Celtic Banter Archive May 01 2016

 

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01 May 2016 23:27:17
Congratulations to LG on being voted Player of the Year. Hail Hail.

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01 May 2016 21:05:02
Personally I have 3 choices for the next Celtic manager it has to be either David Moyes, Brendan Rodgers or Martin ONeill. We need experience and need to get back into the champions league asap. Whoever the manager is has a massive job far too many midfielders, need to decide if Christie and Allan have a future, mulgrews out of contract, Ambrose needs to go aswell, ciftci and Cole need to go, we need a big strong centre half as boyata was a waste of money and Blackett hasn't kicked a ball, we also need a back up for Gordon and need a striker to support griffiths, the board needs to act now and get this appointment correct.

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01 May 2016 17:29:25
Watching Southampton v city on stadium channel Roy Keane is the studio guest. Commenting on kolarov at 2nd goal says he would take him off and make him get his own way home for the amount of effort he put in. Of all the names being touted for the job he is def my choice and that attitude is purely the reason why. No matter the skill set of our players one thing he won't stand for is lack of effort.

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01 May 2016 17:45:26
Surely we need someone with just more than a hard attitude??

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01 May 2016 18:00:18
winning attitude is the way I see him. Personally think that the time working under oneil will have helped him no end. I just don't see any of the names being touted better than him tbh. The guy is an out and out winner and will certainly be no yes man.

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01 May 2016 18:04:55
Kev it's the bare minimum.

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01 May 2016 18:05:14
On a side note the boy wanyama looks a player should sign him :)

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01 May 2016 18:12:32
Thing with kean is he will get some calls right but he doesn't have the temperament. The lack of it will result in him going through a player who has had a bad game and causing a bad atmosphere. He is more than capable of being an attack dog assistant but given the reigns. A no for me.

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01 May 2016 18:15:48
Are we going for bare minimum?
Yes Keane has a winning attitude
Yes he has worked under good manager but that doesn't make up for the fact he is a poor manager for me.
Players hated playing under him.
They have parties when he leaves.

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01 May 2016 18:22:27
Kept it brief kev I meant a hard attitude should be the bare minimum as a manager. I have a post waiting to be approved that echos what your are saying mate.

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01 May 2016 18:49:00
Roy Keane is probably the most competitive player football's ever seen, his drive and desire is second to none! There HAS to be a good manager in there. 2 years under Martin O'Neill will have improved him immensely.

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01 May 2016 19:16:00
Sorry glen it hadn't came up before I answered.
LM67 why HAS there got to be a good manager in there?
Being a great player with a winning attitude that has worked with good managers doesn't mean he will be good.
Everyone in England can see that and that's why no one with touch him.
He is not and never will be a good manager.

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01 May 2016 19:28:27
For me the issue with Keane and Lambert is the style of football they play. With Ipswich/ Sunderland and Norwich/ Villa it was a typical British style. I want to see Celtic passing the ball, properly passing/ controlling the game. That's why I was so looking forward to watching us under Ronny, it didn't happen though. The team were breaking down after 5 passes, never mind 35. For me the secret to a good manager is who he has around him, Fergie always had good coaches, he was also happy to bring in guys he had hardly met, he knew they didn't have to be best pals. At Ipswich Keane brought in Garry Ablett who had practically no experience. Lambert always goes for coaches who play the same style as him, he's got Alan Irvine at the moment. You should go for guys who have different ideas, otherwise it's pretty pointless - you'd be as well having your best mate.

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01 May 2016 20:07:07
Just thinking about lambert, didn't Keane work with him at villa? Maybe they would do again.

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01 May 2016 22:04:33
That's thee big gamble employing Keane . He will from time to time be very tough hard, or even harsh on players he sees as having stepped out of line . It's how the squad reacts to that treatment is where u find the answer whether Keane will be successful or not . If the players huff and we lose the SPL we have a problem, on the other hand if he keeps himself in check most of the time and with the right assistant we could have a very good manager.

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01 May 2016 17:10:31
What do you think our budget will be for a new manager?
I'd like to see 1m (19ish k pw) being the carrot. I read on here RD was on £4-8k pw. Can't be right in my book and I don't see why anyone with pedigree would take what we would offer. Not just the wage but having to agree to our structure. We have cut our wage bill year on year but the non starters if shipped would free up enough.
We waste transfer fees and wages every year . If it doesn't work out you can sack a manager but as we have seen players will quite happily take a wage just to train and have a kick about in the youth team.

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01 May 2016 22:05:58
We won't want to go much over £500k in my opinion .

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01 May 2016 23:22:13
Tony 94, how can you criticise Logan Bailly as back up to Craig Gordon? , he has done well in his limited appearances!

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01 May 2016 15:06:29
Can anyone please explain this to me?
Paul lambert would not be my first choice at all but I have heard please say they'd rather have Roy Keane as manager than lambert.
Why?

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01 May 2016 16:00:34
To be fair, his Sunderland team smashed the Championship - in a way not many have done since. I'm not a huge Lambert fan (as Manager) but I do see why people would want him. Villa (and Blackburn) aside, he did really well down South. There are four or five (realistic) candidates I'd have before them, but of the two, I'd rather Keane for personality - Lambert is so dour.

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01 May 2016 16:17:22
Poetic I'd say lambert was a bigger success than Keane
Took Norwich fae league one to the premiership and kept them up.
Villa was and still is a basket case of a club and he did well to keep them up.
Blackburn he was working with his hands tied.
Yes Keane can't be more temperamently but ad rather have the better manager of the two

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01 May 2016 16:41:18
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply playing devil's advocate. Although, as mentioned, I'd still have Keane before him as Lambert does zero to inspire me!

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01 May 2016 22:07:56
You probably won't have a problem with either . The board are beavering away trying to come up with a name not yet mentioned but someone we know .

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01 May 2016 08:24:41
Morning Ed, A bit off topic but it's something that has been discussed quite a bit over the years. The South Stand. I saw plans for it myself in the Sunday Post over 10 years ago but my Leith mole said last night new plans have been made, huge plans. He expects news on it soon. Have you heard anything yourself? He seems to think its more about adding facilities rather than attendance. These things don't come cheap so makes you think what kind of cash we have in the pot and would it not be better spent elsewhere.

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{Ed007's Note - I've no idea mate, sorry.}

01 May 2016 11:16:58
Did we not do a YNWA tribute for the 96 yesterday, or is one planned for our next home game? Be disappointed if not, as we have such a strong relationship with Liverpool (along with many other clubs)

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01 May 2016 15:11:21
All for recognition of the justice for 96 families and campaigners. But don't get any love in with any other club completely baffles me tbh.

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01 May 2016 15:31:49
At the time of Hillsborough . this couldd have happened to any set of fans . we ourselves had a very lucky escape at forest. And how it never happened at tyncastle entrance we can only thank god . so it's empathy with Liverpool fans and a show of support with all fans everywhere who could have suffered this tradgedy. a love in trivialses this imo welsbhoy.

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01 May 2016 15:54:37
Agree with everything you say there drb reading my post back it could be misinterpreted. I would fully support any tribute, was out with a friend last night who is an Everton season ticket holder who was telling me how moving and fitting the tribute at Goodson was yesterday.

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01 May 2016 15:55:20
Love-in?
I thought it was very respectful of the clubs down south to have a chorus of YNWA.
Did we not play them in a Hillsborough tribute game?
As for other clubs. one of the first names out of the hat when players look for testimonial opposition, Celtic are up there in the top list.
So a wee tribute would not be out of place. my opinion anyway.

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01 May 2016 16:48:46
Tiny we where their first game after hillsbourough.

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01 May 2016 08:49:03
The following is a list of wasted money on mostly foriegn players since Stachan left. We would have been better letting our own youth play
Zaluska Majasorovic
Cervi Misun
Hooiveld Juarez
Rogue Du Ri Cha
Thomson Crosas
Brraafhield Ljungberg
Fox Kapo
Hinkel Fortune
N'guemo Murphy
Donati el Kaddouri
Flood Blackman
Mizano Rabiu
McCourt Brozek
Kamara Bangura
Hutchinson Duncan
Killen Gerson
Ambrose Nouioui
Miku Mouyokolo
Beoerrigter Pukki
Fridjonsson Wakaso
Breget Guidetti
Scepovic Tonev
Bailly Simunovic
Boyata Blackett
Janko Kazim-Richards Roberts Duffy Cole Allen.

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01 May 2016 09:04:36
I like young roberts. Fair enough he is on loan and we're nurturing someone else's talent but i think he will offer a lot next season. some of paddys magic was priceless. Agree with the rest bang on.

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01 May 2016 09:07:10
Jonace

Now name me the players from our youth teams from that period who have left and gone on to have even a half decent career.

I will give you Andrew Robertson and probably Mulgrew as a start. I'm interested to know of others.

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01 May 2016 09:13:22
Can't disagree with most of them but Hinkel was a great player for us.

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01 May 2016 09:49:13
You could add Rasmussen, Rogne, Blackman and Amido Balde to that and although one or two of them may have done a job, it does highlight the flaws in our scouting and recruitment 'policy' and the amount of money we have just thrown away for very little dividend.

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01 May 2016 10:12:36
Hinkle was very good player and even though he trailed off guidettI score a good amount of goals.

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01 May 2016 10:18:35
Plus didn't we make a good profit of Fox after half a season

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01 May 2016 10:35:03
Wee N'geumo was good. Hinkel Rogne no the worst but your right most of em duds most unforgivable for me was Park scouring Europe for the class act striker and coming back with balde bangura and pukki.

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01 May 2016 11:40:26
Take out hinkle mccourt guidetti and simonovic and I agree with the rest.

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01 May 2016 11:48:14
I agree with most but I see a lot in CKR and think if played through the middle would be a superb partner for wee Leigh.

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01 May 2016 13:21:39
I don't agree with many of these (for various reasons) but the sentiment and all round point is spot on: we have spunked an awful lot of money, on an awful lot of average players, and we need to do better.

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01 May 2016 14:38:52
I'm sure there's a decent XI in there somewhere if you were to have them at different times in their careers lol. Some of them were actually good for us, some were good for other clubs and on the face weren't bad signings, just unfortunate ones imo. But aye, there's a heck of a lot of bad signings there, some I think my mind had tried to forget. Carlton cole for example.

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01 May 2016 15:09:42
the poetic patient

You say we have spunked an awful lot of money on a lot of average players and that we need to do better. I don't think that its fair to say that we volunteered funds for average players in the belief that they would stay average. CFC profile is such these days (and we're not alone here) whereby we cannot get any half decent player from any half decent league (with decent visibility) because the bigger clubs (or the smaller clubs in bigger/ higher profile leagues) can draw upon vast financial resources to buy everything and anything "above average" and pay them twice as much as we can afford (just to sit on the bench or to loan them out again) .

How do CFC do better with limited funds and an ever decreasing pond of genuine potential and talent when the likes of Watford, M'Boro, Burnley, Stoke, Forest and Derby can out muscle us financially? From time to time, there will be players who "are good" who accept that a trip to CFC will be good for the CV and a decent stepping stone to even bigger things, IE from no-name club to CFC to top 12 in EPL as opposed to a squad player (on decent wages) with a no-name club in EPL or Championship with no prospect of European football. But these "hungry" high potential types are very hard to come by, IE those who don't know the depths of their own talent and who are happy to "risk" their career (financial wise) on a de-tour via the East End of Glasgow.

Is that not the issue?

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01 May 2016 16:14:25
Paradise, are you familiar with the work of Ernest Hemmingway? He had a lot to say about elaborate ornamentation that you may find interesting.

"You say we have spunked an awful lot of money on a lot of average players and that we need to do better. "

Actually, what I said was:

"The sentiment and all round point is spot on: we have spunked an awful lot of money, on an awful lot of average players, and we need to do better. "

That is not the same thing. The comma indicated that the "need to do better" part was talking about the aforementioned sentiment. I have no doubt that CFC are trying to buy players who can/ will improve - which I assume is the general point you are trying to make by claiming it's unfair of me to suggest that they are volunteering funds "for average players in the belief that they would stay average. " But the trying part of that doesn't negate the many (many) failures listed above. Are you saying that there haven't been failures? Are you suggesting that the list above is plethora of success stories? We all know what market Celtic are operating in - but again, that doesn't negate the failures and wasted money.

I honestly don't see what most of your post has to do with my general agreement about a list of players who have failed at the club. A list I already said I didn't completely agree with, in terms of 100% of the players mentioned.

Further to that, I couldn't comment because it seems like you are going out your way to state the obvious, agree AND be obtuse - which is quite an achievement, given the contradictory elements involved.

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01 May 2016 22:16:52
Of course when you play football in artic conditions most of the season, in a league if known for anything it is for the cheating and fraud by Rangers and when you have limited transfer funds it's inevitable that many won't work out . However if we put the cost of all our transfers particular foreign and then added up the sale price we got for them that we have sold Virgil, Forrester, Victor, Ki, and the many more, you have my drift . We haven't wasted that much money as we have recouped it .
However I would prefer far less players bought and more of own brought through.

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01 May 2016 23:38:50
Honestly, I've heard it all now. It was the weather and Rangers that were to blame for Bangura and Balde's ability, or lack there of. I'm pretty sure we can blame the SFA for Mouyokolo's glass knee/ s - and I know Shay Logan is to blame for Tonev being useless. Yep. Everyone's fault but ours.

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03 May 2016 00:58:22
Pp u misunderstood me, I was merely pointing out that it isn't easy attracting people to play in Scotland . I suppose u think that players prefer Scotland and it's weather conditions to Spain . I remember us signing Sceptovic and he wouldn't kick a ball for us but is scoring reasonably often in a Southern European League . There might be a reason why Italy Spain etc have better players than us and Norway etc.

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03 May 2016 01:54:31
So does Ukraine. It's got less to do with the weather, and more to do with money. But again, this isn't the point. None of this excuse how poor our recruitment has been. You need only look at the majority of that list.

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01 May 2016 07:57:04
Got to say congratulations to Ronny and the team for finally getting the title over the line. I've been very critical of Ronny and the team this season so it's only right to congratulate on this title victory. Watching that game yesterday left me wondering why half if not most of these players weren't putting in the shifts for the vast majority of our games this season when they clearly showed yesterday that they can actually perform. I think with a new manager coming in and if we can sign a maybe 3/ 4 decent quality players in key positions and if the new manager can get some of these players motoring again we'll be OK. For me when fit I'd like to see simonovic and sviatchenko in the centre of defence with Tierney at left back, we need a quality right back, wouldn't know where to start in midfield but defo need to reduce the amount of players we have that aren't in the picture and bring in a quality creative midfielder, and I'd like the new manager to go get us the best quality striker that we can afford/ attract to the club. For too long now we've penny pinched in this area bringing in mediocre players in the 1, 2 million bracket that aren't anywhere near good enough. When u think of the money in the last 2/ 3/ 4 years on puki, balde, bangura, scepovic, Cifti, Cole, Kazim Richards and no doubt there's a few I've missed, go get quality that we can attract rather than dross that clearly aren't good enough.

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01 May 2016 14:06:44
When watching the game yesterday I was thinking were some of these players not performing for most of the games for a reason or was it just the new system that made them look better or are they playing to keep there jobs for the new manager?

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01 May 2016 14:44:10
#DeilaMustStay.

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01 May 2016 18:43:53
scott brown looked like his old self and was thinking if him and other's in the team had played like that against the tribute act we would likely have won.

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01 May 2016 22:21:35
I don't think Richards should be grouped Cliftci, Cole and the rest . I am not sure but he played very well creating the goal against Ross County and he scored a very well taken goal against Hearts . He may have taken a bit of time getting up to speed but there could well be a footballer there .
However if we heavily criticise him& shout abuse we might not see much of a footballer.

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01 May 2016 07:28:10
As much as I'd like to think Paul Lambert would do us a good job, am sure he did an interview about a year ago saying he wouldn't want to put his family through him being Celtic manager.

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01 May 2016 02:28:35
Does anyone know when the league trophy will be presente? I thought it would be after the motherwell game but listening to ssn I got the impression it would be after the Aberdeen game.

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