Celtic Banter Archive September 20 2015

 

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20 Sep 2015 20:14:06
Why the heck is Carlton Cole training with us? He has not played in months so will take ages to get match fit. Lazy, lazy scouting by Celtic and the whole scouting team, but are we surprised? NO

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20 Sep 2015 21:42:29
I think if Cole does sign for us he'll be a lot better than people think. Always a handful in England, and although not prolific he is a decent player. He's better than shifty for a start. He might not sign, but I'd be prepared to sign him for the season and see how he goes.

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21 Sep 2015 09:05:16
Think he'll be better at dealing with the long balls straight up to the atriker but there were free agents during the summer I would have rather us went for.

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21 Sep 2015 09:17:08
It's a bad day from our clubs perspective if Carlton Cole might not sign! Lol from a supporters view it's great but he's a big lazy donkey!

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21 Sep 2015 10:22:43
It is super lazy, and super poor scouting. I saw the picture of John Park walking out the side of the stadium with him, he had a big smile as if we were about to pull of some major deal. I honestly don't have a clue what's going on, as well as not bringing any top players through the youths, we are having to go and bring in D Utd's players. We have needed another top striker since Hooper left, he obviously didn't fancy Scepovic, after wanting him over Kramaric who ended up going to Leicester, was that Parks decision? I think at that point his Croatian club wanted £3.5 million, he obviously kept scoring and eventually moved for double that, but we got Scepovic for £2.2 million do it looks like the cheap option as usual, - just like Bangura, Pukki and Balde. It's pointless stokes being at the club, Ronny doesn't seem to rate him, he never does it in big games, I have heard he has a poor attitude, and he also has this court case hanging over him and the club, so why not just let him go to Bolton? Why do we never think ahead? If these 2 weren't in the plans why wait until 3 hours before the deadline to be scraping the barrel trying to get loan deals? There really is a few questions I'd love to put to Peter Lawwell, and John Park. If we do sign Cole he can't play in Europe either, well until the knockouts if we get through. It is beyond my comprehension why we didn't sign a top striker in preseason before the qualifiers. You are buying an asset who can potentially make you £20 million, plus you also have him for the future anyway. Worst case scenario he can play in the Europa league(if we don't make the Champions League) and help us qualify from that, - as it is we don't have either. And we needed 2 strikers so I mean as well as Cifti, who is totally untested at any decent level. Willie McStay came back last year as a scout, we also added John McGlynn, Tosh McInlay scouts for us I'm sure. We also have David Moss and Park who runs the dept. That's the ones I know, - maybe Peter Lawwell is paying for them all to live together in a caravan in Dundee!

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21 Sep 2015 10:23:52
Losing respect fast for 'scouting' system and signing policy at Celtic these days. Carlton Cole is no better than Amido Balde - who we shipped out and has a very poor touch, ball control and fitness level. This is ridiculous Celtic.

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21 Sep 2015 10:51:02
My apologies, how terrible of me - they obviously get a day trip to Manchester in the caravan, and their one trip abroad per year is of course to Croatia/Serbia. All the players in the Albanian League will being getting their hopes up for next season. We also have a mystery scout that seems to have been to every Benfica game in the last 3 years or whatever - what a gig that is, he must have a studio flat in Portugal and just live there all year round. He won't even have to properly watch the games because every time I've checked their team sheets I've never really saw a player that we would even come close to paying for. I even saw an article a few months ago from a local paper over there saying they thought we were scouting Gaitan - that was a belter. They obviously don't know Pistol Pete.

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21 Sep 2015 10:53:30
I agree Delphic. If Cole and Ciftci are as far as our arms stretch then somethings got to change. Lazy is thev word.

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21 Sep 2015 12:31:49
And by the way I wasn't specifically having a dig at Cole, who does have a decent pedigree, certainly compared to previous signings, he is also suited to playing the lone striker role and have experience, which we badly lack. I haven't seen enough though to comment on his fitness etc, how he was playing for West Ham before he left there. I was having a go at the planning, and how there is never any foresight. And we never ever learn. It is pure schoolboy stuff. We needed another striker for Europe, not Scotland!

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21 Sep 2015 21:49:20
Look how long it took Ciftci a regular in the prem to get off the mark and he wasn't exactly a last minute signing we need a striker in for pre season to settle in and for the team to get an understanding of how they like to play. We say every year "hopefully the board will learn their lesson" but they never do. Cole isn't the answer to our attack. But with figures being in the red can anyone expect a big money signing on a striker? With our price range who would people want singed up front?

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21 Sep 2015 23:10:26
Every club in the world would love to know who to sign that will definitely do a good job for us . Some players hit the ground running others like big John Hartson can go 6/7 games before they score .
Cliftci took a similar length of time , I thought he looked a wee bit livier yesterday and hopefully he will now go on a good run , he looks more confident .
It would be unusual to have a 31year old striker on a week's trial and I note Deila says it isn't a trial , I think it makes sense to have a wee look for a week before deciding .
We seem to not be able to make up our minds if we need more experience players or not .

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22 Sep 2015 01:06:44
Bravetart figures aren't in the red.

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22 Sep 2015 15:50:19
We have had the best result since Deila came to us against a Dundee team who were previously doing well and all we get is gloom and doom . If this banter had been up and running since 1967, we would have been moaning for days after the European Cup win that we had trailed a shite Inter team for too long and that Jim Craig should never play for Celtic again after giving a way the penalty .

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20 Sep 2015 20:09:52
watching the game today , thoughts on Rogic am I looking at the best player at CP.
This Bhoy is starting to run the show. Pace / energy/ passing / goals/ what is not to like .

Thoughts?

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20 Sep 2015 20:55:42
Agree the boys got talent and with a run of games he could become a regular! But watchn him last week against Aberdeen I feel he wants to much time on the ball and he was muscled off the ball a few times! But the talent is defo there.

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20 Sep 2015 20:57:07
Everything but pace . Really clever player mate I just don't think he's fast enough against better players to get away from them . Can't help but thinking he's the fans new paddy McCourt . Endless ability just not sure if the pace of a game will suit him . Tremendous against lesser players but when it comes to the better teams found wanting . He was poor last week against Aberdeen . I hope I'm wrong

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21 Sep 2015 10:27:57
He did have a quiet game at Pittodrie, but so did many others and I think he will gain in confidence and stamina, the more he plays. We have waited a long time to see his potential and he has looked good in a couple of games at Celtic Park; now he needs to produce it week in week out.

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21 Sep 2015 15:00:22
Agree he is fast becoming our best player why we are not looking at tying him down to a longer contract beggars belief he has just under 2 years left I am sure if he keeps on putting in this sort of performance we will lose him for next to nothing I know he has had his injury problems but hopefully that is all behind the bhoy

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{Ed007's Note - Rogic needs to earn a new deal over the course of a season not just a couple of games. It would be risky offering him a long term deal with his injury record, what if he signed a new contract then his fitness breaks down again and we've got another Boerrigter on our hands? Remember his broken back had fully healed and he passed a thorough and rigorous medical when we signed him.}

21 Sep 2015 18:38:20
I agree with you Ed to a certain extent but I don't think we should leave it until next Summer if he is still at that level that he is in now and still fit after Christmas I think then we should sit down with the bhoy and see if we can get a Deal done

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{Ed007's Note - I don't think there's ever been any doubts about Rogic's ability it's more to do with his long term fitness and thankfully Rogic is ineligible for the Australian Olympic team next summer in Brazil as he's too old by about three weeks.}

21 Sep 2015 22:13:15
tom rogic is slower than phil mickelson ……however his game intelligence is superb (something that is very difficult to coach)…

football intelligence is better than pace or strength or agility or stamina assuming you can find a reasonable level on all of the above noted traits

nakamura wasn't fast
moravik wasn't fast

and neither did us any harm….if he could release the ball a little quicker and pick up space in little pockets to get the space and time he needs, then he could be very effective

i like him but still a long way to go before he becomes a nailed on starter and a valuable asset

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21 Sep 2015 23:17:18
Rogic may play better when the always busy non stop Johannson isn't in the team .
Playing with Commons possibly gives him more space and time . However Johannson is a very good asset against the better teams .
I am always a believer that Celtic suffers more than most with the International break with players returning from all over the place . Rogic possibly suffers the most playing with Australia . I notice Deila said they spent a long time discussing how best to reduce the Int . problem .

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22 Sep 2015 22:27:36
Old bhoy we have the finances to ensure decent squad depth to offset international absences or tiredness caused by over exposure to internationals

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23 Sep 2015 19:05:10
Paradisewon It's not only our first eleven that is decimated , but also many of our younger players who are all over the place at under age Internationals .
We also all know that if Deila makes whole changes and the team doesn't win , he will bear the blunt of fans anger.
The only way Deila can win in some people's eyes is to win every game and every game well.
No matter how good a manager we have , and no matter what finances we have , we won't win every game .

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20 Sep 2015 19:14:15
Was looking forward to today's game, left at 1pm from Bathgate, got to airdrie turn off on motorway at 3.15!! So just turned back. Thanks traffic Scotland for doing roadworks today. Need to wait and watch the wonderful 3 minute highlights with stephen Thompson the javelin master tonight.

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21 Sep 2015 11:50:52
We left same area at 1.45pm. Stuck on the m8 from harthill to just past Eurocentral. We never got to the game until half time. This road is going to be like this for a while, so anyone got other routes they can suggest? Thanks

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21 Sep 2015 19:22:38
Just stick to the back roads all the way from Bathgate to Salzburgh then head through Holytown and bellshill and follow the road to viewpark the just head for the old glasgow zoo and your only 5 -10 mins from CP.

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20 Sep 2015 18:36:25
A great result and apparently great performance. About time. Keep it up and well done.

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20 Sep 2015 16:59:48
Thats a bit more like it well done bhoys great performance keep it up

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20 Sep 2015 17:48:32
Well done RD. After two poor results in Malmo and Aberdeen there were calls for your head. After a great result in Europe and a fine performance today by some peoples scope these two results must make you good enough.

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20 Sep 2015 18:21:53
jim tim,, away victories at abdeen and ajax came from the same mistakes we never seem to address, yes calling for rd to sacked so early in season is too much , but people have every right too question his decisions and the standards of football ,praise when due yes but surely the right to question when bad

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20 Sep 2015 18:57:52
People have every right to question RD if they think he is getting it wrong . It would be right and proper for the same people to give a little praise when it appears he is getting it right .

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20 Sep 2015 19:11:58
Somebody gave RD a tactic book,and he read it and changed it and it has worked for 2 games,2 different standard of teams,pity he is a bit slow on the uptake and did not do it sooner,as for the players,they could not have sank any lower so Hail,Hail,we go marching on

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20 Sep 2015 19:18:20
Who mentioned peoples rights?

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20 Sep 2015 20:34:26
RD has never had a fair crack of the whip

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20 Sep 2015 21:04:08
DN30, What do you mean by not giving RD a fair crack of the whip. Last season he failed in Europe but got good results against poor SPL teams, it appears he is doing the same thing this season.
I thoroughly enjoyed the match today, but it's not the sort of match you can make a judgement of the manager, all it tells us is that we are way ahead of the teams in this league, but we have to start doing better in Europe particularly the Champions league qualifiers.

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20 Sep 2015 21:33:08
Way ahead of everyone apart from Aberdeen Gerry.agree with u with the fair crack of the whip but! Dn30 how can u say he's not had a fair crack of the whip! There's no other manager in our history who's went out the CL 3 times in the space of a year! I think he's had more than a fair crack! Good result today and a good performance but let's not get carried away! Dundee were woeful today! The games we've really needed to step up and win we've been found wanting! Thursday and today are a step in right directon but let's see how it goes

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21 Sep 2015 02:31:04
IN RONNY WE TRUST

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21 Sep 2015 09:09:49
This knocked out of Europe three times in a year doesn't settle with me. He was barely in the door the first two. He at least deserves until next season as head coach. Even then I don't agree he should be sacked.

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21 Sep 2015 12:29:33
Ronny won't be sacked unless we don't win the league, and I have never said I wanted him sacked, but there are 3 questions that puzzle me.
1. What is it about him, that some people are so attracted by?
2 If we are so fortunate to have this world class coach, who is supposed to be years ahead of his time, then why are all the top English and European clubs not battering our door down trying to get him as their manager?
3. This board who most people seem to think are making a pigs ear of running the club, appointed Ronny. Can a board who have got so much wrong, have got this one decision so right?
I'm only judging him on what I have seen in his time here, and from what I've seen he is pretty average.
I would just like to know, why I should trust Ronny?

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21 Sep 2015 14:14:25
Gerryc its clearly evident why some people will never accept him. He is not Celtic minded. This small mindedness amongst some supporters is holding club back. They forget Wim Jansen wasnt Celtic minded and he stopped that mob getting 10 in a row

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21 Sep 2015 15:13:55
DN30, what is it about him that you feel make him a great manager?
Wim Jansen won the league in his one and only season here, he improved us in that time.
From what I've seen of Ronny he has taken us backwards in his time here, it's nothing to do with being Celtic minded.
I didn't think Tony Mowbray was very good either, and here was Celtic minded

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21 Sep 2015 23:32:44
We are living in strange times . The Govan team are plying their trade in what use to be known as the second division. The Scottish media and it appears referees are trying their best to make Warburton their new Messiah .
The same Scottish media ,especially English and Keevins are using their mouth pieces to ridicule and destroy. Deila . Warburton's press conferences are geared to have as much positivity for the Govan mob, while at every Celtic press conference they are out to get at Celtic in general and Deila in particular . Nothing could have prepared Deila for total biased displayed by media and also referees.

I know It has always been Celtic's fate to draw the short straw, but under Lennon and Deila the bias has been more pronounced .
I don't know if the media are following the small group of Celtic fans who seem to be over critical of our manager , or is it the fans who are following the media .
I think Deila is trying his best and is doing fairly well in difficult circumstances

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20 Sep 2015 15:26:01
Was the picture of carlton cole at parkhead real

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20 Sep 2015 17:40:35
Unfortunately it appears very real. 1step forward and aw that.

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20 Sep 2015 18:02:18
Flump me. what's the point? We wouldn't even get him in the EL squad would we? Not that it matters.

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20 Sep 2015 18:21:56
Think if he's fit he could do a job for us! Big strong boy who while isn't prolific can score goals! Think he could give us something different up front! Played at a good level to and has plenty experience.like I said but it all depends if he's fit enough! RD said he's training with us this week so we can check out how fit he is.

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20 Sep 2015 19:01:04
We don't know yet , whether it makes sense to sign big Cole . He will want plenty of money and I expect Deila will be expecting a good return if we sign him . It makes sense to have a wee look .

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20 Sep 2015 19:29:13
Would be better with a coalman with a few sacks.

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20 Sep 2015 19:30:55
Wasnt balde also a big strong boy who wasnt prolific thereafter punted?given our recent experiences of bartering against championship sides i'm guessing there minimal interest to compete against.

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20 Sep 2015 21:03:45
Yeh but balde wasn't a player who's played regularly in the EPL and in the England national team! Yeh he's not exactly top drawer and has been without a club,but I think u can be sure he's better than ciftci! Who is utter mince! Goal today or not! I think the guy could do a job for us if he proves his fitness.cant hurt to have a closer look at the guy!

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20 Sep 2015 21:46:33
Dh88 I apologise, I hadn't read this post and have just said almost the exact thing as you in a post above. At least you know I agree with you!

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20 Sep 2015 22:45:58
Lol no probs NT87! Glad u agree! Just think the guy could do a job for us.and like we've both said,he's better than ciftci will ever be! He's not the first name that I would have mentioned if I was pickin a striker but he could defo a job in the SPL! Let's see how it goes with regards to his fitness and if he fancies it up here!

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20 Sep 2015 15:05:48
RD should not even be allowed to get close to flirting with a domestic league loss to Aberdeen. His comment about " sack me " if I don't win the league is ridiculous. If it's a real contest going on to the January window the best bit of business Celtic could do is get shot.

My opinion of RD has altered somewhat and we are all entitled to our opinions. Doesn't make us any less Celtic fan.

Reasons why he should go

Throw away comments earlier in the season about defensive frailty being irrelevant. We were scoring more than the opposition at that time but the signs were there for all to see. Oir fragility remains unresolved.

Over playing out of form players

Continual involvement of ambrose at right back and deployment of mulgrew combined with lack of playing time for commons even as an impact sub

At Aberdeen we had two subs lined up and then Hayes was ordered off. The two subs didn't change. How can that be? We ended up with a back four containing Blackett mulgrew boyata and ambrose. No width. No pace. Dreadful

At two nil against Malmo nothing changed. We couldn't protect what we had and didn't even attempt to. Shows horrible naivety.

The new improved pacier fitter Celtic have been humbled by Malmo Maribor legia dinamo Zagreb and such like. There has been no progress and yet we will persevere

He laughed off our defensive frailties recalling how few goals we had conceded last yearn despite our defence missing a key departed player. It smacked off complacency

This season Celtic have yet to play a complete 90 minutes. We've had 30 minutes here and there but no complete match. When we drift RD cannot and does not evidently know how to get that level of intensity back. That is a big worry

The other 2 big issues for me are pretty basic. Our players seem to repeat and repeat and repeat the same mistakes. Poor passing. Hospital passing. And more annoyingly our high tempo pressing game has all but disappeared. What happened?

If we play one up top today we can basically be assured that RD has no plan B. This season may require one and RD has shown little appetite to even develop one. Either that's complacency stupidity or total incompetence

I love my club but our young inexperienced and obstinant management team are currently below the standard. It is difficult to expect great things from a management team that have achieved so little of note

They didn't appoint themselves but that's another story

Scott Brown comment on Mowbray and his continual inability to tackle properly and lead with discipline and class is another major problem. He is the benchmark. He is the captain. He sets the standard. I'd love to discuss our expectations with Scott over a pint and a kebab. Maybe later on eh el capitano?

Aberdeen 3-0 up. Hmmmmm. Celtic jerseys don't shrink to ft inferior players. Neither does the management tracksuit Ronny. Remember that!

Hail hail

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20 Sep 2015 17:05:19
Some great points PW, your POTY is not under threat yet lol.
I have been 1 of RDs harshest critics as I believe he is not good enough. But even I would not punt him yet.
I love his ideals and positivity about fooball but these don't win you games.
I just not the type who calls for the head of managers after a few bad results. You only have to look at some clubs to see this. A perfect example would be Hibs. They had big Yogi playing some great football bringing on the youth etc and after a few bad results punted him. Look where they are now.
I always say be careful what you wish for and even I will give him to Jan to see where we are. BUT a bad Euro League campaign and still behind Aberdeen let's say by 5-8 points still would be time to go.

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20 Sep 2015 18:01:17
His tracksuit fits just fine at the moment.

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20 Sep 2015 18:45:06
We had a result against Ajax and a result against Dundee. So now some of the fans who were calling for RD's head are backing off! I for one don't buy into him. Some posters saying they love the philosophy. It's not philosophy its wishful thinking and he is not going to improve this team. We will probably win the league. I think that's about it for the season but we shall see. Good result today but you have to look beyond the wins and the losses. Is there anything being built? Are players developing? Are we playing better football? For me no on all counts.

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20 Sep 2015 19:09:49
Paradisewon , is your judgement not up for judgement with your pre match comment , about how poor the selection for today's match was .
That was a decent enough comment but many of the players played well today and they played well for each other .
I know none of us can get it right all the time . We were poor after the Int. break in Aberdeen and I think many over reacted and Deila was right to try to end it .
If Aberdeen continue to win every game it will be hard for Celtic to dominate the league by Christmas . That's not realistic target for Deila .
If we want to hold him to that , we should sack him now .
I think that wouldn't help the Celtic club one iota . We are trying something new, and we need to give reasonable time IMO

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20 Sep 2015 21:04:26
old bhoy I was AS DELIGHTED with 6 goals today as any other fan would naturally be…I still have little reason to rate RD…he needs to win some BIG MATCHES and then my attitude may change

I fear I was not alone Old Bhoy when the CB pairing was named pre match …they played well…fair enough…but I have a different expectation from a CB pairing and it Ambrose and Boyata ain't anywhere close

i am a performance guy. results follow…performance tells the complete story

i won't get carried away by 6-0, my prognosis on RD (I think) is robust and defendable

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21 Sep 2015 19:29:32
I think big Cole could do a job for us but only if we play 2 up front. But I liked the formation he had against ajax it looked like a 4-3-3.

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21 Sep 2015 23:39:15
Paradisewon Of course, I would expect you to think that your prognosis is robust
and defendable . Everyone is untitled to their opinion , I think you are not correct .

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20 Sep 2015 14:43:51
As I write this Aberdeen have just taken the lead and although Hearts may well come back into it? - recent form and momentum, would suggest an Aberdeen win.
The challenge we have lacked since 2012 seems to have fully manifested itself in red and white (sheepskin) ha ha.

It's likely Aberdeen, may hit a slump and have injury and suspensions like the rest of us, but we have the more experienced and capable squad for domestic challenges, as we have proved in the title, but have yet to reach our best form and we certainly have to sort out our very frail defence starting today I hope!

The players have to cut out the individual errors and lapses and show they are up for a fight.
The support expect a lot better and so should the manager.

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20 Sep 2015 15:09:42
Jungle jim

You do Aberdeen a great disservice. They are playing a line up to the one that ran riot in Croatia against rajika. Counter attacking. Deep lying and fast breaking. It has delivered two of their three goals

Aberdeen dropped Rooney today ( he has scored in his last five matches) but Macinnes had a plan today and he is executing a different plan for a different opponent beautifully

Has RD ever ever ever ever done that?

Aberdeen are for real and McCann is loving it

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20 Sep 2015 17:39:30
Don't think I did Paradise, I predicted they would win and that they are our title challengers - and worthy ones too.
It's still only September and they will hit a slump and may lose players for the reasons I mentioned.
The media have went OTT about Aberdeen, especially with the recent problems we have had, but I won't write us off this early in the season - unless we have a major collapse before Halloween, when we play Aberdeen at Celtic Park in part 2.
After that, we will have a clearer picture of our season.

We have the bigger, more experienced squad and have yet to hit our best form - although 6-0 today is a good start.
I am only too well aware of RD's (and his back-room staff) limitations, and we all have concerns about his tactics, substitutions and throw-away-comments, but there was some improvement from the players in the Ajax game (to a point) and today we have a six goal victory and clean sheet, so maybe the players have finally got the message?
The next few fixtures in all competitions will tell.

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20 Sep 2015 19:26:11
JungleJim it is rare that any team can go through a season without a dip in form , that can come at any time but winning teams react well. The special one and Chelsea have blotted their copy book big time domestically already this season . However I don't think they will be far away at the end of the EPL season .
Successful managers often look helpless both on the sidelines and in post match interviews but it is what they do between matches is what gets the team on track .
The chosen one can appear to be a real nutter during and after the match , however we cannot question his ability to win major prizes .
Encourage Deila and the players and we will get there .

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20 Sep 2015 00:23:20
I said last season about how Ritchie of Bournemouth would be a great signing creates and scores. Anyone see his goal today? He reminds me a bit like Commons when we first signed him probably out of our price range now he's in the prem

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