Celtic Banter Archive July 22 2013

22 Jul 2013 22:01:36
Ed
Is there any word on Mackay-Stephens coming to Celtic? It seems strange there hasn't been a move for a talented lad like him. Is there a reason why we haven't shown interest?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy {Ed007's Note - It seems he is happy to spend another season at Dundee Utd. He is contracted until 2015 so he will still have a year to run on it next summer. So unless someone offers silly money for him he will probably stay at Tannadice.}

Dont get me wrong I think this boy has talent, but he never seems to really dominate a game. Granted, as a winger that might be a big ask, but is he any better than Forrest?. green jhedi

Forrest generally plays up right wing with Izzagere and Sami running left wing.

Mackay Steven is solidly left wing.

He'll be half the price next season.

22 Jul 2013 19:40:23
Why is the game not on tv tomorrow?

MikeyBhoy88

Simple. Its because its Celtic. This crummy wee country just can't stand our success. Notice tv Alba are showing Sevco game at the weekend.
JK

Celtictv channel67?

22 Jul 2013 18:29:41
Ed you heard anything about a signing. lenny said he hoped to have a striker on by tomorrow. Do you have any idea who this could be? {Ed007's Note - Sorry Marco I don't have a clue but he wouldn't be eligible to play anyway.}

I know he would be ineligible buddy just desperate for a new signing lol

22 Jul 2013 16:53:35
ED007, Green Jhedi and Briggs and all others who responded to my post yesterday about golf, cricket and cycling, my point was TELEVISED sport.
Golf is over 4 days, cricket over 5 days and even then can be a boring draw and cycling is over 2 weeks. I will give you some of the sprints at the Tour de France can be exciting, but how long do they last? Also I agree with F1 motor racing being boring ED007, let's be honest most people only tune in hoping for a crash.
Another boring sport is snooker, these games can drag on for hours with little happening.
Yes we have all been at boring football games also, but nothing can match the excitement when your team comes back from a 2 goal deficit to win a match. hail hail Timalloy

If I'm being totally honest Tim when I watch any sport tournaments, (football apart) wether its golf, tennis, snooker, dart etc I look forward to the quarter final stages onwards, with golf its the last two days when things start to happen and get interesting. Did you watch the ryder cup last day? fantastic spectacle! So I tend to agree in part with your views mate.

Briggs {Ed007's Note - Darts is awful to watch and tennis really annoys me. Especially Andy Murray and his mother, Sigmund Freud could have a field day with those two.}

@Timalloy; got to be honest mate I can watch most sport if it is the real top players competing. Golf, Tennis and of course Football are the favourites. Formula one? not a chance.Never a TV event.Cycling? Not for me, I find it very tedious.

@Briggs: don't start Bond about Mrs Murray! Although I do agree with his Freudian theories. It's very clear she has a problem with Murray's girlfriend!. green jhedi

Oh I find the Mother Murray strange!

I used to quite enjoy Athletics and liked events like the 100m sprint at the Olympics but seem to have lost all interest in that now.

If you can gamble on a sport then its on in my house, I do not like Golf, Darts or Horse Racing.

When I was younger on a Saturday my Dad has his coupon on and his lines for the horses. I could take that and it was fine but its on ALL the time now. I do miss the vidiprinter on a Saturday when all football was played at 3pm (was it Grandstand?)

Cricket is just a big game of rounders ~ Mrs E

Darts and snooker are not sports, they are games.
There is no cardio vascular effort.
They will never be eligible for sports grants or be played at the Olympics. Zero physical effort is required. {Ed007's Note - I wouldn't be too sure about snooker, I'm sure there were talks of it becoming an Olympic sport. So why is shooting an Olympic sport? There's no cardiovascular effort in that, or Archery, have you ever thought it is a bit of a class thing rather than sportsmanship or effort?
There's not many free tennis courts or free show-jumping classes for youngsters where I stay, and I never got archery at school. Yet the private school 10 mins down the road from the one I went to had it's own swimming pool, tennis courts and athletics track, funny that. Sorry for the rant btw.}

I have a problem with Murrays girlfriend! Sopotcelt

007, the wonderful private school had archery, swimming pool, underwater archery, etc. Because wealthy parents pay big money and that goes into investing into such necessities which produces Olympic champions like Zara Philips. There's lots of cardio vascular effort from the horses don't you know?
You can't get everything for nothing. You'll be asking for free performance enhancing drugs next.

@5 Sopotcelt: looser trousers might help that problem mate.it did for me!. green jhedi

@5) yes whistling with her fingers. U can take the girl out the scheme.

Interesting variety of opinions. Tennis these days, just listen with eyes closed and it sounds like one of those items Cameron wants to ban (so I am informed!). Tennis? Well in fairness the single bloke or girls can be out there for a few hours on their own. No half-time whistle, no other players to take up the slack when a wee rest is called for so I can appreciate it. (not over fond of it but. ) Golf-I watch the camera go up, then down and until it zooms in, I can't see anything Boring. As is darts, snooker etc. But hey, diversity is what counts and some people love these sports. Just my tuppenceworth

My favourite television sport is women's beach volleyball! And my least favourite, darts! Seriously what is that all about? When I came to the UK to live I couldn't believe it was on prime time television! Unbelievable!

Taz {Ed007's Note - I remember a late-night TV show called Topless Darts, and it's follow up Topless Darts on the Moon, they were quite watchable I guess.}

I really really enjoy croquet and drinking Pimms of course!

Topless Darts on the moon? Never heard of it but sounds interesting. Must be something else watching when the gravity is less! Mind you I went to a topless bar in Pattaya once, never really enjoyed it, with all these half naked guys serving drinks! lol keep up the banter Bhoys. TinyTim

22 Jul 2013 16:05:07
So the Hooper saga is set to rumble on. Firstly I harbour no ill feelings to Hooper.His career choices are entirely up to him. It appears he has been unable to agree terms with anyone and will be staying at Celtic.This is where the problems start.

What do Celtic do here? Do we play a player who does not see his mid to long term future with us? Do we halt the progression of a younger player by playing Hoops ahead of him? In my opinion we should not.He can be part of the first team squad but not as first pick striker.green jhedi

Whatever Celtic decide to do, I suppose its a game by game decision, we the fans cannot possibly turn on Hooper. That would be wrong, unsporting and disgraceful against a Celt. He has proven a great signing and never said a wrong word. Fans cannot turn nasty on players because they don't do exactly what some fans want.

Would offer any money being considered for hooper to samaras, loves the club the fans and to see him with the wee Bhoy from Belfast last week was a joy to watch, he epitomised what being a Celt means, the wee boy adored him, brilliant to watch

Ska Bhoy

If he stays and doesn't sign a new contract I think we should still play him, if he's the best available striker and we are paying him weather he plays or not then he'd be a first pick imo. mark

It appears Hooperman's value of himself falls short of the market's valuation in terms of wages. There's a lesson there. You're only worth what you get. Not a dime more. This should give him valuable insight into adjusting his perception of himself to the market. He should balance up his best offer against celtics offer. Make a decision and commit to it professionally. Does anyone know the kind of wages Celtic are offering and others are offering?

Totally agree ska bhoy. Love big Sammy. Everyone seems to have a different opinion of Hooper but I'm past caring at this point. Give Sammy a lifetime contract and ill ne happy

Darrenbhoy

I think he's shot him self in the foot, bit like jelavic thought he was the b******* then falls flat.

He was playing great football until he found out Norwich had a plane waiting for him. He thinks 6 months later all is Rosey and a que of clubs will be waiting for him to sign. If anyone bids over 4 or 4.5m then let him go.

Lenny

@ 1). Agree 100%. It would be great if he signed up long term but if he chooses not to then that's fine. We should punt him if we can though, otherwise we should agree to him going for free next year and possibly get a great season out of him. That would surely be worth whatever we paid for him.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Mixed feelings on this. He is ambitious which is not a bad thing. IMO He has not proved himself at the highest level over a full season (by that I mean in a league of EPL standards etc. CL performance was short term). That said he has proved he can do a job for us. So the question is, do we cut our nose to spite our face by holding him back and ending up bringing him on as a possible game saver who has already lost heart or do we play him as before which effectively puts him in shop window and should be incentive to play well to realise his ambition while at same time doing us a job? I think you have to put out your best players to take care of business and hope for a win/win situation. TinyTim

22 Jul 2013 13:31:27
We need a very good champions league group stages proven striker. And I don't mean tony watt, whom I think at 19 will become a significant footballer.

22 Jul 2013 09:32:06
Lads its looking like Mo Bangura will go against the wishes of his owners and managers and play against us in the CL qualifier. I don't know about you but the minute he walks onto that pitch in either leg of the tie he will be finished for me. I will never accept him as a Celtic player again and he will be hearing it from the stands.

We should have twigged after 2 days at Celtic when he stated he was looking to be playing in the Premiership within 12-18 months that he was a mercenary. He hadn't even trained with us and he was talking about moving on. Pathetic.

He won't enjoy the game at Celtic park I can promise you that. He will be booed from the first minute to the last. The guy is absolutely sh*te so i'm not even a single bit worried about the contibution he may make over the 2 leg, i'm just disgusted he would play against us. No matter what any of you say about the rules or that he isn't breaking any. I can't imagine this happening at any other club in these circumstances. that's what winds me up the most.

The club shouldn't wait to see what happens. We should ask him the question and if he says he's playing, we should bang him in the transfer market now.

Its our own fault for punting him out on loan all the time.

If he is in Lennons plans at all, he shouldn't be out on loan constantly.

I don't want to see him play against us, but if he does, I reckon its our own fault, and fair play to him for giving it a go. Maybe we will see what Bangura is all about.

This has got silly very quickly. This is Celtic's fault guys.We never put a no play clause in the loan deal. That's the facts. green jhedi

Bangura has to play if selected. If he refuses he could be subject to sanctions under european and Uk employment law. Its tantamount to downing tools. He has a contract with Elfsborg. Elfsborg hold his registration. He is Elfsborgs player until the end of the year. If he is fit and available for selection his manager has every right to play him legally and morally. The only thing Elfsborg cannot do is sell him to a third party.
Its all very well noname poster saying you don't care what the rules are. Would you be so brave if you were in his shoes?
Lets be clear here. Celtic started the shouting match. What have Elfsborg done wrong? They paid what a Million for his services with the express reason given to strengthen to get their team into the CL. Celtic knew this. If there was any doubt CFC should have clearly stated with the insertion of a clause preventing Bangura from playing should the teams be drawn together. Celtic chose not to probably because Elfsborg would quite rightly have demanded a reduction in the fees paid to Celtic. We know cash is king at Celtic park these days.
So there were many ways f dealing with this and the worst way was to go public and for all intents and purposes attempt to intimidate the player who Celtic don't want BTW into not playing.
What would we do if the boot was on the other foot. Go ballistic mate that's what. This is a classic case of a bigger team telling a smaller team what to do.
My personal thoughts are this is a cynical way of drumming up interest in the match. There is just no other explanation for such ridiculous and illogical behaviour. This is designed to appeal to the emotional football fan who refuses to engage the brain before speaking. Sopotcelt.

I'm changing my mind on this one.
Didn't Barca or Real Madrid loan out a guy and he played against them in CL and scored the winning goal against his parent team. Then he went back to them to play before being sold.

Bangura isn't a threat to us. Like I said yesterday we should have a no play clause in his loan agreement, same as spl, If its not there its celtic's mess up.

@2) Don't think you quite understand the whole "loaning players out" system mate. Teams loan out players for a number of reasons from giving them game time and gaining experience to putting them in the shop window and gaining a sell on value. Loaning Bangura out to regain form, get some games and maybe put him in the shop window isn't meant to work against the club who own his registration by turning out for our opponents in a game that could shape our season and effectively cost the club reaching the CL and a possible 16 million windfall. It stinks mate, no arguments. Celtic have made an error by not including the clause, everyone and there dog knows that now, but UEFA should have a rule against it. Its just common sense as the player is conflicted. I was astounded when I learned they didn't have a rule against this happening but no matter what you say about UEFA or Celtics neglect regarding the terms of his loan deal Mo Bangura should be refusing to play in this match, you know it, I know it and deep down he knows it.

Let me tell you what's going to happen mate, and you can take this to the bank if you want. Celtic will beat Elfsborg in both legs of this tie and qualify comfortably, I don't have a single shred of doubt in my mind about us making it through to the final qualifier. Not because of how good we are, because let's be honest those games in germany (friendlies or not) set alarm bells ringing. But because they are sh*te! Being a betting man who bets on almost all of the middle to top ranked european leagues I have watched them 6, possibly 7 times this season (Beat once and drawing 3 of those) and they haven't shown me anything that would suggest Celtic should be concerned. I'm glad it sound like we are making the right noises regarding showing the tie the respect it deserves because in CL football there aren't any easy games but genuinely if we don't beat Elfsborg we don't deserve to be in it this year, and losing this tie would be a massive failure when considering the opposition. Ishizaki is the only player who looks good enough to require attention, James Keene an english lad who moved to Sweden 4 or 5 years ago looks like he has a goal in him and has good movement. They can't defend, have a diddy goalkeeper and even without Wanyama our midfield is far superior. There wide players delivery whenever I have seen them has been absolutely awful aswell. Bangura should he play will be effectively ending his career with Celtic for nothing as we will win. He will become a joke figure in scottish football as the guy who Celtic paid 2.2 million for and then played against them even after a being warned by the club not to.

I'm raging and Bangura hasn't even done anything wrong yet but i'm convinced he will. And when he does the dirty judas will never hear the end of it, I can promise you that.

@6. Your understanding of the fundemetal conditions are Incorrect. Elfsborgs have Banguras registration not Celtic. He is not Celtics player. Only one registration can be held by any club at any one time. You can play for two clubs in a season but your registration is transfered for the period of the loan from the parent club to the loanee club. It gets worse. If Bangura is intimidated either by the club (CFC)officially or by their fans and you seem to be be displaying behaviour that may be construed threatning behaviour the tie could be deemed forfiet in Elfsborgs favour. They could argue that a key player could not participate due to intimidation. Its already on record both officially and by NL comments and the reaction of fans. No-one either a private individual or any organisation can threaten or intimidate or bully any other person when carrying out their legal employment. Its clearly against the law. Further further anyone suffering undue stress due to such provocation can sue the organisation/ employer/ person.
Make no mistake Elfsborg are privately fuming over this and I believe are taking legal advice at the very highest levels of European common civil and corporate law. They are no fools they know thier rights and are not afraid of a fight.
IMHO CFC need to draw a line under this immediately by stating that there are no impediments to Bangura playing and welcoming his participation. Truly this could easily get out of hand and few people seem to inderstand the implications. I Say again the key point is the registration. Elfsborg hold this not Celtic. Sopotcelt

@5 It was Morientes from Real Madrid and he scored for Monaco against them

@8) cheers that's right morientes, somebody told me last night. So there's the legal precedence. When you loan a guy out he's not yours.
CFC and Lenny need to come out publicly and state Mo can play if he likes and he'll be welcomed. It's a sport. Be sporting!

@6) Your having a laugh with that patter Sopot are you not. What did you think I was going to do, rough him up at glasgow airport when Elfsborg arrive? Make death threats over the phone? Give yourself peace mate. I'll be giving him pelters from the stand like every other supporter in my section. And before you give me anymore of that patter, it will be clean pelters.

He belongs to Celtic, we paid 2.2 million for him, are you seriously siding with Bangura if he plays against us? And yes the Morientes stat is in fact correct, but only serves to back up my point there should be a rule against it and he shouldn't play.

As for that threatening behaviour rule which can have the game forfeited, I would like you to find a big game where that particular rule has been enforced? that's written there for effect mate, there have been riots at games on the back of players moving to rival clubs or playing against ex clubs in leagues all over the world, players have been fiercely intimidated by opposition supports and you never hear of a game being forfeited on the back of it. Like I say there is a way of making him have a bad night without breaking the law or embarrassing the club. Booing his every touch is standard. Waiting for the Elfsborg bus to arrive and screaming blue murder at the pleb (again, within reason) is another.

And you can throw all the registration, no clause talk at me all day if you like. He plays, he's a Judas in my opinion.

As usual though Sopot buddy you are of course entitled to your opinion. I just feel very strongly about this one pal.

Stevensee88

Sopot, I forgot to mention in my other reply I fully agree with you that Celtic need to draw a line under this. NL was asked the question and you could say fair play for just answering it honestly but he would have been best served to privately call Bangura and tell him his wish for him to not take part. Although even that is taking a risk if Elfsborg were to get wind of it I suppose.

My point was generally about my anger with Bangura himself and as i've made clear I feel strongly about it and won't change my mind.

He plays and he is absolutely finished at the club.

You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Sopotcelt.

22 Jul 2013 16:07:55
Also look at it from their point of view. Is he really giving his all. What if he misses a sitter will they say it was meant. Can't see them playing him despite what they're saying

"You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink"?

Can't see where that saying implies in the Bangura debate we are having so is that aimed at me? Confirm please.

Stevensee88

I am setting out the facts. Not an opinion. I am doing this in order to highlight the dangers of getting too emotional regarding the Bagura debate. in fact I am highlighting this in the best interests of the club
Immotive language used such as "not in his best interests" from our manager which is a clear threat and Judas from you do not serve to clarify the facts of the matter.
Bangura is a professional footballer plying his trade. He is protected in law just as you and I are. Decrying the man before he has even sinned against your personal self appointed rules and value system is unfair and crass.
Dismissing the rules and regulations because you don't personally agree with them is all well and good and you can dress it up as an opinion but the facts are the facts. I have explained fully above but you choose to see things from your own narrow perspective and find ever more complex arguments to justify your position. Including ridicule and taking things out of context. You also take the liberty of speaking for me and fellow fans by stating the facts as you see them and speaking for all of us in one of your paragraphs. that's just not acceptable. Its not an opinion.
My comment however was light hearted and meant no slight. We are after all both Celtic men.
My point is very clear though. In spite of accepting that Celtic are responsible making mistakes by not inserting the clause and your assertion also that Uefa are at fault which BTW is nonsense Uefa are not responsible. They are following FiFA regs in any case. You still blame Bangura for this unforgiveable crime which it appears he is about to commit. The crime playing for a club who hold his registration and paid for him over the loan period. All above board all conforming to the rules of which CFC are aware including legal council. But somehow this is of Banguras making and none of it Celtics. I mean who is being treacherous here? A simple footballer or a complex organisation. Who has stabbed who in the back where indeed is the Judas if he exists? If Bangura is Celtics Employee and he is not its a shoddy way to treat one of your staff. Advising him publicly and in front of the press not to play. that's a side issue. The man is not an employee of Celtic.
How can he do other than do best for his present employers. He is not conflicted unless he withdraws his services from Elfsborg of course. Then he would be in breach of contract with them and liable for damages amounting to who knows what. He would also effectively ruin his reputation which is presently intact and will be intact as a professional footballer if he plays the 90 mins and scores 3 against us.
I made my points not as an opinion but as things stand. I don't expect people to conform to my opinion in fact I am pleased when an opinion is put forward which is different. You are putting forward a position or opinion which is not supported by the facts. Apologies to everyone. I accept this is now getting pretty boring. Sopotcelt.

Well said sopotcelt. Too many people get overly emotional when all they have to do is show a bit of restraint. lol

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

Yeah it got boring as soon as you replied to the OP Sopot. You tried your best to make that long winded pi5h sound like you weren't being ignorant or condescending but at the same time totally dismissed my argument and then my understanding of my fellow supporters, a stance which I didn't just take the liberty of presuming, I heard the same reaction from at least a dozen Celtic supporters this morning which prompted me to start the discussion. Anyways I am literally struggling to find the will to send this post as you've bored everyone to tears with your robotic, emotionless opinion referring to the rulebook, employment laws and what is the correct way we should treat Bangura, respecting his decision (which will be to play! I am taking the liberty of presuming that) but you knew that wasn't the spirit of my post. I know Celtic have to be careful, I know Neil Lennon has to be careful. I expect them to do that. My argument was what I will think about Bangura's decision come kick off time. Mo Johnstone paraded in a Celtic jersey without signing anything only to turn around and sign for the enemy the next day. TECHNICALLY he didn't do anything wrong but we all know what you, me and every other Celtic fan thinks of the Judas bast*rd now don't we. Bangura isn't technically doing anything wrong, we've gathered that. And of course he isn't stabbing Celtic in the back to that extent but why are you expecting me and the other Celtic supporters to not take this personally? Again i'm going on what I have heard from Celtic season ticket holders telling me there opinions on the matter.

I won't ever agree with you on this argument because you are looking at it from a perspective that emotion doesn't count here and the UEFA rules and employment laws do. I however made it very clear in my OP I was angry about Bangura playing against the team who took a 2.2 million gamble on him so I presume the only reason you replied was for an argument.

Usally I would say your entitled to your opinion but seeing as you arrogantly ridiculed and rendered mine (Not an opinion) I won't bother.

Go and take your face for a sh*te Sopot :D

Actually ChrisBhoy I never liked Bangura anyway. Sopotcelt

You defeated your own arguments mate especially with your last comment. IMHO you have just let yourself down badly. Sopotcelt.

@19) I thought that part was funny Sopot IMHO lol. You need to
Lighten up mate.

For what it's worth your stance is the correct one Sopot but i'm positive Celtic fans won't forgive Bangura if he goes on to damage our chances no matter wether that is fair or not.

Cyril Makanaky 93

Enough, enough, enough!
As it turns out you are both right but in different ways.
Sopotcelt, you are bang on about Bangura from a factual, legal and contractual point of view.
Stevensee88, you are also bang on about Bangura, but from an emotional, poke him in the eye for being a bad boy point of view.
It's a draw and everyone is still BFF's!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

22 Jul 2013 01:12:48
Scott McDonald to train with the hoops until he finds a new club . maybe a second spell I think his legs have gone!

I hope Celtic take him back. don't think he will cost us any money apart from his wages. He could certainly do a job for us. Julieghirl

Had a look at some stats for Celtic FC
GARY HOOPER. App 95 Goals 63
Scott McDonald App 88 Goals 51. Not an awful lot of difference. Bring back Skippy. JK

He's suppossed to sign for millwall on monday or tuesday.

22 Jul 2013 10:08:45
Hes meant to be signing for millwall

@2) yeah that was his stats an awful long time ago. What's Kenny dalgliesh's stats? Want him back as a striker?

Skippy hasn't peaked as a striker yet they normally don't till 29-30ish, so most of you are talking pish. We also have no striking coach but also have a bunch of young strikers. Our top scorer is eyeing the door aswell and you guys want to not sign a 20-30 goal striker that loves your team for free. Deluded

Darrenbhoy

He could be worth a punt folks. Think of it like this:
We have a chance of a player from a decent standard European league, aged 29, with a proven scoring record over a number of years, and we can get him on a free transfer. Are we interested? Of course we are.
Get it out of your heads that it is Scott McDonald and all of a sudden it sounds like a decent proposition. And at the end of the day Skippy didn't do anything wrong when he left us, he was shoved out the door at a time when he was scoring regularly.
I know it's all speculation at the moment anyway but where is the problem if he did come back?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

We have no striker coach? GET LARSSON IN