit everyone, Celtic get a decent transfer fee and he could sign for a club in a top league .
The fact that Brendan had signed not one but two centre halves that were a disappointment to most Celtic fans and neither could fill Boyata's shoes was hardly his fault.

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22 May 2019 22:41:01
Did anyone see the mocked up table some person made up, they showed what the league wouldve looked like if the last ten minutes of every game weren't counted. Surprise surprise they finished top. Honestly they'll do anything to convince themselves they're challenging.

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22 May 2019 22:58:36
But refusing to play was OMC. No excuse for that and because of it no Celtic fan is sad to see him away.

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23 May 2019 16:41:28
Kev83. Last summer we did'nt think B R was as big a rat and liar as we found out in February . Liar Rodgers fed us the Boyata story and at that time we believed him. After Brendan left I have had suspicions of the whole Boyata Rodgers summer scene and I have to say, I have no reason to believe Rodgers and I think BR may have more dirt on his hands than we were led to believe .
I am sure B R made a total hash of our summer transfer window . BR couldn't handle losing both Boyata and M D leave at end of window . He decided to stand up to Boyata and cost club £9m He knew that M D wanted to leave before the last couple of days of window and hoped to run time down . Brendan was out of his depth and didn't do best for club . He had lost the confidence of two key players.

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22 May 2019 13:27:10
When the season ends after the weekend if we win it will be celebrated but no for long ten all talk will be about next manager who will be presented as the manager? Me thinks that once the dust has settled I now think that Lennon will be that man. He knows the club and what it takes to achieve here. He has the backing from the players and once given a transfer window he will bring in his own gel them with the old ones. This is the safest choice he may bring in his pal Gary Parker to be HROF rather than a DOF time will tell what’s your thoughts on this EDs.

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22 May 2019 13:56:12
If Lennon gets the job a lot of players will leave as they don't rate his coaching methods, They are used to a top coach and unless the board realise this we will go backwards, Lennon has been great after Rodgers deserted us, but he's had his time and new top manager is needed with new ideas.

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22 May 2019 14:16:53
How do you know players don't like him?

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22 May 2019 14:47:16
They do like him as a person but not his coaching methods,

Im only relaying what i have been told from a contact who talks to few players.

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22 May 2019 15:31:05
He certainly does rub some players up the wrong way and we saw it during his last time as manager and it's pretty obvious his management style compared to our last manager is night and day.
Whether he has gained more experience/ knowledge in tactics, fitness and training methods since 2012/ 13 is also up for debate by some?
The next managerial appointment is the biggest decision since 2015 and has to be the right man on several different plains - long term; as we certainly don't want to go back to a scenario like in the 90's with a list of nine (incl interims) tried - tested - and failed candidates, misguided appointments and short-stays.

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22 May 2019 15:46:38
In the matches he has been in charge of, the performances have been very uninspired.
When an interim manager takes over a club there is quite often an improvement in results and performances, this is why sometimes they get the job full time.
In our case though, the opposite seems to be happening, we are struggling to score goals and our build up play has been slow and predictable. If he can't inspire the players when he is in temporary charge, then I can't see it would be any different if he had the job full time.

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22 May 2019 16:18:47
A man that failed to deliver a treble against poorer competition, he is no better than Deila.

Hopefully he gets the win on Saturday and. can leave on a high and get a job at a good mid table club.

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22 May 2019 17:17:29
Players are under contract and will only leave if they are allowed to. As for rubbing players up the wrong way, Jock Stein did that and whilst he lost quite a few players because they couldn’t handle it, the ones he had on board would have run through a brick wall for him. On the subject of trebles, before Rodgers arrived we had only ever won the treble 3 times in our unbroken history. Of the 21 previous managers, up to that point, only two managed to do it, Jock Stein (twice) and Martin O’Neill. It seems to me that to judge a manager on being unable to deliver a treble is an indication of how ‘entitled’ a lot of us have become.

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22 May 2019 18:05:15
COYBIG every manager up until Lennon had serious competition to stop them doing trebles.
Leñnon couldn't do it with none.
As for Stein not worrying about not rubbing up players the wrong way?
That's 50 years out of date.
Players have all the power now.
They can't be treated they way Stein use to treat them.

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22 May 2019 19:42:49
Careful Kev, you’re starting to sound a bit like Dave King. Next you’ll be saying the titles we won when ‘they’ weren’t there don’t count.

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22 May 2019 11:13:15
Hi all, so for a bit of fun and because I'm a sad act I'm going to list all the players we have been linked with during the window and actually see who we end up signing. This is the current list I have set up, I just wondered what everyone's thoughts were on the current links. Again Scott Brown mentioned that a lot of new faces would be coming in and a lot of players would be leaving. Maybe that signals a clean out and a refreshed squad. Hopefully this is the case.

Diemers - Fortuna Sittard - CM
Lys Mousset - Bournemouth - Wing
Dara O'Shea - West Brom - CB
Rekeem Harper - West Brom - CM
Fikayo Tomori - Derby - CB
Roman Darcy - Bolton - ST
Charles Jesaja Herman - Wolfsburg - ST
Salas Wamangituka - Paris FC - ST.

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22 May 2019 13:21:33
Diemers - No idea
Mousset - Tidy enough player but for the reported 10m? No thanks.
O'Shea - No idea
Harper - No thanks
Tomori - Looks a good young CB
Darcy - No idea
Hermann - No idea
Wamangituka - No idea + I think NL said that wasn't the player he was watching.

You missed Alberth Elis off that list Ken mate. We're looking at him according to Izzy 🤔.

Overall it doesn't really scream quality over quantity still does it. Could be some decent projects in there but that's about it.

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22 May 2019 14:51:03
Who’s scouting these player . just the now surely we can’t be actively chasing players . when we don’t even have a manager confirmed . An if we are surely he that tells that Lenny will be here one way or another next season . Because surely the caliber of managed we are after will want to select his own targets.

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22 May 2019 15:29:59
What has Congerton been doing for the last 2/ 3 years. Obviously we’ve had targets in the past. Do we just throw out all those note books when the Head scout leaves? No we don’t. We use the information we had.

Scouts can also be hired externally. Basically self employed and are paid to scout and create reports.

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22 May 2019 15:39:08
Paddybhoy we SIGNED Craig Gordon when we didn't even have a manager. Never mind scouting players.

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22 May 2019 15:51:56
Who said that these were the players we were looking at, it’s like the the new manager, many names mentioned then when it is confirmed we were the first to tell you. oldkilly.

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22 May 2019 16:43:30
Surely any decent manager would want to have some say on the ins and outs of his team . I am not saying past scouted player should be binned or that but the new manager especially a decent one would want to run the rule over them . Not unless the manager has already been selected and behind the scenes having some input . it’s all guess work the now really let’s get sat out the way first sort our hangover on Sunday. Manager position clarified Monday . Then roll on transfer speculations for the next few weeks.

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22 May 2019 16:46:08
Was meant to be a laugh lads lighten up a bit.

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22 May 2019 17:35:44
Aye your right lol . and to be honest I hardly know anything about the players mentioned.

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22 May 2019 20:47:29
I can't believe fans think that scouting and transfer business just stops because the manager leaves. Do they think that strategies just get binned and start again.
Continuality at a club our size is massively important.

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22 May 2019 21:56:50
I would like to think the process of identifying prospects and working on them and preparing for signing them should proceed whether a club have a manager in place or not . In most progressive clubs the managers don't be involved in the sanctioning of new players.

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22 May 2019 22:33:55
To be honest some deals take months sometimes years to put in place. I’m sure clubs at the top level have long term transfer plans alongside there existing short term transfers, acting as a sort of compensation fee for developing the player. We will sign player x from you in 1.5 years for this fee etc. But the deal doesn’t actually get pushed through till that window 1.5 years later. If that makes sense. I’m sure something like that happened with James Rodriguez in the Bayern deal.

For instance Frenkie De Jong before signing for Ajax cost £1 from Willem II. I expect willem to get a cut of the transfer to Barcelona but needed a fee to gain the sell on clause or something along those lines. I’m sure I’ve seen the EDs explaining a year or two ago but I’m paraphrasing!

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{Ed001's Note - Ajax paid over £9m for him. Willem II will get a part of 5% that is split between the clubs that developed him. Not sure exactly how much they will get, as Ajax might get some of that.}

22 May 2019 11:08:02
Guys I think it's a near certainty that Lennon will be our new manager. All the paper talk has been created just to get a story out and absolutely none of their rumours have any credibility. I like Chris Sutton but I think he was wrong when he said about an offer being made to Mourinho, I don't think it ever happened. Everything is gearing up for a Lennon return from what I can see. I read that the Board want Lennon but they are a little hesitant because of the fans reaction to it so far however I do think they will go ahead and appoint him. HH.

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22 May 2019 12:14:23
I think Lennon will be a candidate but I don't think he'll get the job. He may be offered a job with the club but whether he takes it or not is a different matter. Love the guy but hope its not him.

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22 May 2019 12:18:10
I've Heard Moyes is getting the job don't know what to make of it though.

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22 May 2019 14:45:15
If it is as suggested the now a shoot out between Lenny and moyes . Let see a list of pros and cons between the 2 personally neither excite me but i will try pick the positives from who ever is appointed.

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23 May 2019 21:31:49
That's surely a novel way of picking a manager . Narrowing it down to the final two candidates, a member of thee Board going into goals and the final two candidates taking alternative penalties until a winner is declared.

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22 May 2019 10:11:30
We need to sign David Turnbull from Motherwell. This kid is the real deal, get ntcham out the door.

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22 May 2019 12:14:39
Ntcham is the real deal.

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22 May 2019 12:21:47
Ntcham is a cracking player that has suffered through injury this season. He'll be a right important player next season if still here.

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22 May 2019 12:53:55
Look st his performance on Sun tgats the ntcham we know bags of ability.

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22 May 2019 12:55:47
I really like Ntcham and he is a cracking player when he is on his game but he has seemed well off it since Dembele left.

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22 May 2019 16:40:29
Well he should be happy again now we have a Dembele back I the squad. 😂😂.

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22 May 2019 08:22:47
Reports today Rafa to stay at Newcastle so that’s one name down. It has to be Lennon’s job surely.

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22 May 2019 10:28:13
Where are you seeing the reports mate? Had a look and can't see anything.

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22 May 2019 13:09:46
Newcastle chronicle.

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22 May 2019 13:23:03
Sorry, I did see that. They've put another post out saying that the reports were inaccurate and talks are ongoing.

I was told that he has agreed wages and budgets with Celtic, Newcastle is his preferred option but if he doesn't get guarantees then we are in pole position to sign him.

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22 May 2019 15:03:51
He’s come into favourite again with paddy power today, although this seems to change every few hours.

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22 May 2019 16:42:07
That's probably cause Timalloy keeps whacking big bets on it.

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22 May 2019 08:03:59
Great to see young Dembele in action. Was only able to see YouTube highlights. But when the hearts player tackled him and he went down and just got straight back up and ran with the ball towards goal I was off my seat. Glad to see Lennon gave him the time, looked like he was loving it. Hail Hail.

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22 May 2019 00:52:44
Does anyone think Karamoko Dembele should get a place on the subs bench for the final.

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22 May 2019 05:54:50
Over burke yes.

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22 May 2019 08:32:38
Would be a slap on the kisser to the players that have played all season.

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22 May 2019 08:49:53
Na he doesn't deserve to take the place of someone whos played a part in getting us there.

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22 May 2019 09:51:27
Slap in the face to who? Players have been poor all year and he done more in a 45 min spell than some

Out with the old and in with the new

I’d even have Henderson in ahead of Rogic.

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22 May 2019 09:53:05
Rubbish. no place for sentiment. there is a treble treble to be won. places should be earned on current form. young Dembele did more in his first 10 mins than Burke has done for weeks!
Not saying he is ready for first team football every week but the lift the whole stadium got when he appeared on Saturday was fantastic. definitely a star of the future.

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22 May 2019 10:15:42
I would give Dembele the second half again after his performance last week HH.

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22 May 2019 10:52:50
It's important to remember Dembele was up against another 16 year old in Hickey. Probably one of the reasons he was given his chance second half. We know he's more than capable of beating players his own age but up against first team players let's not put too much pressure on the young lad just yet.

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22 May 2019 12:05:21
I'd have him on the Bench and bring on either if we are winning by a couple or need a goal with 20 to go. I'd also go with Johnston over rogic and have Henderson on the bench. All 3 deserve it off recent form. More than rogic, burke and a couple of others. I thinks it's time we start really giving our youth a chance some very good youngsters with huge potential. I look at ajax this year and think we can do that if we are run properly. We have the players coming g through to do it.

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22 May 2019 12:56:42
There's 5 sub places up for grabs de cries benkovic ntcham possibly hayes or sinc maybe Ralston so where do you got found dembelle unless they've changed the rules and your allowed more subs.

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22 May 2019 13:07:37
I thought it was 7 Mally?

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22 May 2019 00:03:27
Fair play to N Lennon, despite some doubters he managed to fulfill one of his promises and get Dembele on the pitch and played him for 45 minutes without any injury or harm . Him Johnstone and Henderson reminded me of days gone by when the Managers let us see a wee bit of the future .

The three youngsters were excellent .
I thought Ralston had a very good first half hour but seemed to be out on his feet far too early . Is this the step up from reserve, underage football too big a gap . Would a run of half a dozen first team games in 6 weeks in new season, help him?

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22 May 2019 00:37:15
He's not long back from injury Chris that may be a part of his lack of fitness also.

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22 May 2019 07:42:30
Sorry to say but I don't think Ralston will ever make it at Celtic but I would love him to be prove me wrong.

We definitely need a first choice quality right back because Lustig has been finished for over 2 years now.

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22 May 2019 08:33:01
He just needs games and to work on his final ball.

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22 May 2019 09:52:27
Ralston will be a good solid right back. He won't be a marauder like KT but he will defend well and that's his job.

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22 May 2019 09:52:40
Thought Ralston was poor, the free transfer from Caley showed up him up

Simply not good enough and should be moved on.

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22 May 2019 10:11:07
Most Celtic supporters want to see Ralston develop like KT and form a long-term full back partnership, but for one reason or another he has not managed a long enough run in the team to establish himself.
On top of that we have seen guys like Gamboa and Toljan brought in to deputize for Lustig ahead of him and we have signed the American duo Gutman and Perez who I think can both play full-back, so once again he may have to prove himself to a new manager in the summer?

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22 May 2019 15:24:57
I also think Ralston needs a run in the team to show what he can do. As far as never being good enough for Celtic as some seem to think it is too early to say and i seem to remember reading on here the same type of thing being said about Forrest and others.

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