Celtic Banter Archive April 20 2015

20 Apr 2015 22:54:03
Hi All. Enjoy the site and read the posts all the time. Just one point to make about yesterday and think the fact had been missed. Managers always say we are strong with 11 players remaining on the park. Why with a 1-0 lead did Craig Gordon not just allow them to score, and it would have been game on and one each. Think we might still have been dreaming of the treble, with eleven against eleven.

{Ed007's Note - Hi Ian, welcome to the site, you've sent in the same post multiple times, posts don't go up automatically mate they need to go through the editing process first.
Why didn't Gordon just try and save it? He's a GK after all or is that what we can expect any time CG is 1 v 1? Why didn't he try and get ball in his arms/hands instead of going in leading with his legs, making no real attempt to get the ball and basically just bringing the ICT player down.

21 Apr 2015 04:56:15
He really should be out much quicker than that. Just look how hesitant he is, like he's struggling with the whole timing of it all.

20 Apr 2015 22:11:42
I don't believe in the whole agenda against Celtic at all. I put it down to simply sh!te refs up here. What the SFA should be questioned on is their refing courses how are these refs passing into the professional game? I'm with you ED that Craig Gordon is good in games he's not needed let's say and just not good enough when he's truly called upon in the huge games (Why he tried to slide in feet first I don't know, when a keeper uses their hands 80% of games). However just wandered Ed if you've seen the vine of Muir mouthing "it's a pen it's a pen" it's a close up video he's no more than 2 meters from the incident.

21 Apr 2015 08:43:15
I feel the ref bottled it a bit, if Cali lost another goal, and go a man down, game would be ruined. It just shows how difficult it is to win a treble, between nervy players & one off cup games.

21 Apr 2015 09:09:21
We were talking about our goalkeeping situation and clearly we need to invest for next season.
I know Gordon received a lot of plaudits earlier in the season, but the way the defence/team has been playing for the past few months - he has had virtually nothing to do.
I have never been a fan of his and was always confident we would score against him (when he was at his peak)at Hearts.
He jumps in with his eyes shut too many times and has made big mistakes in a few important games.
I accept he has had some very good games, but for a guy who has been out of the game for so long, it must have been expected that fatigue and mental tiredness would affect him late in the season - like any other player?
Zaluskas is a bench warmer with no regular match sharpness and you could see the nerves in defence when he came on.

21 Apr 2015 18:21:29
Gordon may not be a top International goal keeper but he is as a goalkeeper on a par with where our team is . We about a qualifying European Champions League team . I think that we are probably , if we got a reasonable draw and a wee bit of luck we would finish 2nd or 3rd in our group , bringing us European Football post Christmas .
As a team we play better than the sum of our parts . I think Gordon was caught out through a momentary lapse of concentration on Sunday . I think against Inter he was over syched up. He has definitely made mistakes , very few don't , but we cannot remember the super saves he has made too.

20 Apr 2015 20:05:49
ED007 what do you make of the statement released by the club tonight, and surely it must have been sanctioned by Peter Lawwell. This is what most Celtic fans want, our club to ask questions, ask for transparancy and if we embarrass these officials, TOUGH.No more hiding come out and explain themselves. As I said in an earlier post our club has witnessed too many "honest mistakes" (a term coined by the scottish media to cover up) Call them out over it and if it is merely down to incompetent referees then root them out. In England the referees routinely speak out after a game if mistakes are made, why cannot our Scottish referees do the same? Only if they have something to hide they will not or cannot explain a dodgy decision.

{Ed007's Note - The club made a plain enough statement and now you're going on about 'honest mistakes' and stuff, it's preposterous and certainly not helpful if you want to change things.
You go in and question a referee's judgement or even ability and talking about ways of improving the system and they'll listen to you. If you go in waffling about conspiracy theories, Masons and 'honest mistakes' and they'll think you're a halfwit.}

20 Apr 2015 21:09:44
Well ED007 if asking for an explanation is being a half wit then there must be thousands of half wits like me out there, for far too long no one has questioned these decisions. Talking of half wits ED007 a person who continually posts negative things about one of our best players ( for avoidance of doubt Craig Gordon, and to make it even clearer YOU) a player on the short list for Celtic's player of the year is also a shortsighted half wit. What happened to supporting any player that wears our colours like any genuine Celtic fan would do.

{Ed007's Note - How pathetic can you be, can't you read? I didn't say asking for an explanation makes you a halfwit and I certainly don't doubt there's thousands of halfwits like you out there. Now read my answer again and wind your neck in before you make an even bigger ar$e of yourself.}

20 Apr 2015 21:22:00
I think the club could have worded their statement stronger . To me they seem to be saying that because of their supporters and others they were raising the incident .
I thought that maybe the club could have stressed their own desire for an explanation.
At least, the club have started some bit of a complaint .

20 Apr 2015 22:24:41
Ed007 - Does it always have to be your way or the highway? This is a forum I thought, a 'place of public discussion' (OED). Ad hominem attacks aren't needed and Chris is a regular if controversial poster. We love the sassiness, I think all of us do, but give a fella a break!

The club statement is a poor decision. It can't possibly achieve redress, and therefore just plays into the hands of our adversaries. So Chris is wrong. But give a man a chance to come to an opinion and express it.

{Ed007's Note - Jesus H Christ! There's two of them that can't read! (headbang) I never said anything to Chris. It was Timalloy that tried to twist my words and decided just to have a random rant at me about Craig Gordon. It's not my problem he didn't understand my answer.

20 Apr 2015 16:34:06
CEEXXX what is annoying me and several thousand other celtic fans,is why we're inverness exempt from playing their outstanding game against Dundee Utd on the same Wednesday we had to play.As for your own supporters you are all quick to have a go at celtic and their fans for blaming everyone when we lose.Let me me just remind you and your fellow supporters,since your club went into liquidation you have been blaming and threatening everyone for were you are at the moment.It was your cheating,all started by a certain Mr Murray and all those who followed him no one else.Now be honest ,if it was your team who was on the end of that decision yesterday would you have accepted it and said nothing.Concentrate on your own teams failings,and the monetary problems that blight them.killy.

20 Apr 2015 17:42:08
I would have been extremely angry just like everyone of yous! But I would not be claiming that there is a demonic illuminati conspiracy against the club by referees lmao. I have not blamed or threatened anyone about what happened to my club there were a number of people to blame for it.

Your team lost granted the ref was poor, well absolutely dreadful but you can't blame him for the defeat

The referee should be demoted or suspended whatever happens to them, but there is no agenda against Celtic football club or I am sure Peter lawell would know about it after all he basically runs the sfa, it is known lol.

20 Apr 2015 19:00:10
Ceexxx if McLean and his colleagues that were involved are not demoted or suspended for at least twelve games , will you accept that the Scottish Football Authorities are as bad as these cheats .
Will you accept there is an agenda against Celtic by those who run the game in Scotland if they are not punished as above .

20 Apr 2015 20:34:36
Isn't it funny how we can debate these points on here as grown ups , yet on the rangers site anyone with a different view won't get a post up so they and their ed can live in their own wee world where everyone agrees with their own twisted views .

{Ed007's Note - Fans of other clubs are welcome here as long as they're adding something to the thread/banter. It's the quality of their posts and their originality that continually lets them down. If you're level of banter is 'Hahaha where's your treble gone?' you should be ashamed of yourself, to think it' grown men sitting doing it makes me shiver to my bone.}

20 Apr 2015 20:36:38
I am not sure of the disciplinery rules that referees get 1 caution or whatever but yeah they should be demoted/suspended for a period of time.

But has a referee ever been demoted or suspended before?

21 Apr 2015 00:15:21
Ceexxx m, why are you asking if a referee as ever been demoted or suspended .
You have already suggested this course of action .

21 Apr 2015 11:26:04
Because I don't know if one has before that is why I am asking. Why else would I ask?

21 Apr 2015 18:33:40
You seemed to think it was a suitable reaction when you posted that should happen .
Now when I said if it didn't happen , would it show complicity by the SFA , you seem to back track .

I know of one case , I was at the match myself in the late 60''s early 70's . Big Hughes booked in first half tangled with W Johnston on the ground . Willie goaded Hughes by pointed at His own chin . As big Hughes got up he kneed Johnston on his Willie and the whole of Rangers demanded Hughes dismissal. The linesman got a hold of the ref. And told him about Johnston's goading Hughes was not sent off. That all happened within 15/20 yds of where I was .
The red who was an International ref , was demoted to junior leagues after Rangers insisted and he stopped referring that year.

22 Apr 2015 18:02:29
Agree with CeeXXX ref was dreadful, but a lot more contributed to our defeat and is down to poor refereeing that penatly wasnt given

23 Apr 2015 01:10:02
By the way , just in case anyone is interested the referee in question was
Jim Callaghan ( not the prime minister ) .

20 Apr 2015 15:13:56
Hi Ed

I wanted to put something "out there" to test the water but wouldn't want to do it as a vote per se. On reading the various posts, it would seem that a great many fans believe that CFC are at the centre of a conspiracy where officialdom wants to hold us back or prevent us from claiming our rightful place at the top of Scottish football.

Are we seriously saying that there is a formal or informal agenda being constructed day to day week to week in cigar filled rooms against CFC? Do we believe that there is a core group of influencers hell bent on destabilising CFC? Are we seriously suggesting that journalists, pundits, referees, linesman, administrators and a whole host of others in position of influence are part of some secret society whose mission in life is to specifically destabilise CFC?

It may well be the case but I have not seen any evidence to support this view. The Farry incident was resolved. Some would say it was too late in the day and that an available Cadete, without the controversy, would have given CFC everything they deserved as opposed to a retrospective censor that saw the top of the SFA crumble. Was the SFA / Cadete controversy incompetence or clear, unbridled unadulterated bias designed to hold CFC back?

Are there Celtic minded people out there who think we are being asked to compete on a field that is anything but level?

Yesterday's decisions (with a focus on the letter "S") because let's face it, there was more than one lousy decision, were between poor and inconsistent across the board. Both sides could point to their own controversial incidents that handicapped their progress through the tie. The CFC decision was a shocker, but if we are to read between the lines, some fans are saying that 3 or 4 officials conspired in unison to thwart Celtic's progress towards the treble. Really? Did the officials exchange a memo before the game or wink 4 times or have their socks at a certain level to give a signal? How did these football enthusiasts manage to pull off such a stunt? How did they leaner of one another's hatred of CFC? How did they manage to get on the park at the same time in a semi-final?

When I think about such matters and the potential for same, I quickly rebound and consider the ridiculousness of it all. We believe that Rangers leaning referees will go all out to prevent CFC from amassing trophies. We then believe that fear-laiden Celtic minded referees will work hard to show no bias to CFC's detriment, making the latter even more dangerous and unpredictable.

And what of all the others who have no preference and just love football?

I love Celtic with every part of my being. I love the highs because of the lows. I love the suspense of it all. The not knowing. The dashed dreams. The unexpected wins and comebacks. The centenary year. Lubo. Henrik renewing his contract. 6-2. Being on the cusp of having a team to be proud of. Despairing when the team is depleted and lacking quality and the Board are non responsive. I could go on, BUT what is unhealthy is this unrelenting under current of perceived bias. It is ugly. It distracts us from what is important. It distorts. It conveniently moves the focus away from what needs to be done to avoid disappointments in Cup semi-finals.

I hope RD is looking at video re-runs to find out what is missing in the final third, or how we can strike a balance between protecting a lead and finishing teams off without giving teams the opportunity, via one long ball, to change the whole course of a game. I hope he takes the time to sit down with Biton and explain that he doesn't have 3 minutes to find a pass or to tell Brown that sometimes just winning the tackle is good enough without taking the opponent out. There is lots and lots and lots and lots and lots to preoccupy RD and JC and I hope that they don't fall in to the trap of believing that CFC will only succeed once the BIAS is attended to.

It doesn't exist, but call me out on it all you want. This Celtic fanatic doesn't buy it one little bit.

{Ed007's Note - That's one of the best posts I've read on any our sites in quite a while mate, well said. (clap) I often wonder where SFA board member and CFC Chief Executive Peter Lawwell is when these scurious plans are hatched? Maybe it's all done when it's his turn in the cupboard with the goat.....}

20 Apr 2015 16:20:17
Paradise and ED007 I agree to a certain extent with both your views, VVD and Denayer are prone to getting caught out with a long ball over their heads it has happened too many times, and neither Delia or Collins seem to be addressing this issue, also we are prone to poor/loose passes which put the team under pressure and again these mistakes do not seem to be addressed by our coaching staff. ED007 you have "thing" about Gordon and only see his weak points, myself I applaud him for fighting back from a career threatening injury to turn in many man of the match performances this season, at least be fair to Gordon ED007. Now to the "conspiracy" angle, I am probably older than both of you and I have witnessed too many "honest mistakes" for it just to classed as poor refereeing or incompetance. FACT the SFA hierachy and others within Scottish football have never got over Glasgow Celtic winning the European cup that their establishment team in the south side never did. It rankles them to this day and I will debate this with anyone, their are people within the SFA over the years who HATE Glasgow Celtic and what the club and its fans stand over. Back to the referee, not in this game but in ANY game when an "honest" mistake has been made, have you ever heard any referee come out after the game and say "sorry, I made a mistake there" no they never will and that is why myself and others question their integrity.

20 Apr 2015 16:35:31
I'm not big in conspiracy theories either and Fergus handling of the Jim Farry incident was about facts rather than an anti-Celtic bias.

You only have to speak to fans outwith Celtic and Rangers about who they think gets better treatment and big decisions - both Glasgow Clubs in equal measures.

I'll admit to still scratching me head over the officials yesterday though, it's unreal.

That said, I've yet to meet anyone who thought we played well yesterday. At Half time we were winning and 11 players on the park, no excuses.

Chelsea v PSG seen Zlatan sent off and PSG dumped them out the Champions League with 10 men, we should of done the same yesterday.

20 Apr 2015 16:39:56
hi ed

it gives me no pleasure whatsoever saying it or writing it or thinking about it …others should speak up…. I do however respect any person's right to have an opinion on it…we are all celtic minded

hail hail

20 Apr 2015 16:52:56
Paradise mate , clearly you took time to write & think that through a can only speak for myself articulate and objective enough to KNOW this is not conspiracy driven a don't believe for one minute that the "shorter trouser leg / rope mob" at work

But here it is RD no will no doubt have heard many a yarn about the "tide being against" ( a bet you whatever you like he would heard it at least a DOZEN times yesterday )something like "we just don't get the BIG decisions" but IMO he never ever bought into it earlier in the season against Dundee Utd he was asked about the injustices TWICE at tannadice and the response "these things balance themselves out over a season"

Again am no body language expert but yesterday he looked BEWILDERED by THAT decision no doubt about yesterday a gave THREE PRIME examples of recent semi - final / final ( including yesterday's!) we have been in that have went AGAINST us all am asking is where is the "flip side" to your argument? Where if these things "balance themselves out" where is the decision

Today we are ALL still reeling , listen anyone can make mistakes but to do it over and over again on these BIG occasions it is like watching a re-run of a bad movie IMO

We have a poster on here a very rarely agree with but prior to the game he said the biggest fear he had for the game was officialdom a have to say Ed it would be really interesting to know how many GENUINELY felt that way , shame no POTD , but a reckon there would be a landslide to it and a accept that there IS PLENTY who will beat that drum of "its a conspiracy" but that is not me! When you go into a game fearing the factor above sadly it is because we have seen it way too many times for my liking!

Again with the counter balance in mind mate if you can tell me of any BIG decisions that have went in our favour am happy to listen mate as our manager has indicated "these things balance themselves out over a season"

ATVB JB7

20 Apr 2015 16:55:41
Great post and just to go one step further I've always held the opinion that if I truly believed in any great conspiracy against our club I would stop going to games.

20 Apr 2015 17:07:54
Was a great post. Suggestions that it may be institutional are ridiculous. I think there's just a collection of individuals. Individual idiots. Board level through to 6th assistant, yes, 6 assistant referees. The only 6 people in the ground whose views seemed to have been blocked happen to be on the same team. And that one team is 6 too many idiots.

20 Apr 2015 18:04:23
I have never bought into a conspiracy network, but I do find we have suffered a lot from 'honest mistakes' especially in big games over the years and can honestly say that since I started going to watch Celtic in the 60's, I knew which referees would make more 'mistakes' than others - and that is still the case today.
The amount of disallowed goals Bobby Lennox had just because he was too fast for the naked eye was a common excuse.
Many Celtic fans could give you a list of 'dubious refs' and those who have a 'not-so-hidden-agenda'.
My son attended a Rangers function many years ago and Kenny Clark was a guest speaker and told sectarian jokes. So they don't make it easy to dispel these ideas.

I do however agree with your point about our own short falls and have mentioned a few of my own concerns about our players weaknesses and areas we need more quality in various posts over the season and at the end of the day, we should be beating Inverness more than one in four.
RD has recovered well after a horrendous start to his career, but this is where he will prove his worth after a severe disappointment - including some poor decisions on substitutions - and with our title rivals keeping up the pressure, we will see how he and the team react.

By the way; it's ridiculous that he was asked if he was carrying on as manger by the Scottish press today.
But I'm not saying it's a conspiracy ha ha ha

20 Apr 2015 20:46:24
No I don't believe their is some grand conspiracy in the referees circle or within the football authority, some decisions go for you some against but the official's on duty should be severely reprimanded for not doing their job correctly, as for the media there is , has , and always will be an agenda against Celtic . Why? Simple really, in the written media especially the majority of their customers are rangers fans and they don't want to read nice things about their biggest rivals.

20 Apr 2015 21:40:03
I think that Celtic have been on the receiving end of two many bad decision over the almost 50 years I have been watching and following them . Not only that but Rangers have over the same time benefited from too many decisions , for there not to be a concern about fair play .
I don't think any leading club in any of the major leagues in Europe have suffered as us .
Even the treatment of Rangers when they died , the corrupt terms of reference given to LNS , which lead to the no sporting advantage ruling . The fact that the Scottish authorities wrote up a new set of rules to get Sevco into the SPL and finally into the league at all. The forward thinking to change the Promotion rules in case Sevco didn't finish top two this season .
We will have to accept that the Govan club is the chosen one , and will always be .

22 Apr 2015 00:59:32
Paradisewon, the only way to stop the majority of Celtic fans having this current unrelenting perceived bias , is for the authorities to actual take public steps to cut out the bias .
Paradisewon do you accept that in 2012 the Scottish Football Authorities did everything beyond their power to limit the punishment of Rangers . The appointment of LNS was done so with a term of reference that excluded EBT payments that Rangers accepted were illegal . Now after a minimum period we have ( they say the same club ) on the brink of the SPL .
I don't know how old you are but away back in the mid 60's when I started to follow Celtic Jock Stein was complaining about an anti Celtic bias . It's nothing new we have put up with it too long . We have had and will have please God our glory days again . We would all love a Lubo, a Murdoch, a Bertie Auld , Jimmy Johnstone and Larsson . We probably won't have that talent again in my life time , no thanks to Sky and the EPL . However the corrupt people who run our game , haven't just arrived this Century but we the Celtic fans owe it to future generations of Celtic fans to rid our game of the corruptness and/ or incompetence rulers and officials .

20 Apr 2015 14:05:55
Well that is it for another year as far as the cup is concerned Time to move on we still have the league and I am sure the refs will make that as difficult as they can from now until the end of the season. And with no Disrespect to Falkirk or Inverness they would be just as well playing the final at a armature leagues side ground for all the support that will be there and if that is the sort of SHOW BOAT Final the SFA want So be it no wonder we can't get a descent TV Deal

20 Apr 2015 09:43:47
It is now all about winning the league and we have two hard away games against Dundee on Wednesday then Dundee United at Tannadice on Sunday, we will have tired players and especially the United game will be extra tough as they will be looking to restore some pride after the 4 beatings we gave them, luckily GMS and Armstrong wil come back to give us some energy. I hope Delia keeps his mouth shut now and just concetrate on winning the games we need to secure our justified title, I am positive all his talk of the treble galvanised the cheating brigade to stop it happening.

20 Apr 2015 13:55:17
If anything Deilla keeping his mouth shut and not reacting in strong enough terms with the" honest mistakes " throughout the season, give McLean and co the confidence to be even more sinister in dishing out the dirt to Celtic . Remember Celtic have now lost 5 games in domestic football . The McLean bas.d has refereed 3 of them . In fact he has only blotted his copy book as far as Celtic is concerned by "allowing Celtic to win one game .

Of course when I mentioned in Sept/ Oct that Deila might suffer even more if he didn't stand up to these cheats , I was told I was cringe worthy .

{Ed007's Note - And it's still cringe worthy. I can't believe that there's a section of our support who can't tolerate losing a game without trying to make it out to be some kind of Masonic refereeing conspiracy, it's pathetic.
If you think that then you seriously have to look at the part Craig Gordon has played in the important matches we've played in, Maribor, Inter now this with ICT, another major blunder in an important game, another major blunder that cost us a game and this time the chance of a treble.
Is it Gordon is error-prone, he isn't fit/sharp enough or perhaps it's something more sinister, can you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Simply put - if we had kept 11 men on the park yesterday we'd have won. But you keep playing the it's all the big bad refs that are against us card , it's good job they "let us" win the League and League Cup eh?
Referees aren't bias, they're just like our GK - incompetent!}

20 Apr 2015 15:13:30
Ed I think you are being a bit harsh on cg. But you have made your op on cg quite clear so I'm not going to attempt to change your mind. I Do rate the guy and am happy with his first season at celtic. As for yest I will always be of the op that no bad how bad we played if it wasn't for that decision the forum would've been full of posts saying oh well not at our best today but we done enough. That decision cost us yest. And believe me mate I'm nowhere near the paranoia brigade never have been. I have also been told that yesterday's ref Is celtic daft so it kinda puts it to bed. Our refs are poor there is no denying that. Just read willie collum has been give a cl 1/4 final. Sigh. Anyway I just believe that no matter who didn't show yesterday or let the team down it would've been a diff story all together had the officials done there job.

{Ed007's Note - So you don't think if Gordon had stayed on the pitch (why did he go for the ball with his legs rather than his arms?) and ICT scored to bring it to 1-1 we're strong enough to go on and win that game? Remember we were 1-0 up when Gordon got sent off. You're dealing with what ifs rather than what did actually happen.}

20 Apr 2015 16:00:25
All I am saying is and yes it's a what if. What if the officials got the most important decision of the game correct. Imo they get that right ict are down to ten men. And we have a pen to pretty much end the game. Then the second half is a different event. We had a lot of players who didn't play well yest not just cg. But I think the fault of yest will always lie with the officials mistake. No conspiracy no paranoia just a terrible error from a man behind the goal who was 4 yards away.

{Ed007's Note - It's a fair point about the ref mate but my point is too many fans are always looking for someone to blame like the refs, the SFA/SPFL, even the Masons! The refs mistake didn't cost us the game, we were 1-0 up and 11 men on the park at that time, we've won plenty of games when we've had decisions go against us, now when we lose one it's all because of that decision, none of our players done anything wrong to cost us yesterday?
What if CG had stayed on the park and we went onto win, would the penalty incident be so important?
The refs mistake didn't change the game, Gordon's sending off changed the game, it gave them a man of an advantage and the chance to get back in the match. Not giving a penalty doesn't change matches, it doesn't change anything, the score remained the same and both teams still had 11 men on the park, CFC were still 1-0 up.
You said players didn't play well in the second half, was that after CG's sending off when they were a man down - against a team that plays the game in such a way that even our own manager has complimented it.
A lot of the times our players were chasing the game as the 54/46 possession shows, but ICT always had an extra man to play to, we were outplayed a lot of the time because they had a man advantage.
We led yesterday's match for 40 mins, the players had half-time to get in the dressing room, regroup and put the penalty incident behind them. It looked like they had done that and looked comfortable up until Gordon's red card.
When the ref didn't give a penalty did you think we were going to struggle or did you still think we had enough to take care of it? When Gordon got sent off and they scored the penalty what did you think? That's when I knew we were going to need to dig deep to get through the tie.
We committed 20 fouls to ICTs 19, they had 4 bookings and we had 2 + 1 red that we can't complain about, where's the anti-CFC bias in that?
I just can't get my head round why poor refereeing standards = anti-CFC bias to some within our support? It just makes us all look ridiculous when you hear/see them bleating on about it. Nobody's saying the referee and his assistants didn't have a mare yesterday but to say that it's some kind of conspiracy is laughable and does the fans no good when we are dealing with real enemies of the club.
How can we be taken seriously about the favouritism shown towards Scotland's newest club when we're wibbling away about a referee's mistake?
I love my conspiracy theories and spend hours a day reading up on stuff like that, this about refs is up there with the state aid plonker's wildest fantasies.
This isn't a dig at you btw, Gary it's just my general feelings after seeing posts and what's being said on social media, I thought it best not to rant last night when I got home lol.}

20 Apr 2015 18:29:01
I agree with most of what you say. I am in no way paranoid so we both agree regarding that aspect. And I have it on good authority the ref yest is celtic daft. So blows the conspiracy out the water. Regarding how I felt after the decision you've got me there at half time yest I had no doubt we would win that game. And you mentioned how in the past we've had bad decisions against us and its forgot about as long as we win, that's kinda what I was saying about bad performances and mistakes made by players cg included. Had we gone on to win yest I think all the bad performances would have been put down to a blip along the way. But now we lost every performance and mistake is magnified by everyone. Just like the refs mistake. And that remains the one place I will continue to disagree. You say penaltys not given don't change games and we still had 11 men. The fact still remain massive decisions given correctly change games massively. If the ref gets that right they at very best for them start a man and a goal down. At worst they start a man and 2 goals down. That's why I will maintain yesterday that one decision proved in the long run to be the crucial one because if( there's that word again) they get that simple decision right then the game is all but done. I know your not having a dig mate.

{Ed007's Note - You've made some fair points there but I still maintain, even with the penalty mistake, we would have won that game if we had kept 11 men on the park. If (there it is again lol) the penalty is given and the ICT player is sent off we'd have probably went on to win by 3 or 4, but if CG had stayed on the pitch we'd have probably went on to win by 2 or 3. Only one of those things was within our player's control. We should have done enough to win that game and as soon as CG was red-carded we were always up against it.}

20 Apr 2015 19:11:06
Yeah that's fair enough mate I accept that argument. I think speaking for myself and guessing regards to most others there is a massive sense of disappointment and anti climax regarding yest.

{Ed007's Note - I don't doubt that everyone is feeling a bit deflated today. We need to dust ourselves down and get on with the job against Dundee this Wednesday.}

20 Apr 2015 19:38:51
It's the only thing for it mate. Hope cg isn't suspended.😉lol

{Ed007's Note - We're not that lucky lol.}

21 Apr 2015 18:43:50
I would just like to clarify , I have never moaned, groped or complained about Celtic getting beaten when the referee or his assistants haven't played a major role .

I will take any normal defeaat " as big Tony said on the chin, I won't and don't make scape goats of any individual player. We are all Celtic supporters who I believe support the club , the e , the manager and the players . We should support our own , and at the same time I reserve the right to ridicule and find fault at those from outside our club who cheat us or by incompetence prevent us or try to prevent us from doing what we do best , winning matches and trophies .

20 Apr 2015 00:35:09
Sorry, that was a rant. Been on the booze since kick off. Just disappointed we lost