Celtic Banter Archive August 20 2013

 

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20 Aug 2013 23:04:17
Gents do not sweat, absolutely sure it will be a canter at parkhead, this outfit are what they were rated [bottom of all teams still in], and next leg will show it.

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I have gathered my monocle and swagger stick and informed the staff that there shall be a Ball in 8 days time, We were to go to the hunt but no the rally for us gents has been called come on you gentry in green. I shall be there butler an all.Lord mark

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20 Aug 2013 23:03:38
Martybhoy do you know what, if we did push boat right out and went for pirlo. wot a difference that would make to our midfield then finnie in we could match anyone, . 4_ 0 next week, hail, hail ticbhoy

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20 Aug 2013 22:42:49
i think all celtic fans should demand through the celtic supporters trust that peter lawell should come out and meet a select group of respected fans and supporters group leaders in a q & a session to explain the abismal lack of effort in aquiring the quality in certain areas that we deserve. enough of the bullsh*t that we been hearing all summer that we are trying very hard on transfer targets. come out now and tell us what was offered for who and what the selling clubs asked for. I bet we were miles apart and left it at that when told. we are going to scrape the bottom of the barrell for cheap options that other clubs are wanting off wage bill or surplus to requirements elsewhere. for what we pay every year without a whimper we deserve better and truth from the powers that be face to face. no more hiding behind the masks and giving statements via spokepersons. they have a case to answer here and now. I am fuming and feel we deserve better. kris commons as a senior player is even crying out for quality reinforcements so if the playing staff are publicly stating they need help, every fan can see it then if the board can't see it then they don't have the club at heart if they ain't making sure we progress.

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Peter Lawells job as far as I know at Parkhead is to balance the books. He gives the manager a budget of spend and wages. 5mil spent already and bids in for more. Its not Lawell doing the scouting.mark

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It is lawells doing as he doesn't sanction paying enough. He heres a fee then offers half of that and the last time I looked the books were more than balanced. It is no secret we made major profit last year. If u think 5 million is enough to go forward then u are dillusional. If we want champions league every year we need to be spending at least double that which would only be a quarter of what we brought in last year. We also have mccourt and rogne wage which would cover balde and moyyakoulos . Hooper and wanyama would more than cover derks so we paying put less wages, we made a fortune and spent feck all barely

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20 Aug 2013 21:43:20
Totally unacceptable performance tonight if we don't pull this back next week Both N.L and P.L Should hang there heads in shame everybody knew Wanyama and Hooper were leaving the club and not to have replacements in place is shocking we should have had bids in for these players in June or July now we have a threadbare squad
Not looking good Bhoys
Simmo

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20 Aug 2013 21:28:20
To all those guys who were crying out for new signings for this round who I told to chill and that we would be fine for this round and that all we really needed for this season coming including the cl group stages was 1 striker. I apologise. It would seem I was a little over confident, and for anyone who is just to nice to say it I will say it for you, You told me so.I also predicted 4 nil tonight to Celtic so i'm on a bit of a roll as far as being sh1t at knowing what i'm talking about as far as Celtic are concerned. a sad. mark

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20 Aug 2013 21:23:04
First time poster here, soz guys, missed the game tonite but it was clear to hear on the radio that forrest should have been hooked after 20mins, balde on and sammy pushed out left, never start 2 rookies in middle of defence in game like this, as for big lurch in goal say no more, brill reflexes and that's ure lot, when I played in goal I was told to grab the ball and smother it into your chest, he can't punch a ball, this was evident when he came on against liverpool and again tonite,

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20 Aug 2013 21:17:13
tonights scoreline still has not sunk in, not impressed with moyokolo (spelling) had a really bad night, without a good striker how did we expect to win through to the group stages, karaganday beat bate borisov in the last round who had a really good champions league last year. We will be lucky to make it through now, hopefully stokes is fit for return leg next week, as he is our only forward capable of taking his chances. maybe i'm being a bit harsh, we should have scored a few of the chances created, trying to keep the faith!

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Will disagree with you regarding Moyokolo, thought he had a good game
Tambhoy

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20 Aug 2013 21:15:19
Posted earlier about la lack of spending! Green Jedhi tore a strip of me! Very disappointed by result tonight but don't think we were that bad! What it showed is we need an EXPERIENCED centre half and striker! Sammy is a left winger not a centre forward! Lack of trust in centre halves seemed to make team play very deep when they had no pace to worry us! Hope park head will be a cauldron and drag us through! Then PL will open the purse strings and give the team the boost it needs! PS my name is Tony and have been a season ticket holder since the dark days of Rangers 9 in a row, and stuck by the team then an will happily criticise but will not desert!

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20 Aug 2013 21:13:36
Ok hands up this is not a rumour however I have to get this off my chest and the wife has heard enough for one day!

I personally thought the teams performance today sold the supporters short by a million miles. We were made to look less than ordinary by a team who will be thoroughly embarrassed should they progress to the group stages. In my opinion Shaktar are no better than a Scottish mid-table premier club.

Did we have the greater possession? Yes by some distance. However this was only due to the opposition sitting ten players behind the ball and allowing us to play in front of them.

Our keeper has regressed into errors he initially was prone to in the past. He failed to command his area choosing to attempt weak punches instead of utilising his massive frame and clutching the ball. He talks of wanting to cement a place in the England squad. Perhaps he should concentrate on regaining his form of last season.

Our fragile centre back pairing were giving a chasing by a player who looked nothing more than an honest journey man. This untried centre back pairing for a massive club like ours for a vital european tie consisted of a young Dutch player with fifteen minutes of playing time under his belt after injury and a player who has been released by teams playing in the bottom reaches of the English leagues. Who do we apportion blame to for this. The manager or the board or both? Celtic have known for some time that Kelvin Wilson wanted to leave for personal reasons. They have had ample time and financial resources to have identified and recruited a left sided centre back who is capable of playing at European level.

In midfield, Commons aside we looked completely devoid of guile, craft or invention. Commons to has his limitations, he never will be a Lubo however he does try and play between the lines and is currently the only player in a workman like midfield who possesses the ability to hit the target from distance. Too many sideways and back passes from Ledley and Brown. Forrest looks like a young player suffering from a confidence crisis looking for more experienced team mates to help him through a game. He is too young and immature at present to make a real contribution at European level.

I feel heart sorry for every celtic supporter tonight for I feel we have been sold short by the decision makers. I don't advocate financial ruin. I do however feel the supporters should not be taken for granted which is how I feel tonight.

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Good post. Fair. Gerbhoy

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20 Aug 2013 21:10:39
Fellow posters and ed. What is your honest opinion of James Forrest? I just don't get what people see in him. Runs like a ballerina. Wants to go down at the slightest touch. Always wants to cut inside. Positional sense is lacking and there is very rarely an end product. I thought Borreigter looked like the real deal, very intelligent and knew exactly how to play as a winger, albeit for 20 mins against Ross County. Hopefully Forrest can learn a thing or two from him. I know Forrest is still young. Do you think he is feeling the pressure of being a first team player? My personal opinion is that he is a good young player with potential but would be more effective coming on as a sub rather than a starter.
cw-88 {Ed007's Note - He hasn't kicked on in the slightest since he came into the first-team picture. This is a huge season for him, he can either work hard to be a success or he is just another Burchill or McGeady and we should sell him for as much as we can get from a Championship team down south. He's 22 now, there is no excuses for putting in performances like some of his recent ones. He should be going looking for the ball, beating men and putting quality crosses in, or be pulling defenders all over the place with runs when he doesn't have the ball creating space for others to run into, he doesn't seem to do either.}

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He's a total waste of space and I can't remember him ever having a good game! He goes down at any given chance and when he loses the ball, which is quite often, he runs about arms outstretched shouting at ref for a free kick. Maybe a stretch on the sidelines will give him the boot up the arse he needs.

Briggs

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Would not have him in the team, offered nothing again tonight, has been poor for months yet still gets a place, cannot buy into this myth that some folk think he's good

Ska bhoy

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100% agree. I think we would get more out of Gary Mackay Stevens. The worst thing for me with Forrest is when Lustig advances forward and he(Forrest) moves back to meet him always wanting Lustig to overlap so he can cut inside to shoot or square it across the 18 yard line, drives me crazy. With his pace he should hog the touchline and stretch the game taking defenders with him. Ideal signings for me would be GMS for creativity in midfield. Neil Taylor from Swansea to challenge for LB position, thought he looked a real player before his injury last year. Vossen or Finboganson to bang in the goals. Does anyone know if we can register a player for the 2nd leg or was last night's deadline for the whole tie?
cw-88 {Ed007's Note - Last night's deadline was for both legs.}

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20 Aug 2013 21:08:56
That performance tonight was gutless I hope every player is ashamed of themselves

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20 Aug 2013 20:58:22
Not a Celtic fan, but a fan of the east team that also play in green.
Just to make a comment on what I saw tonight that if Celtic can't beat that lot in the return leg with relative ease and something to spare I'll be very surprised.

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20 Aug 2013 20:44:33
although I doubt anyone will sign before next wednesday what would you like the team to be?

forster

matthews ambrose van dijk mulgrew

brown

ledley commons samaras

stokes balde


also instead of stokes I think give boerrigter a chance. what do you guys think?

kieran bhoy {Ed007's Note - Nobody we sign would be eligible to play.}

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Commons? Was like watching a kid with a hot tattie last night, 90% of the time the ball played to him bounced off him, no control,

Has lost his spark in that forward position, cannot play there

Ska Bhoy

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Would play Watt instead of Stokes need a bit of pace up front.Would play Moyokolo instead of Ambrose
Tambhoy

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20 Aug 2013 20:35:47
watched that shambles today in Czech rep its even on the main sports channels over here how fu+++++ embarrassing is that.
ps watching viktoria Plzen-Maribor thank god we didn't draw either especially Plzen, good playmaker davida knows how to split a defence with a pass.
dhman

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20 Aug 2013 20:07:13
Ed, quick question- why is Kazakhstan in CL? It's an Asian country after all. The game tonight is played in a city closer to Beijing than Rome!
On to the game, all the chances we had in first 10 mins should have killed game off. Plenty of others that on another day wld also have gone in.
They seem one dimensional and goals conceded due to poor defending. Izzy again for first one and the 2 CHs looked shaky all night.
That said, back in Glasgow I expect us to go through.
Just hope next wk the board aren't questioning the summer transfer policy
Stevo Dundee {Ed007's Note - Kazakhstan is an ex-Soviet Union territory therefore it is covered by UEFA. Plus at least part of their territory is in Europe.}

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20 Aug 2013 19:09:16
Ed I still expect Celtic to go through next week however in the event that they go out I feel Peter Lawell has no option but to resign! He has dramatically let the fans and the team down! He has sold the spine of the team and not replaced them! I don't buy all this he has been working very hard to get players in! It's not hard enough because none of these huts have been replaced! All it would have taken would have been 2 or 3 quality signings to see off that bang average Karagandy side! But once again he has failed to deliver! Secondly when are we going to get it right when signing a centre half, Loovens, Mastorovic, Ambrose, and I know it's early days but Van Djik doesn't look like the answer! Maybe when he finds second gear that might change!

Ice man

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Lawell should resign, get a grip of yourself, HE is the best signing Celtic have ever made, don't blame him blame the like's of Forrest and big Sammi never tried a leg.
Tambhoy

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20 Aug 2013 20:34:05
Well, not as bad as bratislava but still awful.

Kick yourself in the nuts, mr lawell.

King Erse

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20 Aug 2013 20:32:40
As much as it pains me to say this, I seen this performance and result coming.The warning signs were there for all to see against Elfsborg and clearly showed we lacked creativity and an out and out striker like Finboagson.Massive under performance tonight, not many if any with pass marks. Feel the board has taken a massive risk due to opponents with spine of team sold for big money. Have a horrible feeling this was the plan all along hence the reduced season tickets. I still believe for next week and have my ticket but Sammy has got to play wide left and Mulgrew at centre half.Need the same commitment from our board with Finboagson and commanding centre half signed but is it all too late Mr Lawwell

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I agree Paulo and fear its been a gamble too far.

Regardless of optimism, we should not be going into next week 2-0 down but the cold hard fact is we are ~ Mrs E

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You mention mulgrew who was ball watching at their first goal and barely passed muster. In face he was invisible. Sammy was playing wide left although I suspect he was meant to be CF. I'm sorry but Lennon got this wrong should have changed it earlier and didn't. Brought balde on with 9 minutes to go. Neil thought he had the managerial tools following last year but we scraped through with a lot of good fortune last year and he will be found out this year. The last game was utterly rubbish in sweeden this one had no product it was clear that they couldn't defend their 6 year box but we didn't exploit it. Manager must take a lot of the blame tonight. Selection was predictable and wrong

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Can we give it a break with the Finboagson stuff? All of a sudden every Celtic supporter in the world has become a talent scout and this boy is the must have player of the summer. Am I right to think real Madrid are chasing him? Man utd? Spurs even? No, but we have already put this guy on a pedestal he will struggle to live up to if we do eventually sign him. Let's see which poacher/ penalty box striker we sign and take it from there, the scouting system haven't done too bad recently so fingers crossed they unearth the next gem.

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I mention Mulgrew due to knowing his capabilities, he is not a midfielder nor a left mid.Sammy was our lone striker and kept going left, his natural position.Like you I have my preferred list of transfer targets, Alfies scoring record speaks for itself that's the type of player we should aspire to, would you be happy with Doyle or some rubbish loan signing i.e. Miku or Lassad, I think not.Year after year I buy my season ticket and strips, how about our board repaying the fans with a decent signing given our income and spine of team sold

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20 Aug 2013 20:16:10
we are probably now 2nd favs to go through, I believe with wilson, wanyama and hooper in the side tonight we would not have lost that game. in hindsight lenny should have hung onto big wilson for these two games. basically the board have sold our champions league tickets guys once again just ain't digging deep enough mr lawell and now its to late. big danny.

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20 Aug 2013 20:02:46
I found it very strange, on a plastic pitch, in another continent, our biggest gamer of the season, that Lennon played a CB pairing that have never played together before. Surely Matthews, Mulgrew, Lustig and Izzy should have been back 4.
I feared another Bratislava before the game and we only lost 2.
I still think they will freeze at Parkhead but Lennon has to take a lot of the blame tonight.

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20 Aug 2013 19:39:38
Utter crap. col

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20 Aug 2013 19:31:36
neil lennons quote "I don't know how many chances we had - clear-cut ones as well - if you don't take your chances you make life difficult for yourself." This is feckin laughable, u didn't have a striker on the park and u have known for long enough u needed someone that can poke the ball over the line but you have done nothing about it. if you are relying on james forrest scoring you are playing a dangerous game as the wee man cudnt finish his dinner. no-one to blame but yourself and the board neil

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Totally agree. How can you lament missing chances when you don't play any of your strikers? It's not as if we create too much as it is. Forrest was his usual self. flatters to deceive every time. We had tons of possession. Trouble was that it was all side to side and we had no one with any guile to create. So disappointed with the lack of ooomph and to be honest I'm worried that we can't break them down next week. They were crap and there for the taking! Joeybhoy

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If we couldn't break them down tonight we won't break a 5:5:0 next week and they will park a bus in front of good measure. let's just hope the bus isn't moved from in front of their goal to in front of ours. If that 5 mil is still on the table from benfica let's ship foster there as he's the only 6ft 7 goalie I know who shrinks when the ball comes near him.

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20 Aug 2013 19:31:29
Why did Lennon think it would be good to put Van Dijk & Mouokolo in central defence when they've never even played in the spl together. Strange decision for me. I never seen much of the game due to work but I hear we were pi$$ poor. I'm sure the first thing neil lennon will say to Peter Lawell when he see's him is "I told you so" we've been saying for weeks the squad lacks quality since Hooper & Wanyama left. big Wilson to an extent. I was absolutely gutted when I seen that second goal going in. I don't think this is over we are still in with a shout of going through. If anything might not be a bad thing as its clear this group needs quality players throughout. Ian L

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I'll tell you how Ian, he trusted them to defend against a team we are better than in every way. I do not mean any disrespect to Shakhtar Karagandy.

You can say what you want about Alex Ferguson and why he has always stuck with players that fans are not keen on or would call 'average' - Wellbeck etc but he trusted every player he put on the park and every player in a Manchester United shirt knew that.

This defence were not asked to mark Messi or Falcao or even a Johnny Russell, they were trusted with marking a team ranked no better than a Scottish first division team and instead of respecting that trust, they let the Manager down with rookie defending.

Mrs E

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20 Aug 2013 19:29:08
Embarrassing show tonight. Lack of creativity and movement in the team is a major worry. The need for a striker was there for all to see tonight and I for one feel let down with what the club have done in there attempts to bring one in. The club have known from Jan that Hooper was leaving and going into the biggest series of games the club face all season we go into them with a depleted squad lacking the quality need to get through. As for tonight the only player to get pass marks was Commons. Lustig and Samaras where a waste of a jersey again. Clarke Carlisle was spot on about Samaras "lethargic". The guy can't just decide when he wants to play. Just had to look at the guy at the other end of the park to see what he sould be doing, making sure he's putting himself about not standing with your hands on hips puffing like a little school boy. Hope I'm wrong but don't think we will do it next week because they will set up the same way and I don't think we'll be able to break them down.

Daz the Hoopy

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20 Aug 2013 19:12:01
After watching, It's crystal clear that by selling the spine of the team we are mediocre at best. Defence again looks abysmal. Midfield was crap & its all good spraying passes about, yet when get too or just outside the penalty area it all breaks down. A commanding centre half, a Play maker & a penalty box predator are badly needed& 1or2 should have been brought in before tonights game. Don't get me wrong I am confident celtic will turn it around at celtic park & hopefully score 3or4 against Sk. Got to take the good with the bad, let's hope that's the bad out the way. No doubt the media will be grinning with glea & have a story about how bad we where, taking the headline of sevcos head on collision into admin. steff

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20 Aug 2013 19:09:43
shocking performance all round. why would lenny choose to play a defence that haven't even played as a back four yet, in a CL qualifier? mouyokolo was way out of his depth - just not good enough for celtic, lustig can't play two games on the trot, van dijk looks well rusty and izzy lacks the positional discipline to play european football (although, to be fair, I think lenny told him to bomb on at every available opportunity). our midfield was so disjointed and there was absolutely no fluidity to our play - no link between middle and front. i'm usually lennys biggest fan, but tonight I thought he got it wrong big style. why wasn't matthews on sooner? why didn't stokes play? why didn't we play two up front until the last 10 minutes? why wasn't mouyokolo subbed and ambrose (yeah, even ambrose looks solid compared to him!) brought on? let's get one thing straight - this karagandy team are gash and I still expect us to qualfy, but c'mon bhoys, this just ain't good enough. flying out in a chartered luxury aircraft, lapping it up in 5star accomodation, all the talk about a five and a half hour flight? it drives me insane! I think a hefty kick up the erse is coming for a few of them. and a well deserved one at that. also think the players should refund all the fans who made the effort to travel and support the team; they deserve their money back after that shambles.

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Playing mulgrew and Forrest as midfielders isnt good enough, both did nothing tonight, kayal plays brilliant on sat and dropped, Forrest on for 20 mins sat yet picked!, commons and sammy cannot play as strike force, it isn't working, balde is way too raw, hoping boerrictor fit for next week, can't see where goals are going to co e from, they, ll defend for their lives

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20 Aug 2013 19:04:24
Seriously though - all joking aside - do you think the most ancient lodge of sevco might consider turning it's attention away from goats now? pea

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20 Aug 2013 18:57:44
Sack the board,, still crooked to the bone.
Its a really bad day(not just today)when our most creative player that we rely on is Kris Commons(not celtic class) I've tried liking commons also heard he's a "nice guy" but just can't take to him. I now believe our team has gone stale. Again team looked more like 4 6 0 formation. We are being pissed own by the men at the helm, £100 off season tickets, so what its about time, £100 off as no decent players being bought and they knew that. Always penny pinching always, even our last 2 great players cost under a £1M for both(henke, lubo). Its too late for us this season as my household has bought and paid for our season tickets, we shall not use them, next season celtic won't get one thin dime from me or any other member of my family and the forseeable future or until our own fans stop being shat on by the board, ., .kbarry

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Cool down kbarry and post again tomorrow, you are making no sence, good or established players won't come to Scotland so we have to go for young unproven ones and hope we bring them on

Poor performance tonight no doubt but we will come good

If you insist on reckless spending there is an new club you can go and support

Dannybhoy

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Agree with the board penny pinching that's historical in Celtics history, however your bang out of order to single out Kris Commons. It's a team game, win as a team loose as a team. Peter Lawell we told you so! Ian L

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Dannybhoy, Reckless spending? Are you having a laugh? If the board have the ambition of the fans they should be trying to strengthen the team instead of selling our prize assets at the drop of a hat . Success on the field brings rewards but we the fans are being short changed. Wonder how long Neil will put up with this biscuit tin mentality. JK

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Win as a team lose as a team someone should have told commons that when he blamed am rose for celtics defeat to juventus

Hoopybhoy

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Completely agree with this post. There has been constant under investment in the team and now it has cost us champions league football, for this season, and if it continues, for seasons to come. We have been utterly short changed and sold on false promises, now we will be playing euro league football as a result. let's keep spending money though, like the gullible sheep that we are, to watch a below average team fail to meet expectation year after year. Same old biscuit tin thinking for far too long.

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Dannybhoy listen pal I've been attending celtic park for 33 years and won't attend any other ground that celtic aren't playing in. What part of my post don't you understand? You say I make no sence(sense)" where? Henrik, lubo, board shafting us or my household not using our tickets? Not once did I mention wreckless spending. But for the cash us fans generate along with player sale CL monies etc we deserve better, ., .kbarry

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Ian sorry for singling out commons but I just don't rate him. Yeah he cracked the bar again! But considering the amount of long shots he has(mostly wasteful)hes bound to score a cracker now and again,, whole team were rubbish today, ., .kbarry

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20 Aug 2013 18:44:53
Very disappointing performance and result, and it's easy with hindsight to say this and that but surely a few things are blatantly obvious. Forster can't kick a ball and is half the keeper he was at the start of last season. Mulgrew should never get a starting position purely because he can take free kicks. Sammy can't really play the lone striker role and hold his position- he always drops deep and removes the option of an out ball or flicks the ball onto the main striker who is. yes himself. James forest must stop the whole throw your hands in the air when you loss the ball crap and make an effort to track back. Why play two centre back together for the first time in a champions league qualifier. Why convince Lustig that the team he is about to play against are big tough boys to the extent that he completely craps himself. Why send Gary parker to scout a team we are about to play against in the biggest match of the season when he clearly looks half pissed most of the time- with a match that important and against an unknown team go yourself Lenny. How do you expect to break down a 4 man midfield and 5 man defence without a midfield playmaker or by playing slow slow cross field passes all night, the few times we actually looked dangerous we did things at pace using one touch passing.

Very poor Mr Lennon

Jd

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JD Out of order regarding Gary Parker, you should be ashamed of yourself
Tambhoy

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20 Aug 2013 18:35:03
Just been on celtic fc official website, match report, astonishingly!
Website Man of the Match: Emilio Izaguirre!!

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20 Aug 2013 19:51:46
Just read that myself un feckin believable. Stevie

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That is truly un-believable! He was absolute rank tonight but saying that, they all were. Very mediocre team we played. Frustrating to play against a team like that and they were really not that good either. I hope we can turn it around next week but to be honest I can't see where the goals are going to come from.
Still, onwards and upwards eh?

BigRab

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20 Aug 2013 18:39:08
This is an average team playing over 100 miles from their home ground and they are putting us out the Champions League FFS!
Lennon - totally out-thought by a wily old manager who knows his teams limits but plays to their strengths - which we couldn't handle.
Celtic have sold our best assets, assuming we would glide through these qualifiers without a quality striker and play-maker - Wack - kick in the stones.
I could go through the team starting with Fekin Farcical Forster, but you all saw that shambles.
One thing that reaaly bugs me is when Forrest and/or Samaras are ineffective after 30 minutes - its pretty obvious they will not improve -so hook them!
We had most of the possession but they were happy to defend in numbers - realising we never had the speed, trickery or killer pass to expose them and threaten and easily dealt with hopeful hi-balls.
The first 11 minutes looked promising and a goal then, might have been a different story? But then.
I do not believe Lennon waited so long to bring on a striker or two with Samaras, Forrest and Mulgrew being so poor, but we look in dire straights now.
Celtic Park - capacity crowd? Mibbes aye mibbes naw
Shakhtyor will play the exact same way that won them this leg, so we need to show more speed, craft and guile - but with the same team give or take?
Like all of you, I am angry, frustrated and pig-sick at present and see a large Glenfiddich with my monica.

Jungle Jim

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20 Aug 2013 18:36:57
Too many players missing and action, forrest sammy and izzy terrible, centre defence that my gran could walk through (with her zimmer), no spine, no heart, no strikers and no class. All they need to do is sit 10 behind the ball at peak head and we will be clueless how to get through them. The only blessing is that they really are reeking (what does that say for us) and an early goal goal will put the sh1ts up them.

If they removed my spine and never replaced it, I would flop about like a half deed fish. Sound similar.

Good chance the champions league is over for this season. Football is like life, if you don't invest in it then you get nothing out of it.

You might have noticed that I am really annoyed, but hey ho, not to worry, I'm only a paying fan.

Paul

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20 Aug 2013 18:36:31
It is very hard to post without a knee jerk reaction but I have said before on here Izzy cannot defend and Forrest cannot cross a ball and lacks bottle (sorry Mrs E, I know you like him) but tonight just showed us all how poor he is. I just hope Boerigter can get fit asap.
As for Sammy, we all know he is a moody sod, and he has said before he hates playing on plastic pitches, so he never was interested tonight.
We all know the board (especially Lawwell) must shoulder some of the blame also.
I and I know ALL Celtic supporters will back team to the hilt next Wednesday and hope we can overcome this deficit.
The sad thing is this team are no great shakes, it is just we cannot defend cross balls.
If we go out of CL then fans have a legitimate right to criticise Lawwell for not bringing in players. Timalloy

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Not me I will not invest another penny in this club until the board start to spen some of our hard earned money
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The thing is Tim is that Lawell never put that team on the park . You say Samaras is a moody sod and doesn't like playing on plastic pitches . Well I don't like getting up at 6 in the morning in the middle of winter to work in the freezing cold but if I don't perform I don't get paid . Who TF does he think he is . NL has really got to ditch this favourite players routine . Samaras, Forest, Brown, Mulgrew . Liverpool are still the best opposition we have played this season, I know it was a friendly but they took it serious but we beat them . We played well without the players I mentioned so it can be done . I don't mean for NL to make wholesale changes but I'd like him to have faith in the whole squad and use as many players as possible . And I really think we will still do it next week . DH

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I do like him Tim and that won't change anytime soon :-)

We were let down by poor defending and no out & out Centre Forward.

In saying that, the whole team were lacking including Forrest ~ Mrs E

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20 Aug 2013 18:23:41
That was embarrassing! I feel sorry for all those that paid for travel etc! We NEED a striker now. No more excuses! I won't even start on the rest of the team! Also why won't Lennon play balde from the start? I think he looks hungry and would feel he would have a point to prove. Give him a chance! Not a happy bhoy!

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20 Aug 2013 18:22:19
I wonder if PL has told NL that he has limited funds to buy a striker and that is why he put this team out. 2 untried CB's no out and out striker. Is NL banking on us winning at home just to try and get some more money to spend. If he is its a big gamble.

Ian

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20 Aug 2013 18:15:26
Why should we be surprised at today's result? That is exactly what happens when you take a chance and refuse to bring in a bit of quality.
The CL group stages are now looking a bit distant. It might not be over yet but we now have a huge challenge ahead. It is especially infuriating when you think that a couple of new decent players could have made all the difference. Lenny seemed to think he had enough quality to deal with this tie but he clearly doesn't. The question is, has he left it to late to make a difference? It looks like it could be.
I'm disappointed and deflated by that result but I kinda saw it coming and I'm sure many of you did too. It's a pity the club didn't.

Hail Hail
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Agree ChrisBhoy,, it's the usual idiots that think because we are "Celtic" it'll be fine but at the end of the day we are a mediocre side, and it needed improving before a £15/20mil tie, too big a gamble!
I wouldn't say it's Lennons doing tho, the board have a lot to answer for wether we go on to qualify or not.
They simply don't want to pay the going rate for the right players so Lennon is being forced to look elsewhere. Absolute joke but for the younger guys on here, there's nothing new in that its been spoon fed to us for years, we have been lucky with a lot of players we've had, but we've had some total crap (even before this result) I'm fed up with punching well above our weight and papering over the cracks.

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20 Aug 2013 18:10:22
Does anyone think we can turn this round with the strikers we have?

mickeybhoy

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Yes . DH

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Strikers - I don't know. Hopefully?
But it's the Defence that worries me.
JJ

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No the tie is gone we needed a goal to survive. No CL football this year NL needs to look at his tactics I doubt he will get a reaction. Gordon Strachan you never know what you have till its gone. Look what he us achieving at Scotland. I didn't want him to go in the first place. Neil it's time to show us your metal managers don't have friends in team you need to be ruthless

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20 Aug 2013 18:09:47
You cannot rely on commons and Sammy to score goals. One is a midfielder and one is a natural left winger.
Where is our striker? Where is stokes?
After the first goal balde should have been brought on. Their goalie is poor with high cross balls.

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20 Aug 2013 18:06:59
Let down yet again by the defence!

You could be on the moon and see Forster had no confidence in his 2 centre backs.

If we end up the Europa I will not be going. Not because I think we are too good for the Europa or don't want to support my team but for 2 reasons (1) Lack of support for the Manager from the board to replace Gary Hooper (2) Lack of effort from the team tonight.

Everyone knew Karagandy's game plan yet what do Celtic do, let them play it and poor defending cost us 2 goals. Now we did not play badly but nothing up front and a chocolate teapot for a defence.

They are going to come to Celtic Park next week and defend so we need 2 early goals, do not let them get settled and for goodness sake Celtic do not let get an away goal! ~ Mrs E

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Why blame just the defence? The WHOLE team were woeful along with NL tactics and substitution choices. Three out and out strikers on the bench and he brings one on with less than 10 mins to play! Yet persists with forest who is rank rotten. He's not kicked a ball for us in a long time! And Forsters kick out to one of their players was the reason we gave ball away for the first goal. So for you to just blame the defence is a joke especially when these two guys have not had a lot of game time together. Blame Lennon for that also.

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Cheers for that Briggs i'm sure substituting Forrest would have kept the 2 goals out, you're right and my mistake.

I thought the first goal came from a long throw in where our defence failed to pick up their player also my mistake.

In my post I'm sure I wrote lack of effort from the full team, also my mistake. ~ Mrs E

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When we lost the goal NL never had a plan B - even though we were huffing and puffing and the usual culprits (and one or two more) were so ineffective.
At 1-0 we needed a direct goal threat like Watt, Balde or Stokes to alter our predictable, poor build up play. Samaras was pathetic btw.
For gambling on a new defence in such an important game and for sitting with Gary Parker looking constipated - I name Neil Lennon as the main culprit tonight.

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Substituting Forrest might not have kept the 2 goals out, we will never know but I know one thing, whoever took his place would have put in a better shift than he did. total waste of space! If you go back a bit before we lost the first goal Forster kicked the ball out along the ground to one of their players which led them gaining pocession, winning a throw in and ultimately scoring! Your opening line was we were let down by the defence. WRONG! we were let down by the whole team midfield and attack especially Forrest. I take it you won't attend the CL games if we qualify for the 2 reasons you gave?

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20 Aug 2013 18:06:40
Terrible performance today. Sami is not a striker he is a wideman. Defenders were shocking. Will the board ever wake up? If the board don't want to spend my hard earned money why should I?
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Spot on badger, why should we keep paying when we get **** all back, ., .kbarry

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Samaras IS a striker. Just a crap one
Lol

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20 Aug 2013 18:04:57
Inverness caley low. That team were really poor, 4 or 5 nil Celtic poor, managed to stuff that up royally. 91st minute and 3 players hand the ball to each other at a throw in. No pace, ideas, ability, technique, really embarrassing. Have to question Lenny this time, no plan B, or A really. Why no subs when it clearly wasn't working from about 30 minutes in. Better three players leave and nothing really in return, would be nice to say we were a footballing team, exciting team, passionate team, suppose we can fall back on the old favorite, we're a well run club. We'll probably still go through, that team were SPFL mid tablers at best but i'm not really looking forward to the season with much gusto with the insipid performances in all our games so far. Hopefully, i'm wrong.

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20 Aug 2013 18:04:54
Yet again Samaras was played up front even though he is much more effective on the left wing! Why? Because we don't have a striker good enough to play there. Shocking that Gary Hooper hasn't been replaced and now we have to score a 2, 3 or even 4 next week to go through. Whose going to score them? Derk Boerrigter must play next week as he's the man to cut them open! Tough task next week but I am still confident that we'll go through

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20 Aug 2013 18:04:31
Well well well, no doubt we'll have the usual guys on defending that pathetic performance in defence also, to slow in the build up, brown I can't see his influence, samaras, forrest, ledley and last but not least mulgrew. These are our experienced players and don't start me on forster, that was a very poor team we played against, I said on a previous post the defence would cost us, so sad we're left with yet another backs to the wall night at parkhead, so down at the moment but, we should still have enough to go through next week .Ths

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20 Aug 2013 18:00:54
Words fail me . It's going to be a long season . Tactically naive in every sense . Why didn't we throw on Watt and Stokes when we went 2-0 down . I thought we'd got rid of our Bombscare with Ambrose but no up pops another one in Myokolo . Samaras, Forest, Brown, Van Dyck, take a good look at yourselves . Another result to add to our list . DH

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Board played Russian roulette with qualification for the second year running and blew it this time. The fans who saved the club in 1994 during the share issue and all those who have put in hard cash since buying season tickets and merchandise year on year deserve better. Also Lennon deserves better. He won't say it publicly like fat Sally but I bet inside he is fuming at the lack of funds he has been given. Absolutely disgusted!

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20 Aug 2013 18:00:30
Knew this would come back to haunt us. Miserable board taking assumptions we are already through. The board and management have known for months that hooper and wanyama were leaving and did nothing to replace. We have no invention in middle of the park as our players are all similar, we have no out and out goal threat and we have basically tried to paper over the cracks with cheap labour and derisory offers for decent players. Shame on board and short changing the fans again. Absolutely disgusted. We had ample opportunity to progress this year with a little investment and now if shaktar scorr at parkhead we need to score 4. Something we couldny even do against cliftonville. Not good enough

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HERE HERE, we fork out hundreds every year on strips, season tickets, travel etc to follow this team and get very little back in return. i'm not asking to spend all the money we gained last year but outa the 40 million between player sales, and champions league money we should expect at least a 15 million investment especially as it would probs have guaranteed another 20 million this year in champions league and we would have a few more good players with sell on value. we should be always looking to improve and move up the ladder but we have just fell off it. lennon needs to get his targets in mind and go pay the money for them instead of hitting us weh the same old sh*te every interview that "i expect some business to be done by the weekend" and nothing ever happens. we need to go for better players than teemi pishku

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20 Aug 2013 18:00:25
Right before we start shouting for a striker did we create anything for a striker to use? Forrest with a header is about the only thing I can think of. I posted if he played Sammi up alone we would have problems.Watching the game bore that out.Having said that we carried a lot of passengers tonight and the right kind of passes were missing.To put it simply they done to us what we did to Barca.Defended in two walls of four and waited for set plays and throws.Very disappointing. Make no mistake this is a VERY ordinary team. I still expect us to go through but we will need a heaving Celtic Park to get at them as well. green jhedi

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Spot on GJ thought the exact same thing, and thank god there is someone just as optimistic as myself.Thought they used the tactics that we should be using in away games especially but like yourself didn't think that result told the real story of the game.Macca

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GJ agree mostly with what you said, but, nothing was created because we didn't have a striker, not the other way round as you stated, a decent striker will make the runs/movement which then dictates the play, having no movement then forces the square balls or nothing balls. Just having someone upfront doesn't make for the sake of it isn't the answer (although he should have done more)
Obviously other areas where as bad BUT not having a proper striker didn't help.
It's going to be one of "they" nights at CP next Wednesday, I would like to say I love it, but I really really don't. it shouldn't have got to that stage.

Bigbadjohn

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20 Aug 2013 17:59:28
Striker needed badly. Tonight was a shambles. It's not as embarassing as the media may well paint it to be - we dominated most of the game and they're a decent, hard working and organised side who rode their luck at times - but to not come out with at least an away goal is criminal.

I don't think the tie is over by a longshot but we need to avoid conceding at home and for Christ's sake we need to find someone who'll find the net. This should have been done by now. Even if we don't make the Champions League, I'd like to see us have a decent crack at the Europa and given the dent our squad has taken - losing Hooper, Wanyama and Wilson, not signing one that can go straight into the team is stupidity.

Get it sorted Celtic.

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20 Aug 2013 17:55:42
What a shocking display from Celtic. Think most of them had a bet on losing. For all the passing and possession we had we never really done anything with it. No interest no passion and no attitude.

Back 2 are more of a bombscare than effe. Forrest had a shocker izzy wanted to take an extra touch every time he had the ball. Finally Sammi is not an out and out striker.

They are going to have to play the game of their lives next week because Karagandy showed all the passion and drive we never.

Ian

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20 Aug 2013 17:55:16
after that performance lennon has a lot 2 answer a major major euro league qualifier and he plays a defence that's never played together before and it showed, van dyke is as much as a bombscare as ambrose, the less said about forrest the better and big lurch in goal just will not come for a cross ball, that was as bad if not worse than Bratislava and that's saying something.
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20 Aug 2013 17:55:02
What an absolute disgrace of a performance. Sammy done nothing and isn't a centre forward commons has no pace and is ineffective 70% of the time and James Forrest is terrible, he has pace but doesn't use it as a winger but cuts in field but can't dribble past a player so he isn't an inside forward. What does he actually do? We've near enough through away a tie we looked comfortable in in the first 10 mins by a THROW IN we basically played a 4-6-0. We can all moan that signings were not made but we should have comfortably beating a team that can't string 1 and a half passes together.

Chad

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20 Aug 2013 17:54:57
thats us out of cl. absolutely shocking performance. moyoukolo, forrest and mulgrew should be fined for that performance. crap is all I can say. it takes us to go down 2 nil before balde comes on. where is the sense in that? izzy missed a sitter and forrests header was poor at best. samaras isn't a striker as we have said all along so what is going on lenny?

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Agree with much of what you say Kieran. Waiting 81 mins before bringing another forward on is a joke. As for Charlie Mulgrew, playing in the midfield again when everyone apart from Lennon can see he is far too slow. Doesn't say much for the midfield players on the bench!

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How are we out? 2-0 down but certainly not out. Get a grip. We will beat that team at Celtic Park as they will have never played in a stadium like it before and will be Sh****g themselves. Celtic lose one game and suddenly we are crap. Some people need to chill a bit. If we go out then have a go but until then support your team!

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Yea il always support them whether its europa league or champs league. but play like that in second leg and we are definately out. that team will just do same again and we don't have a clue how to play against that

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20 Aug 2013 17:54:53
well done lennon and lawwell your pennypinching has built a team that consist of defenders who can't defend midfielders who can't create and attackers who are non existent. if you can tell I am rite pssd off with result. sc

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20 Aug 2013 17:53:55
Forrest should never get a game again runs half way up the park gets the ball sees a defender s#### hiself then passes it backwards, pointing the finger a bit cause there was not 1 good performance out there, shocking

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20 Aug 2013 17:53:50
An absolute disgrace of a performance! Izzaguerre would never play again if I was manager. His fault for 2nd goal. Ledley at fault for the 1st. Muoyoloko & Virgil bullied by 1 player! Clarke Carlisle summed it up perfectly, attitude was absolutely stinking, too many thought theyd just turn up & win! Not good enough, don't wanna hear aye but we should have spent money, the guys on the park should have been more than good enough to beat a team that are POOR! But yet we made look like Barcelona!

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20 Aug 2013 17:53:08
I have to say that is one of the worst celtic performances I can recall. I normally find some positives but I am really struggling with this one. I felt that Matthews was our best player and he played less than a quarter of the game.

Forrest consistently robs a player of a jersey.

Worst Ledley performance I can recall.

Izzy in dire need of competition.

Forster woeful.

I could go on.

Interested to see how they pick themselves up after that. Come on the hoops!

MgC

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20 Aug 2013 17:51:33
Meant to say on my last post think Forsters head has been turned by this supposed interest from benfica

Hoopybhoy

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20 Aug 2013 17:47:44
3 extra minutes they could give us 3 extra hours and we wouldn't score. Pathetic!

Frewbhoy.

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20 Aug 2013 17:45:03
How much more evidence does the board need just watching the match we really need someone who can unlock teams commons doing good but against a parked bus of 9 defenders we need someonE to give him a hand.

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20 Aug 2013 17:43:32
Thank you Mr Lawwell for starving the fans of decent signings. Todays game is a joke. We might have money in the bank but we should have held on to the players we have sold. SAMMY IS HAVING A NIGHTMARE TODAY JK.

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20 Aug 2013 17:43:16
Pityful Display. Too many empty jerseys. James Forrest again was pants. Final ball for a winger is a joke. There will be a lot of people on moaning about Lawell and not spending, but Lennon and Park have known for the best part of 12 months that Vic and Hooper were going to leave. they should have had players in before they were sold. Looks like Thursday night football for us after next week

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Samson! You say Lennon and Park, do you believe Lawwell didn't know that these players where going to leave? Waken up!, ., .kbarry

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Lawell doesn't identify players. lennon does. Lennon also knew that this was a big team, so why not start Sammy on the left and Balde up front. You can't always blame Lawell, Lennons team and tactics becoming too predictable

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20 Aug 2013 17:42:42
This once again shows our frailties, we have no idea how to break teams down.

Need someone with some creative spark, Commons and Samaras up front just does not work.

Izzy caught out of position, so much for no new faces required.

Oh well least we have saved money by not spending on any reinforcements.

Frewbhoy.

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Frewbhoy I think we know good and well how to break teams down, Wanyama, hooper, wilson and Ki, ., .kbarry

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20 Aug 2013 17:42:16
80 mins gone and I'm gutted, balde should have been on earlier, Sammy is in the wrong place, defence is terrible. We are out of the champions league to the lowest ranked team in it.

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20 Aug 2013 17:41:02
We are awful today and I actually hope we don't make the Group Stages as it will just be humiliating. Daviebhoy77

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20 Aug 2013 17:38:50
An absolute disgrace.

Chalkybhoy!

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20 Aug 2013 17:38:03
This is as bad as Bratislava in my view get rid of Lennon and that team
SteveBhoy

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I hope that's just anger mate, if not your a moron.

Darrenbhoy

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Stevebhoy your a plum, ., .kbarry

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20 Aug 2013 17:37:44
And that is what happens when you sell your best players and don't replace them. Utter shambles. Well done lawwell and co

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The Celtic fans are being taken for mugs. That was a complete shambles. Sammy is never a striker. Hope Peter Lawwell take note of the fans anger. JULIEGHIRL

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Agree mate, static no movement and nothing creative in final third, I hope against all else that we have at least 2 goals in this side but from where? After clifftonville home game and the chances we missed and a toothless two legs against elfsborg.

If you know your goal scorer is going 9 months in advance no excuse not to replace. And also mouyokolo is not the answer I dread a game him and ambrose play together if there are injuries. Need a centre half and a centre forward but too late for these ties unsurprisingly.

Rbhoy

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20 Aug 2013 17:37:25
This is the worst Celtic team I can ever recall! The Europa League will be a potential embarrassment for any game that this team take part in.

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The worst Celtic team you can recall? What age are you? Three? DH

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20 Aug 2013 17:37:05
2-0 and still no movement from Lenny what is going on I know the Forrest haters will be on but commons is just as invisible he has had 1 shot woooo keep him on the bench from now on and get a real creative midfielder in

Hoopybhoy

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20 Aug 2013 17:35:43
Shocking embarrassing disgusting, Lennon's players are a joke. Some players should never get a game again Forrest, samaras, I'm saying years, mulgrew these players are up to. Does he not watch the games back! Disgrace. Joe bhoy

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20 Aug 2013 17:15:21
No midfield, no striker and the defence bloody disgrace this, this mob are mince and showing just how bad we really are.

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I know I will probably get shot down for this post.Having read all the post match comments with regards to the players who should and shouldn, t play for us again and you are probably right, but no one ever criticises the manager he was watching what we were and did nothing to change things around probably imo he dosen, t have nous to do it.82 mins
gone and he sends on a striker pretty desperate as far as I am concerned,
lennon really has to have a good look at himself.jimbhoy.

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20 Aug 2013 17:14:18
First half shameful. I never write posts but we have no creativity on the park. Forrest, mulgrew shocking players. Is Lennon blind? Us fans get robbed by the board every year, where does all the transfer money, selling players stadium money, sponsor money go? Watching this itv four painful. Can the real fans let me know there opinion? We need to boycott celtic park to let the board know the fans ain't mugs, what they treat us like. Joe bhoy

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Real fans don't talk sh&&e and ask for boycotts . Are you for real . What happens next week if Celtic win 3-0 . Get a grip . DH

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20 Aug 2013 17:03:21
Never thought I'd say this but Forrest is gash he shouldn't be anywhere near our first team far 2 many games gone missing apart from his usual hands in the air trick. He has nothing but speed and even that he doesn't know how 2 utilise it .i think he should be back in the youths or even loaned out or even better a good kick up the ar$e and told to start playin and stop winging hail hail cha67

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I wonder if we'll field a striker in the return leg? For all those who have defended the boards decision to sell our top scorer, best centre half and best all round player without replacing any three of them, this is what you get. Not a knee jerk reaction here, when I saw starting line-up I would have took a draw before kick off.

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Totally agree. I've had enough and he shouldve been hooked for Matthews or Stokes. maybe a knee jerk reaction but i'm furious and think we could have played all night and not scored. having no striker might cost us dearly.
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Anyone who thinks one striker (however good) is going to solve our problems is dreaming. Before Hooper and Vic left, we were two quality players away from being a reasonably good team, now it`s three or four. We are going backwards and sinking. If we do not turn this around in the second leg, Parkhead will be like the `Marie Celeste` on a quiet night, for the rest of the season! Celtic are supposed to be selling a product, but the shelves are empty and the ground will be likewise. As always, we seem to fail to capitalise from a pretty good position, one step forward, three steps back.

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What a shambles this not even agood team, they play with 5 across the back and wee play without a centre forward great tactics lenny any f***ing striker would have done if celtic go out its down to PL, DD for being so tight, meagle tim

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20 Aug 2013 16:51:53
We've got a goalie who is 6 foot 7 . When he raises his arms it takes him to over 7 feet . If he jumps it should take him to nearly 9 foot . Yet he still can't come out and command his box . Come on Celtic this mob aren't even as good as most teams in the SPL . let's go for it . DH

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20 Aug 2013 16:51:44
What a stupid fekn goal to lose! Playing well, in control and then that.For me it was Mulgrew, who went under the flick, and Forster to blame.Why can't the keeper, who is 6ft 7in let's not forget come for these throws? Forrest non existent, Sammi being Sammi and Commons only showing in flashes.This is now a tight rope.Bad bounce or mistake and were two down. Pluses? Big Virgil has won more headers in an opponents box in one half than Wilson did in two years.Looks good.This team are not great but we could be in for a real struggle here. green jhedi

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Jhedi speaking the truth.

Negatives - a keeper that can't catch a ball. playing a centre half pairing for the first time in such an important game. Izzy getting caught short with his defending again. Forrest. Lack of strikers.

Positives - no dirty strips and away from work early.

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20 Aug 2013 16:50:32
Well it's half time and we look terrible. That team are no better than some of the SPL but hey guess what . WE HAVE GOT NOTHING UP FRONT. What a surprise eh but hey what do I know as long as Mr Lawwell has money in the bank, apparently that's what matters to some people on here.

We might still scrape through this but at the end of the day it's a disgrace, out team are average at best, look un organised and have no plan A let alone a plan B.

Absolutely raging

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Well said Gary.Looks like they are away on a boys day out. No fight and no heart. But hey ho there is money in the bank. Utter shambles. JK

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20 Aug 2013 16:40:14
**** sake celtic get your fingers out dis wee back water team is makein us look like kids **** sake not impressed
Afgandan

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20 Aug 2013 16:31:23
30 mins in and again shocking. why can lennon not see he is playing without a striker. should be beating this dross by at least 3. sc

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20 Aug 2013 16:01:08
Hi ed 007 just seen the fans who made the trip god love them, hope we give them something to make it all worth their while, not sure about two of the line up but, if we play to our best it should still be alive for the return leg, c'mon the hoops Ths

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20 Aug 2013 15:56:43
R we playing dundee utd 2day
Cha67

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20 Aug 2013 01:29:27
Hi Ed. Just wondering what you think our chances are of bringing in a decent striker before the window closes? It seems we've hit a brick wall with all our targets and although I know we can't pay over the odds for players surely Lawwell could spare SOME funds to trust Lenny with?

Jamie S {Ed007's Note - I am confident that a quality striker (at least) will be brought in.}

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It's not down to trusting Lennon with funds. It's the player that ultimately decides if he wants to come, and so far Finbogasson, and Arnautovic have basically laughed us off. Can't always have a go at Mr Lawell if the player doesn't fancy playing in our wonderful league

Samson

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Ed where is it said that finnbogason doesn't want to come to celtic and laughed it off I've yet to read quotes from the player on this but a lot of posters seem to be saying it

Hoopybhoy {Ed007's Note - I've not seen anything where him or anyone connected to him has said it.}

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20 Aug 2013 11:38:24
The team I'd like to see us go with this afternoon would be:

Forster

Lustig - Virgil - Mulgrew - Izzy

Brown - Ledley - Commons

Stokes - Sammy

Balde

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I know big Ambrose is a bomb scare, think its tough one to throw Mulgrew & Van Dijk in together at centre half when they've not played together as a partnership. Would like to see Balde start. Ian L

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20 Aug 2013 10:52:29
You know this Ian black thing, I think it might be an ibrox propaganda stunt to try get Ian black of the wage bill. I am sure he's on 10k a week now obviously they Can't afford that. He's maybe betted on games, but maybe not against his own teams. Who knows, but with the easdales obviously backing chuckie if he gets the board vote I can see him telling black and the tralists to f**k of.

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Much being made about the Bookies and their tracing of betting patterns but I think this is wrong. It looks certain that he has been grassed up by someone, a debtor maybe.He might have been stupid enough to use an on-line facility and some one that end with the right access as informed the SFA. green jhedi

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Totally mate.but there's a lot to this, would black be stupid enough to sign up to online gambling site giving all his details and then bet against his teams? I doubt it, if I was him I would have used my girlfriends details at least lol, but the person who found this out about black, wouldn't he be breaching rules of customer identity protection? So couldn't Ian black sue them? With 120 charges they must have snooped a lot, or could this be jabba using the ibrox propaganda? This could get interesting. Gandalf the green (forgot to leave my name on first comment( {Ed007's Note - It looks like it was someone working in his bookies that noticed his bets and reported it to his/her manager (as they are required to do). I don't know how accurate that is but it is what I was told happened. The majority of footballers enjoy a punt, whether it is cards, horses or on football but it is against the rules of the game to bet on your own team or a match you are involved in, no matter what the bet is.}

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It seems Iain Blacks disciplinary record last season did suggest a gambling problem . Red cards 2 . Yellow cards 8 . Scratch cards 6, 437 . DH

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I think it could be Jabba telling his wee pal Keith a story. Getting Black to admit it, then sack him for Gross misconduct, to get him off the wage bill before they have to pay their trialist all their back pay on 3rd sept

Samson

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@Gandalf: If someone from the on-line gaming set up did it they would certainly be in breach of the regulations.The problem would be exactly who did it. If as 007 said it was a bookie, then he is a total fool as he would have knew the rules. green jhedi

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20 Aug 2013 08:23:59
Just putting this out there what about paddy Madden any thoughts Ed. jiggythetim

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We had the chance two years ago and didn't take it. I'd take him now though.

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20 Aug 2013 09:44:17
So two signing deadlines have come and gone! Clearly Celtic are trying to get players on the cheap rather than going in early pay the fee and get it done! I predict a late flusher next week probably ending up wiith overpriced loan signings! It smacks of hypocrisy on Celtics part. They complain of attempts by notts forest to unsettle Wilson. Then they talk about their admiration of finbogason and make a derisory offer! Very poor!

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Well here we go again. I am trying very hard to resist calling you out as a sevconian but anyway.We have tried, that we know of, three players.Two have stated they are not really interested in playing in Scotland.The other one will now be needed by his club to cover an injury.We have already spent over £5m on players and have bid around the 3-4 million mark for a striker.Hardly very poor. Re-reading your words I now am sure you are indeed a fan of Scotlands newest club. green jhedi

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How much was the so called derisory offer? You don't know, of course. AF doesn't want to play in Scotland we are told. Celtic have made 3 good signings. I'd much rather the club was well run and worth supporting than be involved with the shambles left by mad minty's tax dodging fantasy world. You confuse very poor with very astute. Very poor does describe another Glasgow club, as you know too well.

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Very predictable green jedhi it seems anyone disagreeing with your opinion is a rangers fan! My point is very simple and I think many celtic fans agree! Celtic have a excellent record of bringing in young promising players and improving them! Van dijk and balde appear to good signings who will improve and move on at a substantial profit! However we have lost the spine of the team for a substantial financial gain! Neil Lennon knows full well that the squad needs a boost with players that improve the starting eleven, not squad players! These don't come cheap and we are not in a position to go in to a bidding war. That therefore means you go in early in the window and do your business! Don't wait till the end and pay inflated prices for average players! And I still don't like celtic talking about players from other clubs before they are signed!

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No MR no name YOU are very predictable, when did Celtic talk about player's BEFORE an offer was made, two of the player's Celtic enquired about have stated they don't want to play in Scotland. The other after Celtic again enquired about him could have been a possibility until that team's main striker was injured. So when did Celtic unsettle any of these player's?. So don't come on here and shout about hypocrisy when it is obvious you have not got a clue what your talking about
Tambhoy

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@3:Not predictable just intuition kicking in.The way your post was worded, mainly in the way you referred to Celtic, just did not smack of you being a Celt. Even more so when I see the way you have changed your wording in your retort.

On that, you negate your point in the first instance. Wilson wanted to move and we have TWO new centre backs.A player moves and is replaced so we are no weaker as Wilson had his faults.I watched Mouyokolo at Aberdeen and he looked as if he might be a find.A good centre back who likes a fight was how my mate described him.

You also state that we are not in a position to enter a bidding war.But in your original post you used the word 'derisory' in regard to an offer we made.We have our valuation on a player and that's that.If it is not accepted we move on to the next target.Surely that is the right way to do business?

I do however agree that replacements might have been signed earlier. But we are not privy to the behind the scenes movements, who knows maybe we tried and were told to come back. Your last line is just wrong. We do not talk about players at other clubs.If Lenny is asked if we made a bid he is, as he always is, honest in his answer.

There is still time to sign players IF we get through.Lenny has stated he is happy enough to go with what he has.Despite what we think he is the Boss.Then you have the single biggest problem we as a club face, getting players to come to play here.The CL is a sweetner so maybe players, Alfie?, are waiting to see if we make it to the groups. Why not tag your posts and we will know who you are mate.It makes posting replies much easier. green jhedi

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Just about to say that difference of opinions doesn't mean he's from the dark side, very shallow minded and not very well educated, I can see the frustration of the OP, but the window hasn't closed yet, we offered 3-4million for a player for it to be knocked back. taking me back to the Martin o'neil days! {Ed007's Note - If people don't tag their posts it leaves them open to accusations of being a rival, it happens on all the sites. That is why we are phasing out any anonymous posts and encouraging people to register or at least tag their posts (and encourage them to ignore anonymous posts).
If you don't know who is putting their point across then why should people bother reading it or answering it?
It would amaze you the amount of people that will stoop to the level of pretending to support another team just to score cheap points for themselves, even though I can see every post anyone has made by a click of my mouse.}

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PL will be waiting to see if we beat this mob easily, soon as we get group stages lawwell will splash the cash.

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@6: Shallow minded and not well educated? I would suggest by posting that, about someone you don't know, leaves you open to the same accusation.

As 007 pointed out there have been numerous occasions on here, and I dare say other sites, of people trying this nonsense. The attitude of the first poster was very condemnatory and I thought it a bit unfair.As you say, we have made bids, there's not much else we can do. green jhedi

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20 Aug 2013 00:28:28
my team for the morra

forster

lustig van dijk mulgrew izzy

forrest brown ledley boerrigter

commons

sami


subs

zaluska ambrose matthews kayal stokes balde watt


have a feeling that lenny will play van dijk and ambrose as his central defensive pairing though, moving mulgrew to left midfield, and boerrigter dropping out due to lack of match sharpness. maybe bring boerrigter for the last 20 mins when the legs are starting to tire. think we'll see amido on at some point too.

i think set plays will be very important for us tomorrow, so commons and mulgrews delivery has to be spot on. as optimistic as ever, but having never seen the opposition, will just have to wait to see how the game goes.

hail hail

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I'd swap Mulgrew for mouyokolo sorry but Mulgrew shouldn't always be first on the team sheet cause he's celtic daft, I hate this about lennon he has his favourites. And nothing angers me more when mulgrew is left midfield lol the guy has no pace or technique just an amazing left foot and good work rate. Sammy up front on his own too never works I'd give balde a chance to sign IMO I hope we play 2 up front we should be attacking non stop this team are hibs standard lol should be an easy win. Gandalf the green

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Agree totally on the Mulgrew point.He has frustrated me with his constant attempt at the hollywood pass.Great delivery but has lots of flaws in his game for me. green jhedi

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Na, Charlie has to be in the team somewere. His deliverys and free kicks are to important. I want him back at center back though. Sammy on the left with stokes up front.

Darrenbhoy

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@2 A bit contradictory there GJ, hollywood pass / great delivery?. I would play him at the back instead of Efe he certainly is not a mid fielder but hey ho I'm sure Neil know's what he is doing. GAWN THE HOOPS
Tambhoy

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