Celtic Banter Archive July 21 2017

21 Jul 2017 23:00:30
Jb67 did u not listen to what Brendan says seems lawells an easy target so get real if u want a top manger and top players that we can attract i think the least we can do is play our part so do you think brendans wrong?

{Ed007's Note - Lawwell might be an easy target but not as easy as Celtic fans or players it seems. We went to Ibrox, a player was racially abused, another player was confronted by an opposition fan on the field of play and there were missiles including a battery thrown at our players.
We went to Belfast, the game was moved to accommodate an anti Catholic 'celebration' where a player has been racially abused via an anti Catholic bonfire and the opposition or police couldn't guarantee our fans safety - why not, were Linfield and PSNI labelling Celtic a Catholic club, what was their explanation for not being able to guarantee our supporters safety? At the game the same player was racially abused again, missiles including a bottle were thrown at our players - not just LG, why throw a banana at LG? - and there was a pitch invasion to attack LG after the game, what did Lawwell say about any of that?
His million £+ salary, public profile and power not to mention his heated driveway is plenty of pay for him being a target, it comes with the territory, the pay and the perks.}

21 Jul 2017 23:20:27
lawell out ed007 in.

{Ed007's Note - SPFL board meetings.....

21 Jul 2017 23:37:14
Yes, Ed, but what do you want Lawwell to do,?, go through it but by bit, who moved the match, I thought it was the psni, he was powerless, I have sympathy for LG, have always been a big supporter, even when you were saying he wasn't the kind that should ever wear the hoops, or whatever words you used, but I never seen the match and if he was giving the crowd the old how's your father, he must have known what the response would have been, the tying around the goalpost could have been avoided as well, but hardly Lawwells fault, as for this banner stuff, what is it with the GB, are they plastic Paddy's or what, why do they have to try and ram ira stuff down people's throats, are they insecure in their irishness, or something, there are plenty good causes in the world at the minute, why hark back to the black times when children were getting blown up, young men and women were getting killed and disabled in pub bombs, and car bombs, there was a feel good thing about the club at the minute, but they have taken away from it, they go on about the occupation of Ireland, well I have news for them, Ireland is occupied, and I am not talking g about the north, Europe occupies Ireland now, we have more in common with the Brits whether we like it or not, than the europeans.

{Ed007's Note - I want Lawwel to stand up for the Club, it's players and fans, is that too much to ask?}

21 Jul 2017 23:59:53
When hasn't he done that?, don't the players and fans have responsibilities as well,?,

{Ed007's Note - Well did he comment on any the things I listed? LG has had a battery and a bottle thrown at him during matches, our captain was confronted on the park by an opposition fan at their stadium and we've had nothing from him. LG booked for having a bottle thrown at him meaning we have 5 bookings which brings a charge and what? Hee feckin haw, that's what and there's plenty more over the years he's bottled it to take UEFA, the SFA and SPFL to task over.
Let's just hope that Celtic fans don't follow TRIFC fans lead that they need to invade the park to protect their players when they're having missiles thrown at them or opposition fans confront our captain on the pitch - imagine how those pro Israel Tory voters that loathe the IRA but still sing the songs and who make up 50% of our support would react! ;)
In all seriousness though mate, the Oglach banner was stupid and I've never said otherwise but it's really not that important in the bigger picture. We'll get a rap on the knuckles fine and TRIFC fans will talk about it for years to come while we'll forget all about it in a couple of weeks.}

22 Jul 2017 00:00:23
Aindoh, there was no IRA reference on banner, only your interpretation. People who want to be offended can be by anything.

21 Jul 2017 23:32:42
Hard work all work is what? Easy work mate we should not compare us with others we should have are standards.

21 Jul 2017 23:42:00
the guy is a clown. he panders down to that huns time after time, and wheres these top players you are talking about? they sit on a fortune year after year and lay out next to nothing on players, and has sat back and been complicit in sevcos cheating, who cares who the manager is at the end of the day he is just an employee of the fans.

22 Jul 2017 00:44:56
Feck sake Chris. There was an Easter Lily on the beret. You know right well the Lily commemorates Ireland's patriot dead. I also haven't read too many posts, if any, claiming to be offended. I certainly didn't find it offensive, I found it foolish.

{Ed007's Note - Is the Easter Lilly offensive now? I wish someone would produce a monthly list of these things. What about poppies commemorating dead British patriots, will it be OK to wear them at football games this August to mid December as per usual in Scotland? What if wearing poppies offends heroin addicts? Won't somebody thiink of the junkies!!}

22 Jul 2017 01:00:36
Old man Chris, we are separated by a common language.

{Ed007's Note - Txt spk m8? ;)

22 Jul 2017 01:08:19
Old man chris. Talking rubbish. Everyone knows the meaning of the banners. They were wrong so Stop trying to put up a case as if they were harmless. Makes you look silly. its a sectarian statement. You know it is so stop trying to minimise the issue. Face it up. don't try to make it less than it was. I agree the treatment of LG was wrong big time. However that was in Belfast. Let UEFA deal with it. So you don't like how UEFA deal with it. So what. Its the same for everyone. We know the rules. If it upsets a team so much then withdraw from the competition. We have a first class manager. We all talk about supporting him but in reality some of the supporters want their agenda regardless of what the manager wants. There are rules. You don't like them? Tough shit. grow up!

22 Jul 2017 07:21:22
Ed, for the record, my answer to your question is an empathetic 'NO'. Now that is definitely my final contribution on the subject. The book is closed on it for me. GRMA.

22 Jul 2017 07:58:54
Johnny mac the meaning of sectarian. Seperating ourselves from a group

Rightly so. Their bigotes fans are not a minority

Our irish banners songs are political not religious. Against eatablishment not people

Theirs however are sick racist and bigoted banners songs and attitude. that's the difference and that's why we should be seperate from them.

22 Jul 2017 10:14:10
We know the Hun media love it when we sing ira songs to make an equivalent comparison as to, they are both as bad, argument. Why give them the opportunity?

Ed makes good points of things we need to make a stand in. A banner of a paramilitary fighter to goad the knuckle draggers I don't comes into that category. It was ill conceived and yet again we are getting a fine from UEFA.

I have no problem with political beliefs, but don't feel Celtic Park or away games is the platform. We were all on a high about the new season and still are but giving ourselves these issues isn't helpful.

If you want to make a political statement re Ireland then go on a republican March. The numbers at these is always in the low hundreds, where are all the passionate, politically motivated republicans then?

We are always pulling the Huns up about living in the past. We should maybe think about ourselves in that regard. I have never heard an ira song sang at an Ireland game. They seem to be able to manage it, why not us? I love what the gb bring re atmosphere but the songbook needs tweeking IMO. Won't happen though.

22 Jul 2017 11:57:23
I think the Celtic board should be backing the club. Batteries
Buckfast Bananas and racial abuse. THE BOARD HAVE NOT SAID A WORD
.

22 Jul 2017 12:02:34
Ok Magicpole. If you want Celtic park to be totally impartial politically that's fine

So i assume you will be ok with me bringing a union jack to Celtic park?

Being a British club, nothing political about it. So would you accept that? Based on your logic u would be.

22 Jul 2017 12:02:01
Lawell does not protect our Club. He is silent in all the things Ed has mentioned. Not good enough for a Man who takes more than he gives.

22 Jul 2017 13:30:35
I am lost past the time when I would bother with that. I would despair if it caused you to get beaten up. I would probably consider the mental health of such an individual and what motivated them. I would balance that out by what motivates me and not going to to when I see something I would rather avoid is right up there.

I like being in the CL more than I like singing some songs. We are not the sporting wing of the ira. If anybody wants to be a true supporter of the republican cause then belting out rebel sings at a game, or going to to at a guy with a union flag doesn't get near it.

I just don't think the cause of Irish republicanism is a football related issue.

Opinions are split with the Provo song book. I am a passionate lover of animals and detest cruelty to them. Should I bring along banners of fox hunting? No, but I do go on marches and support groups who fight it.

It gives our enemies ammunition and that pisses me off. Also, it's UEFA rules and if we want the cash then we abide. Is it really that hard to go through 99 minutes without singing a song or raising a banner that we all know will cause us grief?

What about loving Celtic as much as Ireland and singing for Celtic at the games and getting involved politically with the plight of the north through politics?

I know many disagree and I respect your reasons, I just don't agree with them. I'm a Celtic man going to see Celtic to support Celtic. My political life happens away from games.

{Ed007's Note - So you think songs like Grace, TFOA and Let the People Sing should all be banned from Celtic Park? I actually think there's some in our support think Grace is a love song from some Disney film.
Why was Rod Stewart's daughter singing a song about an IRA man at the Lisbon Lions 50th Anniversary show at the Hydro - an official Celtic event?}

22 Jul 2017 14:23:02
I wouldn't ban songs. I would ask we think about how they are manipulated to attack us and ask, is singing about the Irish troubles why we are there?

I don't think it is.

Some obviously do, so its up to the club to say, what is allowed, to keep us in the CL.

I'm a Celtic supporter not a republican supporter. If I was, I'd March with them and sing there. At Celtic games I prefer Celtic songs. I can't remember getting a fine for them, or a banner with the lions, or Henrik on it.

{Ed007's Note - So you think it's OK for the Club to promote songs about Irish Nationalism/Republicanism? If the fans can't do it then the Club should lead by example and ban these songs outright, but that might affect the balance sheet so that'll never happen. Irish Nationalism/Republican is a big money maker for Celtic because everyone and their dog knows they are intertwined throughout the very fabric of the Club:

https://goo.gl/oHqhJh

22 Jul 2017 15:18:14
So there you have it. An actual admission that he would have a union jack at Celtic Park.

Magicpole avoided the question. But did say he would avoid songs because they can be used against us

Against us by who? Loyalists? Anti fenian politicians?

Thats the same attitudes that lost us our language. They keep telling us we should be ashamed of irish history and people like you fall for it

Its all part of removing pride and heritage from minorities. Bet they don't ask you to forget ww1 and 2 or the holocaust?

No chance so why should we put our history aside?

22 Jul 2017 22:56:24
Johnnymac when is UEFA going to deal with LG treatment. . So far they allowed the yellow card to stand . The one he got for handing the referee a bottle that just after it missed his head . For tieing a scarf on goal posts in front of Celtic fans and whenLinfield fans were heading out of stadium, except those who had thrown missiles at Griffith's half an hour earlier

So will we wait until next season for UEFA to act.

23 Jul 2017 10:40:44
Ed no I don't think they should promote something they then turn around and say we should cut out. That is not a strong position, although I don't think I've heard any Provo songs, but, it's sending mixed signals I agree.

And Telsa, what I said was I wouldn't get apoplectic over a Celtic fan bringing a union flag. I would be surprised but I wouldn't batter the guy. Burn it, act like a Hun. That scenario as you know is beyond likely. That kind of analogy isn't realistic to defend the promotion of a political agenda that causes the club problems in the CL.

The statement from the gb was full of arrogance and threat. We will do what we like. I'm sorry but get your feet on the streets with your heartfelt political beliefs.

As Billy Bragg might say, Banners is Not Enough.

We are a football club. Not everyone wants to be associated with the gb views. I have no problem
with the gb having views, it's just how they promote them I have a problem with.

I heard there are over 3,000 members, why don't they swell the ranks of the next republican March to 3,200 and maybe then I will believe their passionate support of the republican cause. Until then singing songs and banners inside our ground or at away games will be hammered by UEFA.

What's wrong with wanting them to stop endangering our reputation and ability to compete in the CL?

{Ed007's Note - What the hell is a 'Provo song'? The Celtic Symphony that's video shows the Wolfe Tones outside and inside CP singing Ooh ahh Up the Ra and filmed with the Club's permission? You're not of those morons that differentiates whether songs are acceptable or not depending on what version of the IRA they're about? That's just people trying to make themselves look better and justifying their singing, they're still singing The Rebs, TFOA, Grace, Let the people sing - all Rebs mate.
The Club released an album in 1967 to commemorate winning the EC which included We're all off to Dublin and Sean South but people are saying Irish Republicanism isn't part of Celtic's history, have these people never heard of what Michael Davvitt or Eamon de Valera done for Celtic in the past? Why did Jock Stein take the EC to Dublin in 1968 to meet de Valera?
And whoever told you the GB has 3000 members is pulling your leg.}

23 Jul 2017 12:28:33
You're right they have included songs about the Ra. It is also true that UEFA have decided to hammer us for this. Maybe the board have realised that the environment has changed and what they used to do they can't anymore or face penalties.

All I am asking is the gb also recognise the changed environment and continue their political agenda in other ways.

{Ed007's Note - When have UEFA hammered us for it? December 2011: Celtic are fined £12,700 by UEFA after fans make pro-IRA chants during a Europa League clash with Rennes in Glasgow.
And that's it nearly 6 years ago and that's all I can see from our UEFA charges plus there's no way you can't lay the blame for that at the GB's door because just like Wednesday against Linfield the big majority of the crowd were singing/chanting them. What if the GB said it was part of their culture?
I'm just thankful the SFA are not trying to stop us flying the Irish Tricolour like they did in the 50s, there's more than likely Celtic supporters that would agree with it today and who would encourage it's removal.}

21 Jul 2017 21:21:00
A lot of fans are getting mighty tired of what we see as our club rolling over when there should be a greater challenge to fines, charges etc.
If the club as a whole want to take the stance of banning "non appropriate" - my words- behaviour then it must then be a blanket stance starting with visiting supporters also. I will expect that due to massive damage costs by a rangers support last year that we can assume their fans will be banned for a couple of games this season? If we want to be all high n mighty and follow the letter to the law then I expect the board to administer a zero tolerance.

21 Jul 2017 22:04:29
Stevo, Brendan has requested that the GB keep the heid and play the game. We have the best manager we've had in a while so I hope the GB go along with his wishes. Hail Hail.

21 Jul 2017 21:54:59
lawwell just pandering to the dup.

21 Jul 2017 23:00:08
Hahaha James! To be honest though I face palmed when I read bigots like Nelson 'Red Sky' McCausland and Jamie 'Fweg Pwotester' Bwyson trying to take the moral high ground on the subject this week. If Carlsberg did irony the DUP would be doing the 12 steps.

21 Jul 2017 23:03:10
surely there's no political moves within the boardroom jamesy.

21 Jul 2017 23:46:37
lawwell just out to keep the handshakers happy as per usual, just look at him allowing that mob to move the game in belfast.

21 Jul 2017 17:26:48
Disgrace Disgrace, Disgrace, Celtic, Stand up, Stand Up. I hope every clear thinking Celtic fan with spend the cost of a stamp and write directly to the club, I say stamp because emails will not be accounted for and will receive an automated reply.
Shame on The CEO and the Board, Shame on You. We have been battered enough by these crazy officials and the Administration in Scottish Football, who take great joy in these events. Celtic REVERSE THIS DECISION,

21 Jul 2017 18:10:37
Do you not think the whole point in the harsh treatment is to weed this nonsense out? On a serious note, everybody knows looking at that flag - there is going to be a problem. It's 2017, time for people to grow up.

21 Jul 2017 18:11:48
see they've only closed it to the 900 of us in the lower section takes the piss.

21 Jul 2017 18:20:29
Celtic FC are a very soft target for so-called football authorities at home and abroad because of our roots, traditions and even success and have repeatedly capitulated and/ or bent the knee even though there are countless examples of more serious 'offences' worldwide.
I'm not saying it is acceptable, but Flares, smoke bombs, controversial banners and offensive songs happen in other grounds every other week and nothing is said or done!
Sir Robert Kelly new how to stand up to these panty wetters and witch-hunters and we lack someone of his ilk.
I'm still ashamed and furious that our club stayed silent about TRIFC 2012 fiasco and jiggery-pokery pokery.

21 Jul 2017 18:20:40
db weeed out the nonsense? is this the same nonsense that gave u the 125 yrs tifo or the lisbon tifo (not a penny from celtic btw) carry out all the foodbanks collections raise money for palestine. back the team 100% home and away.

21 Jul 2017 18:22:01
DB92, please define nonsense, no point in going to the question and pulling you pants up at the last minute, as I said before, Prawn sandwiches you can get anywhere, here you get a club like no other, History Warts and all, but the warts belong to us and we should protect all.

21 Jul 2017 18:37:35
Pro-IRA banner. That. Is. All! Thankfully Uefa haven't said anything about the singing other night which went hand in hand with the singing. I'm all for the GB, they have made Celtic Park a party atmosphere and a better place but that banner was just daft. As soon as we all saw it we knew it was bad news for the club and well now for the fans.

21 Jul 2017 18:37:42
The stuff related to the club are usually brilliant! But the simple fact is the daft IRA chants and banners hold the club back and doesn't really belong within the stadium. Each to there own outside it, but it gives the reprobates something to talk about and makes the club an easy target. There's plenty of Celtic banners you can put up so why bother?

21 Jul 2017 18:39:38
Fact is, given the scrutiny around standing at matches these days any dangerous or unsafe behaviour is always going to be met with harsh treatment. I just hope it doesn't affect the team.

21 Jul 2017 18:40:37
First of all I would like to say that I really enjoy the GB but come on they must know its going to get the club into trouble with Some of the banners and the flairs so why do it UEFA won't stand for it the club can't fight it SO WHY DO It? It really does seem crazy to me when they do it at European games more so the flairs that is a definite no no and every one knows it so why do it as for some of the banners they must know some will get the club into bother again why do it if they know it will cause bother with UEFA I know I will get pelted for this but sometimes I feel they will not be happy until we have to play the home games behind closed doors then cry poor me as I said 90% off the time they are great for the club but seam to want to press the self destruct button now and then.

21 Jul 2017 19:03:26
if we all know what the banners are going to cause so do celtic, so why wasnt standing shut at the linfield . season books that's why.

21 Jul 2017 19:10:50
Tony2bhoy, what Load of BS, we are a club like no other. We have given focus to palistine, poverty in Europe, human rights, the occupation of Ireland, all through the behavior of the GB, tell me any other club who have achieved this, your answer will be None. So for me, we have proved our individuality, So we should not be bullied by people who seek to destroy our ability to deliver a profound message, whilst maintaining our principles on and off the park.

21 Jul 2017 19:15:11
The club reacted to dafties with IRA banners.
The club got punished for it.
So why should they keep letting it happen?

Stop acting like one of that lot with the conspiracy theories.

21 Jul 2017 19:22:01
Malika please enlighten me as to what the profound message of putting our managers face on a banner like that? I'd love to hear who u think benefits from a sheer act of idiocy?

{Ed007's Note - There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Brendan Rodgers banners and neither of them were included in the UEFA charge. The Celtic View have used the same road sign design themselves in the past btw.}

21 Jul 2017 19:39:46
Not everyone is going to agree on this. On one side we have those who will back the Green Brigade's right to fly the banner, regardless of the consequences. On the other we have those who feel that it was unwise as it would inevitably end with a UEFA sanction and fine.

We have given each other pelters on here over the last few days. I am guilty of getting involved myself, regrettably. I think we should move on and concentrate on the Rosenberg game. We need to stop giving the willing MSM and football authorities the ammunition to come at us and punish us. Pick your battles wisely.

21 Jul 2017 19:44:15
This banner type was used by Celtic View, featuring one of our players, I did not use this in my comments about delivering a profound view, I simply stated how we had raised awareness on issues like the occupation of Ireland, Palistine, poverty, and human rights, through the banners produced by the GB. Lh86,spend a little time on research of the Jungle, the GB, the foundation of this club, and then you might see where, I am comming from.

21 Jul 2017 19:44:21
How many times do they need told that flares are banned?
How many times do the club need to ask not to bring flares to Celtic park.
But all we hear from these idiots is NO PIRO NO PARTY.
People are making banners that they KNOW are going to get the club in trouble but don't care so the club had to do something.
Hopefully they take their warning and start towing the line because when they focus on supporting and celebrating Celtic they can be fantastic.

21 Jul 2017 20:00:46
Kev, normally I pay attention to your posts, but on this one you are off the mark, if we had towed the line, we would not be here today.

21 Jul 2017 20:20:21
Can someone tell me what was up with either of the banners?

21 Jul 2017 19:42:19
exactly ed

celtic are quick to take the plaudits of the same fans they are quick to condemn.

21 Jul 2017 20:23:13
Why were they not allowed their banners at a friendly against lyon which caused a walk out? But allowed them against a powder keg game? We had to switch game dates to suit anti Catholic hatred where that club and police couldn't guarantee our safety in the name of " culture" but Brendans undefeated army is unacceptable? ( I know there maybe an undelying reference ) but there was no wording/ offending slogans! Our player was pelted with coins n bottles, attempted attacks and Celtic come out this punished worse? get a grip.

21 Jul 2017 20:53:04
We have raised awareness of Palestine , poverty and human rights! Wtf is this a political movement? No it's a football club, if you want to fight these issues , join a political party or even better stand for election, hell I might even vote for you, but Celtic park is a place for people of all backgrounds, all political beliefs and all religions to come along support the club and watch football . What about the people who don't share your views or political beliefs, are you saying they are not welcome? Who are you to say that? And in turn ram your views down their throats.

21 Jul 2017 21:34:00
Correct move from Celtic UEFA will probably do the same the gb do and have put on great displays but they had no common sense with that banner surely they must have known the consequences the troubles are over and as a Belfast man I don't want them back.

21 Jul 2017 21:35:57
Lads nobody is disputing they put on great displays and add massively to the atmosphere in the stadium but enoughs enough! To put Brendan's face on a banner like that was bang out of order! For our best manager since MON to have to come out less than a week before a vital European tie to tell certain fans not to put up paramilitary banners is an absolute embarrassment!

And Welsh bhoy I totally agree they back the team but is it backing the club to constantly get us fines season after season? And what the hell has warts and all got to do with banners like that malika? Are u saying we should protect these half wits who put these things up? I actually Seen a few people online sayin if the green brigade get banned we should all not go! Are u having a laugh!

I'm here to watch and support my team, not hero worship certain fans who can't take a telling and think they run the place! I remember back in 1998 I went to my first game against the Huns, and we skelped them 5-1,I'd never experienced anything like it and the atmosphere was unbelievable! And guess what, there was no Green brigade in the stadium that nite!

This pish about they're the only ones who can create an atmosphere in paradise is exactly that, uttter pish! Our reputation for creating a unique atmosphere in paradise was there before them and will be there after them!

21 Jul 2017 21:36:01
Anyone of us that can't see the problems with pro ira banners needs a reality check honestly as someone said it's 2017 ok get a grip we all bang on about that lot fae govan with all there knuckle dragging but now some sections of paradise unvail a pro ira banners come on to feck really and don't started wae the well they done it first the green brigade are a joy to behold most of the time but that was way over the line hail hail.

21 Jul 2017 21:37:35
time for lawwell to stand down its overdue.

21 Jul 2017 21:38:24
We are a club like no other, yes but does that give us the right do as we want.
If I go thro life 99% of the time giving to charity and doing good to others and then I commit murder does that give me the right to get off? Ofcourse not and I know its an extreme but its the same principle.

A kid takes his mobile into an exam and gets it taken from him and branded a cheat cannot complain, he knows he is doing wrong BEFORE the act.
We all claim to be supporters so why would we do anything to harm the club?
Especially when its premeditated and been warned about it before.

We have got to wise up here and help our club not hinder it, not so long ago drink was acceptable at games and party songs were the norm aswell, as dare I say it racists taunts etc.

Nowadays we KNOW its unacceptable and cannot complain if anyone is caught doing so.
So again I implore our support, yes support the team but do it within the rules you are very aware of them BEFORE you do anything.
I ain't no pantywetter but I for the life of me can't see how any of this HELPS our club.

21 Jul 2017 21:41:21
All hail the Green brigade
Whether I agree with the sentiments or not I love the craic
I used to borrow my neighbors season book (skint) and was right beside them -awesome atmosphere
Everyone should get a grip
Why did people think it was ok to champion Palestine but not Ireland? Our heritage
Either way enjoy the show flags banners the lot
Here we go ten in a row.

21 Jul 2017 21:32:12
There are as many people at Celtic park that loathed the IRA as adored them, there are as many people at Celtic park Pro Israel as Pro Palestine, there are as many people at Celtic park with Conservative opinions as opposed to Liberal, etc. we are a club open to all, that has always been our advantage. When that banner went up on Wednesday my heart sunk, it doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not, anybody with half a brain knew it meant trouble.
We are a massive club worldwide, fighting against artificially cash rich clubs, our advantage is our reputation, history and the ability to be innovative.
To continue to compete on the level required we need to attract players and top managers like Brendan. Is this really helpful in that regard?
I go to Celtic park to support Celtic, not to be subjected to the latest political statement from a group of narcissists more interested in publicity than the welbeing of the club.
To be fair, at times they can be a real asset to the atmosphere but this flagrant disregard for authority and rules is now becoming tiresome. On this issue I support the stance taken by the board!

{Ed007's Note - When did this survey of the supports political beliefs and are you honestly saying if there was a collection for Israel amongst Celtic supporters it would smash through £100k?
Do these fans that loathed the IRA sing Grace at games or do they sit with their arms folded and a big petted lip tutting at other fans for glorifying the IRA? Remember Grace had Celtic Park rocking last season, you can't tell me that was a minority stuck in a corner that made that noise.
What about The Fields of Athenrye, is that too political for you? And finally why is the Club selling THIS CD with the political lyrics and overtones of Let the People Sing?}

21 Jul 2017 21:33:24
Most of us are Celtic fans despise our Board . Instead of bending down to UEFA they should explain what steps they are going to take to try to get UEFA to see sense.
The banner was offensive to those who wanted to be offended . To say it has anything to do with IRA is merely putting your own interpretation.

21 Jul 2017 21:39:58
Malika flares are banned in Scottish football as well as European football.
Have been for years. So if you take one to parkhead knowing your are getting the club in trouble you can't claim to have the club at heart.
As for political beliefs, football grounds are no longer the place to vent them.
The game has moved on from that along time ago. It's time to give it a break.
I go to support the team and clubs.

21 Jul 2017 21:53:14
At the end of the day there is a right and a wrong piros are a diffenet wrong any idiot knows that so why use them at park head? As for SOME of the banners GB must know Celtic will get into bother So why display them? Should Celtic as a Football club just take the hit every time for something they didn't do themselves? Yes or No? As I said I like the GB but I wish they would think of the consequences of the action sometimes.

{Ed007's Note - I know, it's shocking - what idiot brought them in?

21 Jul 2017 22:01:23
been trying to keep quiet tonight as im raging at the club for the way its been handled, but have to say ed that is the best response i've heard from anyone across any forum tonight.
celtic want to use the irish history card when it suits the brand.

{Ed007's Note - And that's it in a nutshell. As long as it's Plastic Paddy with his leprechaun hat and shamrock T-shirt bought out the Club shop it's all fine and good.}

21 Jul 2017 22:10:53
Ed, I could ask you the same about surveys, if the survey was in my area the result would be far higher than 50% for my conclusion.
As for the song Grace, it is a fantastic song regardless of historical context, people sing and love songs for all types of reasons. Most people singing songs at games react to the tune and the reaction. The fields of Athenrye the same!
For your information I have sung all the songs and still do from time to time in the right company, but not at the games.
This is not a pissing contest, whether you like it or not there are rules and regulations we have to abide by and we didn't!
Many people at Celtic park have an affinity and sympathy with Ireland, that has to be respected and admired, but Scotlands foremost football club displaying paramilitary banners publicly!

{Ed007's Note - I can't believe you made me read that shite - historical context (facepalm)

21 Jul 2017 22:04:57
Ballochi, I do not believe that any Celtic fan could come out with such drivel, CP is renoun for exactly what you say, i. e. Fighting these issues, Because of how why and we're we were founded, and you are right Celtic Park is a place for all backgrounds, beliefs, and religions, that is part of the reason we are celebrated throughout the world. Football is the food of he masses, I am one of them, and Celtic are a Global leader in exemplary behavior on and off the field. I have never once shared any of my political beliefs on here, but my views on the actions of the club, I will comment on, in relation to preserving the values on which the club was founded. your "who are you" comment is quite reminiscent of the establishment which we got rid of when FmcC kicked out the Kelly's, and this is only a forum where people like me comment and do not ram anything down people's throats. So take it easy on the personal stuff, and stick to knowing the club, its values and history.

21 jul 2017 22:01:21
celtic and irish freedom the one same cause.

21 Jul 2017 22:10:04
Ed we have Irish roots the field's of athenrye is an Irish non offensive song released on CD in shops the solider song also but c'mon don't bring a banner of a fighter to Celtic park and also the singing has been more Celtic songs rather than republican songs lately than years gone by I love republican songs but when I go see Celtic play I want to sing Celtic songs it's the club I love and for that reason and respect for my fellow Celtic fans that don't want to hear or sing republican songs I'll listen to them at home Celtic park is a great place not a place for war.

21 Jul 2017 22:35:34
Ed, ? do you honestly think 60,000 people know the true history of the songs they sing from time to time, if you do I admire your naivety! and incidentally I have read and agreed with most of your opinions over the years, but in this case I fear we must disagree!

{Ed007's Note - That's not my naivety, that's their own stupidity. So back to these pro Israel Celtic supporters that are the same number as those opposed to their regime - how do you know this? The same amount of Tory voters as Labour or SNP, are you sure about that? That sounds like something you've made up to be honest and whether you have agreed with me on the past or not matters not a jot to me. I don't know you and don't care.}

21 Jul 2017 22:54:17
I still don't get what part the IRA played in the Club's history, in much the same way as I don't remember King Billy scoring a goal for Rangers. It should be left at the turnstile.

Chris you are being sarcastic, right? It was the Green Brigade logo in a Volunteer's military uniform, and a play on the 'Sniper At Work' sign potraying the manager. It wasn't some profound depiction of the Irish conflict. The subject wasn't subtle, it was designed to be deliberately provocative.

Some have no issue with it and others think differently.

Regardless of your opinion or stance on the message behind the images you could be sure of the fall-out. First up we are vilified in the press, next UEFA throw the rulebook at us, and lastly the Club takes a stance against those they hold responsible. It was only ever going to play out this way.

I have read all the arguments and counterarguments and it has been lively to say the least. There is not going to be a meeting of minds on this. It is livening up my Friday though.

{Ed007's Note - If UEFA don't have a problem with either the Brendan Rodgers' banners why does people in our support? It's called plagiarism and happens all the time, even the Celtic View have used it.}

21 Jul 2017 22:58:48
James as a Belfast Celtic man who lived throughout the troubles I can tell you Celtic and Irish freedom are two totally different things one is a joy which is Celtic the other was not knowing if your dad or mum was going to be safe going to work not knowing we're you going to be safe leaving your home not knowing we're your family going to be dragged out of your bed. people have lost love one's during those times and the joy of watching Celtic shouldn't be a reminder hh btw.

21 Jul 2017 23:01:41
remember as a young bhoy being told not to sing a song i didn't know or understand the meaning behind it . don't be naive and think that a large majority don't understand.

21 Jul 2017 23:07:12
Ed, and incidentally, its good to know that you are open to adult debate and not just propaganda!

21 Jul 2017 23:14:15
I think the issue is being overlooked should the GB have cart blanch to do what ever they feel right regardless of the consequences? And some actions that they know for sure will get Celtic in to trouble Is that OK regardless? Simple Yes or No? No agenda or political stance just Yes or No GB have some intelligent people in their I know they will know if it will get Celtic in to trouble or not.

21 Jul 2017 23:27:26
see its that attitude that gets my goat its not all the green brigade in that section yet they get the blame for everything . yes banner was theirs . can't say they wereblocking all the stairways or the only ones singing the other night.

21 Jul 2017 23:27:53
Granted Ed, I realise that UEFA would never have been able to call the Club to task on that particular banner from a legal standing. There was visually nothing in it, other than the chord it would have struck with those familiar with the original sign. I understand your point.

I remember the Club using the image before when it suited them. I am with you on that. I am also with you on the Paddywhackery they love to capitalise on at every opportunity.

Lastly, it would wrong to misinterpret my opposition to the banner/ s at the game to my opinion on the politics. As I said before though, I am happy to keep them seperate.

{Ed007's Note - I said the other night that the Oglach banner was stupid and the GB must have known it would draw attention and probably action but people have made a mountain out of a molehill considering the potential for trouble with the tie. The Club brought more charges during this tie than the fans did but everyone's banging on about a daft banner which really only offends if you if you want it to.
It could have been worse, we could have had a Gary Glitter lyric on a banner!}

22 Jul 2017 00:30:18
Old man Chris, maybe we are always bound to be protagonists, but if you are telling me you don't understand what was meant by the beret and the dark glasses in reference to the ira, then we grew up in different times.

21 Jul 2017 23:23:06
we have all had families this had happened to, irish republicans aren't only exclusive to belfast some of us just happen to belong to republican families who moved to scotland.

22 Jul 2017 00:49:13
Why is it misunderstood that it is people outside the club, that found that it's banner offensive, it is also people that support the club that found that banner offensive, that is why I asked what political correctness was (tongue in cheek) , it was nothing to do with political correctness, it was only political correctness to people who didn't know how it felt like to live through those days, some people would rather enjoy the peace than be reminded of the troubles.

22 Jul 2017 00:57:00
I don't think there will ever be agreement on this issue but for me one thing is sure, an eye for an eye makes everybody blind. Politics and Religion are always explosive issues and I don't think either have a place in football. with regards to the history of the club I'm not that old yet that I can remember its foundation or can pretend to know the political beliefs etc of Brother Walfrid but I assume that because he was a Marist Brother he would have been familiar with the Gospel which speaks of love etc. I have supported Celtic all my life and always will irrespective of banners etc but sometimes we can go too far.

21 Jul 2017 09:42:22
I agree that the banner was out of order so much so I'm taking it further and emailing bbc gold and dave to not show reruns of citzen Smith tooting freedom party . a damn disgrace.

21 Jul 2017 17:35:11
I quite liked the banner thought it wasn't that bad and lots of people are over reacting.

21 Jul 2017 03:04:46
Wee Patrick starting for Man C against Utd tonight.

21 Jul 2017 21:09:54
he played wing back and nutmegged danny blind.