Celtic Banter Archive August 22 2014

 

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22 Aug 2014 22:07:39
Hi Ed. I'm going on holiday tomorrow so can you make RD doesn't do anything stupid and can you make sure they get into the champions league as well. I probably won't be able to keep up to date whilst away as I don't knot what the WIFI connectivity is like in Hawaii. Cheers 👍

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{Ed007's Note - Hawaii? No wonder your called Pedro - do you have a heated driveway as well? Have a great time, mate.}

22 Aug 2014 23:08:14
No kids yet and a wife who has a bucket list. Recipe for disaster.

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22 Aug 2014 21:28:08
Alright ed not had any of my posts today uploaded any problems?

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{Ed007's Note - This is the first post from you today, mate.}

I posted but must have been glitch on my end then mate! Do u know if we have tabled a bid for the Serb and what u think the possibility of him signing is?

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{Ed007's Note - I've just answered that on the Rumours page, bud.}

22 Aug 2014 19:53:27
Evening Ed, Your view on the following please like most RD is growing on us

But I have concerns on a point that has not been aired/raised/picked up on his family have decided NOT to join him here! His twin daughters are 14 giving the fact he is a SCHOOL TEACHER to trade a would imagine and envisage that there education would be imperative personally IMO a just cannot see a man being that distant from his family "medium to long term"

Naturally, I hope they join him but made it clear they did not want to

Any other views on this atvb jb7

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{Ed007's Note - Players and managers not living with their family is more common than people realise, Jamie and Norway's hardly the other end of the world. Perhaps the Norwegian education system is better than ours and that's why he wants his daughters to finish their education there. And let's be honest, would you want to subject two young teenage girls to living in Scotland if you didn't have to? Even without factoring in the Glasgow goldfish bowl and the idiots it can attract, the country's a bit of a $hithole. He also isn't in a relationship with the girls' mother so that probably plays a part, I wouldn't read too much into it.}

I have to say I have not been impressed this much by a manager since Martin O'Neill took over and too an extent Gordon Strachan.

Ronny Deila has shown he has a tactical awareness to change things even when its not his favoured formation and with dropping Commons in midweek, he has shown he has no favourites. IMO - Commons is poor in Europe but too good for the SPL.

We should win the league this year but what happens if RD gives us the treble? Will all those who loved Lennon finally admit the he was simply not up to the task of managing Celtic, doubt it.

Hopefully this board back RD and allow him to purchase a good all round striker, not a superstar but a good all round striker.

Its clear I have no time for Stokes, he can't play up tops on his own, good when playing with another and also I want my striker to stay in and around the 18 yard box, not everywhere bar the 18 yard box.

McGregor has surprised me big time, all round game has improved and I hope he is not played in every game as I would hate to see him get burned out with the added expectation that will continually grow. I think RD will manage him in such a way

So hopefully another good performance against ICT with plenty of goals, still haunts me that this mob have given us a few beatings in recent years

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Maybe you should give Stokes his instructions in the next game Kev, instead of the manager?
Martin O Neill left the club in some state and has been super since hasn't he .
WGS and NL are better managers than MON.

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I don't agree with the martin o neill assessment. His appointment in my opinion was what started us being on top as we have been in the most since 2000. Remember the 90's?
As for commons how can he be too good for the spl but not good enough for Europe? It was a tactical decision In my eyes and I'd be surprised if he didn't start the home game when we have to be more on the front foot. Too much has been made off commons being dropped. Rd obviously wanted to be more solid and commons didn't fit into that plan. No?

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A never realised Ed that he was not in a relationship with there mother mate a thought/the way it was relayed that he gave them the CHOICE to join him and they declined it mate, And of course yes it is no real environment for teenage twins the Norwegians are a very rich country who look after there own much better than we do IMO, much more contented now to know there is no "misses back home to content" so to speak so thanks for that enlightenment atvb jb7

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{Ed007's Note - Norway is where we should be looking for inspiration for our own country post-independence, if it happens.}

This schoolteacher to trade pish was a dig by the Scottish media at us signing an unknown to them, rd had a 14 year career as a player playing 322 games

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22 Aug 2014 22:38:34
Neil Lennon a better manager than Marty oneill stay off the glue mate (have u any left)?

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That would be unfair TTTS, cause I would send him home.

Martin O'Neill did great overall and impressed big time, winning the league when challenged and winning cups.

You must be off your head to say Neil Lennon is a better manager than Martin O'Neill. Don't forget that each manager at Villa & Sunderland of late have struggled in the EPL. Look at the amount of vacancies of late and clubs have ignored Lennon and hired complete nobodies - WBA and Norwich for example. Maybe he will get the Huddersfield job, although the Kitman there will probably get it before Lennon does.

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@ Bobbgall67 - Can you seriously say Commons has ever played well in Europe?

If so then please confirm the game so I can re-watch it, all the games I remember I would have assumed he was trying to be part of a famous Chuck Norris film!

In the SPL, he is a great player for us, he gets plenty more time on the ball to pick and choose a pass, defenders are not half as good as the Europeans so he gets more free space in the SPL boxes for goals. Its not a dig at the player, its an assessment of his overall performances

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22 Aug 2014 23:46:19
Do you not think he has done a job for celtic in Europe at all? Shaktar? Spartak Moscow? All home games.
How can he be too good for spl and not Europe? What does that say off our other players?
Strange remark in my opinion. Rd too his credit decided he didn't suit his game plan away to Maribor. Turned out a good decision. I think he'll pick him in home game. He made a strong decision ( I didn't agree with it at time) and I'm sure he'll make a strong decision on Tuesday and put him back in.

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MO'N talks a fantastic job . He came to Celtic and did a fantastic job and talked DD into spending millions . having done an unbelievable job for us in the earlier years he left us with a massive wage bill and an ageing squad
All through WGS time and Lennon 's time the board have been penny pinching to a remarkable degree to undo MO'N spending . It speaks volumes for the ability of WGS and Lennon that they continued with their success but I cannot see where the benefit is in claiming one is better than another . I think it doesn't show a Celtic fan in good light if he is laughing at Lennon not having a job yet . There are many experienced ex EPL managers
Looking for jobs far longer than Lennon .

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{Ed007's Note - WGS has forgot more about football than NL will ever know - it's like comparing Bianca Kajlich with Bianca Butcher!}

MON had a presence and reputation, but needed huge funds to build a team based on height and strength and inherited Petrov, Lubo and Larsson which helped make a winning side and of course Seville.
He did a good job at a high cost.
Strachan was a tactician and motivator and worked wonders reducing the wage bill, re-building a team and managing to win several trophies (inc a treble) and the CL last 16 with some very shrewd buys.
He was only really appreciated later.
NL was a cheap and untried option and although he made mistakes, he still managed to win trophies.
He had to put up with more garbage off the field by sectarian bigots than any other manager and kept going.
He should have won more - in a time when Rangers died and had a few issues with players and backroom.

All of them were privileged to manage Celtic and did so with pride.

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Just from earlier Ed find myself on the " same wavelength" ( Norway ) again with you I know this is not football related but watched a good film the other night about the 70s America//Norwegians trying to get the oil out the north sea and how it made the Norwegians one of the richest countries in the world mate I believe the last referendum/independence vote was in 71 the year before I was born mate, How oh so different it could have been already mate, atvb jb7

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{Ed007's Note - Wasn't the last referendum in '79? There's loads of small countries doing well for themselves so why shouldn't we be one of them?}

22 Aug 2014 18:29:20
VVD has hardly been with us 2 minutes and already he is causing confusion.

Let us be clear. He was asked a question about his Celtic future. He said "I Want to play in the champions league" and beyond that he didn't say too much. There is a problem here (1) he has as much responsibility as anyone else to get us in to the champions league (2) if we don't make it to the CL (VVD's performance against Legia when they routed us was hardly the stuff of legend!) it as much VVD's fault as anyone else's.

He is a young player with a BIG head and a BIGGER ego who has shown next to no respect for his fellow teammates and the Club / Board. He signed a contract did he not?

Had he said in response to the question the following, I would have been happier.

"I love playing for Celtic and I am fortunate to have a coaching staff that believes in me and wants me to improve, and I will always be thankful to the Celtic family for giving me such a wonderful opportunity to play in front of the best fans in the world. I would have little issue in playing out my contract and beyond that we will see. If the Club want to sell me that would be something you would have to ask the Club about but I am happy here and enjoying my football and I have lots to learn." END OF .

.but he didn't .

Players like VVD are given too much power. I think if a player wants to move mid contract the player should have to pay an automatic % of his fee to the club he is demanding to move from and that would make the money conundrum a little more difficult to negotiate.

these players want MONEY .it is not about the champions league .

I mean if VVD was to go to Newcastle United, would that not make a mockery of his champions league statement?

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I can't understand where you are coming from mate. This is our MO, talented players given a platform to operate in, the CL, and move them on for profit.This is surely why RD was brought in, to improve our whole set up keeping players here longer as they were our youths to start with. It can be a pain the ass for us the fans but this is modern football sadly.

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Has vvd actually came out and said he wants to leave? If he hasn't then where is the issue he is under contract for 3 more years so if he goes it because celtic want him to go, it's not as if we are short of a few quid is it?

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Op- are you for real mate? Before Virgil signed for celtic he had no bond with the club at all. Wise up, players have a career and look after themselves. It doesn't matter who he is playing with it's about who pays the most money. If he is not away this summer he is gone next. I can live with thAt because he is actually one player we invested in, made better ( made us better as well) and will make a tidy profit
Unfortunately this season we haven't backed rd with any funds to do the same.

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Paradise won.
What is it with you and fictitious conversations? I think you must spend your time talking to yourself. Last time it was something to do with Legia Warsaw.
We're getting a bit worried about you mate! lol

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Don't worry chrisbhoy…I am feeling a little better

My issues are multi-fold when it comes to CFC…

Players should (outwardly) accept that they are under contract and should never say anything half hearted or disruptive when it comes to "interest"

Celtic do not have strength and depth for domestic cup runs, a league championship and a CL Group adventure

Celtic CAN and SHOULD spend a little more and aim higher than rookies, loans and freebies (and yes, I accept loans and freebies can work out but it cannot be our modus operandi)

Celtic are a selling club, but can we maybe not aim for at least 2 full seasons from players we have brought to the club and developed (2 miserly years)

If we cannot compete with the best in the world can we not identify a "level" and target that; it may be quarters of the Europa League and 9 points in CL Group stages, 1 domestic cup and a league …and then work our way back from there and ask ourselves the question "What do we need to achieve that" "what will the size of squad need to be"…"what will the wage bill need to look like realistically to achieve these goals …and so on and so forth

I think we look a little rudderless at the moment, modestly cash-rich with an ever diminishing roster with limited quality

it doesn't mean I am a nutter…I am far from being a nutter…and (controversially) I am interested in why any criticism of the team and the standards and the club's ambition(s) always equates to fans being ridiculed ….

we can be realistic if you prefer
we can think small if you prefer
we can live well within our means and stuff monies away for a very rainy day if you prefer

but where will we be, and how low are we prepared to go, until we realise that there is another side of the coin?

Speculate to accumulate
Bring in older, proven quality on higher wages to develop younger players with "potential" and offset the higher wages against (likely) higher turnover as the turnstyles go click click click …

Mix it up a bit…young…old…in the middle…freebies. loans…bigger wages/signing on fees…

At the moment our marketing department numbers must look miserable and that can be a VERY GOOD SIGN of things to come

we need motivated just as much as the players need us to motivate the players

rant over ….

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Paradise won
That wasn't a rant, that was magical. Well said.

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Chrisbhoy

I am getting a bit worried about you mate! LOL

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22 Aug 2014 17:44:41
Hi ED

When I was watching the match on Wednesday evening I couldn't help but think ow far back we have moved. A quick glance at the starting line-up and there can be no denying the "material" asset stripping that has occurred. Backing the Bhoys through ticket sales and merchandise purchase(s) has to be a two way street and I am now less than convinced that PL and the PLC Board see it as a two way street. If you look at just some of the higher profile sales Hooper (£5m) Ki (£5m) Forster (£10m), Wilson (£2m) Wanyama (£12m) McGeady (£9m) and then add on the successive champions league qualifications to the Group (say, for arguments sake £35m), it is quite extraordinary that we have settled for a goalkeeper (no harm to him but he hadn't kicked a ball in 2 years), a left back that has been posted AWOL for about 2 years after injury setbacks and a promising 1st season (whose form was so bad even Honduras booted him out their first team in game 3 of the world cup), a rookie 19 year old centre half (who hadn't previously played a 1st team competitive match), two strikers (Stokes and Griffiths), who just aren't in the same mould as others who have graced the Celtic jersey. Now, in the interests of fairness, Stokes can (and is) improving and there are occasions where also-rans or those on the football scrapheap get 2nd and 3rd chances and come good BUT the basic point is that there is a clear and evident lack of quality or if you prefer "quality potential". The lad McGregor seems to be composed and intelligent so there is something there and Brown has slowly but surely grown in to a half decent central midfielder of reasonable calibre, but there are very few reasons to be cheerful.

Perhaps RD is going to develop the existing crop in to better players and better citizens with "football intelligence" a key focus. Perhaps we will succeed in buying troubled players (with talent) and giving them a home and a platform to rejuvenate their career. Perhaps a different approach involving better fitness, pressing, higher tempo and passing can be the catalyst to getting the very best out of an indifferent bunch short on quality.

The point is that the Club (at the highest level) need to be delivering more. They can afford the risk to deliver even 1 (perhaps 2) marquee signings that would excite the fans; players who have rattled in 40 goals in holland or landed domestic plaudits in the croatian, slovenian, danish and dutch leagues.

The first eleven wasn't terribly surprising on wednesday but look at it. Analyse it. Really think about it. Do we deserve better? Gordon, Lustic, Izzy, VVD, Damayer, Johanssen, Kayal, Mulgrew, Stokes, McGregor, + Berget. Or put another way Gordon (free and no footy for 2 years), Lustig (free), Izzy (free), VVD (£2.5m), Demayer (loan), Johanssen (£1.5m), Kayal (£750,000), Mulgrew (free), Stokes (undisclosed/low fee), McGregor (youth). It's not al;l about money and fees doesn't guarantee pedigree BUT it gives you a step for a hint.

With our turnover, I think we should be doing more. Critically, I think we can do more and we need to find a constructive way of letting the powers that be know that we are not sheep who will turn up simply through blind loyalty.

I hope Rangers do come back and do spend and do challenge us and then perhaps we can aim a little higher and wake up a board that seems to be sleepwalking in to mediocrity.

I back RD and I back the players, but the Board are not getting my seal of approval as they haven't delivered whatever the me sure one uses to ascertain their performance and the billionaire majority shareholder DD hasn't had to dig deep at all to keep the show on the road. DD can afford to make a difference. Why doesn't he? The only way to fill CP with 59,000 is to give us players worthy of the jersey. The attendances tell their own story. The atmosphere tells its own story. And the story could get a whole lot worse unless we wake up and demand a better product.

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Long winded and I agree with most of it but we ARE going in the right direction with RD just hope the board back him to as far as the team for Wednesday they were all hero's and I can't honestly say anything bad about any of them on Wednesday for once in a long while I was proud

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Sorry but you are falling into the trap of we must buy a player at x amount or a marquee signing, I have said before and will say it again we have to stop judging a player on his price.Take Gordon for eg, if he stays fit this is an absolute master stroke sell the wall for 10m get just as good if not better for nothing.Everyone seems to talk about Strachans team when we got to last 16 of CL.But remember this team included duds like Caldwell McManus Telfer Gravesen etc.I will happily put the current crop up against that team with the exception of missing a striker.

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Just because a player is free doesn't reflect on his ability . A player can decide to run down his contract to get a bigger signing on fee than normal.
A low fee can sometimes come about by a player nearing the end of his contract so neither a free or low fee proves anything about a players worth or value .

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I am not meaning to be critical of the team; they don't negotiate their own transfers to CP and they don't pick themselves and there were a few stand out performers…my précis was about the depth of quality and heroes in the squad; on both counts …still scratching my head and searching for a player whose name I would put on the back of my replica jerseys

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To rayman and yourman

i am not saying we should being players in at any price; what I am alluding to is that there is money there

if we want a full CP then either we need to spend or the celtic PR machine has to go in to overdrive and make us believe that loan signings, frees, and 19 year old rookies are wrath the effort and commitment

you both seem to think that it is good policy to scrape around in the bargain basement and spent next to nothing; that is all well and good but I am proposing that THIS WILL NOT MAKE US A COMPETITIVE TEAM at a level where we see ourselves at. If it is domestic dominance you are after then "yeah" you are quite correct, a maximum wage of £25k per week will get us there when others are paying two bob.

BUT if we want to compete at home in the CL Group stages and nick 1 or 2 draws away, then this crop will not cut the mustard, no chance, no way, no how…

it depends on what you are after …

what are football club profit's for…are they for shareholders or are they for "investment" in a better pool of players….

let us be clear here, once VVD goes, what other big ticket player do we have that we can sell for a small fortune to keep churning out the profits, NONE

why is that …oh…arm…lets see …ah that's right, because we are setting ourselves lower and lower and lower and lower standards

if rayman and yourman are happy with that then fair enough but you are encouraging a race to the bottom and you should expect and demand more as customers

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I can't for the life of me understand this desire of many fans to spend £5/6m on players.imo those players valued at the above won't come to scotland and if by any chance they did they would want top dollar.so if we buy the three or four at those prices suggested and include their wages your profit is gone and no guarantee they would be successful.if we are honest with ourselves the last sixteen is the best we can expect in the cl.too many superior teams with the best players the world will be far too good for us (fact).as I have said in previous posts, if certain fans only want to watch celtic when they are doing well don't criticise the fans that go all the time, because for a lot of fans celtic are their life.sorry for the rant but is only my opinion.killy.

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I also cannot understand the demand there is to pay £5/6 million for a player
I am not sure Shane long would set the SPL alight and put fear in Champions League defences and he went to Southampton for £12 m .
What I want is players that will make us a better team . I don't care if they cost us £500k or how much we pay for them
The bigger the price doesn't always mean they are a better player .

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All this talk about how much a player is worth does not him a good signing.celtic signed a player a few years ago for peanuts his first few games where to put mildly were not so good even his first year or so his name everybody know's is name hen lar

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22 Aug 2014 16:59:05
Hopefully Lennon gets the palace job and takes a few of the players he signed for us
What players do u think he would come after?

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22 Aug 2014 18:07:56
Balde pukki and mulgrew and effe for a fee of fifteen million wee can only dream I suppose lol hail hail looking forward to the game tomorrow it will be a youthful team tommorrow as wee rest players for Tuesday hopefully be a full house and atmosphere will be rockin

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Maybe VVD
maybe Commons

and if we BEG, he might take Izzy

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I just hope he gets the job and dose well he deserves that for all he had to put up with here GOOD LUCK NL

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If NL got the job, palace would be my 2nd team down south…want him to do well

want forster to do wel
want hooper to do well
want wanyama to do well

the better they do the more we get for future stars bound for the EPL as we will use these players performances to add weight to the credibility argument which would mean an extra few million

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{Ed007's Note - Did anyone ever doubt he would apply for the job? I said it as soon as Tony Pullis left, and here's why....

Izzy is great: he's our best attacking player. I'd not let him go for less that the huge fees we talk about for centerbacks. And by the way: Forster made a stupid move like hooper. i'm glad Gordon looks like the goalie he has been.

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Haha. that's too much for casual afternoon browsing Ed!

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{Ed007's Note - I would recommend watching their 'Gangnam style' video :)

Your a dirty wee man ed lol

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{Ed007's Note - :)

ED

I think we should abandon our signing policy and get the girls up the road and on the park for 30 minutes pre game…15 minutes half time and 1 hour post match and the Board can sit back and watch the turnover skyrocket

i think there was a rumour that they were going down this route but were thinking of using some of the 2nd team …apparently that is why watt left…just saying.

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{Ed007's Note - The club could run an X-Factor type of competition to select a cheerleading squad, I'd happily volunteer my time to help with the selection process and training them.}

You couldn't do that (with total focus) and have the time and energy to keep up standards on here…you'd be cross eyed ED

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{Ed007's Note - I'd give it a go :)

22 Aug 2014 07:19:50
RD is growing on me, his stay at Celtic and train hard for a year and go to a bigger club the Newcastle is the perfect put the bassas in their place to Pardew and his nasty wee club.

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It was appropriate and overdue; my worry is that its just rhetoric knowing the selling policy. If we can hold on to this guy another year it could make the difference, but i'm also encouraged by Deila.

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Pissed again? What's nasty and wee about Newcastle?

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22 Aug 2014 10:41:12
Any chance of a translation ed? Or even a hint as to what he is taking about .

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not 100% sure myself....}

Well no need to be little other teams we only really need to concentrate on our own team maybe the fact that there owner has shares in sevco don't really affect us that much anyhow u actually think he wants to pump cash into them for the sake of it he is like every other over there wants a quick Buck and off he goes but they are about the 8th biggest team in england with Sunderland and boro 6/7 lol coybig

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TTTS, would of been nice if you could of gave the guy a chance from start.

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I don't know what the original post was about? But I agree Diela is gaining respect with the support after a very difficult start.
The transition in training methods and tactics was obviously difficult for some, but the squad seem to have bought into the new mangers philosophy and the joy on the bench when McGregor scored was a very good sign of team spirit and moral.

JJ

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Was in response to newcastle interest in virgil, ronnie basically said stay with us for at least another year, and you could play for a team bigger than newcastle

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@2 and the other posts that didn't get the original post! It is RD talking about how a move to Newcastle has unsettled VVD! RD says stay another year and mature then you will earn a move to Newcastle or better . Sounds as though VVD has had his head turned, RD trying to father figure him! Sounds a good pro management to me

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I don't think Virgil will be leaving this window. Virgil said he wanted to play Champions League Football.
If he went to Newcastle it would be more likely that he would be playing Championship Football.

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See if Virgil wants to go let him go anybody that don't want to wear the famous green and white hoops can go then nobody bigger than Celtic better have game and gone and we are the famous Glasgow Celtic we ain't a steppingstone to a move to southampton ffs wear the jersey with pride man Mon the hoops

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Delbhhoy1888: yea I agree: he seems to know how to talk to players and the media. Can he walk the the walk? I guess we find out next week! C'mon the hoops.

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Why DN30? Jury is still out as well .Not one of those vastly experienced managers you're always ranting about .

Nope Jim Tim I'm as dry as a set of camels b******* in a sand storm which is more than can be said about Newcastle .Horrible place .

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JJ my apologies for the criptic like post, was at 6 ish this morn at Leeds/Bradford airport after a nightshift. Basically was liking how RD was confronting the disrespectful AP who is quick to put the boot in Celtic but yet comes crawling looking our players .
As for the nasty wee club part, it is .Why would anyone on a Celtic forum want to defend NFC?

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TTTS, certainly has a lot more experience than neil lennon when he took over from mowbray.

His recent achievements at stomsgodset speak for themselves. He has won trophies, transformed a poor side into one of most competitive clubs in norwegian football. What more do you want when we are on a budget?

Reason you don't like him is cause he does not fall into this celtic minded pi$h

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Perhaps it's my second team? My home?

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DN30, don't think I ever mentioned Celtic minded, ever .A wee bit obcessed with this Celtic minded thing?

Nice one Jim Tim, nothing I'd bum about thou .

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22 Aug 2014 02:17:58
Hey fellow bhoys and ghirls just want to come on and see what everybody thought about kayal performance other night me personally thought was best player on the park by a mile maybe along with Johansen .fair play to the manager when I saw the team sheet and dropped commons wasn't to sure but he got it spot on should have won by at least a few goals . c'mon pl get a new striker in ffs no more midfielders many have we got .coybig

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22 Aug 2014 07:22:43
kayak always was one of our better players, just never got any sort of a run for 1 reason or another.Certainly would like to see him getting an extended run.

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Kayal has everything we need in a midfielder, but his temper is worse than Forrest's. The fact of not getting much first team action really seemed to sour him but with a decent run, as you say, he could be an asset.

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Yip spot on Rabbie just don't know were he goes when brown comes back though think his style a play suits the way the manager likes to play pressure high up park and lots of energy hail hail

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I like his energy, always have. But as pointed out, there's no place for him with Brown back.

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Me personally if gonae play that formation in Europe again has to leave out mulgrew he hasn't got any pace then play brown just in front of kayal looks like a new signing new left back centre forward and has the making of a no bad team. Jim Tim

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There is no doubting his ability; but I agree with his temperament issue and he always seems wary in the tackle after so many injury problems - especially the McCulloch assault.
Maybe a run in the team will be ideal and with Brown due back and the way McGregor is playing, we can get shot of Mulgrew from the midfield.

JJ

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I like the idea of losing Mulgrew, but Ronny seems fond. Kayal can go forward: he doesn't always keep the ball but the point about his energy seems important for this team. With Mcgregor and broony they could really boss things in the middle. I've always thought brown could play for anyone, but I think he needs an Iniesta. I say give Kayal a real run: he can play.

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Would have though Mulgrews place would be most at risk with a fit Brown .

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