Celtic Banter Archive September 19 2016

19 Sep 2016 17:04:05
Ok bhoys, now the footy has really started there seems to be differing opinions over players, which is great! So, fantasy manager time. Generally speaking of course, what would everybody's first XI be to be played/ developed based on what we know?

DE VRIES
(I'd give him a few more games as he suits the managers plan, apparently)

GAMBOA
(Same, but leaving ML out was hard)

JOZO
(Think he's a quality prospect)

TOURE
(Bit leadership)

TIERNEY
(Nailed on really)

BROWN
(Same, playing the sweeper role he's become used to)

ROGIC
(Would like to see him at CM, liked him in that area against Rangers, better in possesion, creative, concerns over fitness still though a bit)

SINCLAIR
(Got goals in him)

ROBERTS
(Just having an off patch, I'd like to see him more central and advanced, beating the last defender)

GRIFFITHS
(Liked the idea of him as a RWF)

DEMBELE
(Quality prospect)

19 Sep 2016 17:33:54
would love a 424 with the players we have atm jim mines would be

DDV
LUSTIG TOURE ERIC/ JOZO TEIRNEY

BROWN ROGIC

ROBERTS SINCLAIR

GRIFF DEMBELE

Would leave us a bit more open but would run riot going forward i think.

19 Sep 2016 17:35:58
For me I would go.

Gordon

Gamboa simo toure tierney

Brown
Roberts sinclair
Griffiths>

Dembele.

19 Sep 2016 17:46:57
Griff didn't really start scoring until put in middle jim. I also think roberts slows a lot of ply down as he has to beat men rather than run away / past them his final ball / awareness of teammates needs improving imo I'd like another cm armstrong? Poss and still ease dembele in slowly.

19 Sep 2016 17:52:23
Gordon - although I am not a fan, I feel De Vries is Rank.
Lustig Simunovic Toure Tierney - Izzy for cover to stop KT burnout
Forrest Rogic Brown Armstrong Sinclair - Roberts is struggling lately
Griffiths/ Dembele
in my opinion Armstrong looks much better in central midfield than Bitton or McGregor and Forrest can rotate with Roberts, much the same as Dembele and Griffiths and we can play both strikers, switching to a back three to accommodate when possible?
I think this looks like the strongest available form team, but it is unlikely because BR would not want to leave out his new signings De Vries and Gamboa.

19 Sep 2016 17:58:33
Confident sparky? ;)

19 Sep 2016 18:59:46
Fair point DRB, just thinking how to get LG and MD in the side. Was thinking pretty versatile though, not a strict 2 up front as we'd get overrun. Griffiths dropping into that area but obviously looking to get up alongside MD, because in the box is where he's best.

19 Sep 2016 19:03:40
id go for

ter Stegen

Sergi
Ambrose
Umtiti
Alba

Iniesta (or Barton I hear he's free soon - there's no gulf in class between them two)
Busquets
André Gomes

Messi
Suarez
Neymar.

19 Sep 2016 20:15:05
Gordon
Lustig Erik jozo Tierney
Brown
Forrest rogic Armstrong sinclair
Griffiths
Would be our strongest 11 imo giving Rodgers preferred formation so far. would swap Armstrong for dembele if it's a 442 though.

19 Sep 2016 20:38:59
Soz Jim not stopped laffing at Gamboa at right back.
I would rather have Alan Hutton lol.

19 Sep 2016 21:45:23
Bhoywonder . The formation you have illustrated is surely is 4 2 2 2.
I am not sure on this season's form we could pick Paddy Roberts ahead of James Forrest . There seems to be a real reversal in their form, last season Roberts looked the real deal but this season he is struggling, whereas Forrest seems to have started this season like a new player .

19 Sep 2016 22:58:35
Forrest should be left to the birds and the bees. And any suggestion that Armstrong should start? Someone enjoys deep fried 🍄 🍄 too much.
Goal keeper required even a packie bonner standard.

19 Sep 2016 23:45:42
How on earth can you say you rather have alan Hutton over gamboa. He's played 1nce and your saying you'd rather have an ex-hun. shady opinion.

20 Sep 2016 00:21:46
Well you're not allowed rayman. It's my game, and Celtic players only.

20 Sep 2016 07:32:05
was 424 OB just marked out on page as 4222.

20 Sep 2016 11:14:18
In all seriousness rayman Gamboa is only in because of the way our full backs are set up. Lustig is a top pro and a bit of a cult hero of mine. However I've got doubts over his fitness at RB anyway, nevermind having to get up and down as much as BR asks. Lustig walks into a back 5 in Europe, as RCB, I just think Gamboa deserves a few more games before we write him off.

20 Sep 2016 11:45:06
How can anyone say they fancy Griffiths on the right wing? He was played there and when he didn't score people got on his back and said he wasn't good enough.

He's a central player but the reason he doesn't get took seriously is because he's not over 6ft tall. That's the only reason people wanted other guys in front of him.

Same happened with Guidetti and Griffiths was better than him then too.

20 Sep 2016 12:24:59
Well that's it Tesla, Dembele has the better physicality for the point of attack. I'm not talking about LG strictly as a right winger either, more just playing from that position, cutting in, and providing a partner for MD when appropriate. I think it's important to have in-game versatility within the XI.

20 Sep 2016 18:15:20
I think we need to break the bank in January or summer to bring in a top class goalkeeper, surely somewhere there is on who is just sitting on the bench or even vorm who iv heard mentioned a few times who's now third choice. But I think a realstic signing would be ward who was on loan at the sheep, who looked a class keeper and someone who could develop much like Forster did.

20 Sep 2016 22:56:43
Not wanting to be difficult Boywonder but why show 4 2 2 2 when you mean 4 2 4

Nothing serious but just wondering why, or was it wee slip up.

21 Sep 2016 12:43:11
Agree with the goalie scenario. Would have loved Vorm great addition that would've been with Fasan given the chance as back up. For what I've seen so far De Vries has got to be the worst keeper I've laid eyes on. Gordon with all his mistakes at least he can save the odd shot. Still think neither should be here next season.

21 Sep 2016 16:15:12
speak to Ed Old bhoy he's the fella that posted it that way, but i'm not wanting to be difficult ;)

{Ed007's Note - That's the way it was sent in, you need to use the proper format/spacing when trying to post teams in. I find putting --- in between players and pressing 'enter' after each line helps.
Ed003 did have a formation builder on the site that nobody used - that wasn't difficult either. ;-)

21 Sep 2016 17:00:29
Cheers Ed ill remember that in future, incase there's any more technical difficulties, Hope that helps Old Bhoy.

-----------------DDV-------
---------------------------------
LUSTIG--TOURE---ERIC/JOZO---TIERNEY---
------------------------------------------------
--------------BROWN--ROGIC-----
ROBERTS--------------------------SINCLAIR--
------------GRIFF----DEMBELE-----

{Ed007's Note - Was that what you meant? The way things are going today that probably won't have worked! :-D And I even corrected your spelling mistake in Tierney lol.}

21 Sep 2016 17:28:03
thats the one Ed, cheers, done that tierney mistake on purpose lol, just keeping you on your toes mate :)

{Ed007's Note - I thought that (yes)

22 Sep 2016 18:01:40
Fantastic, I knew we would get there in the end.

19 Sep 2016 11:49:39
Disgrace full refereeing yesterday - that should have been a straight red, and a 6 month ban - for the goalie (please)

19 Sep 2016 09:57:37
Hopefully O'Connell simunovic and boyata get runouts on wed and Saturday as I don't see any benefit to kolo as he's not had any positive impact so far and at 35 I only see a guy running down his career with a big fish in a small pond. I've never been convinced with Erik at the back as he is often out of position and his distribution is poor. I'm also fearful that Brendan will turn a blind eye to the goalkeeper as he's his signing as is kolo and that will look bad in his eyes and therefor persevere with them. It's fair to say lustig is our best rb and should play there at least until Gamboa settles in to the squad.

19 Sep 2016 10:21:40
totally disagree regarding kolo jim, the guy has steadied our defence and could see what he brings, if he was running down his career mate he couldve earned quadruple the cash he is on atm. defence looked lost yesterday without him imo, the keeper situation is a concern but will reserve judgement on DDV till he's played more than 4 games.

19 Sep 2016 10:55:28
How can you say he's steadied the defence when he has played in 8 competitive matches and hasn't kept a clean sheet in any of them? I'm not saying it's all his fault as I think the whole defence has actually been worse than last season regardless of cl qualification. I'm reasonably happy with our attacking options but our defensive midfield and defenders is a concern.

19 Sep 2016 11:18:49
Jeezo we get pumped of Barcelona and draw yesterday and everybodys all doom and gloom, because we haven't kept a clean sheet the defence is at fault, were going to get chances againt us jim because of the way we play now, but to say toure isn't better than what we had last yr is ridiculous imo, now your saying boyata should get another chance? why not bring efe back in also since they were last seasons back 2, unbeaten in the league so far and playing attacking football that leaves us open, seems some fans just need to have a scapegoat,

19 Sep 2016 11:30:24
Yes I do think boyata should get another chance as he's young enough to learn from mistakes with better coaching. At no point did I suggest playing efe so why mention him? I did mention O'Connell and simunovic which you ignored. I said I am reasonably happy with our attack but if they aren't firing it's important our defence bails them out which at present doesn't look likely do you think conceding goals in nearly every match is good? Even putting Barcelona aside. If you don't question them now when do you question them? when we get put out a domestic cup and say goodbye to another missed treble.

19 Sep 2016 11:37:34
Jim1972 apart from Boyata comment who I think could be Efe's twin brother agreed on your other 3 points. Not gloom and doom Bhoywonder but Still a question mark over big Erik the Viking for me. Nae pace, positional sense questionable and distribution as Jimbo said poor. Kolo-been a steadying influence at times but still a question mark for me as to what he gives us at 35 and certainly didn't think we'd bought Paul Elliot when I watched him. Goalkeeper unimpressive so far to say the least and thought of him playing in the Chapmions League gives me a squeaky bum but still to see if Brendan has humility to admit mistake and put Gordon back in in between the sticks. And last point in agreement with Jimbo Lustig is our best right back at the moment until if and when Gamboa proves different.

An last point in agreement with James.

19 Sep 2016 11:42:02
I agree about toure steading the ship - we would be beaten in the league and out of CL for sure without him.

possibly BR feels 1) he won't be here more than a season and 2) maybe he's "too big" a presence and therefore feels he needs to reign him in and get the long term (2 seasons) guys up to speed - or assess if we still need to buy there.

But he has already more than paid his wages getting us into the groups and his experience my be invaluable for O'Connell et al. Also possible coaching job whist he earns his badges.

19 Sep 2016 12:01:40
didnt ignore it jim but they weren't part of our defence last season, you stated our defence was better last season, i just don't agree with that pal, you want to see changes for alloa so let's bring in boyata who imo has done nothing since he has been here, and jozo who is just back after 8 months out, people on this forum have been saying for ages that lustig should be moved in one but as soon as we conceded yesterday he shouldn't be in CB position, so let's go with a back 4 of lustig, boyata, jozo, teirney, will you say the same if we get beat with they 4? and like i said ill reserve judgment on DDV and gamboa till they have played a good few games for us, same was said of sinclair when he signed and now according to some he's the new messiah, i also don't think we wouldve conceded the 2nd yesterday if toure was playing, but seems we fans just like a moan when we don't trounce teams by 4 or 5.

19 Sep 2016 12:04:47
Toures done well imo think he needs a settled partner been a bit chop changy he's had lustig young oconnel Erik and now jozo who I think should be the man and keep lustig at rb if fit the bhoy Gamboa looks a bit jankoish to me but he needs time.

19 Sep 2016 12:36:32
My final point on this for now, we are in the champions league not because of kolo but because of a great scoring match at home against hapoel the defence nearly blew it away.

19 Sep 2016 12:53:15
Got to agree Jim, BR has got us playing good attacking football and the addition of Dembele and Sinclair, plus the resurgence of Forrest has been very encouraging - as has Rogic's performances + LG.
However we have a lot more quantity in defense than quality and even a class act like Toure is finding the pace and pressure of games at Celtic a wee bit too much at his age.
However, surely we can find the right blend with a settled unit, between:- Gordon, De Vries, Fasan, Gamboa, Lustig, Toure, Simunovic, Boyata, Ambrose, O'Connell, Schiavchenko, Tierney and Izzaguire?!

19 Sep 2016 22:19:44
Some people don't want to be pleased . In nearly all our domestic games this season before yesterday we won every game with plenty to spare . We may have conceded a goal every game but I am sure any team with an emphasis on attacking and successful at attacking as we are don't consider the loss of a goal as the end of the road . I preferred us beating the Govan team by scoring five even though we did concede one, than a drab 1 nil game .
Surely we don't want our full backs to stay back and our two wide men to spend most of their time in our half.

19 Sep 2016 05:15:41
Poor perfotmance especially in defence.
Great teams have a great spine
Goalkeeper central defence central midfield and centre forward,

Only in the forward area do we look up to scratch

The goalkeeper looks particularly vunable we should give Fasan a chance
Sviatchenko is not fast enough the most important ablility needed today.
Bitton/ Macgregor are not up to the job.

19 Sep 2016 06:33:54
Got to agree, not been impressed by bitton so far this season, don't think mcgregors got it either. Sviatchenko is a decent player who had a bad game yesterday. Really don't know what to make of the keeper. That's 10 goals in 3 games we've conceded, granted the Barcelona game was always going to be difficult but the goals yesterday and against rangers are poor goals to be losing. As that game went on yesterday u could just sense an equiliser was coming. That said we had enough chances to win half a dozen games yesterday and if we don't take them then we run the risk of the opponent equalising. Maybe as a whole it's a point gained rather than 2 dropped as we should've been down to 10 men in the first half. If that decision had went against us during a game we'd be up in arms about it. Terrible decision by the ref.

19 Sep 2016 22:35:16
Will u wise up Gerryc we got hammered and conceded 7 of the 10 goals u moaned about whilst away to possibly the best team in the world, by a team that was worried enough to rest nearly whole team the previous week-end .
Sunday's game was strange we created chance after chance and could have scored 6/ 8, but had to be satisfied with 2. We conceded 2 from only 2 chances .
Not all sad Gerryc the third match was of the three u mentioned was the one played first, we beat the team that thinks they are our main rivals 5-1. I am sure u were happy with that, it bears more resemblance to our domestic season than the game against Barcelona or freak game yesterday.

20 Sep 2016 22:16:18
Not sure what your point is old boy, are u suggesting really that barcelona rested they're full team the previous week just because they were playing Celtic in the champions league? Sure the made changes for they're domestic game but get real, they're fringe players ( if u like) would more than give us a run for our money so I don't believe they're rested they're first team because as u put it ( they were worried to face us 😂😂. As for the Rangers game I'd personally have settled for 4-1 as I had a bet on it but yes I was delighted with that victory. The fact u mention we conceded 2 from 2 chances against Inverness and the fact we seem incapable right now of keeping a clean sheet, does that no concern u?

20 Sep 2016 23:13:34
The facts are Barcelona rested most of their players before our match .
Maybe they could have beaten us with squad players, and maybe not . Obviously Barcelona Manager had less confidence in his squad players than u Gerryc .
I wonder who knows these players best.

20 Sep 2016 23:19:49
I would be far more concerned if we were been cut open 6/ 8 times in matches and conceding 2 goals .
The fact that we limited a big strong ignorant team to just 2 chances pleased me well
To me Caley were lucky to score both, as usually even good teams don't convert every chance .
I will be quite happy if we limit our domestic opponents to 2 chances every game this season especially as B R will have us attacking non stop.

21 Sep 2016 06:49:53
It doesn't matter whether caley were lucky to creat 2 chances or not, the fact is they did get 2 chances and scored both. The bottom line is we shouldn't need to score 3/ 4/ 5 goals per game in order to make sure we win a game. I think you'll find either Rodgers or Davies in an after match interview said something similar. Sure it's great seeing a Celtic team creat so many chances and score loads of goals domestically but defending is also part of the game. All I'm saying is defensively we need to tighten up. I'm almost positive our management team will be saying the same thing, you think?

21 Sep 2016 14:08:40
Gerryc neither you or I have the right to decide the football philosophy of Celtic Football . Our Manager will be judged on how many points our team accumulates and competitions won and form in Europe .
Our manager and his assistants are building a new team and a new to them method of playing . It's inevitable that their will be teething problems with all the changes . It's better that we haven't ceased up scoring, than we are conceding mostly a goal a game . I am sure as time passes and B R becomes aware of his best team& best substitutes Celtic will concede less and less goals to that even you Gerryc will be satisfied . Rome wasnt built in a day.

21 Sep 2016 17:38:01
Old boy, are you one of these guys that has an opinion and that's all that counts? Am I not right in saying that this site is all about people's opinions on many different aspects of Celtic? Obviously u disagree with my post, that's perfectly fine but my opinion is my opinion and tough titty if u don't like it 😜.