Celtic Banter Archive December 01 2015

 

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01 Dec 2015 21:14:59
Just saw Stokes has been suspended! There must be something going on we don't know about. We all know about the Commons incident, Scott Brown earlier in the year. All forgiven. So whilst Stokes should know better, has he behaved any worse than Commons and Brown?

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01 Dec 2015 22:12:30
Johnnymac . It could well be a case that the whole first team squad were brought together and told enough was enough and no further outbreaks of disrespect or bad behaviour would be accepted .
I also think that Stokes would have been given a severe warning regarding future conduct after his Elvis clash . I have no sympathy for him and I think Commons should have been chased too.

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02 Dec 2015 04:23:42
Johnnymac from what i know before this post it is his behaviour off the field that is the issue. Personally I've always thought he is not good enough for team, but he is a hell of a lot better than cifti.

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02 Dec 2015 09:04:37
I can totally understand his frustration as the United twins Armstrong and gms have been poor to be polite this season and he's been left to rot. I've seen you saying his nightlife is the issue but since an elvis punch I can't recall anything he has done wrong in his control in the media. If he's not wanted then Ronny and celtic should do the right thing and tell him to leave either on loan or permanently and reach a settlement as they should do with many other players at the club rather than hanging around with no chance of game time .

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02 Dec 2015 11:29:38
They want him off the payroll, simple as really. They'll chase him out just like the did big Bobo Balde. I think he's being punished all season for not leaving during the summer. While he's no superstar, he as does everyone, deserves a fair crack of the whip. He is being demonised. No one can say he's not better than some of the passengers we've played so far this year.

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02 Dec 2015 11:33:05
It's obviously because Stokes has so much previous they've said enough! His attitude has been a disgrace pretty much since he came back, I've heard loads and loads of Stories about him out with the 3 main ones that were all over the papers - Elvis incident, Alan Ryan funeral, and singing up on the stage in the boozer on the Fall's Road. It's terrible PR for the club. Right back to leaving Arsenal at 16, he done nothing at Sunderland, and I can't think of 1 goal he has scored for us in a big game. His record in Europe is absolutely awful, he hasn't scored against the other mob for us, he's basically our version of Kris Boyd - all his goals come against teams that players worth 100k score against!

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02 Dec 2015 11:44:45
The problems go back to NLs time and he does bring a lot of negative headlines we don't need.
Another case of a very fortunate guy who got a golden opportunity at his boyhood favourites and totally blew it.
I would welcome a clear out in January or the summer at the latest and let him go along with Commons, Boerigter, Scepovic, Forrest and send Blacket back as well.
Freeing up funds for better talent or improved contracts for consistent performers.
If Kieran Tierney continues to remind me of Danny McGrain at his peak, I can see a future captain of Celtic to replace Brown as and when required.

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02 Dec 2015 13:25:45
I agree about those players moving in Jan. It is vital we get about 5 out, and 3 players in that will walk straight into the team. A top centre half, and top striker are the 2 main ones. We need players settled for the qualifiers, especially with the Euro's coming up.

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02 Dec 2015 17:07:41
Send Stokes to Hibs in Jan IMO he out of contract at the end of the season so his time is up anyway, hopefully help his former club ;-)

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02 Dec 2015 17:48:20
Once again RD showing his weakness as a manager, suspending a player he won't play and which won't stir too much discontentment. Easy option from a weak and tactical inept excuse of a man.

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02 Dec 2015 18:46:28
He was lucky he wasn't sacked after the Elvis incident, he certainly would have received a severe warning . Alan Ryan was a complete non story . In Ireland we attend family friend's funerals and party after it . That is the natural thing to do and either people who don't understand or who want to get a dig at him or the club made a fuss . Singing in the bar co- owned by his agent and Paddy McCourt, no big deal
The friends in the pub were not complaining and enjoyed it . He didn't bring the club into disrepute although the journalist or the so called fan that published did their best
However Stokes knew he was on a sticky wicket & should have had manners on Sunday . His form has slipped sinced the Elvis episode and he doesn't seem to want to be here, most people wanted rid of him, now he has become particularly useful to those who want to knock the club .

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02 Dec 2015 19:06:49
Stokes for me is a decent SPFL player and if he played every week would be a 20 goal a season man.
I know he has not cut it in Europe but so have others struggled, and its clear to all and sundry he is better with a partner.
So from a purely football perspective is Ronny cutting his nose off to spite his face as its possible he could strike a partnership with LG.
My worry here is that if we were lucky enough to get a good striker in Jan and he managed somehow to make a great partnership with LG what would Ronny do?
Wud he bench 1 all the time and bring him on.
Or would he play both and change the system god forbid.
Interesting times me thinks, thought guys.

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02 Dec 2015 19:21:57
How do you know his form has slipped old bhoy when RD doesn't play him, instead sticking to the non events he's had a part in signing GMS Armstrong Ciftci.
The man's so far up his own a#se he's beating his tonsils out of the way to get a breath.

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02 Dec 2015 19:47:13
If I remember correctly Stokes did have a brief partnership with Griffiths under NL and it worked well.
He seemed to be in RDs plans last season but subsequently lost his place and indiscipline and boredom has set in and like Commons I don't think he respects RD.
It's a shame as he has an eye for goal in the SPL and is a better option than Armstrong out left - where he did some good work in previous seasons.
I doubt he will play again under the current management team but he should have screwed the nut and knuckled down - as he is better than some, in the squad.

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02 Dec 2015 21:01:26
Old Bhoy I think the club wanted to distance themselves from sectarian singing which he was alleged to have been doing and poor judgement being present at a convicted terrorist memorial service is poor judgement on his part.

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{Ed007's Note - That's just garbage, it was only a problem to twisted bigots as he was at a funeral of a close family friend, Stokes is hardly the only footballer to have questionable acquaintances.}

02 Dec 2015 22:01:08
Thanks Ed007 . Some people want to find fault at times and some of our "fans" jump on the band wagon .
Others see every action the club and every thing Ronny does as completely wrong . some of us have no middle ground and just ridicule Deila and every decision he makes.

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{Ed007's Note - Two weeks ago Stokes was on everyone's list for exiting and suddenly he should be back in the team, some people just use any excuse to take a pop at the manager.}

02 Dec 2015 22:41:28
Him with the FOUR exclamations mark is a regular poster on the zombie page Ed/Old bhoy had a pop at me before

Then a laughed last year when I seen him own to his "own" Ed is it 039? claiming (wait for it)

Celtic were CHEATING! in purchasing GMS and Armstrong diminishing Utd's chance of winning he was quickly shot down by his "own" Ed

He ain't no Celtic fan! (y)

You slipping bond you usually spot these imposters lol? (y)

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{Ed007's Note - I know who Ryan is, Jamie, he's posted on here before and always been decent as far as I can remember.}

02 Dec 2015 23:01:38
Fair enough Ed, Just did not want my good friend Chris thinking a fellow Tim was at the undermine/derail :-D (y)

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02 Dec 2015 23:30:11
TTTS its a shame the previous manager left Deila with mess of Stokes situation to clear up. He is simply not good enough to play for club. Tallyho sooner the better.

Ryan! Although i am totally aganist sectarianism, did it ever occur to you that people who were involved in both sides of the fence may have families/friends who want to mourn their loss? Stupid statement.

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03 Dec 2015 02:23:08
TTTS your desperation already reeked, now it just smells rancid.

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03 Dec 2015 03:12:03
Both of you tell me why ciftci should be in the team before Stokes?
football ways that is, not this moral highground that is cherry picked by those who have an agenda that goes beyond ability.

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{Ed001's Note - surely it is obvious Stokes has already proven he is not good enough, Ciftci might well turn out to be good enough when he gets settled? I am sorry but anyone calling for Stokes to be in any team needs help. He is utter dross and a should be playing in the non leagues, though he might struggle to find a team that would put up with his trouble making ways, as a lot of people have something you clearly have none of: morals.}

03 Dec 2015 14:06:16
Me with the! I only said from the clubs point a view they would want to distance themselves from his antics I personally couldn't care less what songs he signs and who his friends are! i don't recall having a go at u Jamie feel free to tell me? i don't come on to annoy anyone and start a wind up that was just my opinion of the possibly the clubs look on it!

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03 Dec 2015 14:09:36
A wasnt tryin to claim to be a Celtic fan Jamie your ed is not slipping at all he let me post and felt Ma post was garbage am fine wae that that was just Ma thoughts Those r his ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ.

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{Ed007's Note - Do you take a lot of interest in CFC players' personal lives, Ryan?}

03 Dec 2015 14:35:10
No mate I do not I just recall the stories I totally accept that all players of any clubs could have friends others mite find unsuitable!

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{Ed007's Note - Good lad, it's nice to see you keeping track of what CFC players have done, in years to come your grandkids will be delighted you know so much about their teams history. :=o

03 Dec 2015 14:57:44
Lol Not bad ed! I'll give u this 1 ๐Ÿ˜‚.

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03 Dec 2015 15:13:03
On another note that Jamie lad made that nonsense up i reckon! can't say I've ever said signing a player from a team in the same league is cheating it's happened for as long as I've watched football!

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03 Dec 2015 16:51:02
I never made that up! I remember it well! I am sure it could be easily checked

I seem to have upset that many of you lot on here over the piece I like to remember! my good friend Timalloy gets a little upset when the sevco fans like your self hit the dislike on his posts because he ventures over to your page.

me on the other hand there was yourself, then freguson6, teddy bear blue, royal bear even Cee (who is one of your decent posters! ) btw who chose to have a "pop" I feel for 007 on these occasions I really do he must have to sift through some Bile some right choite! does not need to hit the "text deleted" button to save my feelings. I am not the "shrinking violet" type!

I remembered you as my oldest godson has the same Christian name as you!

For the avoidance of doubt I was not addressing you in the post I was pointing out that you were NOT a Celtic fan to clear up that confusion!

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03 Dec 2015 16:57:11
And another thing! a never said a player a said TWO players can you not count?

Don't get our Ed started on "blaming the schools" because I sing from "the same hymn sheet" on that :-D.

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03 Dec 2015 18:49:42
Well u check away mate I don't recall and as for timaloy I've had many a banter with him I don't disagree with anyone's posts if a don't agree I would happily say y! as for the 2 ex Dundee Utd players u signed I for 1 didn't see the problem with it therefore I doubt I was involved! just need to agree to disagree unless u can prove me wrong I would gladly apologise!

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03 Dec 2015 19:09:39
It would take Ed 039 to scroll back and check to see what you posted but am right only he can see what you have posted be lovely of him to do so to settle the argument but not sure how far back he can go

But let me get this right as a sevco fan you can remember what CFC players get up to but you cannot remember what you post?

Well that just brings me back to the schooling issue!

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{Ed007's Note - You can use the search function.}

03 Dec 2015 19:14:48
Ed can I ask are you reading that last post of Ryan's like me " I don't disagree if a don't agree" pmsl how do you NOT disagree if you don't agree ffs!?

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03 Dec 2015 19:25:55
Thanks Ed, I already tried the search mate could only see his last 5 :- ( and I had you down as many a thing Ed but "fence sitting" a will need to add :-O (y)

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{Ed007's Note - You can search for certain words or names that goes back a lot further but try searching for this: 02 Feb 2015 22:37:17

03 Dec 2015 19:37:06
I meant to have hit in there! i don't hit the disagree button as u where saying! if a don't agree with a post I'll happily leave a comment! slight error on my part hee haw up with my schooling I've done ok in life!

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03 Dec 2015 19:51:14
Fair play Ryan (y) , you joined the thread of the subject matter it was not your OP

Thanks for your assistance Ed (y)

As my auld Grandfather would say "Might not always be right, am just never wrong" :-D.

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{Ed007's Note - I just searched for GMS a list of threads with that in it came up.}

03 Dec 2015 19:55:55
Thanks ed that clears it up for me i knew I wouldn't have called Celtic cheats for signing both players when my opinion at the time was its a good deal for Dundee Utd! jamies issue is with someone else! my issue was with my own teams shocking performance in the semi final against Celtic!

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03 Dec 2015 20:02:40
My memory is good mate! if a had a go at u I would remember a don't have a go at many bar chris02 but don't think a was alone there! cheers ed๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฟ.

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03 Dec 2015 20:18:06
Oooft for ffs Ryan maybe you have got a good memory right (y) ATB JB7.

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03 Dec 2015 20:41:50
I'm interested to know ed 1 how you come to the conclusion I've no morals? .
The point I was making here is a few are quick to jump on the moral band wagon and turn a blind eye when it suits when it comes to more favourable players.
As for Stokes he's more than capable of playing in the Scottish top flight and has proven it.

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{Ed001's Note - Stokes is crap, he always will be a waste of space. As for morals, you make it clear how few you have by your defence of a disgusting waste of air.}

03 Dec 2015 20:48:36
Don't get angry because u where proved wrong! i hold no grudge ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.

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03 Dec 2015 21:26:18
Lol I am not angry, "you wouldn't like it if I turned angry" I turn GREEN lol and that's not the Chuckles one I miss so much (y)

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03 Dec 2015 21:29:07
There you go, that's me put in my place.

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03 Dec 2015 22:02:52
TTTS - if he wasn't Irish and a Celtic fan u would of been calling for him to be sold a long time ago. He's a terrible player with a terrible attitude.

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04 Dec 2015 03:30:55
And Gerry plays the race card. OK Gerry if GMS and Armstrong weren't Scottish would they be as popular on this forum? .
I'm simply saying that Stokes is a better option than any of the mentioned, is that so hard to grasp. It's got eff all to do with where he comes from.
ps, there's 2 directors at the club from the island you speak of, I would rejoice if they left the club.

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01 Dec 2015 20:23:04
Re the ohallaron rumours and the general topic of buying scottish based players the cf position at youth development level is probably our weakest dept. . and the only striker I would take a punt on is Cummings of hibs . but in all other areas we have some great talent. tierney is looking the part but we also have mcilduff at left back who looks the part . Kellerhar at cb breslin in Def mid. nesbitt manus . miller. Thompson mid .15 year old right winger Archibald looked great against puskas and 16 to ralston gearing good revues at Queen park . and that's just of the top of my head . we have Allen and christie mogregor henderson so the young scottish tagent is here. a seasoned pro in defence and attack then we have a spine we can start to build on with these youngsters . but rd and us the fans have got to be brave and willing to give them a space to grow.

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01 Dec 2015 20:58:59
Really good point. As supporters we generally get excited for young players and like to give them a chance, more than most others so should we give more a chance? Would we be happy with that instead of buying new players in Jan?

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01 Dec 2015 23:42:00
I would, its important to not chuck them all in to early but i'd hate to see us sign just for the sake of it and hold potential youngsters back!

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02 Dec 2015 15:33:05
It would be great if these youngsters really had the talent to make the step up. I'm not I'm favour of buying the best players from the other clubs in our league for the main reason that we need teams to be strong to compete with us and (dare I say it) Sevco next season. However come transfer time we all like to see some activity to get us excited. Unfortunately more often than not lately it has been a let down.

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02 Dec 2015 18:49:52
I think Deila looks like a manager to bring through the youth .
Our managers in the recent pass seemed to be reluctant to give youth a go. Maybe the Board didn't encourage it but I think over the next couple of years we will become a very good young Scottish based team .

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01 Dec 2015 19:47:54
Generally I'm a positive person and like to be optimistic but a few things have concernd me in the last few months as well as the pish that we have seen on the field

Most recently we have had stokes and his outburst, also had commons and his rant at getting subbed. Indiscipline? Players feel like They can act however they want with little or no respect for the management. Not that I disagree with them but any professional in their job has a way of going about things if they are aren't happy and it ain't by throwing the doll out the pram.

Loads of people saying that we are buying poor players and why are we buying the players from other scottish teams. Short memory for some but we have previously bought from scottish teams and not done too badly. Remember Presley, Hartley, Robson, I dreaded it when we bought them but they did a decent job. Go back further with brownie, Scott McDonald, even McNamara we have bought previously from scottish clubs and did ok and we didn't moan about it. I'm sure most people are the same that we are happy to buy from scottish clubs for their good players but now it is with potential as opposed to current ability/ experience.

I agree that there is no point in getting rid of rd as nobody better out there that would want it but I do think we could have done with a more experienced person helping out above him. Strachan and mon were managers not head coaches I believe so had more of a say in general for the club, maybe that's where we have gone wrong? Should we have a manager instead of a head coach?

Random post but thought i would share my inner most thoughts lol. Also been to the Xmas market and had a few mulled ciders which may be affecting my mind. Hic :)

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02 Dec 2015 18:53:53
Marty88 You are right and have listed some very good Scottish based players we signed . We also signed many that didn't make the step up to a big club . That will always happen and nobody seems to have the magic wand to ensure everyone they sign step up to the mark and does well.

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01 Dec 2015 13:40:24
hows you limpy still goat yur 2 legs>.

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{Ed007's Note - Aye, just!}

01 Dec 2015 15:31:24
you no talkin edo?

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{Ed001's Note - he has gone for a limp, takes him 3 hours just to get to the end of the road, so he could be gone a while.....}

01 Dec 2015 14:55:48
I know it's paper talk but O'Halloran from St Johnstone. This has to be a complete joke.

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01 Dec 2015 16:06:15
I'd rather have Ciftci!

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01 Dec 2015 16:27:37
He was on the books before and we let him go and I think his father was a coach at Celtic?
Nevertheless, if it's true, it underlines how lazy we are getting in our scouting and how standards are dropping.
What happened with the links we had with Barcelona when Crosas came over or even our Scandinavian scouting?
A club of our size and resources should be forging and maintaining the links that brought The likes of Ki, Rogic, VVD, Nakamura, Bitton and Izzaguire etc.

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01 Dec 2015 17:51:08
I remember the time when the great Jock Stein signed Scottish based players almost exclusively . Some of these did very well for us, and some seemed to be over whelmed in joining Celtic . It doesn't matter where we source them, the one thing we want is more of them to perform well for Celtic ( compared to recent years )

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01 Dec 2015 19:17:25
Oldhoy, in Jock Stein's time the standard in Scottish football was far higher than it is today, in those days Scottish players were sought after, look at how many of them played in England.
In my opinion we are only looking at Scottish players because they are cheap, we should be looking far wider afield.
This current regime running the club is past a joke, they seem intent on driving away the fans that are left.
I wish they would tell us what their ambitions for the club really are.

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01 Dec 2015 19:53:43
Gerry c agree with most of your post it's spot on, were I would disagree, it's not what their ambitions for the club we need to know, it's their ambitions for themselves were the danger lies.

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01 Dec 2015 19:55:07
Fine to buy good young scottish players but they ain't ready yet for the first team. Buy them and put them out on loan like we have with christie that way they can prove themselves as more than one season wonders and also get first team football. We still need to buy ready to play players who will make an immediate impact on the team.

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01 Dec 2015 20:48:03
In jocks day we almost exclusively dealt in Scotland and England and there was not the huge gulf between Celtic and the rest of the teams that there is these days.
Transfers abroad (or even from England) rarely happened.
I have no problem with signing scots talent but the recent raid on Dundee Utd to grab three players, was pretty desperate in my opinion and we should be more select and precise in cherry picking real Celtic potential - not just flavour of the month in an average side.

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01 Dec 2015 22:40:59
We have posts upon posts condemning the standard of the majority of foreign players we have been signing. So it is reasonable to suggest that we, the fans, are not happy with shopping in the foreign markets . I think it is a brave step in the right direction by Deila to concentrate more fully on the local market . Nothing in football produces instant hits and I think we should encourage Deila and give him time .
We have a young team who are improving, I remember last season Gordon despite having Virgil and Denayer playing in front of him was making half a dozen saves every game . The talk this season has been the weakness of our central defence yet Gordon is practically letting every shot in for a goal.

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02 Dec 2015 07:47:51
Good, young, Scottish players? O'Halloran isn't good or young. Hopefully just paper p*sh.

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02 Dec 2015 13:38:37
TBH I thinks O'Halloran has improved massivley! Thinks he would bring something to the team. We are screaming out for someone to actually hit the byline that also has a decent delivery and he does just that. Have been keeping a close eye on him this season and he is a very consitant performer I'm not massivley keen on focusing soley on the Scottish market, but if I had to pick 1 player to bring into our squad. O'Halloran would be my pick and think he may suprise a few folk (IMO)

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02 Dec 2015 15:54:11
And if I had to choose a b*llock to lose it would be my right! That's all well and good Tompo but c'mon man, he's no better than what we have. At all. And they ain't as good as we should or could have.

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01 Dec 2015 01:44:32
Saidy Janko?

What's happened to this guy? I know he was injured but I didn't think it would have kept him out for as long as it has that's been months now I think.

Any idea Ed exactly the problem with him and when he'll be back?

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{Ed007's Note - I don't sorry. Didn't they say the injury was just a knock too? It'll be tough for him to keep a fit Lustig out the starting line-up so it might just be that, he is after all really only cover for Lustig just now.}

01 Dec 2015 02:42:09
Cheers Ed.

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