Celtic Banter Archive December 21 2013

21 Dec 2013 21:57:32
What you guys make of the banning of flags and banners for the st Johnstone game . Really is a step too far in my opinion . And they wonder why less and less people are going to games

21 Dec 2013 22:26:02
1rst ad heard of it, but yes far to far

Not sure how to copy a link on this kindle Mb it's the courier.co.uk some paper there's a few people talking on Twitter about it the links there m8

{Ed007's Note - http://goo.gl/YUfUPS

Cheers for the assistance ed haha

{Ed007's Note - No problem Graham.}

Next it will be the banning of scarves in case you offend the opposition fans. There is no intellectual discussion taking place so why not! I am not joking they would do this if they could get away with it. They would issue you with a green top or a red top or a blue top. It would not matter what your team colour is or was. It would be like the old jousting arrangements your colour would have to correspond not to a club but to a powerful Oligarch possibly royalty if they got their way. I keep saying it the more we put up with the more they push. that's how bullies act. Sopotcelt.

22 Dec 2013 09:44:20
What is the answer to our problem board then? What can be done?

First unite and fans some at least should stop doing the establishments job for them. Ie attacking our own. Then just become aware and open that all is not as it appears. Then the answers will come. Sopotcelt.

22 Dec 2013 12:57:16
Plenty of solutions to the problem but the ones that run the game aren't intrested . Its only going to get worse we've already saw clubs going to the wall and others barely getting by and they still ain't intrested in the fans opinion on how to improve things as plenty of people have stated look at the german league the best in the world in every way imo. They basically started all over again did what the fans wanted its a bad day when you can watch a bundesliga match cheaper than a for instance hibs v ross county scottish football needs a total overhaul in every way is it going to happen, probably not in my lifetime

The Board have raked in cash from the sale of our best players while NL had to struggle to qualify for the CL with what was left plus new signings that were untested and fairly unknown.
They sit on their hands while innocent fans are assaulted and beaten by over zealous under-cover Dutch cops.
They offer two players (maybe more) a new deal with a pay-cut!?
I won't go into the long standing feud with the GB that has split opinions.
But their failure to properly back the manager with quality signings or securing the future of his assets is undermining the manager and the fans and yesterdays attendance was a reflection of how things are going.
Historically, Celtic have always needed the fans to generate the atmosphere and motivate the team.
To now dictate what can and cannot be displayed on banners and flags is totalitarian and misguided as it tars all Celtic fans with the same brush and suggests we cannot be trusted.
The club needs the support and to continually alienate and criticise them will be a big mistake.

JJ

22 Dec 2013 17:30:19
So what was the answer then?

MB its for each individual to come to their own conclusion and construct their own answer. Keep reading and researching and you will get there. After all that's just what everyone else is doing. First understand there is a problem. Many do not see the problem and that's the first step to any solution. Sopotcelt.

@6 Is that not what you are doing, attacking your own?
Tambhoy

Tambhoy.
No.
Sopotcelt.

22 Dec 2013 21:03:17
Sopocelt 1rst decent suggestion, but am sorry a haven't seen celtic in a better position than this (maybe Seville ).

@12 So what is it your doing sopocelt, are Lawell and board not our own?.
Tambhoy

Work it out for yourself mate. The evidence is there its just like with most things that the truth is painful and hard to face. Sopotcelt.

There's no getting through to TamBhoy until he's the one being harrassed at first hand. Until then he'll continue to go to games (if he even goes to matches) with his blinkers on, eating his prawn sandwich. Forever an apologist to the media, police, etc.

@16 What is it HB, why would I be harassed, I have done nothing wrong, you come on here and talk about the people who are being unjustly harassed then you want me to be, strange, because I have a different opinion from you doe's not make me a prawn sandwich eater, as for apologist do you not do that for the green brigade?Do I go to matche's aye since 1957.I will ALWAY'S stand up for CELTIC until
they do somethig I do not approve of, as I have said in a previous post I do not agree with the banning of banner's. BTW I come from the same town as you, don't know where I would get a prawn sandwich.
Tambhoy

21 Dec 2013 20:25:09
Really hoping for a productive January transfer window but also a bit anxious about losing players. We are crying out for a goalscorer and a creative midfielder.

I had seen a few comments about spending and wages etc meaning we could end up like RFC did. Think we need to remember they were insolvent for a few years and ignored every warning sign.

Walter Smith spent more on Kyle Lafferty that Neil Lennon did on Kayal, Izzy and Hooper put together. Remember RFC were for all intents and purposes bankrupt at this point and also went onto spend £4m on Jelavic (which I'm not sure was all ever paid)

During their era when they equalled Celtic's 9 in a row, there was a ridiculous turnaround of playing staff. Walter Smith himself spent more than any English Club over the same period of time did.

Not particularly having a go at Smith he was a football Manager, not the Club Accountant.

We are not asking for this kind of irresponsible spending and Celtic are far from insolvent.

Hope you all have a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

xx

21 Dec 2013 21:18:49
Fair enough points mrs E
A think showing that hooper izzy and kayal came for less than a lafferty proves we dnt need to spend over 4m on a player specially when you throw in VVD, wanyama, commons.
If the scouting system is good enough they should be finding these gems more often than not.

Merry Xmas to you xx

The only thing that's going to make us insolvent mrs e is poor direction on our way forward, attendances are shocking and it isn't going to get better in the next 18 months unless we are given what everyone wants a decent attractive football team. Our signing policy is clearly flawed as fans are not turning up, every now and again we need to gamble on a decent player who might excite people. Nobody expects to compete with the top end clubs but many lesser clubs in top leagues we can certainly match or better in what we can offer ( titles + Europe )
Jim

21 Dec 2013 22:29:43
We had a team that was beating Barcelona and making last 16 of CL last season and the attendances were terrible for the league and cups

MB, I just think we can't just always rely on finding gems.

Every big Club looks to make money somehow off the players they sign, whether it be winning the Champions League, matchday revenue, sell on values, Sponsorship & merchandise (although I don't know too much about this) etc.

As Jim as pointed out with a goalscorer or creative player would the attendance be higher? You will always get a crowd at Champions Leagues games, its the elite competition in football and most will want to see Messi, Kaka etc.

I just think Celtic need to find a better balance!

Fantastic post, absolutely 100% my thoughts exactly,

we are not going to end up like Rangers because we spend a bit of cash, fans want players not accountants, the board are using the rangers situation to their advantage and there are a lot of fans falling for it,

I don't want us to go out the game but I want to see good player on the park

Maestro08

Apart from the Hearts away game and maybe Fir Park, how many times this season have you enjoyed watching the way Celtic play?
I am worried at the lack of flair and creativity and apart from Commons and Izzy there are very few that can go past a player or out-skill them.
I am not including Forrest as he has missed far too many games - just like Mathews and Samaras is a waster.
We were playing the bottom club today and probably the worst Hearts team I can remember in 45 years and although we had all the possession - it was 1-0 until the 92nd minute.
We are dull and boring under NL IMO.

JJ

Spot on Mrs E! Always enjoy your posts as a touch of reason amidst the madness! Stuart Armstrong in midfield for me & Ross McCormack up front! As for the creative player, we need a new lubo but these guys are usually top dollar!

Agreed Maestro, the RFC situation is being used to scaremonger. If Celtic were on their backsides financially, I'd be the first to ask questions if we were squandering huge amounts of cash.

JJ, there is too much complacency in the squad which Neil Lennon has failed to deal with. I do think he has got the potential to develop more as a Manager but we have gone stale.

Rory I like Armstrong, I think he's an intelligent player that could handle European football but he also has that physique for Scottish football. He's a leader (as proved when captaining Scotland U21's) and mature player.

@2 What we can offer title's and europe, we need to get real here, player's are interested in money, the day's of playing for the jersey are over, a player's career is not that long, they are doing what the rest of us do go for the best money, just need to look across the city to see that
Tambhoy

Fantastic post Mrs E! As Ed has said several times, one or two finished articles on say £35-40k isn't going to lead to us going in to administration or liquidation, and it's definitely not going to lead to a dressing room rebellion. We need to drastically improve our playing staff + ambition or the club is going to downgrade to the level of other SPFL teams but raking it massive amounts of profit. I can honestly see Sevco winning the Premiership as soon as they come back up. Is it going to take until that point for the fans to demand more or ask for change? Yet again, TamBhoy making excuses on behalf of the board. Time for you to open your eyes mate, stop believing everything you read in The S*n + Daily Record or see on STV/BBC.

@10 HB Correct me if I'm wrong here, where in my post do iI back the board, read the post man, I am in effect saying the same as you, oop's did it again,
Tambhoy

21 Dec 2013 13:15:13
Dumb decision by SLY to show this game the last Saturday before Christmas at lunch time and the resulting small crowd is as flat as the team today.
It was never going to be a repeat of the 7-0 game - that horse has well and truly bolted - but the first half has brought back flashbacks of how bad we can be in front of goal without a quality striker.
What happened to the pacey and slick passing game that was so effective before?
"All we are sayin is give us a goal!" - or 2 Celts.

JJ

I would have went to game if missus hadn't trailed me Xmas shopping seen first half in boozer when I kidded on I was buying her present and that was enough pukki and stokes are rotten up front if it weren't for commons we would be struggling and Emilio was playing cracking crosses but no height in forwards to get on the end of them it was like the last game of season when you didn't win league

Ayrshire bhoy

Oh and pukki is rotten lol

Regardless of TV mate, it's time of year.

All over them. Their goalie did well. They had a single chance against us only. Even playing bad with off form strikers, we're walking spl.

There's absolutely no crisis or emergency at Celtic, we're firmly in control, but winter and summer windows we need to get rid dead wood using several strategies and bring in proven class.

21 Dec 2013 19:09:27
Grow a pair of balls Ayrshire Bhoy tell the mrs to do the shopping herself your away to game wae the Bhoys and your gony get sh*t faced for her cheek

To Ayrshire bhoy I think you are being too critical of pukki.not many strikers would have scored against that brickwall hearts set up today.Absolutely
no room in that penalty area today, we did well to score at all.For a team in desperate need of points, that was a shocking set up, as for stokes I will agree with you on that, Merry Christmas to all.jimbhoy.

Am with the lads just now getting smashed left her with kids had enough can I stay at yours tonite don't think I will get in somehow lol

Being too critical I think not he's rotten end of its not just today's game I have judged him he's been rotten fir many games he is not doing his job if I didn't do my job good for weeks I would be out on my behind it wasn't because Herts had a brick wall defence it's because our strikers are pish poor

Ayrshire bhoy

Brilliant Ayrshire Tim. Can you make it to springside, there's always a couch for good tims here lol. Nowt weird reqired as long as you don't mind my devil dugs humping your leg & you like kestrel. lol

21 Dec 2013 21:25:58
Never mind a couch in spring side al get the mrs tae budge over lol
Am with you so far on pukki makes the odd nice run but he looks dead slow on the ball everything he does takes an age .

Pukki reminds me of a poor man's magic zurowski a zurowski that's rarely scores it's like the days of Strachan play miller and zurowski up front but all they did was push out wide so there was no man in middle we need a old school centre forward bullies defenders drags them all over the place and is big powerful and strong in the air simple whoever scouted pukki has got to hold there hands up and say you could have brung in a young forward that could do a better job for no price a mean why us balde not getting a game instead of pukki am not saying he's great or anything but give the guy a fair crack at the whip pukki has had his chance we are playing in a league we are strolling so there is no pressure on players pukki is up there with regi blinker in my eyes a total disaster a complete waste of 2.5 million shalke must be pissing themselves with laughter I really do hope he comes good scores a barrow load but I really can't see it if he or stokes starts against st Johnstone come boxing day then the same crap will unfold again struggle to break down defences rely on commons again .
Also a little point about samaras and ledley if they do not want to stay then so be it stop playing them immediately test other players in there positions I would punt forrest as well in January I know he played well when he came on yesterday but that's just papering over the cracks as he's been terrible thus seas

Ruff Ayrshire bhoy