Celtic Banter Archive January 01 2015

 

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01 Jan 2015 13:10:36
So fabio capello has said that celtic have lost the "fear factor" since wee ronnys bn appointed. Al tell ye wit fabio soon as ah see efe's name oan t team line up it sends ah shiver doon ma spine and start having cold sweats! Now that's fear factor lol

Aw t best to evry1 aswell and of course ed! ;)

HH

Chris1888

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As if we need Capello to tell us we are mediocre. The problem us will it get better? Every defender at Celtic not currently playing should chuck it if they aren't better than Ambrose.

Mcgreggor, 'The Subs Sub' is another man down IMO. Can anybody tell me about any of the academy players who have come through in the last few seasons who are not future Dunfermline type players?

Apart fae that everything's brilliant. :)

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Aye Fabio - same could be said about playing against Russia and England when you were in charge.

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We are only 16 hours into the new year and we are already ridiculing two of our players . What role has SMSM and our rivals forums left with .
I must be stupid, I thought that's what the media and opponents forums were for . I thought supporters were suppose to encourage .
The lunacy about ridiculing Ambrose is that he has been probably our best defender in most of our last four games. Why do some not like Ambrose, I wonder why?

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The fact we have ex-celts selling out for a few pieces of silver. We have a failed ex-manager of England ridiculing our team and what he thinks our inability to play at home, broadcast all over the MSSM, should be enough to encourage our supporters to try to encourage our players ( all of them) and our manager.
How can we expect to win anything if everywhere they look they find people condemning them and mocking them .
Everybody in all walks of life need some one to encourage them .

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Cant wait till day its "tally-ho" to ambrose. One of the worst defenders I have ever seen at celtic.

Never liked him as a player and it was even more when he came back from playing for nigeria and claimed he was fit for CL game. Had an absolute howler of a game. Lennon even commented on his game. Football is a team game and put himself first!

Mcgregor, overrated. Only reason he got run of games was cause we were short of right sided players.

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Chris 02 I admire your policy of defending celtic and all costs. However if you are happy to settle for and believe that Mr ambrose is anywhere near good enough to play for celtic then I'm sorry but that's where I have to totally disagree with you. And as for Mr Cappello being shot down in flames as a failed ex England manager. This is a man who has achieved a lot in the game and all he is saying is fact. For the past 2 years in Scotland and in Europe celtic park hasn't been the same fortress that's not a derogatory comment it's just fact. Much as it pains me to say. And I don't think I'm being negative in saying that. Just honest.

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If ex players are praising them they are not after pieces of sliver? And if they were playing well enough would they be ridiculed? Has the ex english manager spoke lies about teams fearing travelling to CP?
Inverness scored 3 against Ross County today!.

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Gabbybhoy why do you think your much admired friend was quoted in the Scottish media, his comments about Celtic .
One reason and one reason only, to affect the confidence of the Celtic team and the Celtic supporters . Are some of the Celtic fans helping the SMSM to ridicule Celtic or is it the media who is helping these fans .
DN you are right Ambrose didn't have a great game against Juventus, a mistake was made .
Do you know that a Northern Ireland player after playing some where in Eastern Europe got four hours sleep, flew back to Heathrow, got a taxi to Nottingham and played well for his club. Sometimes these things work out sometimes they don't . I know you don't rate Ambrose, but considering the abuse he gets on Celtic forums and from the so called Celtic fans on the terraces, he has to have some self belief to be able to play at all . How much better could he be if he didn't have to listen to such rubbish and read it .

I wonder if some of our abusive friends had sons or other family members playing would they like to read and hear the abuse that is handed out to Ambrose and others to their relatives .

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Here we go again with abusing Ambrose, for the previous two seasons he was part of veery strong defences last year with Virgil and even more so with kelvin Wilson. If people were fair about e defensive defences they would be considering whether it is a managerial issue. If RD can't sort it then maybe we need a defensive coach, I don't think John Kennedy amasses the experience necessary due to unfortunate circumstances.

While I am on the management issue I think it is reasonable now to expect the team to be fully aware and understand the managers philosophy. If they can't after six months then I suspect this is a failure on RDs part and his methods are overly sophisticated. Football after all is a simple game. In my view successful Celtic managers have always been pragmatists, Big Jock, Caesar, MON, WGS and Lenny. The dreamers and romantics John Barnes, Tony Mowbray and DR Jo fall by the wayside usually after inflicting significant damage to the club. I fear the new man may be in the latter category, although I hope this is not the case

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{Ed007's Note - I'd put Stein as the biggest dreamer and romanticist of them all.}

Capello has done well at clubs with superstars already there. England and Russia don't have superstars so he has failed.

As for ICT scoring against Ross county, well I bet you they didn't play Mega Ultra Defensive and actually went for the win seeing as there playing at home and also everyone raises there game against Celtic. They sure as hell don't against everyone else.

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Inverness scoring 3 against Ross County today has absolutely no bearing on Celtic not been able to score against Ross County' s ten men defence last week . I suspect Ross County thought they had a chance of picking up some points today and played some midfielders and attackers. I also suspect you knew that too .

Capello has his own agenda in talking down Celtic . We know the Scottish media love to spread to and enhance it.
But, God, why should Celtic fans also spread it and build on it . Are we not mean't to try and help and encourage our team, instead of spread Italian's propaganda to make the task against Inter Milan even harder .

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{Ed007's Note - Capello is a footballing dinosaur who's never moved on from the 90s. Compare him to managers like Wenger, van Gaal or Ancelotti and the Italian falls into the same bracket as Berti Vogts and Advocaat, they never moved with the times and got left behind.
When Capello took over at Madrid for the second time in 2006 |-) he started saying things like 'the beauty of attacking plays was finished' and 'the days of playing beautifully are over'.
It's a bit of a touchy subject with me, I despise the man, he is an example of everything I hate in football - an Italian Walter Smith.}

Chris who is my admired friend. A guy has made a point that I agree with. Celtic park is not a fortress at this moment. That's my opinion. Nothing to do with media. And I presume gabby Bhoy was a typo.

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And you would be wrong ED he had a vision but he knew how to deliver it. His football was beautiful but based upon power pace and discipline.

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{Ed007's Note - If a dream comes true it was still a dream. You've obviously not read too much about the club during Stein's time or about Stein himself. So Stein had a vision, not a dream?

From the creativity perspective, dreams and vision are about seeing what has not yet manifested. It is to see that which does not yet exist. Dreams and visions are very much related to each other and often are used interchangeably. However, there is a difference. A dream as defined in the Releasing Your Unlimited Creativity material is a a cherished idea or concept of something, or some situation, that for the individual, is of seemingly unreal beauty and charm that one can couple with a passionate desire to express in the world. A vision is a form of a dream but different in two ways.

One way a vision is different than a dream is that it is accompanied by a knowing that what is seen is a real possibility if there is the willingness to do what is necessary to create it. The main difference between a dream and a vision is a dream is of a world that does not exist and may seem fanciful and may or may not be possible to manifest for one reason or another. A vision is much like a dream but there is a knowing which accompanies the vision. However a vision is totally possible and all that stands in the way is the desire to create it. A vision acts as a guiding light in one’s life. Vision is the ability to see beyond what one has experienced.. It is to literally and figuratively see into the unknown and what lies before us and/or what is possible to create. It is to know the vision is totally possible to manifest if the individual has the passion and strength of will to create it. But it is not a strength of will of the mind to act but the strength of will to surrender to do what needs to be done to bring that vision into manifestation. Manifesting a vision is about getting out of mind and surrendering to the flow of energy and process which will manifest the vision.

The second way a vision is different than a dream is a vision does not have the same kind of passion behind it as a dream. A vision is not personal. Although one may be passionate about creating it, it does not arises from a personal passion and attachments. The passion transcends the ego and a vision is often about well beyond doing for oneself. That is, the individual who is manifesting a vision is not necessarily, and usually not, the benefactor of a vision as in a dream. In this regard, visions usually have what can be called spiritual and/or altruistic overtones. Dreams usually fulfill personal desires or desires for oneself.

Both dreams and visions arise from an energy within As such, Creation it is possible to share a dream and/or vision. If the focus of two individuals’ attention and awareness are similar as in a joint intention and the individuals have the minimum set of experience to similarly characterize the energy, they may share a common vision. However, in generally, it is difficult for several individuals or a collective to hold a common vision. In general, a single individual will manifest a vision.

Holding a shared intention or a common goal or mission is not the same a holding a common vision. It needs to be remembered, a common intention, common goal or common mission is from the mind. The mind can use what it knows to communicate what it desires in holding that common intention, goal or mission. The issue with a vision is that it is of something not manifested. Mind does not have the experience to manifest a vision nor does it have the experience to explain what must be done to manifest it. If it did, it would not be a vision. It would simply be another idea of the mind.

It can be said vision have a way of being effectively grounded within the current environment we find ourselves. We may have to recreate our environment to bring that vision into full manifestation, but we can nevertheless begin to bring it into manifestation in our environment. In this regard, dreams are seen more a fanciful for there is no way is seen to ground the energy of the dream to bring them into existence within the current conditions of our life. Hence they are often seen as wishful thinking.

I think that should be enough to prove that I'm right.... again! (headbang)

Smith, Advocaat and Vogts worked wonders Ed for the . Cardigan trade :-)

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Ed are you Neil Doncaster? Thank you for your reply, I am afraid it has an esoteric nature and in relation to big jock we will have to disagree, I see him as a great pragmatist. Vision to see what could be, and the mental manipulation and imagination to fashion the plan to get there is what made him and Celtic great. Freams happen when you are asleep and remain on the pillow when you get up.

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{Ed007's Note - A pragmatist would never have worked with players like Jinky or Bertie Auld, how can you plan something if you don't know what certian components are going to do?
Herra was the pragmatist with his catenaccio style and Stein was the dreamer that wanted to play 'pure, beautiful, inventive football'. There's nothing to disagree with.}

Very true Ed .
I fear for Deila and for future managers of Celtic . Deila was ill prepared for managing Celtic . He would have known many sports media people would be out to destroy him but he would have expected some to be at least impartial in their dealings with him . He knew opposing fans would want him to fail. However he could not have been prepared for the large numbers of Celtic "fans" slaughtering him after him leading the Celtic team to top of the league, still in domestic cups and still in Europe at Christmas . He would have expected some plaudits for achieving that . If Deila leaves, after the way he has been bad mouthed by his "fans" can we really expect to be able to attract a young exciting ambitious manager .
Or would it be just a failed old dinasoir like Cappello .

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{Ed007's Note - There'll be an ex-player out there who would take the job, maybe even Collins, that would keep them happy. Remember I suggested Stubbs as Assistant Manager, folk now want him to get the managers job! 6 months in the Scottish Championship and he's good enough to manage CFC!}

Groutdoc I'm struggling to see how it is abusing ambrose. He is shockingly bad and has cost far too many mistakes and is getting worse and needs to go.

Daft statement attempting to cut him slack because he wasn't as bad a few seasons ago, what about the present?

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Chris 02 every time I log on to browse through the posts, I will come across one where I feel I have to reply you beat me to it and I thank you for standing up for celtic.As I said in a post the other day, some of the abuse directed at everything celtic from fans beggar belief, of course people are entitled to their opinion, but for me a lot of it is uncalled for.killy.

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We will need to disagree ed on big jock he was no dreamer a dreamer wouldn't have got the best out of the players you spoke about. DN30 Ambrose gets abuse at every home game, I pointed out he was better last season when we had a defensive coach and a manger who looked like he knew what he was doing and could plan to defend as well as attack. RD has a focus only on attacking and pays no attention to what teams can do to us. he seems naive in the extreme

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02 Jan 2015 17:52:54
Thanks Killie I appreciate your voice of reason . Thanks also to the editors for their impartiality .

Maybe if I could see how ridiculing and abusing the like of Ambrose or Deila would make me a good Celtic supporter I too could rant and rave against the board, the manager and player(s) . As supporters there isn't that much we can do to help. Supporters of other teams and Scottish media do there damnest to make success hard for us to get , why should we help.

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01 Jan 2015 12:56:01
Happy New Year to you Ed and to all hope you all and your family's have a good healthy and prosperous New Year

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{Ed007's Note - And to you Tony, all the best.}

I think this shows how blinkered our supporters can be with a very average manager who can only play 1 way.

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What do you mean they can only play one way . I have seen them score goals in each half, is that not playing two ways .?🐸🐸

I think that Deila is trying to get his team to play the way he wants them to play at their very best .
If and when he achieves that, then and only then can he develop other ways.
That dig against Deila has been highlighted already in the S M, who we all know don't like Celtic .

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01 Jan 2015 12:25:07
If we do go into the game this evening in second place, I hope it acts as the much needed kick in the pants the players deserve for letting the lead slip in recent weeks. the required reaction then serious questions will be asked and more doubt will set in about our season.
Stokes is missing, so it should give Griffiths another chance to show why he should be in the team while Guidetti needs a goal as struggles for confidence and form and Forrest too is overdue a decent game.
RD and the players have had a week to prepare so there are no excuses for another poor display.
Although I am a bit nervy, I am looking forward to the Ne'erday Glasgow Derby and hoping for a good win.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm at CP right now (12.43) and I'm hearing that the game could be called off because of a water-logged pitch, no joke.....}

01 Jan 2015 13:37:20
Game off. Bad day when your pitch can't handle a night of heavy rain

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Effin 2015 and still waterlogged pitches! That is astonishing and makes me want dig out my 'Conspiracy Diary'.
I don't know how Jan fixtures pan out and if this will be a blessing or a curse?

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{Ed007's Note - Google HAARP technology (rain)

Totally agree Gunniebhoy a mean ffs! what is this at best surface water? Shows you how penny pinching our league has become not prepared to pay anyone double or treble time to drain

No excuses here folks it was a tea time k o!

Pitch could easily been forked / drained BBC pics of the pitch don't look THAT bad either!

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Jags have a very long injury list .
I heard the ground staff wasn't well, so they called in a gardener . Sally blocked the drains .
That's what I heard .

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LOL Chris a like it but the only thing Fat Sally can block is the sun light :-)

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Jamiebhoy if he emptied his car of pie wrappings, they could do a lot of blocking .

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Aye true Chris but he was also recently involved in a nasty episode of "bed-blocking"! As the Phat Farm refused to take him :-)

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01 Jan 2015 11:43:25
A happy a healthy new year to the eds and all who contribute to the site and their families.a new year with high hopes of having a successful Celtic team we can all be proud of supporting.

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01 Jan 2015 03:36:36
I wished everyone on the site, including Eds, a Merry Christmas and two people deemed to disagree (why, I don't know and could care less). Now I am wishing EVERYONE a Happy New Year and wish you all you wish yourselves.
If anyone disagrees then feck off and go crawl back in to the primordial slime mankind developed from but you are included in original message.

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Calm Down Tim 😎

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Let us all make 2015 a positive year for Celtic Banter. So that members can come in here and feel good about our club . We can still get our daily doses of Celtic negatives and ridicule from the MSSM and forums of opposing teams .

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Calmed down now stb. Hope everyone had a good night and stayed sensible (well, as sensible as can be expected in Scotland on Hogmany). Looking forward to another great year if banter, controversy and the usual crisis from across the city. Hope all the Eds have a good year and retain their insanity to the right degree. aw rabiest and Hail Hail

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I see the usual suspects disagreed with the well wishes. Ach well, you have opinions and I respect your right to select that choice.

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