Celtic Banter Archive August 01 2014

 

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01 Aug 2014 23:45:05
Think a lot of people will disagree here, just my own opinion, but I feel people are being very harsh on Efe Ambrose. We had an excellent defensive record last year with Efe, VVD and Fraser Forster at the heart of it. The boy has hardly had a break from football in the last 2 years and is still relatively young for a centre half, even though he looks older. I would say his main weakness is over confidence but that can be coached out of him at that age. I think this may stem a bit from the fact there is no competition for places at centre half, he knows if he is fit he will start no matter how badly he plays. Hardly his fault the board won't invest properly in the playing squad is it? My opinion is that he will get better with age and experience. For the money we got him for, 1.1M or so and the wages he is on, is there anyone out there that we could afford that would do a better job?

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The lad needs to be on the bench. It'll be good for him and the team imo. The problem is who we would play instead.

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@CW-88

Harsh on Efe, may I suggest that you review all the games during that record and tally up the amount of ridiculous errors he made and was bailed out by other defenders and the keeper.

Also, if it were not for the fact we were playing against poor SPL opposition that record would never have happened.

WAKE UP, EFE is a bombscare. He is no Centre Half. Time to have Lustig in there with Virgil.

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I think Efe and Mulgrew are always prone to make mistakes. Efe's defensive awareness is really poor at times and frequently folds when put under pressure. Also, VVD should not be above criticism for the shambles on Wednesday. His positional sense for most of the goals was shocking. In fact both centre backs were frequently split by Legia. I would like to see at least one new CB brought in of the stopper variety to play alongside VVD, (as well as the other 4 or 5 players we need!)

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It's time we bought a centre half not try and fit lustig in to an unfamiliar role we also need to play stokes and Griffith up front together as they had a good partnership together at the end of last season. When we sign players ronny wants then we can adopt his tactics until then we have to play a system that suits what we have.

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02 Aug 2014 16:55:42
Kev T I agree he does make errors but who else out there that we could afford that could do a better Job? Lustig in my opinion is a quality right back and shouldn't have to play centre back when it's not a natural position for him. You buy a right back to play right back, not centre half. Too many players wasted by being played out of position so I agree with jim1972 on that. The board are letting us all down by not investing in the squad. They want champions league football but don't want to pay the going rate for players who can compete or who could potentially compete at that level. If we get rid of the wage cap or increase it, chances are we would still have Hooper, Ledley and Samaras who can do a job at that level. On top of that there are always a few good players available on bosmans that we could probably attract to the club but wages rule them out.

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Its all opinions at the end of the day, I would prefer Matthews as RB as I think Lustig has the credentials to be a very good CB.

Agree with the natural position comments, Lustig would be my option purely because we won't spend money on a good CB and I like Matthews at RB.

We all have our likes and dislikes at Celtic.

I just cannot take to Efe or Stokes and haven't done since they signed.

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The problem with playing Lustig at centre back is that we are left with one less tall good defensive header of a ball and this could be a problem at set pieces

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01 Aug 2014 22:32:30
Quite Optimistic we can still qualify mid-week, early goal and it`s game on.

However if we don't, going to have very pissed off supporters, turning up at Celtic Park on opening day venting their anger towards the board.

Even though, he will know its not aimed at him, it will be the second time Fergus has had to unfurl the league flag to the sound of booing around the stadium.

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After what the man did for us ferguson deserves better than that and any person who boos should be ashamed. This should be a celebration not hijacked as a publicity stunt. We should acknowledge the team success last year and applaud the forethought that wee fergus had to save and improve the club. There are plenty of other occasions to indicate any negative feelings towards the current board.
Hail Hail

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Is this the same Fergus mcann that gave tommy burns an avg of 4m a season transfer kitty then told him if he wanted more players he'd have to go into his own pockets, then after rangers equalling 9 and going for 10, in the season when he was selling up and issuing shares he was able to give wim 10 mill approx in transfer money, we stop ten people think that's great he walks away with millions,, or am I being too cynical?

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TinyTim, your easily pleased if you think winning the league should be acknowledged as a successful season, IMO the team delivered the bare minimum required.
Still annoys me how easy it was for Aberdeen to knock us out the cup.

I have no doubt when Fergus unfurls the league flag that he and the team will be loudly applauded and rightly so.

I also have no doubt, if Ian Bankier, or P Lawell take the mike and deliver the usual patronizing guff, best fans/team blah blah, they won`t be heard due to a large majority of fans booing, and rightly so.

the clubs standard is falling at an alarming rate, it`s as if Peters starting to believe his new best friends at the SFA, that the championship is the place to be.

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This incoming season I think we will be delighted to win the league .

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01 Aug 2014 21:31:09
Big meltdown on twitter yesterday cause Griffiths posted a pic on Instagram with new shoes, across in Dublin our main striker in court -nowt. Talk about double standards

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Agree mate, shambolic that a footballer cannot live a normal life.

He should have been slaughtered for the state of the shoes though. Well stinky.

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01 Aug 2014 21:25:28
Can anyone tell me who our possible opponents would be in the play off rounds of the champions or Europa league?

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01 Aug 2014 20:29:52
Would we not be better going for Stevie May at least he knows how to score. Offer them Balde on a seasons loan get best out of both.

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I would have rather we signed Johnny Russell instead of Pukki and in hindsight May instead of Balde.

But its too late on that front, I am seriously worried about our team. I am praying it was just a really really bad one off and we turn up with a goal blitz in Murrayfield

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02 Aug 2014 09:56:28
Offer them balde and boriggter for may permanently tbh.

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01 Aug 2014 18:39:31
So there is only FOUR senior travelling to play Spurs Craig Gordon won't play, Efe Ambrose cannot play on Wednesday! Presume PUKKI is going to the finnish/Helsinki factor, Is Amidp going to get game time to gear up for weds? or being discounted, your thoughts folks?

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More importantly why bother even having the game?
What will we gain from a playing perspective?
Oh forgot, must be a little money in it for mr commonwealth

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Totally agree m8, why the hell would celtic want to play spurs in Helsinki in the first place? I know it's obviously to do with the money but surely we're not talking mega bucks here. Would suit RD and JC to be out on the training pitch with what will be his starting 11 against legia and make sure in no uncertain terms that the team play to his instructions that way there can be no excuses no confusion as to what's expected. Oh I and most importantly, remind them how to keep weans out a close, the defending last week was atrocious!

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R D has spent the day training the first team .

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01 Aug 2014 16:50:24
Just a thought folks.
For those of you who like the occasional punt and don't mind throwing a tenner at a long shot, how about that said tenner on Aberdeen to win the SPFL this season?
And before you shoot me down in flames I don't think they will but they are going to be much stronger this season and we could well be weaker than last season.

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More chance of counting SHEEP than winnings Chris atvb

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How can any Celtic fan bet against his own team?

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I enjoy a punt regular but won't be taking up your suggestion of putting a tenner on Aberdeen to win the league you are suggesting it but don't think they will, so if you have a tenner why don't you donate it to a worth while charity rather than the bookies satchel.killy.

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01 Aug 2014 21:33:19
Is this post for real? I suggest you drive across the city and offer to buy Sevco. You can do what you want with the other £9 for all we care. Did nobody ever tell you that there is a reason for 1 pay out window in the bookies and 5 pay in? They are thieves who let you use your own hands.

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01 Aug 2014 15:10:59
Firstly delighted to see JungleJim and Timaloy comments today I am also still raw from the events of the other night

I would like to offer up this as to where a think it started to go wrong the other night a think a said at the time Mulgrew had his worst game in a Celtic jersey and a stick by it but at the end of this am going to stick up for him because a hate when we turn on anybody but especially someone who is a Celtic fan by childhood, A think Mulgrew is someone in that dressing room until now who has has to big a say he was NL favourite, he was NL first signing a don't have much to say bad about NL but 1 of the 2 things that irked me (you could even hear him shout it on the telly mics ffs) was CHARLLLLEEEE CHARLLLEEEEEE he was giving him the instructions for others IMO, as Mrs E has pointed out we don't have many leaders as a few of the others who are also on here daily or bi-daily we lost a leader when we lost Joe Ledley! Our Leader Scott Brown is not the most articulate, nor vocal, in actual fact he likes a niggle but he is our captain

The point am trying to get too again as most of the reg contributors even Ed himself cannot figure is where Mulgrew (even Commons!) fits into this system of 4-3-3 a also think MULGREW HIMSELF must realise this too! he is in most of our opinions (a think) a great utility / squad player he is great with a dead ball situ!

The other night he lost us three goals and a pen (at least if a remember) it was his slack backpass that led to Efe getting sent off also! when it went wrong for him on a personal basis it went wrong with the influence he has/wields over the entire team! after all he was the leader the other night

However, having said this I think he will / he should get the chance to play on Wednesday night simply for this reason alone he IS a celtic supporter folks! and he will be hurting like hell for causing that escapade!

Much has been made about the connection to WGS and the Brataslavia game that is just garbage IMO a think we all now realise WGS was better than he got credit for but that game sadly lives well in my memory too that night our defence consisted of a goalie in Marshall (who knew Boruc was on the bench) Pau Telfer who had met up with the squad for that game and had been signed 48hrs earlier and made his own way there, Big Bobo who had never trained who had been negating his exit OUT of Celtic (remember he never had an agent) and a certain other new player Mo Camara! enough said

This thing with RD he has waxed lyrical about Commons and Mulgrew pre season and yet we cannot get the best player like Lubo ( a said like meaning nearest) to a new contract despite the fact that he has a desire to stay yet we can hand new contracts to Lustig & Izzy MINUS a manager?

But to play Commons through the middle RD is suppose to be an attacking coach he has assessed him over TWO months ffs! how on earth did he get deployed there? how on earth could he did not change we all know Commons is a spent force round about the 70 min mark but he is worth it!he was spent the other night in that role after 20 mins and a blind man could see it!

A hope we win a really do, to those who have faith a will side with you but having given up a great asset in that arena, to borrow a phrase "are we going to get the thunder" at murrayfield?

sorry for my rumble Ed had to get it off my chest but maybe that last line above about Murrayfield is our next poll mate?

ATVB JB7

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{Ed007's Note - I've passed that poll onto Ed001 for his Poll of the Day.}

Ed as ever much obliged ;-)

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{Ed007's Note - No worries.}

I agree with most of what ATVB JB7 has to say apart from his idea of playing Mulgrew next Wednesday night because he is a Celtic fan . There are many Celtic fans never get a game without playing someone who had a complete nightmare .

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If mulgrew is dropped, which I personally don't see happening, who do u want playing and in which positions? Personally I know he had an absolute shocker but there was a good few others who were nil and void on the night. For me mulgrew has to drop in beside VVD in place of ambrose. We don't have another player in my opinion that's decent enough to play there. Keep lustig out on the right, izzy on the left and for god sake play players in they're natural positions and play the 4-4-2. Forget that big Norwegian signing and get griffiths up top. I know he's not everyone's cup of tea right now but he's probably the most natural finisher at the club and at the end of the day it's goals next midweek that we desperately need!

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I'm a Celtic supporter should I be getting a game? Your post is ridiculous. Mulgrew has had one great season at CB and that is it, he's matured into a mediocre player and simply isn't good enough for us. He should never have been given captaincy and shouldn't be any where near the first team. And for those saying he should be a squad member? So paying a below average player to sit on the bench just in case is acceptable?

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Definitely Garry we do need to keep it simple on Wednesday and play to the players strengths, any formation experiments need to be kept until Ronny has a team that can play that way.

A 4-1 defeat speaks much louder than any talk straight out of a football manager manual ever will.

Can't see Mulgrew getting dropped.

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Well a nice narrow minded response from Toprig would have typed/suggested that they could call upon all of us to play not just YOU, point a was trying to make was like him or not give him the chance to rectify it! as I think I aired HE IS the voice in that squad, to suggest our VICE captain is not good enough to be a squad player? teeters into the realms of a retort as to who is being ridiculous now? atb jb7

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01 Aug 2014 14:41:40
For the record I don't like the boy as I think he's a diving wee sod, but with the lack of speed of Commons in mind in CAM, lack of wide players and lack of investment would Petr Pawlett (Aberdeen) maybe be a shout. Not seen much of him apart from when we have played them but ripped us apart in last 2 games and still young!?

Thoughts?

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Tompo88 right club, wrong man bud, Niall McGinn we gave him away pal! when Craig Brown snapped him up and deployed him upfront my estimation of CB soared, Craig Levein was on BBC Scotland one night declaring he was that quick he broke the sound barrier lol! How stupid on NL to bear a grudge every time / every season he comes he scores against us and is apologetic in doing so if C Mulgrew back a hope he does mate,

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01 Aug 2014 13:34:26
After the cold light of day, I don't feel much better about my team our new boss and the season ahead.
If the return leg was at Celtic Park, I would gee myself up as we always do and hope for a huge performance - but it's at Murrayfield and we do not look capable of keeping a clean sheet - in fact the manager does not seem to know our best defensive formation or tactics and the players are showing this lack of confidence/leadership in their performances.
Like last season Efe has come back off an International tournament really out of sorts and like last season we have failed miserably to invest in the squad while our top players are being touted to imminently leave and further diminish the squad.
I know this is still our pre-season, but we should have learned from last seasons stuttering start - especially with a brand new manger/back-up staff.

When WGS took over, there was the culture shock of transition and the nightmare in Bratislava; but Strachan had much more experience and savvy than Ronny appears to have and it worries me.
Years of successive cuts in quality and class have finally caught up with us, to be perfectly honest and it guts me to admit, this group of players do not belong anywhere near the Champions League.

It wasn't that long ago where we could expect some promising activity in the windows and could attract the makings of a very promising team; featuring in a lot of speculation and anticipation - that has all but vanished as we have become a quick-buck boutique for lower EPL teams, while we struggle to attract or sign anyone of real significance for our own fans.
It's become a vicious circle as in all honesty we are not the attractive proposition we should be.
Who's to blame?.

I totally blame Peter Lawell for reducing Celtic to this shambles and I know all about balancing the books and budgets etc etc; but Celtic means a hell of a lot to many, many people and that's the bottom line.
There is a limit to how much you can dilute a product before it turns into cheap imitation.

JJ

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Good post mate completly agree!

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Hail Hail

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The lack of spending by the board is one thing but I am not sure it explains the abysmal display on Wednesday night . Too many players had rotten performances and we didn't play as a team, nor had we sufficient players in certain areas of the field .

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Fed up hearing on several occasions about it being our pre-season. It ain't, ps means before competitive action commences. We've known since last yr when fixtures start. No excuses, look at the facts from the top, we're on a downward spiral n I just wonder about lawell in all this. Instead of being light yrs away from sevco, perceived competition is his aim, keep us just slightly ahead but enough to drag back the missing fans.
Question that should be asked of him is why the business side of club can't facilitate the football on park.

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01 Aug 2014 10:24:38
ED007 I see you think Celtic will still qualify, wish I had your confidence, I said last week legia were dangerous opponents and I think delia underestimated them.
My other thoughts are along the lines of all other Celtic fans, why is ambrose even in the squad, let alone getting a game, he has no positional sense, cannot defend, cannot pass and is always liable to make a mistake or get send off. If we the fans can see this why can't so called experienced football coaches?
Moving on to lawwell, am I correct in saying that his bonus payments are linked to celtic fc's bank balance (ie in the black) and NOT on how celtic perform ON the pitch, therefore lawwell has no incentive to release cash for players, he is simply looking after himself and not what is best for the club.
Lennon left because he knew he would not get much cash, lawwell has brought in delia, his POODLE, a YES MAN, who will simply do what he is told, sadly that is what I see from delia's comments and actions. delia is happy to take the crumbs offered by lawwell both are short changing us the Celtic fans.
If we go out of CL we lose about £20m+ because of lawwell and delia.

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How do you work that one out that its Delias fault? Apart from one signing bergen that is lennons team! Cut the guy a bit of slack!

We are a weakened side from last season and the absence of Scott Brown didn't do us any favours the other night.

It would of been interesting to note your view on the other nights game if lennon was still in charge, cause it would be no surprise if you had a different opinion!

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Maybe it was Lennon's eleven but Lennon would not have set up the team in such an extravagant attacking formation. For us to have been successful on Wednesday we would have needed to have been on the front foot all game, not allowing them a half second to clear the ball, either on the ball in their half, or tackling them deep into their own half and pressurising all through . However we hadn't the ability to do that and thus they got playing the ball in areas they wanted and we didn't .

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Yourman, it took lennon long enough to realise 4-5-1 doesn't work with squad at celtic. My point is, i'm sure Delia will soon realise 4-3-3 does not work.

Ambrose getting sent off only made matters worse, especially with our poor record playing away ties in europe.

Perhaps i'm being a bit optimistic, but I can see us turning result

Problem is squad Delia has inherited is not good enough apart from a few faces. i'm giving him my backing on basis of what he done with stromstegt and he has a rebuilding task ahead of him (even lennon commented about major rebuilding task ahead of him when he was linked with leaving celtic). But one thing I will say is, if he fails are we as celtic supporters going to let lawell get away with another dodgy appointment as manager?

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01 Aug 2014 10:53:06
I like the poll of the day today not the subject just the relevance! I voted yes we better hope young Leo fasan can step up once Gordon gets crocked and zaluska just being rubbish also gets dropped

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01 Aug 2014 09:44:09
I know the next game is Murray field, and we have it give the bhoys all our support and hope we go through. But if we don't why don't we not go to games and have a empty stadium and show the board where fed up been mugs! It's the only way forward is protest, lads and ed what you think? Something has to be done,

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I just don't know whether fan protest can be effective . All season ticket holders have already bought their tickets for Wednesday night and any staying away would just be seen like a poor attendance .

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Re joe ire what a great help that would be to the team on the park no fans .if you don't want to go stay in the house and leave the supporting of the team to the real celtic fans I for one will be there why because I'm a celtic fan.killy.

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