Celtic Banter Archive December 19 2013

19 Dec 2013 21:52:01
COME HOME MALKY MACKAY

Poor old Malky! Even by the standards of foreign owners that Vincent Tann character takes the biscuit! What an utter w***er! A touch of Vlad Romanov about him!

I heard Tan wants NL to take over but says he wants him to controversially change his hair colour. Personally if he wants rid of MM I'd take him as celtic manager. Super Sally the trendy man he is spied an advert for football manager signed V Tan. The brand queen that McCoist is thought it was Louis V Tan and applied saying that he'd sell handbags for £800,000 a year

Lennon could get his hair dyed grey and get big lumps cut oot it leaving baldy bits.
Fashionable doon Sally's way.

19 Dec 2013 18:52:03
Rangers fans giving the board abuse lol worth a watch. Antony
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB4IUh8pjKA

Where s the money?
HaHa
67COATBRIDGE

Why is it the manky mob refer to themselves as the bread and butter of the club and continue to shout about bhoycotts, while shouting about sugar daddy investors riding to the rescue to save their rotting corpse of a club. They had their chance to put afan led consortium together and failed, instead hoping for someone else to pick up the tab, I have had the misfortune of going for a pint with some of these creatures and alas this behavior is the same in the pub, quite happy to make a lot of noise and be very obnoxious but not prepared to foot the bill, always looking for someone else to see them alright
HH

@2 they just love to sit on their hands and do nothing and expect everyone to go and do things for then! I blame the welfare state! No one seems to display the live on your knees attitude better than that pack of wasters at Ibrox! They sat by and watch their old clubs die and are now doing the sane with the new club they all jumped on to follow!

I still chuckle to myself about their supposed worldwide support in the hunnas of millions only be able to raise less than half a million quid lol

The The Rangers supporters love to kid themselves on lol big club in Scotland! Nobody knows anything about them or even care about them elsewhere in the world!

Celtic football club, known and loved the world over! No wonder the lowlifes at Ibrox refuse to let the rancid "old firm" tag die, because they need Celtic more than Celtic need them!

I could not be leave my ears when talking to a rangers fan about the latest news on the agm at ibrox he came out with a story that obviously he had taking time to think about and is obviously in ther circle of thinking and this was IT it's a cracker, rangers football club was put in to administration because Scotland are going for independence and Celtic and rangers games could not be seen around the world because this would be an embarrassment to the Scottish government so Alex salmon and mr lawell got together and they picked rangers to go bust instead of Celtic at this point I had to stop this guy ask if he was on any drugs or medication he quickly replied so you don't be leave me then it was at this point I pressed the bus stop button and got off the bus 4 mile away from my stop to wait in the cold for an hour until the next one, this was a look into the mind of a rangers fan and I can honestly say it scared me and I don't want to do any more waiting in the cold so I'm staying away from rangers fans on buses or in general , jamesybhoy

That's pretty far fetched even for that mob but having have had to sit upstairs on the buses now & again, it sounds like the level of conversation expected from these tatoo'd knuckled intellectuals! Maybey they had been mixing drink on top of their methodone that day lol.

That's great it's like the full spectrum of dopes there, every shade represented. Or is it he seven dwarves Sneaky, Snakey, Dopey, Dumb Dumb, Creepy, Slimy and Fatso.
What a bunch of dopes standing there like new cars at the Geneva Motorshow, did they pull up a curtain to reveal them or were they all under a blanket? "Where'd(oes?) the money go?" In their pockets ya dummies.
Loving Alistair's 'deadly serious' look while showing his buddies he's on the square with his wrist clutching hand sign. Cool sign Bro.

Seriously though, impressive stuff, and a little intimidating. Cough. pea

19 Dec 2013 08:50:16
. The Place Ibrox Stadium .
. The Scene Sevco AGM .

Backstage are 2 celebrity bears, "Yogi"
"yes Boo Boo, what is it?" "Yogi, why are all those people shouting my name, listen"
BOO, BOO, BOO, BOO.
"just ignore them, look what I found in the managers office 200 greigs sausage rolls, I'm smarter than the average bear" "that wouldn't be hard look at them all out there Yogi"
Meanwhile among the crowd is another visitor Bernard Mathews. He is being interviewed by the "world famous" (in his own head) reporter screech Jackson. "Mr Mathews, why are you here?"
"well son I am always interested when these type of gatherings take place, look at all the turkeys out there mingling with hundreds of ostriches,
then there is the board "swanning" around trying to "duck" the issues and trying to "chicken" out of any votes.
Finally the meeting starts and the chairman trying to appease the baying crowd announces that after the AGM entertainment has been laid on, appropriately enough by The CHARLATANS.
As in all good pantomimes a "villain" appears, (yes we know the whole bl. dy board are villains)
but a guest one in the shape of Peter Lawwell as Scrooge, appears singing "Money, money money" and "Hi ho silver lining" but all the money is mine, er I mean CFC's, but even then we won't spend a penny ha ha"
The meeting came to an abrupt end as it was revealed the vote was made 3 months ago and all the board members are in Barbados for a 3 month vacation. It was also revealed that manager Mr McCoist voted THREE times one FOR, one AGAINST and one ABSTENSTION, asked why he voted this way Ally said "I am in favour of whoever keeps paying me £1m a year"
Timalloy, covering the AGM for 007

Heard Champagne Sally held a wee popping cork soirée at lunchtime with board as job done and no answering to shareholders for another year. Bottoms up! M&S prawn sandwiches, class.

19 Dec 2013 14:23:43
What need is there for you to have ago at Lawell in that whole report?
Don't spend any money there was 10m spent in summer that weather u like it or not is a lot of money in Scotland, there won't be many other times in Scottish history that more than 10m was spent in 1 summer. If the players signed had been an instant success 10m would have been a good investment in the team

As Sally sat at the Board table, the most expensive employee at the club, he looked up at the fan shareholders and thought; I have 70 penny shares for every one of you here. Life isn't bad a very Merry Christmas to me, throw a few platitudes to yous, keep buying the tickets boys, not shares. Champagne and prawn sarnies beckon (on expenses).

Well said MB, we are in a crap league and there are some that want us to risk our existance on the pipedream of winning the Big Cup again. PL and DD know the score and yes they might take us a bit for Granted but Celtic we are through and through. We are in a good place at the minute considering the death of the unclean, my only complaint is that we don't win the treble every year now, there are no excuses for that
TamTimTic

{Ed007's Note - Why do some supporters have it in their head that if we spend money we will end up in the situation Rangers did? It's a nonsense peddled by people who can't see a bad word said against the board.
We had a years ST money, a very successful (by our standards) CL campaign plus the sales of Wanyama, Hooper and Wilson and we are meant to be overjoyed the club spent circa £10m on, so far it looks like, very average players except for van Dijk?
Top that off with another year's ST money and this seasons poor CL campaign yet we haven't even spent the fee we received for Wanyama.
Nobody is expecting us to win the CL but surely we are allowed to expect the team to be improved with the income the club is generating at the the moment.
The team we have is poorer than last years and with the money coming into the club that is a ridiculous situation IMO.
We could have had Finnbogason, van Dijk and Biton and still had change from the £10m, that would have kept the team at the same level at least, if not improve it.
It's not the amount of money the board are sanctioning to spend, it's the way they are spending it that is the major problem which will continue to see the team and club going backwards unless they change their position.}

19 Dec 2013 16:11:30
Edd am simply pointing out the board did spend money and weather you like to admit it, it is a lot of money for a Scottish team to be spending in 1 summer. If they haven't worked that's not the boards fault. Hooper wasn't that more expensive then pukki if any, wanyama not much more than biton. Nobody complained how much was spent. And how is it possible for you to tell us we would b in as strong if not stronger position than last year if we got Finbogason there's every chance he could have flopped or took time to settle. And spending most your profit still wouldn't have guaranteed us getting in to CL it would still have been a gamble, how many times did oldco try it over there earlier years of CL .
A would worry if we didn't spend money when the zombies get to top league, we will outspend them and keep them on there knees do being financially sound when they get there can only be a good thing.
Only my opinion

{Ed007's Note - How is it not the board's fault? The board should have spent the money on the management teams first or at least second choices of player. I didn't say we would be in a better position than last year, I said we would be in a better position than this year, and buying a proven goalscorer is less of a gamble than buying Pukki and Balde. If you don't think signing Finnbogason would have been a better option than Pukki and Balde then sorry mate, you're clutching at straws trying to make excuses for the board.
The board gambled on us reaching the CL group stages and we were embarrassed in it because they didn't back the manager in the transfer market.
Rangers spent money they didn't have, we aren't even spending the money we do have, that's the major difference.
Again though, what makes you think that we would end up in the the same mess as Rangers? It's a complete fantasy and nobody can explain the reasoning behind it.}

Ed, I take your point but hindsight is a great thing, if Pukki and Balde had linked up right away and were sitting on 15 goals each we would not be having this conversation. Biton and Van D are great signings and I still have hope for Pukki and a bit less for Balde but attracting players that could earn more money in the Championship is still a big problem because of the league we play in. I expect to see a better class of signing in Jan 14 as with the World Cup being on we will be into the CL quals before we know it. PL and DD know this and if we don't get a better calibre of player and we don't qualify for the CL then there could well be a revolt
TamTimTic

{Ed007's Note - I hope you're right about January Tam but going on the board's track record I doubt it. They have let NL and the team down badly over the last couple of windows, remember Miku and Lassad? Two players that NL didn't want and the board had no intention of buying and more money poured down the drain on a gamble that was never going to pay off. It's all well and good trying to unearth an unknown gem of a player but sometimes you just need to pay the going rate for proven players.
Fans expect us to sell our players for top dollar then get upset because other teams want top dollar for their players when we try to sign them.
NL's reputation has taken a battering after this season's dismal CL campaign, I don't imagine he will be too happy with the way things have panned out as his stock in England slides downwards.}

19 Dec 2013 17:03:53
You did say it would have kept us at the same level as last if not better.
A never said Finbogason wouldn't have been better than pukki or Balde but a don't know as it never happened. Finbogason might have had problems like pukki(people would blame board for that aswell)
A never said we would end up in the same position as the old rangers.

{Ed007's Note - Yes I said it would keep us at the same level as last year which is definitely a higher level than this year. Last year's team was vastly superior to this this year's so if we had bought players to keep us even at last season's level it would be better than the present team, what's so hard to understand in that? Again though, why do you need to bring up what Rangers done in the past?

And spending most your profit still wouldn't have guaranteed us getting in to CL it would still have been a gamble, how many times did oldco try it over there earlier years of CL .

So you are comparing us to Rangers and using them as a yardstick to measure our club, Rangers spent money they didn't have, we aren't spending money we do have, that is the big difference. What Rangers done is an irrelevance to our situation, just as The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub are or will be for a few years yet.
Our aim every season should be European football after Christmas, even the Europa League. This year's CL campaign was atrocious and the sole blame for that lies at the door of the board, who once again didn't back the manager.
By your reckoning we should just scrimp and save on signings just on the off chance it doesn't work out, do you not have any ambitions for the team? As I said you're clutching at straws here and just listing 'what ifs'.
What if the board had signed the players the manager wanted and we were sitting waiting to play a CL last 16 match or a EL match? As you say, we will never know because it didn't happen, but if the board had done it's job we would have had a much better chance of finding out.}

19 Dec 2013 20:12:40
Seems to be it's your way is rite and nobody els aloud an opinion, u sound like won of the people with that attitude.
Signing Finbogason would have kept us at the same level or better because why? Is it a definte he would have been a success? No it isn't just because his value is more doesn't guarantee him success . And am measuring oldco as a sucsesful team in there day in Scotland who through money on international players and still couldn't do well in CL. To you who says spending more money on players would make sure we qualified for CL, which unless you've got a crystal ball simply isn't true

{Ed007's Note - Are you seriously this stupid or just at the wind-up? You must have been a distraught when MON was spending millions on players.}

We had a very promising side last season that, granted, rode it's luck a bit in the CL but secured a record number of pts to qualify to last 16.
We had a hiccup in the league cup as usual and as usual, dropped a few daft points, but went on to have fantastic Cup final to win the double.
This term we had a shocker of a pre-season and sold possibly, our 2 best players and a solid centre half and almost didn't qualify for the CL due to mediocre displays and survived a real scare against Karagandy(?).
The new signings VVD apart have failed to impress (or play) and were clearly not the managers first choice;
as we were scrambling right up to the end of the transfer window to sign another striker. Incidentally,
We have a couple of players who are running down their contracts and this must be having an effect on the team
The SP campaign has went fairly well as we are unbeaten as yet, although the goals have been hard to come by and we are leaking goals at the back.
We have recently hit a bit of form domestically where the manager admitted it was the best the team had played all season (Hearts away), however a hammering in the CL in the Camp Nou left us all humiliated after a disastrous CL campaign left Celtic without European football.
We are now apparently looking at January additions which will include a striker - as clearly the manager feels we are STILL well short of quality.
There has been a huge amount of controversy and friction between supporters groups and the club regarding Amsterdam, Motherwell and banners at Celtic Park that have also had a distracting and negative impact on the club - well covered on here.

Half Term Report :- Could do better.

JJ

Ed, you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, mb is a plc, pl, apologist they can do no wrong in his opinion, you have tried to spell it out for him but he just won't listen, mate, how many times have you pointed out nl did not get his 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd choice signings? He even doesn't mind going to play games in Turkey after we asked for a postponement of a league game because pl wanted it.

19 Dec 2013 20:43:15
Magic insults from the editor. What makes it stupid for me to have my own opinion . To you knowing what will happen if we spend all this extra money?
There are no guarantees spending all sorts of money will guarantee us success and there are examples all through out football.

{Ed007's Note - Where have I insulted you? I thought we were discussing and debating something, it was you that has compared me to a The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub fans, that's the only insult I can see.
If I've hurt your feelings the I apologise, but at no point have I insulted you.
There is a reason that one player can be worth £1m and another is valued at £10m, the latter is 99% of the time a better player. It's not a guarantee but then what is?
Have you done your Christmas shopping yet or do you leave it until the last minute in case the world ends before Christmas and you wasted all that money?}

19 Dec 2013 20:43:32
MB, are you for real or at the wind up here. I read your posts and half the time feel that its time wasted I'll never get back!
Re signings, have a look at the records of Pukki & Balde vs AF. The guy has a goal a game ratio, that for me is a proven goal scorer with a reputation for replacing "like with like" on hooper's exit.
Lennon has publicly stated that Balde is a work in progress, at nearly £2m out of a £10m spend I don't believe that was best signing policy. Have you seen this guy at half time with Danny McGrain, the old guys knackered chasing all the loose balls played back to him. For me Balde was either someone elses signing or Lennon is pretty poor on scouting a player. Either way, it all sounds like excuses for signing a dud. Pukki, panic buy and about 5th choice by all accounts. The other big outlay was on borrighter, at about £2.6 million was that money best spent?
Quality over quantity was needed.
I don't hold out much hope for Jan when its never a good time to buy anyone, pre-contracts maybe.
Ed, keep batting back the nonsense spouted by the blinkered lot who venture on here!
Stevo Dundee

19 Dec 2013 21:20:00
Am a really that stupid sounds like an insult to me. See if the board are robbing us all blind don't give them your money.
A would love to be able to splash the cash like we wouldn't have any troubles afew years down the line, but to want to spend more than 10m on players on the chance it mite keep us in CL after Xmas is F*cking nonsense when ye play in Scotland . And whilst wee play in Scotland the board need to explore every opportunity to get money ad rather be playing on a Saturday but al get over it .
How much have shaktar spent over the years how many times they made it through CL all big money signings who you would expect to be a better quality of player than our 2 & 3m signings, point being paying an extra 2 or 3m on players wnt guarantee success in CL then your left with them for a p*sh league .
As a say this is ma opinion just because you think different doesn't make you anymore rite than me, am sure there are others who agree with ma views

{Ed007's Note - It wasn't meant as an insult, it was a straightforward question because usually you are a lot more sensible and intelligent than you are showing in this discussion.}

19 Dec 2013 21:50:54
Maybe slot of the times a dnt explain maself the best am no claiming to be the brightest fan in world just a normal fan. A have ma opinions just because they aren't the same as yours doesn't mean your anymore right than me. Would love to splash the cash on all sorts just don't think its that wise at the moment when there's no challenge in league.

Steve Dundee really not bothered what your thoughts are, but am sure you don't need to read ma posts never mind reply.

{Ed007's Note - I just think we should be looking further than the domestic level MB. Why shouldn't we aim for Last 16 of the CL every year, or at the very least drop down to the EL and have a good crack at getting as far as possible in that.
The money to put down the foundations of that quality a team was there in the summer and we never spent it, it's rare to find a player of Wanyama's quality for £900k and there is quality Bosman signings every summer.
I'm not meaning we should be signing a £5/6m for every position but if the right player is available that will improve the team then we should be trying our best to sign them.
I would love to see us have a mixture of quality youngsters we have produced ourselves, then some players of the calibre we have in the likes of van Dijk, Lustig and then 2, maybe 3, high quality players that can give us the spark we are lacking.
We are screaming out for a No.10 creative type of player and a reliable, quality goal-scorer, the majority of the time you need to pay the going rate for quality in that position, just because it's a gamble and might not work out isn't a strong enough argument when you see the money we have spent on Miku, Lassad, Bangura, Balde and Pukki there's 3 gambles that certainly didn't work out and one that looks like it will go the same way.
Think of the player we could have got when you look at loan fees, transfer fees, signing on fees and wages etc we have wasted on gambles with players.
Since the end of NLs first season (2010/11) he stated he was looking was looking for quality rather than quantity, you can't possibly say that the board has backed the manager's statement up.
I will confidently say that if the board had backed NL in the summer and got him the players he wanted we would be in a far better position than we are now, if you don't think so then you are saying you don't trust the scouting system and managements judgement.}

19 Dec 2013 21:54:10
MB, think you'll find your opinion is outnumbered my friend.
If you think the signing policy and the additions this year are acceptable taking into account our finances, aspirations etc etc then I'm afraid that you are mistaken.
We, as a club, are from a position of strength, going backwards at an alarming rate.
Mid to long term strategy should have seen us light years away from that mob and looking way beyond 10 in a row. The way we're going unless there is a quick step change is that in a couple of years, when inevitably idiots pour money into that side, they'll be closer than should ever have been allowed.
I've deviated slightly from this thread but its all connected.
Everything around our club at the moment is pessimistic and negative, from performances, CL, strategy to GB, I could go on we are adding the bullets for our detractors.
Stevo Dundee

19 Dec 2013 22:54:06
Am starting to judge the scouting system, it wouldn't take much of a scout to pick out finbagoson if he is as good a player with such a gr8 record as people say. A scout should be looking for lesser proven players specially when there is a budget.
As a say Stevo dnt read ma posts if there so bad, but u keep replying. But you are rite am in the minority of people on this thread other than that a really don't think your in a position to speak for all celtic fans.

{Ed007's Note - Scouts have a job to do no matter what a player's reputation is, it's not just about what they can do on the park. You might find this an interesting read MB, it's about Moyes' scouting system while he was at Everton:

http://goo.gl/AzPwCM

Thats why its called a banter page. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I am happy to see the club making some cash and looking at securing the long-term future of the club. However, the old saying still holds true 'speculate to accumulate' The player brought in are potentially good but Ed is right on this one. You can't sell off proven players who have been the central line of our team and replace them with potentially good players. Too risky if you have any ambitions. NL and the supporters expected, if not to improve, at least maintain the standards we set last season - We have achieved neither. We have two senior players ready to walk for free and depending on WC squad selection and performance, I fear will lose more. TinyTim

MB. - give the ed his due - I've had a disagreement with him in the past but at least he posts both sides. Must be tempting just to delete us dissenters
HH. Joe

{Ed007's Note - Some people could learn a lot from MB Joe. For a start I try not to enter any lengthy debates with any anonymous trolls, it's usually them that comes out with rubbish like 'I bet you don't put this up' or 'you only put up what you want' so I just block them, that way I don't even need to see their posts.
Why should I care what people who can't even tag their posts think?}

20 Dec 2013 12:58:35
A started off with a reply saying the board did spen money to the tune of 10m thrn the thread grew and a found maself all over place getting worked up arguing wif maself lol
A don't disagree with spending money and even a little more on a quality signing, a don't think it will make to much of s difference on the CL front, think luck will be a bigger factor us getting through.
While there is no challenge in the league a do think it would be foolish to go gung-ho splashing silly money CL progress specially when it isn't gaurenteed with how little we spend compared with others.
A think being sensible just now isn't a bad thing because when zombies get here we can keep them on there knees by continually spending a reasonable amount.
As a said it was only ma opinion am not an apologist for the board a have ma own mind.

Sorry should have started this post with no need for you to waste your time Crocadile dundee do not read.

{Ed007's Note - Your opinion and thoughts are always welcome on here MB. Even if you are wrong ;)

20 Dec 2013 14:51:03
Cheers Edd am sure there's plenty out there that agrees with you including ma mrs lol

Ed, I hear you. You'll make someone a lovely wife.

{Ed007's Note - It's tiring enough being a husband AND a boyfriend at the same time, but thanks for the offer Joe.}