Celtic Banter Archive December 18 2013

 

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18 Dec 2013 20:48:53

GlasgowRoad @glasgowroad

Around this very week last year within the confines of Celtic Park it was let slip to myself that the club backed The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012. At first it came as a shock and I waited on the punchline, then further details were given of how QC Paul McBride had advised Peter Lawwell and 'The Club' that they should back the Act. Today @minoguetom has in one tweet exposed all that myself and certain others have known all along - t.co/n72XLcJQSv the truth always comes out, especially now as there is no hiding place from 'The Freedom Of Information'.

We were told not so long ago that the club 'backed' the fans in our campaign to see this Act smashed, this was a one-liner via another rushed and prompted 'Club Statement', they lied. Stories of internal meetings in which Celtic PLC staff gathered personal details of Celtic season ticket holders from Section 111 with a view to "getting rid of them" were denied as "untrue and false", they lied.

The myth and set up that was the 'Battle Of Dens Park' was a joint operation between Celtic, Police and Dundee FC. I sat during an 'evidence gathering' video production compiled by David Brannan and shown to myself and one other in the presence of Hawthorn and Lawwell on a projection screen in The Boardroom, at an estimate 90% of this video was focused footage of Section 111 and Green Brigade members, as the video finished we moved through to the 'meeting room' where tea was poured and Lawwell made a call to The Ticket Office Manager and asked for the "seating details of all season book holders from section 111 who have a ticket for Dens Park", Dundee was the next away game (26/12/12) and it was clear he was planning something. Where the information went once he received it doesn't take a genius to work out, luckily probably around the same time it was also relayed to a Green Brigade member. There was no riot at Dens Park, there were no Celtic Supporters "urinating where they stood", there were no "scenes that harked back to the 70's", Lawwell lied, again they lied. This is just one example of many instances and situations witnessed by myself of Celtic PLC's agenda against a section of our own support, The Green Brigade were kept a step ahead, that was only right, they were called liars, they never lied.

You have to wonder why our CEO was so hell bent on criminalising a section of our support, was it figures? Was it to justify 'The Act' at our end, was it a personal agenda against The Green Brigades' politics, displays, Ultra motives or the fact he couldn't control them? After all he described them to me as "neds and cancerous", make your own mind up, but there is one thing for sure, he lied.

So the PLC back the fans in our campaign against this legislation, really? As our supporters were 'kettled' in The Gallowgate, lifted from their homes in dawn raids, criminalised for songs that are not criminal, harassed, filmed, over searched, vilified in the media and somehow seen as a part scapegoat to a sectarian issues, just remember they backed it and they lied.

The PLC Board of Celtic Football Club need to remember one thing, we can replace you, you cannot replace us.

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18 Dec 2013 21:16:55
Am sorry HB you do seem as if ye know a fair bit about all that goes on. But seriously why do you bother with Celtic you don't really have much good to say about them.

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18 Dec 2013 21:27:51
Who cares what got said to who about whatever and all these statements you're making being a lier, this is all about the gb and they have had it coming for ages, our club has no place for anyone who uses it to put there own agendas first while dragging the clubs name through the muck, so what is it you what us to do here start shouting lawell is this and lawell is that well no thanks my friend I will have no part in backing the gb. wee darren

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{Ed007's Note - What a fitting description of Lawwell as well Darren:

'our club has no place for anyone who uses it to put there own agendas first while dragging the clubs name through the muck'

The only person with an agenda is Lawwell. He has a personal vendetta with the GB, and used it to elevate his chances of a tidy wee position at UEFA. He made the first step towards it joining the SPFL board.

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Because I'll always love and support those 11 men on the park MonkeyBhoy, it's in my blood. But that doesn't mean I have to like, accept or tolerate the PLC running things!

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I cannot be doing with all this, the sooner there's some kind of resolution the better.

I think with the GB and the board, there is definite faults on both sides, neither are Snow White.

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If this is true, and I am willing to believe you for arguments sake, then this is appalling. If you have concrete proof you should hand it to Celtic and ask for answers. I was at Dundee the night of the 'riot', as were many posters on here and pretty much everyone said the same, there was nothing out of the ordinary. No phone footage, in this day and age, seems very strange.

I also remember being shocked that Mr Lawwell came out so early in condemning our fans, again this was posted about on here. My biggest gripe against him would be the seeming lack of interest in hounding sevco over various applications of the rules of the game.

It's things like this that start conspiracy theories.

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When are we going to get back to football. Just about every day Hamiltonbhoy slates the club and backs the GB. I have to question is he more concerned about the GB than the club, looks like it but he is not the only one on here that thinks the same! incidentally if it wasn't for Celtic there wouldn't be a GB!

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@DesH These aren't my words. This is simply me sharing a link that's been circling since yesterday. It was also in a podcast about 2-3 months ago!

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Also, to point out, "GlasgowRoad" was the Affiliation guy who resigned from his position over what the PLC were trying to do to a section of the Celtic support, so he'd be able to tell his tale.

Listen to the bottom recording first, then the top recording, if Ed's cool with posting the links?

soundcloud.com/celticfansrights-1

www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rtrfd6

www.spreaker.com/user/homebhoys/homebhoys_xtra_stevie_cairney

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Des h, HB is attacking those that 'run' the club, and if the above post is factual the sooner some of these guys are removed the better .
Hawthorne has to be stood down immediately .
It won't end with the GB, maybe next will be freezing out of CSCs from certain areas because they are not fitting in the image Lawwell and co want to relay or those that can be too troublesome at agms with their nonsense about treatment of staff and fans .

HB has a passion for Celtic that goes beyond football and the GB, maybe not always right but I prefare 50,000 to 50,000 lillylivered prawn sandwich eaters every day of the week

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As for football coming first, the mistreatment and discrimination of fans must be discussed and addressed, if football comes second to this so be it.
Football without fans and all of that .

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Completely agree with you TTTS. But there's sections of our support that would much rather bury their heads in the sand, play the blame game, stick their blinkers on and focus purely on what's happening down in Mordor. Pretty sad in my opinion!

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18 Dec 2013 20:01:17
Hi ed, guys seems a few thoughts and opinions on the TurkeyGate Scandal (tongue firmly in cheek). I look at it this way, imagine your employer comes to you and says right guys got a wee winter break to turkey lined up get some sun on your back and r&r yes we might have to work a day or 2 but there will be plenty o time for rest what would you say.Oh and all expenses paid. Tough choice? I think not.

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18 Dec 2013 21:10:06
Only problem a have is accepting to play in same tournament as Ajax

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What about the real people in this farce . The fans . The season book holders who can't make it midweek . The fans who maybe have booked transport and accommodation in advance . When you buy a ST you buy it expecting every game to be an afternoon kick off at the weekend . Getting really pi***d off the way this board are treating fans . DH

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I'm against the decision of postponing a competitive match for a commercialised friendly tournament 5-6 hrs flight away. And that's before I even get started on how we are entertaining that club that have damaged 5 young lads livelihoods!

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There is not one club in the country who would have turned down the opportunity to take part in this competition.

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{Ed007's Note - Well I was talking to someone high up at Accies last night and he said it was a stupid decision to go, so there's one. What clubs did you ask? Anyway aren't CFC 'A Club Like No Other'?}

Aye Ed a club like no other for taking the p#ss out their own fans.

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19 Dec 2013 07:04:49
2 kick abouts in Turkey or probably training and bounce games in Scotland, hardly slave labour. Am gony say ad rather go 2 turkey for prob 5 or 6 days and am guessing so would the players. It's the job of the board to make the club as much money as they can like it or not . On saying that wouldn't have went with Ajax there

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It wasn, t ajax that have damaged our fans it was their fans and by all accounts the police.jimbhoy

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@JimBhoy It sounds like you're trying to say Ajax aren't responsible for the actions of Ajax fans? Isn't this what the outcry about the GB, 111 and away day regulars is about? They represent CFC and damage CFC's reputation if they don't behave like the PLC wish them too?

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18 Dec 2013 17:51:41
Ross McCormack is a good shout but if I had the choice it would be Finnbogason all the way but McCormack would be a good second choice saying that he might as well be our first choice because we have no chance of landing Alfred though I truly hope am made to eat my words.

Samcfc1888

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18 Dec 2013 17:07:27
This is the first time I have had to comment on Celtic going to Turkey to play in January tournament. This could only have been made by the money men at Celtic Park. In January our players should be having a rest if games are postponed, not travelling around the world.
The only plus side I can see Celtic getting out of it (apart from a big fee) is more experience for our new players including Fridjohnsen and hopefully our younger players Ajatic, Fisher, Chalmers etc.
take at least 6 young players with Biton, Balde, Pukki, Boerighter also bring Samaras and Ledley until they leave or sign new contracts, maybe give some senior players a rest. If we can also take a couple of trialists, so much the better. Timalloy
PS hopefully our fans will not travel in big numbers and those that do, please stay safe.

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Why do you hit out at the board right away? Yes we will be making money most prob which any buisness has to to stay alive and whitch could maybe mean more money for transfers.
But the players have been playing a lot of games and want a vacation and so this is it, like we did last year to give the players a break. We are only playing 2 games while thier to stay fit, stay fit to come back and keep winning in the league. What the hell ppl, everything the club does now seems to get people against them trying to pick them apart thinking thier are motives behind everything. It's a trip/vacation way from thier every day life to refresh and stay fit while make money on the side. every club does this! One way or another.

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{Ed007's Note - The tournament runs between January 8 - 12, so that is two games in four days, players and managers moan about playing too many games as it is so why are they being forced to make an unnecessary journey, play 2 meaningless games in the space of 4 days not to mention risking injuries?
You have actually contradicted yourself, if the players are tired and want a vacation (what players have said this?) then surely adding the travelling and 2 more matches to their schedule isn't giving them much time to recuperate from already being tired
Surely their time would be better spent doing a few hours light training and then going home to rest and spend some time with their family, that way they will come back physically and mentally refreshed to tie up the league and hopefully the Scottish Cup.
If we get beat in the SC final will the old 'it's been a long hard season for us, especially with the CL matches' or 'the long hard season has taken it's toll on the players' lines will be wheeled out.
With the brass neck our board seem to have nothing would surprise me any more from them.
Accepting this invite is purely financially motivated by the board. It is craziness to willingly go to play a match in Turkey without throwing Ajax into the mix after what happened in Amsterdam. And if you think the money will be used in transfers then you are kidding yourself.}

You don't need anyone to say they want a vacation for I'm sure anyone wants one don't you Ed? So to you Ed going away to another place is not refreshing for mental or physical well being? Getting away from everyday things so they are away from the media, daily headache and ways of thier normal life. See how easy it is to look at a situation two different ways. We don't know where the funds will go, in the end it helps the club. And the light training is good and all but as it is said only game time helps people in game situation.

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{Ed007's Note - Are you just making this up as you go along? For the record no, I don't want a vacation. I think you will find that there will be media with the travelling party from the time it leaves Glasgow until it gets back, as for daily headaches I think a visit to the doctor would be more important than travelling abroad.
It's not DisneyWorld they are going to, it's Turkey. They won't get much sleep because Turkish fans will be outside their hotel ALL night making as much noise as possible as they always do to visiting teams, they then have to play two games of football in the space of 3/4 days, they are risking unnecessary injuries and all the while missing their wives and family, what if it is one of their kids birthdays or something? And all for playing in a meaningless 'tournament'.
The only way to look at it is that the board are treating the players as no more than money making objects and sh!tting on the fans, from a great height, again.
Apart from a small financial gain name one plus point of asking for a domestic game to be called off to give players a rest and then sign up for a two-bob 'tournament' that nobody gives a stuff about.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, this is a ridiculous decision, what happened to wanting the league sown up early this year to allow youngsters to play more league games.
Let's just hope that none of our major players gets a serious injury, we have a league and cup to win and the cup will be a lot harder if someone like Forster or van Dijk were injured.
That brings us to players we have that are hoping to go to the World Cup, do we expect players to play all season for us then go to the World Cup on the other side of the world and then be fresh to play in CL qualifiers for us next July/August.
A break and chance to put their feet up next month could make all the difference in the long term. It could be 18 months (summer 2015) before some of our players get any chance of a decent rest, which again heightens the chance of injury problems.}

Has anyone gave it a thought we might takeover a young squad and leave most first team players at home who need rested?
GerryBhoy

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{Ed007's Note - If that's going to be the case Gerry then club must come out and say that before fans waste their money (and IMO risk their personal safety) paying money to travel over there for no more than a youth match. People had already made made arrangements to attend the Kilmarnock match and have lost any money they already outlaid.
Personally I would never recommend anyone travels to Turkey for football.}

Fair point ed, I don't agree with the tournament either, waste of time and could spell trouble. Just thought people were too quick to think it was going to be our strongest 11 going over for a two day tournament.
GerryBhoy

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18 Dec 2013 14:00:58
There's quite a few on here who fancy themselves the intellectual type, but blantantly pleed ignorance in the criminalisation of Celtic fans. What comes to mind is the poem "First The Came. " about the Nazi rise during WWII. Except altering the words:

First they came for the Green Brigade, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't in the Green Brigade. Then they came for 111 members, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't in 111. Then they came for awayday regulars, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't an awayday regular. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me!

This is exactly what will continue to happen, because without the GB or section 111 for the police to focus on. They'll continue to play the even up process with other areas of Celtic Park. So enjoy your hassle free enviroment at the football while it lasts, but when you're the one who is criminalised. Resulting in your day to day life being affected, ie careers, etc. I won't say "told you so" but maybe you'll think before jumping to conclussions in future!

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I admire your passion HB but I cannot agree. I defended the GB noumerous times, most notably during the Dundee 'riot', but they painted Celtic into a corner. The club really could do no more after the UEFA fine and the Fir Park disgrace.

Where I do agree is the whole criminalising of a certain type of fan.This has more to do with the times we live in more than the clubs fault. I was a Jungle regular and these panty wetters would have had a fit at what was sung in there. But times have changed and we have to move forward as a club. With a little out the box thinking there are ways to show this foolish law for the shambles it is.

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18 Dec 2013 17:56:55
HB a don't think am the most intelligent but a do know am a Celtic fan not a GB fan a didn't go to the games thinking yas al see the GB today and a still don't. If they can't play by the rules then am afraid they can't go . For the simple reason is that Celtic are getting punished because of them. If you and GB members want to take your fight to the powers that be batter on in, a would love use to win your fight, but until the GB actions stop hurting celtic in ma eyes they can't go. Nothing to do with Motherwell game.

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You're not actually buying this "Dundee riot" are ye GJ? I was at Dundee last Boxing Day completely stone cold sober with a two day hangover. I didn't see a single Celtic fan pish where they stood, didn't see any seats getting broke and didn't see any fights. There was a few bangers (pyro, and scheme bangers you get at all games - first Celtic game in 5 years draped in a tricolour, green glasses, Jester hat, out their skull. I think you know the type I mean). I did see a mob of about 70 Utility leave on 70 mins and getting held back by police down towards the busses though as their intent was to smash the busses and have a pop at Celtic scarfers similarly to Hearts' mob. I do agree however about the Jungle and new breed of fans. But I don't want our club to be Hibernificated and let go of our heritage!

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MonkeyBhoy, I think you've missed my point. I'm not fighting for the GB to have their ban lifted. I'm saying the Celtic fans who think the GB's ban and the disbanded North Curve will bring an end to fan harassment are deluded. Now there's no GB and 111 at games, focus will be on away game regulars then once they're banned or boycotting games the focus will be on your regular Sit Down Shut Up CSC.

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HB is spot on. We are all being sanitised. The GB are ordinary fans who just did not move with the times.ie They are/ were too genuine and true to their heritage and love of all things Celtic. that's why they are being punished. Its a bloddy witch hunt and so many have been hoodwinked and brainwashed into arguing and judging the GB with scant evidence and an outrageous attacks on their civil liberties has happened with hardly a whimper. A very nice case of divide and rule. Why can't people see the real crime here. The crime against civil liberties.
The Green Brigade have well and truly been shafted. Mores the pity the blade was firmly in the hand of the suits at CP. don't worry though bhoys and ghirls there's a new Brigade ready and willing to take over and destroy any authenticity or free thought. Yes you guessed it the Politically Correct Brigade. All paid up subscribers to the big british bake off and geordie shore and they probably still watch the news on the tv and think its truth.
Why can't people see that football fans are seen as the enemy by the establishment and anything that controls the masses is seen as good. Do you know how they are enjoying watching all these ordered well behaved sanitised bio bots. We used to be thinking passionate emotional human beings but now we worry more about what someone or some group thinks than being genuine. Anyone not conforming to the double standards and dictat of the authorities is marginalised and demonised.The GB are Nothing more than just commodities who when they become an embarrassment are to be disposed of.
Dont worry though fans won't be needed soon enough. Just look at Monaco. The nightmare is already here. Wake up Celtic fans. Sopotcelt.

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A jungle regular myself GJ, some great memories, one bad memory Celtic 3 St Mirren 0. 33 arrests, included in the 33 was myself and two mates all arrests were made in the jungle and all teenagers most of us first time offenders locked up for the weekend.

the reason Desmond White! 1977 and Big Jock had refused an offer to move upstairs as part of whites vision to move the club forward, another part of the vision was to cleanse the jungle of the sectarian singing
and appease the SFA, who at the time were again asking questions why Celtic continued to fly the Irish flag during the height of the troubles.

cue operation lift a tim sanctioned by White. same day across the city Rangers /Aberdeen no arrests.

fast forward 2013 and w`ere still seeing the same treatment being dished out to our young supporters, and our great club, bending over backwards to shop them to the authorities in another one sided version of lift a tim.

innocent then innocent now their only crime it seems is their youth.
educate the wee feckers don't hang them out to dry

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@ HamiltonBhoy; Sarcasm mate. I saw nothing out of the ordinary either, just the usual zoomers.

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@6 logged on Ed. don't know why reply not tagging. sorry could you tag please £50 fine and ten weeks to pay by the way.

Bennybhoy.

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@GJ My bad mate, that used to getting shot down on here at times it's hard not to bite and lose sight of sarcasm lol.

Some of you might have seen on the tv website this evening "Celtic Green Brigade fans face trial over IRA song" - The lads in question were in court the first week of November, all of a sudden the media decide to publish this article half way through December? In my opinion, it's a complete stitch up to keep the GB in the headlines as they have nothing else to publish about Celtic, fans or the group at the moment. Yet more evidence that there is an agenda to harass Celtic fans, especially the GB! Is singing a song about 10 Irish hunger strikers who died for freedom any worse than the youths of today listening to rap music which promotes drugs, weapons, violence, etc?

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18 Dec 2013 09:36:11
I fear that 2014 will be a very telling year in the Celtic history, for one it will see no green brigade ok we might not all be leave in ther political views but the way the club sat back and watched ther members be treated was a crime in its self if anything The club supported the authority's in ther agender to arrest and hound them, 2nd the moneys from big sales and good runs in the cl seem to evaporated as the war cry of the board there's no money, 3rd I can not see Celtic getting through to the cl league stage as the team is in my eyes not good enough I hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it,? And in my opinion when we don't go through the men up stairs Lowell, Desmond and co will come up with the same old trick bring in a has been household name for a couple of month to pasafie the masses, 4th I think it will be the lowest season book numbers for years, and 5th I hope not but I think this will be the year we see Lennon move on as he will have no option but to ask for money and we all know what the answer will be, I hope I'm wrong on my views for the future but I can't see it going any other way and when Celtic should be looking to go one better than they did last year I fear that in the heads of the men at the top it's as simple as rangers are back 2015 so the mugs in the stands will happy with that, just one last thing and this is to the lawells and Desmond's of this world remember what happened to the Kelly's, the English tim

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Thank you for your letter of resignation ET, bet you said the same thing when we sold our"big 3" and we done not too bad. Yes we need to sign but what is meant to be is meant to be. We done great qualifying for CL and Neil what is required for next years Qualification games with the World Cup and all. Hail Hail
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English Tim, I agree with most of what you have said, apart from the Lennon going and that being a shame - I think he will stay and we will become more stale, not just because of his inability to develop his tactical approach, but because also the many reasons you have sighted.

TamTimTic, no offence meant, but your post smacks of the alarming and growing number of fans who seem to be happy to settle for mediocrity. We were poor this season as we were shafted by the board - and will continue to be. The run the club purely as a business and lesser a lesser as a fans football club.
The SPL isn't even a competition. We should be winning games 5 nil each time. The standard of opposition we face each week is no better than English Div One, you know, the one below the championship!
If fans are happy to win the spl each year and for the Celtic PR machine to tell us how great that is, plus just qualify for the CL groups each year and no more, well that simply states we have zero ambition and this board are happy with that.
I as a Celtic fan am not happy with that and I do possess ambition.
It is proven that we can compete in Europe and get into the last 16 - so we should be aiming to do this each year as a collective club effort.
Sorry times are ahead for us with very little return on the pitch, but the accounts will continue to look good and pay Peter and his pals a nice wee xmas bonus each year.
WTBhoy

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WTBhoy fair comment but I am a realist. Championship in England can offer a lot more money than we can and that is a problem, but at the end of the day are we really going to be able to challenge to get to the 1/4s or semis of the Big Cup? We are stable and in a good position and until the league we play in is changed then I will settle for what we have got. There is not a choice here, our survival comes first and I for one would never risk that on the off chance we might be able to get to the last 8 of the Big Cup, Hail Hail
TamTimTic

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Tam tim tic I don't know about realism I would put you more down to accepting its just some of us want better and with the sums not hard to do, we as paying Celtic fans see that money is going in the wrong way into pockets of the money men and not on the pitch, the fact is we all know what the serious outcome of clubs spending something they have not got but on the other hand we also know the out come of greedy board members pocketing moneys that should be put in to bettering the club they claim to want to better, my view is 2014 will be a telling year for Celtic but also a very quiet one in side paradise without the gb I go to Celtic to see the football but without the gb it will be a very different place and in my views a less enjoyable one

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