19 Oct 2015 22:52:44
Ed do u know what the script with scepovic is? I thought that getafe had him on loan with an obligation to buy him not a view to buy him can u clarify please?
{Ed007's Note - Yeah the deal is that he will join Getafe next summer but they could also finalise it in January as the only reason the deal wasn't finalised was the time constraints of the Spanish window closing.}
20 Oct 2015 10:02:31
Any idea of the fee?
{Ed007's Note - It's round about the £1.3 - 1.5m mark.}
20 Oct 2015 13:54:37
Chers Ed. I know it's early but he's scored a goal per 130 mins in La Liga. Keep that up and Getafe will be laughing all the way to the cash point.
{Ed007's Note - It's Lawwell that should be laughing all the way to the bank after at least getting some money back on yet another awful John Park recommended striker to add to the list of his flops along with Balde, Bangura and Derk Boerrigter. Scepovic never wanted to come to Glasgow and made that crystal clear to his representatives, how do you expect a player to react to be living in a country he doesn't want to be in, playing for a club he didn't want to be at?
The important issue for me is that out of all that money wasted on fees, wages, signing-on fees, agent fees and tax etc we would have been in a better financial position if we had bought Finnbogason, even Jordan Rhodes would have cost less than the Balde, Bangura, Finnbogason and Scepovic deals combined.
Contrary to what was reported Rhoded did not cost Blackburn £8 million, that would have been the total price if Blackburn had been promoted and stayed in the EPL, it was also tied with how many goals Rhodes scored etc.
And just remember that very few transfer fees are paid in full, the majority of them are paid over the length of the contract signed. As an example, let's say we agreed a fee with Huddersfield for Rhodes for £6 million and a 5 year contract, that breaks down to £1.2 million per season we would pay - then you would work in some bonuses e.g. £400k for CL qualifying, £100k for Last 16 qualification, or £200k for EL qualifying etc etc The better Rhodes plays, the more goals he scores bringing the team more success and in turn earning Huddersfield more money
I keep saying it and I'll keep on saying it, until the board sanction signings of higher calibre - and higher wages - we're going to be taking chances with young mediocre players and blindly hoping that they improve.
We've got enough players already here of the same standard as those I've mentioned, Gordon, Ambrose, Forrest, Mulgrew, Commons is as one dimensional as the graffiti on the walls that says we're magic, his entire game has become get the ball, look up and shoot from anywhere. You can see the frustration on some of the other players who have worked to get into a good position only to see Commons blast it over from 25 yards - now that's OK if the player is regularly scoring from that area but Commons isn't, is it his lack of tactical understanding or is just his own personal greed that he will try shooting from anywhere in the hope it works once or twice a season.}
20 Oct 2015 16:19:22
I love an Ed rant!!
For all those that absolutely love Ronny there is so much doubt over his playing of Scepovic. Stefan was and is mince. Too timid, never looked interested. Let's remember that although we are sold that La Liga is a great standard Ronaldo and Messi have more than a goal a game ratio because more than 50% of the teams aren't up to much. Also Miku looked a player in La Liga but no matter how hard we try we can't forget about him. Gravesen signed from Real Madrid and was honking too.
Agreed with 90% of Eds post but feel it is a bit harsh on Commons. We aren't scoring enough goals at the moment and that is because we are trying to walk the ball into the net every week. At least Commons buys a ticket for the lottery although I agree it is frustrating that he hardly gets a single number!!
{Ed007's Note - Commons is just as much a part of the problem as anyone else for not scoring enough goals, He's so easy to defend against and any half intelligent defender will just stand off him inviting him to try and take you one or enticing him to shoot knowing 9 out 10 times it will be nowhere near the goal, Commons isn't a team player and his style of play impacts on the fluency of the rest of the play.}
20 Oct 2015 17:44:00
Hail hail to all of that Ed.
With the figures you mention and by the time you tot up all the add ons and fees we're at a loss on another forward. I thought we'd got a good player in Boerrigter but that's by the by. At this stage it can't just be injuries keeping him out the frame. The board need to change their transfer/wage policy or go. Too many players have been signed that have little or no impact - through either mis-scouting or the head coach not seeing them as part of their plans. People still go on about 5-6m or 40k a week being too much of a risk. Is it? We're already pissing money away buying 1-2m players. The lack of reinvestment for the few that do turn out to be decent us just another kick in the clems.
As for Commons, not harsh at all. Said many a time Niall his shoot on site policy is detrimental as it is beneficial. His conversion rate wpuld certainly set a few straight. Used to say tje same about Lampard. Scores some corkers but misses ten times as many. Commons is a very clever player, so I put it down to greed. So far this season he's been typically inconsistent. He's done next to nowt for us in Europe. Said after the game against Ajax that I thought that was his best European game for us off the top of my head - how long has he been here though? Would rather see Johansen, Armstrong and Rogic played at CAM ahead of him regularly.
{Ed007's Note - All transfers are a risk but we seem to be taking a higher level of risks than we should be. I don't care what anyone says, if you pay higher wages you attract a better quality of player and higher wages doesn't necessarily mean higher transfer fees, look at Ledley and Matthews as examples of what offering top dollar to Bosman's can bring in, also a lot of clubs drop the fees they're looking for for the higher earners that they are looking to move on, I know it would never happen but Van Persie to Fenerbahce for under £4 million is an example of that on a much higher scale to us.}
20 Oct 2015 19:03:46
NiallH, I know Barcelona and Real Madrid are way ahead of the rest of La liga, but I think the rest of the teams in Spain are way ahead of the teams in Scotland.
Teams like Villareal, Atletico Bilbao and Celta Vigo, are way ahead of teams like Partick Thistle and Ross County.
I think Scepovic is like a lot of modern players, in that they have no feeling for the clubs they play for and just go through the motions, they start upping their game when there is either a pay rise or a new contract on the horizon.
20 Oct 2015 19:33:40
He'll certainly suit the Spanish game more gerry. We had Kramaric "waiting in the rain" but opted for Scepovic, who didn't want to come, probably for the sake of a few hundred thousand.
20 Oct 2015 22:29:09
Gerry
He has scored against Malaga and Las Palmas. Not one of the great teams you have mentioned.
Scepovic was behind Ciftci and Stokes in Ronny's plans so that is how highly he is rated. Never good enough and never will be. Best rid of him.
20 Oct 2015 23:22:04
It does'nt matter how good a player is, its how the manager uses him, if a player scores a lot of goals in a different league, then he gets tranferred to say, for example celtic, and Ronny is the manager, and he says you have got to play my way, and no other way, and his goals dry up, so what's the problem?, is it the players or is it Ronnies.
21 Oct 2015 12:40:04
Aindoh I doub that here are many successful managers around nowadays who don't have a game plan for their team which includes individual players . If you looked closely at any team in these islands who regularly buy players, I think you will find many players just don't make it at their new clubs .
It's just a widespread problem .
21 Oct 2015 22:16:27
Aindoh
Read Eds third reply.
Stefan didn't want to be here in the first place. We all remember us chasing him for weeks only to be told the day before that he was staying in Spain. That fell through and he ended up with us as his only option.
He never showed anything in the time he was here that suggested he would cut it. Glad we are rid.