Celtic Banter Archive August 19 2016

19 Aug 2016 22:37:09
Was messi not on the list bud. Would love him like. Suppose Al take ings tho.

20 Aug 2016 00:01:58
Careful, Ed would have a coronary if Messi turned up at Celtic park.
Bringing in top players is fantastic, it grabs the headlines, captures the fans imaginations and sometimes and probably most importantly lifts the dressing room, but let's be honest most players we are being linked with are either overpriced, overrated, or over the hill.
Buying to appease fans or to grab headlines is never a good idea, it seldom works as we have found out at great cost in recent years.
Every great player started as a runny nosed schoolboy, and we have a few that might just make the grade, we should allow them space to progress and succeed.
Every great team has a mixture of youth and experience and also journeymen and superstars.
I like the way our team is progressing, marquee signing or not I think the balance of the team is looking good and for the first time in a long while I am looking forward with optimism, we have to trust the manager and his judgement.

{Ed007's Note - I don't even drink now - I could sell Messi my piss for drugs tests!}

20 Aug 2016 00:11:00
Ed, LOL.

{Ed007's Note - Well we know he's got the bloods well covered with Dr Fuentes and his bloodbags. And Messi can pay me from his tax cheating money!}

20 Aug 2016 00:33:49
Ed, I agree with your Messi sentiments, he can be pleasing on the eye but sits uneasily with the principals of doping in sport.
However I am having my weekly supply of Goldies and must say, I admire your sobriety and dedication to this site. God Bless.

{Ed007's Note - Thank you, and enjoy your beer or whatever Goldies are. Remember it's an early start in the morning so if you're not going to the game bring your hangover onto the live chat for a bit of craic and honking patter.}

20 Aug 2016 00:53:45
Ed, Goldies are Whisky, the clue is in the colour, LOL. Grandsons birthday tomorrow, sorry today. Watching game in birthday party venue, looking forward to both.

{Ed007's Note - I used to drink Belfast Bombers (?) Baillys and whiskey, as a chaser with my Guinness, that was the only way I could ever drink whiskey.
Have a great day with your family and a Hoopy Birthday to the your grandson.}

20 Aug 2016 01:33:36
Cheers Ed, yours in Celtic.

{Ed007's Note - HH.}

20 Aug 2016 07:04:23
Honking patter Ed? . but i'm hardly on the live chat pal :)

{Ed001's Note - don't worry Ed007 can provide all the honking patter that is needed.... ;-)

20 Aug 2016 09:04:02
Are you saying my patter is honking? I told 003 during the week he needed a pair of these on 😎 just to look in the mirror so he didn't break it

Turns out he is the laziest of all the Ed's too😂👍.

{Ed007's Note - Ed003 is the founder and chairman of the Lancashire Swinging and Dogging League for OAPs - he doesn't need to care what he looks like.}

20 Aug 2016 11:28:02
Aulder and slower than Clint Hill then Ed? 😂.

{Ed007's Note - Slower than Senderos!}

19 Aug 2016 21:53:58
Would Lucas Leiva be considered as a marquee signing?

19 Aug 2016 22:38:23
I would reckon so. For a club in Scotland that's a big player to have. Would give brown the freedom he needs.

19 Aug 2016 22:43:50
Good player but no my idea of what I'd like to see at Celtic Park.

19 Aug 2016 22:52:10
Wot about james ward prowse from Southampton? Good young player. Or essien. He's on a free jus now.

20 Aug 2016 07:47:02
Skinny is that a rhetorical question?

20 Aug 2016 09:08:17
No Dafabet he fits mould of what we could be looking at just wanted others opinion on would he be classed as marquee.

19 Aug 2016 21:07:21
The most important game is on Tuesday night not tomorrow, therefore who should play.
some questions need answering before Tuesday
1 Is De Vires fully fit and ready to take over from Gordon
2 Is Eric a better defender than O'Connell right now or does he need more game time
3 Is Johansen or Biton playing better than Macgregor and should replace him on Tuesday
4 Is Patrick fully fit and ready to play

Toure, Tierney, Brown, Sinclair and Griffiths will certainly start on Tuesday therefore should we risk an injury, Lustig will be rested
So rest the above and give the squad a chance to show they are good enough for Europe.

19 Aug 2016 21:26:25
Good teams play week in week out, don't recall henrick, Sutton, hartson etc being rested before euro ties. saying that would rest lustig fragile.

19 Aug 2016 21:49:22
U made the same point earlier jonace and not many agreed then and not many will agree now! Winning breeds confidence and Wednesday will have them buzzing! Let's go out 2morrow as strong as we can and run over the top of them! We start thinking that some games are less important than others that's when slackness starts to creep in! Give St Johnstone a good spanking and let's go into Tuesday with the bit between our teeth! No way will Brendan rest most of the team 2morrow!

19 Aug 2016 23:26:42
Play the strongest team tomorrow and Tuesday if a injury foes happen then we have a sqaud the deal with it
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20 Aug 2016 00:45:47
I remember a certain time when we had a wonderful team and our manager didn't rest any top players before European games . Do you know what happened we won nothing, not a single cup or league . The year was 2003 and boy had we not a great team, Larsson, Hartson, Sutton, Lambert, Petrov Lennon Lubo Big Johann and big Balde the list goes on , but we won nothing .
We haven't as good a team this year and some people are talking about not resting
Can they be right?

{Ed007's Note - If our players aren't fit enough to play 3 games in a week at the start of the season there's something far wrong, Chris. Every player we have should be champing at the bit to be playing in the next match, playing and playing well shouod be the only way to keep your place in this team.
Players like Lustig, Sciatchenko, Brown or Griffiths won't accept being rested, if they are fit they'll want to be playing in every match, even young KT only seems to miss matches if he's previously taken a knock. Izaguirre could easily come in and play well enough to keep future Celtic club captain KT out the team.}

20 Aug 2016 20:40:30
The experts ( apart from yourself ) reckon that playing too many games in the season have players missing 6 weeks - 2 months in the season through injury . Or have players losing form . Successful managers try to avoid that by playing with a pool of players, 16-18 players throughout the season, rather than trying to introduce a non tried and inexperienced player in the middle of December Am I right Taf?
We have the makings of a squad those that played / wed &today plus those you mentioned, so whether they are champing on bit or not B R can only start 11.

19 Aug 2016 20:33:47
Saw the team ud like to start tomorrow Ed but would you still play Gordon or would you give de vries a game?

{Ed007's Note - I'd stick with Gordon until Wednesday is over at least.}

19 Aug 2016 22:01:49
Think so myself mate a hate slagging 1 of our own but he fills me with dread anytime the balls in the box.

19 Aug 2016 20:38:53
first time poster. Not someone I have see or heard being linked with Celtic but Michael essien is now on a free transfer and training with Chelsea. At 33 he would give experience and a solid defensive midfielder.

19 Aug 2016 21:11:12
The issue he has only played about 30 games in the last 3 years, he certainly was class in his time but not sure if he still has the legs for his position.

I know Kolo had played similar amount of games but its a very different position when your a CM with lack of legs (ask Joey B hahahaha)

If he could prove his fitness would be class signing though.

19 Aug 2016 19:23:21
Don't normally post bets but I'm a rugby league man and it's a very very good bet Huddersfield -38 handicap on betfred 3-1 playing a part time team in the play offs to stay up/ go up to super league very good offer there is also Leeds -34.5 bit less favourable but I've shoved a double on both and down as singles to try win my money back as a back up.

19 Aug 2016 19:39:11
Toprig massive rugby league fan myself. Decent bets but I wouldn't touch either myself as both the Giants and the Rhinos have massively underperformed this year as you know! Both had big wins last week though so good luck with your bets! COYS.

19 Aug 2016 20:18:13
I've won a fair amount of money the last two weeks on Leeds on the handicap I'm a Leeds man very disappointed to be down the qualifiers but happy with my winnings haha.

19 Aug 2016 22:47:00
Yeah mate Rhinos struggle has been a massive shock! Don't really seem to have coped with losing Sinfield, Peacock and Luiluie! I'm a saints man and we really struggled until we went on this 7 game winning streak.

19 Aug 2016 18:23:38
Ed 2 question.1) what happens to a sell on percentage when the player signs a new contract with the club they transfered to (2nd contract with the new team) , is it still applied? Ex: forster, van dyke.

2) do you think they move soon? Heard top epl clubs are looking at them. They have to be worth close to 30 mill each, just thinking of Celtic's % of trsnsfer fees.

{Ed007's Note - 1. Yes the sell-on clause is a contract between the clubs and 2. I can't see Forster moving this year but there might be bids for VVD.}

19 Aug 2016 19:57:37
Cheers.

19 Aug 2016 18:22:36
How the hell is displaying a flag an illicit banner so uafa now saying Palestine is an illict country now there's a political statement.

19 Aug 2016 18:31:54
The thing I'm worried about now is if we just get fined this time then it could lead to a stadium close as a punishment for a stupid flair! Imagine that, and we all know that people love flares so just how dumb will it be to have a closed park over stupid flair, and still fans will use it just to say FU to Uefa while fans and team get punished which gives the opponent team easier time without the crowd. Fans back in 67 would never jeperdize the team or fans from the historic run in CL, now. not so much.

19 Aug 2016 18:34:27
We should defos contest this time, this could embaress Uefa big time in front of the worlds media. They should explain why it is both illicit and offensive. And explain to us why a humane and heartfelt gesture to oppressed people is a crime in their eyes. RESPECT they say, total joke, . corrupt criminals i say.

19 Aug 2016 18:50:31
Doesn't need to be illicit or offensive
The part we are getting charge with says this.

e. the use of gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message that is not fit for a sports event, particularly messages that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature;

19 Aug 2016 18:50:59
Bham Bham boom! Of all this nonsense that's my favourite post Bhampot. The "Has the Club given you permission to do this collection? " line down the page though did make me slop lasagne all down my top.

19 Aug 2016 19:10:10
Kev83

On that basis we HAVE broken the rules. Fact

If that's the rules either play by then or expect a punishment or work to change them

It is a UEFA competition and as far as I know we are a member club

Celtic can fight it but the punishment will come.

19 Aug 2016 19:50:09
I took that from celtics OWN statement paradise.
Whether we agree with the rule or not I would saye they have us dead to rights because of two words.
Political
Ideological.

19 Aug 2016 20:21:38
Correct Kev.

19 Aug 2016 16:24:51
UEFA haven't wasted any time in the wake of the Palestinian flag waving at Celtic Park and we are set for further sanctions on Sept 22.

19 Aug 2016 17:14:14
Those pesky Judeo Masons and their secret world order. Nothing the unseen Fenian Hand shouldn't be able to cope with (rofl) . Too far? Joking aside, F*ck UEFA. Wether or not it should have been done is trivial now. They're punishing people for expressing a concern I share. Bring it on.

19 Aug 2016 17:42:56
Then you'll happily help to foot the bill for the fine then JimTim.

{Ed007's Note - Set it up then, Besty. I know loads of people who will donate plenty to cover it. There is also talk of the support collecting the amount of the fine and giving it to a Palestinian charity but yo'd probably be against that.
Has the Club given you permission to do this collection?}

19 Aug 2016 17:47:38
I hope the club push back on any fine.
If there is specific guidelines in place and they have been applied equally to all member clubs, then that's the rules.
However if no clear guidance exist or uefa have not applied said guidance in a fair, just manner then I would ask the club hierarchy to heed the advice of a certain banner that was displayed offering advice relating to everyone's favourite European footballing ruling body.
This is the organisation who will do their best to squeeze every drop of life from a once great competition for the sake of making richer men wealthier.
Equality for the members with most money - they should hang their heads in shame.
Regardless of anyone's politics people should remember free speech.
A football ground may not be everyone's cup of tea to stage an opinion, but a least it raises awareness.
Look at the olympics where I saw a lady hold a banner up for hours to raise awareness for women's rights.
I don't see the Daily Rec£rd get on their high horse about her.

19 Aug 2016 17:53:54
As i said prior to the game i just go to games for the football and that's enough for me. Having spent years in the Middle East and have many a friend over there i can certainly understand why the Green Brigade or whoever else do what they do regarding the flags etc. Why don't these guys organise something for Glasgow Green or George Square on the morning of a game. I would gladly attend and i'm sure there is many more who would. The exposure would be unreal. As I said for me the Stadium is about football and always will be but that's just my opinion what others do is up to them.

What can UEFA do if say 5,000-10,000 Celtic fans stood in Glasgow Green as a show of support for Palestine.

Just a thought. Now is not a time for the Celtic support to be devided. HH.

19 Aug 2016 18:03:29
I always thought peter lawell was a reptilian shapeshifter. david icke says.

19 Aug 2016 18:07:05
Beat me to that.

You know what Besty, I told myself I wasn't putting a penny in the club this season. That though, I'd gladly put my hand in my pocket. I know people who aren't Celtic fans, aren't even football fans that would pay to cover such a fine.

19 Aug 2016 17:51:22
Giving to a charity is all very well and noble Ed. Nowt wrong with that. In case you hadn't worked it out I'm not against anyone sympathising with a cause but it pisses me off that it has to be done at Paradise which then lands us in trouble unnecessarily, particularly as there have been numerous previous incidents of ridiculous and uncalled for behaviour by an element of our support. That's my point, I've made it before, so keep your wise cracks to yourself if you don't mind.

{Ed007's Note - Nobody cares what you think or what pisses you off - nobody. You're nothing but an irrelevant insignificant troll who should be banned from Celtic Park for lacking the intelligence to be allowed out in public themselves.
Dry your eyes, man up and change your wet panties, you're embarrassing not only the Celtic support but the site. One of which I can easily deal with btw.
So please can you keep your opinions to yourself if you don't mind.}

19 Aug 2016 18:11:22
KD24

My mate truly believes the queen is.

{Ed007's Note - You'll find all of the main people involved in the establishment's paedophile ring are rumoured to be reptilian shape-shifters, Stan.}

19 Aug 2016 18:23:52
Ed i'm surprised that tv series V doesn't use Simply The Best as it's theme tune.

{Ed007's Note - Have you noticed the shape of Warbiola's head and his hunchback? Possible alien DNA contamination?}

19 Aug 2016 18:31:51
That's what Magic Hats do to you haha.

19 Aug 2016 18:34:20
That's all fair play stan. HH.

My stance ultimately though is - is CP the best place for it? Probably not. Is it the wrong place for it? Absolutely not. Only when somebody from UEFA comes out and says "any more and nobody goes to the games" then I'd ask people not to. Because that's when you're intruding the lives of by-standers, and for me that's not cool. Even then though there'd be a part of me thinking go on bhoys it's your right, which is bigger than football as a whole. Does the club care though? My guess is no. Did that display get set up, under such a magnifying glass, without any club official noticing? I think not. That's why Celtic is my club and I'm proud to be a tim.

19 Aug 2016 18:56:31
JT my worry is what comes next. That aside this is going to open one hell of a can of worms and maybe that's a good thing. HH.

19 Aug 2016 19:01:26
Does eufa have a list of banned flags of certain nations and if the Palestine flag is one of them does that make eufa prejudiced and taking sides, there was an Israel flag visible so is that OK what about people who find the union jack offensive or the Irish flag where does it end they've opened a can of worms here, I think we have a very good case.

19 Aug 2016 19:40:07
We would have a great case, if lawell had the balls this time. But he doesn't n he'll accept any punishment dished out by them because he wants a job with them.

19 Aug 2016 21:45:39
We have no case we broke the rules.
They have us lock stock and barrel if they want us.
The wording of the rule is very specific.

{Ed007's Note - And there's plenty of evidence of not only other clubs but UEFA themselves breaking their own rule. If this had happened in the Nou Camp where the Palestinian flag is also always on show at different parts of the stadium UEFA wouldn't have dared try to punish Barca. I can show you pictures of English teams, West Ham, Arsenal, Man Utd and even Chelsea with banners saying they're against apartheid - where's UEFA then with their no politics in football double standards?
This could easily become a political situation rather than footballing one, there are plenty of powerful and influential people, charities etc willing to back Celtic in this matter IF the Club finds it's balls, Celtic have allowed the support to be bullied by UEFA far too many times but I suppose it's one of the consequences of not being one of their 'big league' team. It is UEFA themselves that have made this political - again breaking their own rules. Why are UEFA getting involved in Middle Eastern politics? Have you ever asked yourself why UEFA have banned the Palestinian flag yet FIFA recognise Palestine, or why a team that isn't based in Europe is even allowed to play in a UEFA tournament?
Remember that the police have said there was NO illegal activity taking place at Celtic Park, it passed the draconian OBFA in Scotland where you can be arrested for singing a song or looking at a copper the wrong way. Paul McBride would have destroyed this farcial process.

Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights protects the right to freedom of assembly and association, including the right to form trade unions, subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society".

Article 11 – Freedom of assembly and association
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

In my opinion what will happen here is Celtic will get a rap on the knuckles and maybe a fine of about 20,000 Euros because UEFA will want this dealt with and brushed under the carpet as quickly as possible. But hopefully the peerless Celtic supporters have inspired other fans throughout the world to make a stand.}

19 Aug 2016 23:07:12
A good read that Ed, Thanks.

At this rate it won''t be long before i'm buying a flag.

F*** UEFA.

{Ed007's Note - UEFA are rancid and normal punters on the street have no idea the level of corruption that actually goes on. Here's some more examples of their double standards.

11 days ago on Twitter the UEFA Foundation (@UEFA_Foundation) tweeted this:

#football united against the bombing of civilians #UEFASuperCup #Norway #HI_UK

With this link, which seems to be missing content on the page:

www.uefafoundation.org/news/football-united-bombing-civilians/


BTW the UEFA Foundations' Twitter cover has this on it:

'The UEFA Foundation for children aims to help children and safeguard their rights with sport, and football in particular.'

Here's a page from the UEFA Foundation site, the section is headed 'Refugees':

www.uefafoundation.org/actions/refugees/

On that page it states:

'Improving the living conditions of refugee children, as well as their dignity and respect for their fundamental rights.'

And finally who said thank (swear), here's a video from that same UEFA site about the Za'tari refugee camp in Jordan:

19 Aug 2016 15:24:49
Lucas leiva? not a bad signing if it's true. SG ok aswell. Jefferson montego or ki sung young possibly? Any thoughts who this signing could be?

19 Aug 2016 16:13:15
They've got to be blockbuster if it's a CM. With Brown playing as he is, the players Bitton and Johansen can be. There's the development of Ajer, McGregor and Armstrong to think of too. Not sure Stevie G would be worth what I'd expect him to command and I've never been sure what to make of Lucas, but I read Klopp wants him to stay and even halted a move to Galatasaray? Seeing as people's mates have heard Xavi, Schweinsteiger and Gerrard. My mate reckons we're in for McCarthy.

I would have hoped for a better Keeper than De Vries but can't see it being a keeper.

My guess/ hope would be a striker. Or possibly a right back. But a striker would be the blockbuster and round of a very good window for me going of past summers.

{Ed007's Note - I forgot all about Ajer, JT. If that lad doesn't get first team football he'll stagnate, I would even give him 6 months to settle with us playing here and there then send him out on loan in January, he's far too good to be playing reserve football.}

19 Aug 2016 16:58:48
Hopefully Rodgers will use him in league games.

19 Aug 2016 17:13:05
Sparky ki and biton are both the same almost like for like I wouldn't take him back.

19 Aug 2016 17:15:54
Ajer strolled through that game against Cowdenbeath up against seasoned journeymen there no point buying a CDM you can tell this boy has played first team football easily

Speaking to weeks ago JT a heard it we wanted a GK and an attacking full back like a Flannigan type and then within 48hrs DDV popped up

I cannot see it being a midfielder or even a striker because it is getting later in a game that we are pairing LG and MD

Am confident Ajer would fit right in with Toure behind him and Brown in front a would go as far to say if we are going to play 4 = 1 - 4 - 1 Ajer in no time will be better equipped/ suited than Biton as I have said for a while now Biton would benefit from gaining a half a stone (y)

19 Aug 2016 17:48:05
I thinks ki is a lot better than Bitton Imo. But fair play mate.

19 Aug 2016 16:51:47
Well that's it Ed. He joined us as one of the better young prospects in Europe. Not sure I'd risk his development for the sake of Stevie G for a couple seasons, not considering the CMs we already have and what SG would cost. I never expected Ajer to be nailed on starting XI. But with him being versatile, I was half hoping to see him getting games after European and cup ties, seeing games out etc. I'd do the same re loaning him out in Jan.

19 Aug 2016 18:58:53
Because of our dearth of centre halves a few weeks ago I think B R was forced to play Ajer as centre half . We are now getting our centre backs fit and ready and now Ajer is back as defensive midfielder but he may have lost a few weeks playing there and won't make the first team as defensive midfielder for a few weeks yet.

19 Aug 2016 13:48:22
Think so many people are gona be so disappointed when this marquee signing doest turn up

I for one am not bothered. I don't think we need a marquee LOAN signing to have an impact in Europe.

I'd rather get our own players. but it doesn't have to be a marquee 1 but a quality 1 who goes into the first team. maybe a sinclairs situation. were he has fallen of the radar in England for a bit

But I don't believe for a moment there is a marquee signing on the way. but that's not saying I wouldn't be happy if it did. depending on who it is.

19 Aug 2016 14:00:45
Like to see rodgers using old Chelsea contacts and getting (buy) pasalic or van ginkel (or both) from them.

19 Aug 2016 14:20:38
Would definitely prefer a signing instead of a loan.
We have had a real mixed bag with loans in recent years, with maybe only Denayer, (Forster at first) and Roberts making a real impact - and when they leave, we are back to square one.
I know quality signings are not a guarantee of success, or that they will stay long-term, but we usually get a good price for the players who choose to move on.

19 Aug 2016 15:24:59
I'm a big fan of a loan with a fee agreed at the end. Give club chance to try before you buy. If it don't work out u are only out of a years wage and not stung for a big fee and few years wages like boriggter.

19 Aug 2016 16:03:21
That would be the way for me too Madyin, even if it mean paying a % of the transfer fee as a loan fee.

19 Aug 2016 10:57:25
Broony has decided to retire from international football, a bit sad about it tbh but think its definately the right decision, the bhoy has been plagued by injuries the past 3 seasons so using that time to recuperate is best for his club career, Can only benefit us in the long term.

19 Aug 2016 11:13:53
Not being a particular fan of Scotland (or any International side) this is good news as far as I'm concerned, for the reasons you've already explained.

19 Aug 2016 11:15:53
Bit gutted about this tae.
I like seeing celtic player represent their country
Especially brown captaining mine.
But ithe is best decision for him and our club I'd say.

19 Aug 2016 11:26:36
Would have loved to have seen him in this form when we play England but it's not to be and can only be good for Celtic. The correct decision.

19 Aug 2016 12:30:53
It's a great decision especially the form he's in should prolong his career.

19 Aug 2016 12:43:07
Great decsision. Concentrate on celtic an if he plays like that on wed every week then its only gona benefit us.

19 Aug 2016 14:25:42
I am delighted about this as apart from not being a fan of International football, he can continue concentrating on getting back to his best form for Celtic - as we have missed him for some time.
He was totally committed to his country and always gave Scotland 100% - and even played when injured.

19 Aug 2016 06:05:57
This would be my ideal champions league draw barring a disaster next week. Leicester bayer Leverkusen maybe Basel depending on qualifying and Ajax think we could do well in this group.

19 Aug 2016 06:34:14
Let's just get through first and worry about the draw nearer the time.

19 Aug 2016 08:48:13
I've got a feeling we'll get Man City if we're in different pots (I don't know if we are)

19 Aug 2016 08:51:41
You want basel they have Elyounoussi and another really good player I can't remember his name off hand.

19 Aug 2016 09:47:47
IF we get there, it is a guarantee any group will be tougher than anything we have faced for a wee while now and BR is still building.
The majority of these players have struggled with European football in recent years, although the new manager is obviously trying to rectify this and qualification will allow more quality additions.

19 Aug 2016 11:03:03
Man City will be in Pot 2, Celtic will be in Pot 4 if we make it. HH.

19 Aug 2016 11:05:28
I'd like Real.

19 Aug 2016 11:09:07
Dortmund and Dundalk. Assuming we're in pot 3? And Dundalk are in 4.

19 Aug 2016 13:17:58
@Kerzo - back to school for you. A 5 team CL group - you're getting it mixed up with the Europa League but then it is a few years since you've been in CL!

19 Aug 2016 13:36:18
Not very sensible deciding possible opponents in Champions league . So many unknowns still out there . I prefer not to tempt fate by indulging in pointless speculation . There won't be many easy teams in it and we will be second favourites in almost every game if we get there . That won't mean we won't win games, we will have to up our standards .