Celtic Banter Archive December 22 2015

 

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22 Dec 2015 19:20:08
Its my opinion that football is a simple game complicated by coaches and players.
Its not rocket science get the right players in the right positions and form partnerships.
For me partnerships is the real secret, over the years we have seen some very successful ones. McLeish % Miller, Hegarty &Narey, Cottee and McAvenie, Coyne and Wright.
I pick these players as they were not great players in their own right but put them together and they were excellent.
My point here is I don't think we have any in our team, the above players prove u don't need superstars to find the right blend.
In fact I remember McNamara and Donnelly being excellent but were not great players in their own right.
The last partnership I seen in our team was Izzy and Stokes and Ronny broke that up.
The right back should build a good relationship with the R Midfield and the same on the left. But Ronny chooses to change these all the time so its impossible.
Needless to say its not possible with the front 2 as we don't play 2 up front.
The only chance we have is the 2 centre backs and its far too early for that but most of us are not confident about that I presume.
We have a player in Stokes for eg who we all know is not the best BUT its very obvious he plays well with a partner (see izzy) . In fact his partnership with Hooper was really good. So if a team has no partnerships and understanding how can it be a team.
Its a basic fundamental, in fact it seems to me that Ronny has in fact no interest in this as it might hinder the system he plays.
Also I remember Tommy Burns saying after his time at Reading his biggest fault was asking the players to do something they were obviously not capable of.
Its clear to me we are not/cant play the way Ronny desires.
So is that the players fault? Or is it the managers?

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22 Dec 2015 21:59:55
How can any professional team build a partnership when one member doesn't know the time or day of week and is likely to spend some time locked away from football.
You seem to have a fixation for Stokes which has come to fruition when the club finally punished him for endless wrong doings . Stokes in his time at Celtic has played well on some occasions, unfortunately he has had far too many mediocre games .
With how we won league and league cup last season and very unfortunate to miss out on a treble and at Christmas this year on top of league with game in hand and semi final league cup and every chance of doing well in Scottish Cup it seems to me that it is the SMSM that finds fault in Deila and team most and a small number of fans some gullible .

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22 Dec 2015 22:09:59
Good post rayman; we have had several good partnerships and pairings over the years in various positions right through the team and these usually form in training sessions and are matured in games.
It's important to freshen up a club with new ideas, whether it be in preparation and fitness or tactics and game-plan.
However it's also important to use ALL the players available in their best positions - (the reason they were brought into the team) and let them express themselves.
I think at present we only have around 60/65% of the squad at their peak and some of them are well below their potential and that has to be down to the regime and how they are preparing, motivating and using the players.
Ronny has had a season and a half to impose his methods, add a few pieces to the jigsaw and improve the team accordingly, towards his objective and there are still more questions than answers after Saturday's setback.

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22 Dec 2015 23:32:13
Oldbhoy if I am fixated about stokes as you put it (though I only use him as an example as he likes to play with a partner) then you are totally obsessed about the MSM.
Indeed its their fault when we lose or play badly or is it the SFA or the institutionally biased referees.
You seem to deflect from the real issue that we are playing some poor football, then again deflection is your mantra isn't that right CHRIS02.
When you start to talk any kind of sense I might dignify 1 of your threads with a reply.

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23 Dec 2015 07:19:08
the only thing I'd disagree with you on this post Rayman is Jackie Mac I personally thought he was a great player for us wether it was linking with other players o the right or purely at right back doing defensive duties, but the rest as I say is spot o.

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23 Dec 2015 18:07:56
Rayman, I am sorry you misunderstand me. , the post of yours I was referring to had mentioned twice on a number of ocassions as having partnerships with different players and implied RD broke that, just for the craic .
I am sorry that you seem to think that I blame SMSM for all the woes at Celtic . Even an idiot wouldn't think that but anyone that had a brain and an interest in Celtic over very many years would be aware that Celtic get a bad press from the SMSM .
I wonder why the SMSM give Celtic bad press year in year out and at the same time bend over backwards to help Rangers . I suppose you Rayman thinks Scottish referees are fair and impArtial . If you are so gullible I hope Santa looks after you well
There are many reasons why Celtic under perform, lack of confidence after sutffering vas press and crucial wrong biased decisions play some role . However gullible Rayman doesn't seem to think so. To you its just RD
You just have replied in an idiotic way to my post and if you don't again I promise I won't be upset .

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24 Dec 2015 16:25:14
I rest my case lol.

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22 Dec 2015 16:28:33
Well I've heard it all now! "It's not results that are to blame for the pressure on me. It's the media" I'm sorry RD but it's very much the results and probably more so the performances! Don't worry about what the media write just concentrate on your job, that's If your given to fix it!

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22 Dec 2015 16:45:48
The media has a big part to play, I'm sure all other Celtic managers would agree.

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22 Dec 2015 16:52:15
Another load of absolute garbage from this guy! No it's your embarrsing European campaigns that have put u under pressure, Nobody else! And one of the worse performances I've seen from a Celtic team on Saturday has added to that! Honestly the more I hear from this guy the more I'm convinced he isn't up to this job! And while in know way do I agree with putting out idiotic petitions for him to be sacked, that's not the way fans should be acting! I just feel things will never improve under his stewardship!

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22 Dec 2015 17:17:49
The media do play a part but you don't admit it at this point without looking terrible.

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22 Dec 2015 17:37:47
Whatever he says he's going to be criticised.

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22 Dec 2015 17:42:34
Every time I see Ronny it kills me because he is the salt of the earth and nothing is self motivated! The problem is we are not improving, even slightly! Lawwell disgusts me, purely because he is an intelligent guy and has been winging it for years! If it was anything else we would walk away but he knows the fans are obsessed so just gives us his platitudes every few months! My problem with Ronny is he thinks every player is brilliant, he loves Stokesy, loves Mulgrew, loves Broony even more. Darren McGregor is brilliant, Boyata is about to be brilliant, Ambrose is 1 mistake away from being world class, - young Teirney is going to be the next Maldini - why do we lose every big game? The players have no character, and not much ability, and if we played Molde tomorrow I think we'd lose, so is Ronny delusional, I honestly don't know, something doesn't add up that's for sure. I think it could be worse, we could have McNamara or Coyle, it could also be better, there are plenty of options out there - even me, Ed, DN, JimTim and JohnnyMac could find him!

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22 Dec 2015 17:52:12
Cmcbhoy if he turned round and said I accept certain results have been poor and performances haven't been up to scratch and we are striving to rectify this! I'm sure fans would accept this rather than trying to deflect the obvious failings on the media.

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22 Dec 2015 19:07:12
Even listening to Scott Brown there, what sort of support is that, talk about half hearted - he thinks people are being harsh! Absolute chancers the lot of them! You would trust Scott Brown and Peter Lawwell as far as you could throw them!

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22 Dec 2015 19:47:47
Scott Brown has always been a mercenary and a money grabber, the exact reason he chose to sign for us and not Oldco because we offered him bigger wages, he hasn't changed a bit and I bet he can't believe his luck we were foolish enough to offer him a new one on decent money again. He would be playing for the likes of Charlton if he was lucky had we not gave him that contract and he knows where his bread is buttered.

On Ronny I'm completely finished with the guy, he's had plenty time up against no competition domestically or he shouldn't be anyway and is making hard work of it. Add in the £40-60M he's potentially cost us in money these last 18 months and he's been a complete financial disaster.

19 players signed under his stewardship and the only one with pass marks was Denayer who had real quality and that was a loan. Just not good enough.

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22 Dec 2015 20:37:07
Think brown talks just as much nonsense as RD! We've not played well since the start of the season but we're going to go unbeaten til the end of the season! It's only 1 game apart from the killie game! No sorry Scott it's not just one game! Where does this it's only one game against Motherwell pish come from honestly! We've been woeful in 90% of the games this season! Utter garbage from the boardroom to the changing room by the way! Theyr fooling no one either, as the rows and rows of empty seats at Celtic park on Saturday proves! And this I keep hearing from brown griffirhs and a few others, the fans should stick by Them! Give us something on the pitch to stand by for sake! disillusioned is understatement by the way!

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22 Dec 2015 20:55:23
Iceman, someone would still find fault with that. Why shouldn't he speak out about it? Half the time people are on here slating the media and then as soon as our manager (who you should be behind on this) speaks out its shocking. Have some consistency people. And as far as folk on slagging off brown and people making up petitions are not real Celtic fans or at least not the ones I know. They're the embarrassment to the club. Slagging brown because he's agreeing with the manager. Any excuse to have a dig at RD. Get a grip or "support" another team. Sorry for the rant but I'm sick of folk using anything as an excuse to get rid of the manager. Some of us still have faith in him including the players.

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22 Dec 2015 21:28:52
Well said cmcbhoy, it's getting ridiculously embarrassing with some of these 'supporters'. Any slight hiccup and they all come out the woodwork loving every minute of it. With a young inexperienced team, there's always going to be a few setbacks until it's right.

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22 Dec 2015 22:12:06
Celt for ever who appointed you as the sole arbitrator of the ability of Deila signings .
(19 signed under his stewardship and only one got pass marks )
Thankfully the club and board don't rely on your biased assessments .
Such lies about Scot Brown . I suppose you know him from the first day at nursery school. The fact that he has spent 8 years at Celtic and prevented his agent from tauting him to EPL championship teams where he could earn a hell of a lot more money than staying with us shows the stupidity of your remarks .

Deila was right to tell the truth about the SMSM, most Celtic Managers start off trying to win the SMSM over to their side but sooner or later our Managers realised that the SMSM are joint to the hips with Rangers and theSFA.

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22 Dec 2015 22:19:29
Gerrybhoy a few setbacks! U having a laugh? U can't be serious! What's that 10 or 11 games in EL without a win! 1st time ever we've finished a European league group stage winless! Put out the CL qualifiers 3 times in a year! 2 wins out of our last 8 games at home! A few setbacks, slight hiccup! Away and gies peace mate! Wake up and see what's in front of you! Did u by any chance witness that sh**e on Saturday! Don't gies this climbing out the woodwork garbage!

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22 Dec 2015 23:06:22
It reminded me of the time Kenny Dalglish reacted to media pressure - although we're not at the Bairds bar stage yet - and every Celtic has had this pressure, although some handle it and react to it better than others.
His interviews are usually grounded and honest, but the minute a manager points fingers the media will smell blood and the players and fans will lose confidence or respect.
The pressure will really increase if/when Aberdeen go top on Boxing Day and he stands in the dugout at swine castle and the team have another bad performance?

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24 Dec 2015 19:56:18
Jungle Jim2 I honesty hope you are wrong . I have the greater respect for the vast majority of Celtic fans, I recognise what I think is a small% of fans are gullible and easy led . Jim you say that the minute a manager points finger at media the fans will lose confidence and respect.
I believe this to be utter nonsense and think this will actually build confidence .

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25 Dec 2015 15:17:26
Thank God it's Christmas season, we won't laugh at the idiots that think the SMSM cannot affect the confidence of a football team . It nearly seems as a long a time as Batter was fiddling World Football since the SMSM has been building the confidence of Rangers and trying to destroy Celtic .
Then we have idiots who expected the SMSM to report and conduct investigative journalism into the Rangers cheating EBTs and the SFA assistance .

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22 Dec 2015 12:38:44
I see some of the 'Greatest Fans in the World' have sunk to a level even I thought was impossible for them and they've gone and started an online petition to have Ronny Deila sacked.
Doesn't it make you so proud?

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22 Dec 2015 12:57:06
Wow! Greatest Fairweather Fans! Was talking to a Spurs fan mate about all this last night and he could not believe the attitude of the anti-Deila brigade. Bit embarrassing.

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22 Dec 2015 12:59:02
My patience is wearing thin Ed with RD if am honest, But to start that choite is beyond the pale for me

For someone like myself who at a peak had circa 60 staff to actually SACK someone is not an easy task to take you are affecting families income stream there way of life! a have never sought a Celtic manager sacked so I ain't going to start now but this is where this "on-line" stuff gets silly for me

Let the beaks sort it out for ffs! At the end of the day it is them that got us into this mess, and it is a MESS

But leave the silly stuff to others!

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{Ed007's Note - Sunday was the worst performance I've seen from a RD team and we can't have too many of them between now and May.}

22 Dec 2015 13:04:49
I just wish people would channel such energy towards the real problems our (more than just a) club has.

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22 Dec 2015 13:18:30
I don't think the petition will take off somehow.

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{Ed007's Note - It should never have been started in the first place and is just another example of some of the type of people who are amongst our support.}

22 Dec 2015 13:22:39
I don't agree with it at all. But it is the age of social media, why jaunt all the way to Celtic Park to moan when you can do it sitting on your fat backside at home. As for Daviebhoys Spurs mate, who really cares what he thinks. In my opinion its the utter blind loyalty of the Pro Deila brigade that's going to drag the club further down.

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22 Dec 2015 13:24:58
It is a bad day when it comes to this, a Wee plamf sitting in front of a key board that probably couldn't find parkhead on a map, some support are turning into current buns I'm afraid. Sad sad times 😓😓.

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22 Dec 2015 14:38:59
Bridiebhoy I was just highlighting a mate's view, thought it was relevant as Spurs have been giving Pochettino time to get it right and they look in a pretty peachy position atm-in fact why am I even justifying it? Blind loyalty? Maybe for some but for me it's more a sense of pragmatic resignation. We either go back to square one with a new head who will be given no more money than Deila or we give him a chance to see if he can recover from this period. It's getting like groundhog day asking this question but who wants the job? What will they do with our limited resources? Didn't actually see the Well game on Saturday but sounds like a horror show, if RD continues like that he will be in untenable position but careful what you wish for, we won't get a high calibre replacement.

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{Ed007's Note - The best thing Pochettino done was get Baldini away from the club which gave him more power over transfers. They even replaced Baldini with Paul Mitchell who Pochettino had worked alongside at Southampton.}

22 Dec 2015 14:56:47
Pathetic who ever started it. you would expect it from sevco they will all be laughing at this and who can blame them. I for one feel really embarrassed about this ridiculous petition.

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22 Dec 2015 15:19:02
Thats a bit unbelievable Ed, is it just a wind up, or is there a name behind it?

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{Ed007's Note - It's real mate, you can tell we're dealing with the intellectual hierarchy of the support when you see people like Michael Ferns from Armadale who blames RD for signing Ambrose, or Norman Paton from Dundee who thinks RD should go back to the North Pole.
I think it's been infiltrated by Der Zombie though. George Hutchison, from the epicentre of the scientific universe Kingswinford in Dudley, scorched the earth with this absolute corker:

'He not doing anythink for the club. And he lose all our best playes to'

The spelling alone stinks of a Govan based lack of education.

www.change.org/p/celtic-fc-sack-ronny-deila/c

22 Dec 2015 16:27:13
DavieGravy can't argue with the spurs manager being a good coach. But spurs themselves are a club that are happy to sit mid table and reap the financial cow of the epl, they have no ambition. A new stadium so to pilfer the fans for more so i won't take them as a shining example. Watching Celtic is groundhog day mate. RD is not going to revolutionise things. So its best to cut yer loses instead of flogging a dead horse.

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22 Dec 2015 16:41:27
Just had a look Ed, for looks sake

looks like William Hannigan from Perth got his spell checker from the "Gu-vin Meerkat" his literacy skills are great wait for it folks!

" I belive rounds time is up has not got a clue how to turn a game round think he's bouget poor players"

As you say Ed and clearly see any more than three letters and they start to struggle (y)

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{Ed007's Note - And yet they walk amongst us masquerading as fellow supporters.}

22 Dec 2015 16:43:27
I couldn't care less about petitions, these characters mean nothing to me! I have family who have been going to games for 50/60/70 years and it always has been, and always will be about what we watch on the park/see with our own eyes! We don't care if the manager is Celtic minded or Shmeltic minded we want success! We probably hate Lawwell more than that clown Terry Cassidy, purely because Lawwell makes out he is so noble! I don't know what other Chief Executives earn but relatively speaking he must be one of the highest! Man Utd and B Munich have around a £400 million turnover so that would equate to their Chief Exec earning around £5 million per year! I only care about on the pitch, and this year has been s nightmare from Ronny Deila up to Lawwell and the rest of his cronies and all the way back down again to Chris McCart and his cronies. In between we've got George McCluskey who was a fitness coach the last I checked and the enigma that is John Park! That's what we get for Christmas! Even the papers over in Ireland were taking the piss out our festive adverts - saying it was appalling and done on the cheap, if only they knew half of it. Done on the cheap, that's all I've ever known!

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{Ed007's Note - If RD goes then for me Lawwell has to follow him. I still think he is using us to try and get a job with UEFA.}

22 Dec 2015 17:49:36
Tin hat time (sorry Bhyrdo another Spurs link) Martin Jol is a manager I rate, bad time at Fulham and very unfairly treated at Spurs but only high profile name I can think of that would be semi-realistic option. No matter who comes in I still reckon it's a huge backwards step. If the results don't improve the step will be taken but I honestly think we need to stick just now and hope it pans out. Shoddy state of affairs but it is what it is. And way it is Wayne Biggins could make a shortlist.

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22 Dec 2015 19:00:31
Lol. Daviebhoy Well your suggestion of jol is a bit leftfield but that kind of experience he has has to be considered, i wouldn't be unhappy with him. As for RD for me the writings on the wall so i'd rather we just jogged along and got it over and done with. This poxy petition will probs start the beggining of the end.

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22 Dec 2015 19:15:32
Unfecking believeable. I thought this pathetic shit only took place across the city. I was going to register to show my disgust but that might indicate that I.

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22 Dec 2015 19:20:34
unfeckin believeable. This stuff only happened across the city, I thought. Was going to sign up to register disgust but that might count as a supporter for their pathetic little petition. We should set up a feck the petition link to show our disgust (trouble is, that would maybe give it some credibility and be used against us)

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22 Dec 2015 19:37:26
Its upto the halfwits who employed him to do the fireing. Not some spotty loner with his troosers at his ankles sitting at his pc. Mob rule is just a no-no. I want RD gone but its only right and proper to do it in a respectful way. He is a good man just not the manager for me.

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22 Dec 2015 22:23:15
The behaviour of a relatively small number of our support have ceased to surprise quite a while ago.
Some of the stuff written on blogs, fan's forums and Twitter are so far over the top in using colourful language in trying to ridicule out manager and players, that it is hard to believe that many of the people behind these remarks have any love for the club .
Surely the manager and players must read some of this nonsense and surely it cannot help their confidence . Footballers and manager all perform better with confidence .
I would imagine foreigners at a club would read fan based forums etc to pass away the time and improve their English .

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23 Dec 2015 07:56:40
These people couldn't tell their nut from their thumb. You get football supporters like this everywhere, even on here, judgement and insight is laughable. Genuinely laughable.

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23 Dec 2015 09:52:56
Ed, I usually don't like having a go at spelling or grammar on here but that George Hutchison one was a nailer haha!

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25 Dec 2015 15:20:27
If I was using Celtic as a road way to A job in UEFA I would do my damnest to have Celtic doing better in UEFA competitions.

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22 Dec 2015 11:41:14
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Austin May Leave QPR In January And Other News Of The Day

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22 Dec 2015 10:18:35
Does anybody else have a problem with all these ex-players having their say about Celtic and RD? It might just be me but Chris Sutton just seems to put the boot in anytime he can. A failed manager himself, how can he possibly say what RD needs to do?

Alan Thomson on his 'RD has 6 weeks to get it right'. Wasn't he permanently drunk when he was a coach?

And Andy Walker who probably doesn't even watch Scottish football and has had no football management experience (i think) seems to know better than most.

I sometimes wish they would shut up or at least speak about the downfalls in Scottish football before making their damning judgement of Celtic.

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22 Dec 2015 10:22:55
You're right about Sutton being rich, although I find myself agreeing with him 99% of the time. Andy walker calling RD dull though, pot and kettle there. I hate his input on sly, he's dull, and never has positive things to say.

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22 Dec 2015 10:35:36
Jimtim,

I also agree with Sutton a lot of the time but he seems to think Celtic are the same club he left.

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22 Dec 2015 10:47:32
Best one for me was Thompson today. Pot calling kettle black i think.

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22 Dec 2015 11:47:33
I have no problem with it. Everyone and anyone has a right to an opinion. If you are on here questioning the merits of putting certain questions to certain ex pros then that too is your entitlement. You don't need to read it or take notice of it. No matter how good or bad a player was or what their record is in management ( if they've had the opportunity to manage) is also irrelevant because they are being asked because someone thinks they have something to contribute. Would we rather read comments from people who see the world through green tinted spectacles or comments from people who call it as they see it. When I listen to DJ on the radio he always calls it wrong and refuses to criticise his former club. His comments are completely jaundiced because he cannot say what he really wants to say which makes his comments obsolete. That said, he is still entitled to comment if people keep asking him the question.

Celtic should go for Chris Coleman.

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22 Dec 2015 11:48:50
Why shouldn't they give their opinion they probably have a better insight than most as to where things are good and bad at the club. If people's aspirations are to be dominant domestically then keep backing Ronny and his back room team because they will probably win another double minimum without having to be very good. Personally I want a manager who knows how to get past European minnows and play a system to suit our squad not a guy who relies on our past managers failure at the start of his management career to keep him going.ps let's not forget ronnys catchphrase " we'll learn from this and be better prepared next year" or the year after.

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22 Dec 2015 12:17:12
Paradisewon,
You’re right, everyone does have the right to their opinion. You say ‘they are being asked because they have something to contribute’ but the problem is they weren’t asked, they seem to just feel the need to belittle Celtic when its quite obvious the way they speak that they know nothing about the financial plight we face. It’s all well and good if we were out spending multi-millions and getting nowhere but we’re not. Maybe one of these ex-pros could go and sit with the management and the board to see what’s going on at the club before nitpicking at every wee failure. I have no problem with the club being slated when it’s justified. I just don’t think it is and that’s my opinion.

Jim1972, Why would they have a better insight to the club? As far as I can see they open their mouths to spout sh*te and the papers just make it worse. That last bit about past managers is just mince. Some fans need to look at past managers and realise things were never rosey when they were in charge and spent a lot more cash. And this Europe debate is bollocks, we were unlucky on several occasions. Small details here and there had a major impact. Look round Europe at some of the results by clubs that have spent hundreds of millions. We are in no way in as bad a state as people think.

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22 Dec 2015 12:02:18
I know a few people that have worked in pubs restaurants that sutton has been in and they haven't had may nice things to say about him mainly him being rude and arrogant. He does love the club, we can't argue about that. I don't think he has been far off the mark with the majority of his comments either. Some things need to be said.

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22 Dec 2015 12:36:51
It must be very frustrating for guys in the media like Sutton and Hartson to see such gutless and pathetic performances when barely 10 years ago they were getting to a European final and would have run through a brick wall for the club. Just because somebody played for a club in the past doesn't mean they should only say positive things about that club, they call it as they see it and what they're seeing at the moment is prety awful. They've got just as much right as any of us to vent their anger about the massive shortfalls at the club, regardless of how they fared in coaching/management. They're saying pretty much the exact same as a lot of the guys on here anyway.

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22 Dec 2015 12:57:13
They've been at it since RD walked through the door Kev, let's not pretend otherwise.

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22 Dec 2015 13:12:53
Cmcbhoy come on think about it . They have worked in that environment, know many people associated with the club they are more likely to understand the demands of being a professional footballer or coach than most fans who really only see the product on match days.
For me it's only a matter of time before Ronny goes as when you split the fans and campaigns start rolling against you it more a question of when not if you go.

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22 Dec 2015 13:28:30
Has he done anything to prove them wrong? One of the prominent themes on this page is biased media and then we've got folk on complaining when ex-players in the media aren't biased towards Celtic. It's nonsense. What these guys are saying is their own opinion and they're just as entitled to it as you and I. The team on that park on Saturday lacked any sort of heart and it's no wonder when I look over to the bench and see our manager hiding in the dugout instead of giving them direction and encouragement. The performance was absolutely pathetic, as was the performance in the last home game before that and many of the European performances (which I attended and paid good money for, not demanding or expecting a good result but hoping for at least some effort and passion) . If people can't accept ex-players having that same opinion then that's just tough I'm afraid. Our club, our manager and our players deserve every bit of criticism that's coming their way at the moment. That's not necessarliy always the case but right now I'm afraid it is (IMO of course) .

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22 Dec 2015 14:24:23
Thinking back nearly a decade, I don't remember any real positivity on SLY from ex-players - whether it be interviews or match cmmentary or analysis.
In fact guys like Nicholas, Burley, Walker, Provan and others seemed to be employed to criticise and detract.
My 'built-in' paranoia always makes me media unfriendly when it comes to Celtic; however I do believe there is an agenda from certain TV, radio and newspaper columns to undermine and even demonise our club.
Unfortunately when we have a grievance with the team or manager or concerns about anything Celtic related (and I include my own posts on here) - it empowers our media based critics/adversaries and feeds the detractors.

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22 Dec 2015 14:30:47
Jim1972,
Just because they worked in that environment doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about. Chris Sutton likes the sound of his own voice. I loved the guy as a player but he’s a failed manager and an even worse pundit. If he knew what he was talking about he would be managing a team. If these guys and the media in general gave RD time to implement his changes throughout the club the fans would not be panicking as they are .

Kevbhoy,
Do you think he’s had enough time to prove them wrong? He’s working with a bunch of undeveloped players. What do you expect? You’re also picking up on some bad displays. I could pick out a lot more during NL and GS tenure. We are going to lose games. When was it a God given right to win every game? These players that are still developing are bound to have off days. I’ve seen ronny win game after game after European games which I’ve seen no other manager do. Wheres the credit for that? I see Christie coming in, Henderson coming back stronger, tierny playing well, Griffiths the best striker since Larsson, Forrest looking on fire at times. More consistency and a wee bit of luck and we’ll be winning the games we haven’t.
Also the problem with these guys having ‘their opinion’ is that they are speaking to the public who lap up every word because they used to be a good player. If Sutton couldn’t get his players to play when he was manager, he can’t expect me to listen to him when he slates RD.

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22 Dec 2015 15:36:47
cmcbhoy if you read my last post you'll notice I made a point of saying I don't expect to win every game but the lack of desire or pride for playing for our club is the biggest concern. The difference between RD and GS/NL is that they actually did well in some of their European games before losing in the league afterwards. Maybe the complete lack of effort, which has been all too apparent in Europe this season, has helped keep the players fresh for the weekend after? I've stated before that RD isn't to blame for all our problems but he has played a fairly big part.

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22 Dec 2015 15:46:46
Cmcbhoy I listen to pundits and make up my own mind wether they are right or wrong in their assessment . There plenty of failed managers out there but it doesn't mean their opinions are necessarily wrong does it? You've chosen to take a long unknown route to success with Ronny in European terms and if the board stick by him I fear there will be constant negativity following our club.
I on the other hand want the club to waken from its slumber and appoint a manager we can respect and believe in as I don't believe ronny can deliver on his talk. I see little point naming names for replacement as until the board want a change of direction there's no idea who we can attract.

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22 Dec 2015 16:31:41
Kevbhoy, I don’t think it’s a lack of desire or effort. Don’t you think it could just be down to these games being too pressurized for these young players? Remember that not many of them had any experience in Europe. Surely that comes with time? But that’s the problem. No manager is going to get time. If fans want to see our own kids come through then unfortunately time is what’s needed. Also if we talk about GS/NL, GS football was horrible, not just bad. And before NL walked most fans wanted him gone as his domestic record was poor. The job seems to be a poisoned chalice for managers. Nothing will be good enough till we’re rocking the last 16 every year.

Jim, I get your point and you’re right it doesn’t mean they’re wrong and I too make up my own mind. And my opinion is Sutton has been against Ronny from day one. I have to ask though, who would you go for remembering our budget, the fact no known manager would want to work under the constraints of the board, that Scottish football is dead according to most and he needs to be able to develop our players? Working under these factors would be hard enough for a seasoned manager never mind a guy still learning his trade.

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22 Dec 2015 22:36:07
Rglen8 What evidence is there that Sutton has a love for Celtic . His career was heading into a dungeon at Chelsea when MO'N rescued him and he had the most productive and successful spell of his career at Celtic . According to his own Book he engineered his exit from Celtic because WGS demanded 2 training sessions a day . Interfered with his bookies visit and collecting children from school .
We know what the bookies did to him, but his attitude to extra training to me questions his love for Celtic .
Sutton needs money, he knows that by condemning Deila and players continuously he will always get his blue pounds.

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25 Dec 2015 15:24:48
For any fan to say they agree 99% of the time with Sutton proves we have two many fans and not enough supporters .
Sutton is definitely the most anti Celtic commentator on Tv .

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