Celtic Banter Archive August 18 2017

 

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18 Aug 2017 21:05:15
Where's this figure of 2.75m for a years loan of Paddy coming from?

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18 Aug 2017 21:52:54
Twitter Twats. You can't move for the doss cants predicting and contradicting themselves daily from a source entombed in their arse.

What do these people do when the feckin window closes?

Ball breakers.

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18 Aug 2017 21:54:18
They quoted that figure on snyde tonight.

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18 Aug 2017 22:15:32
There's no way we"ll be paying 2.75m for a years loan for Paddy that's £55,000 a week! Not a chance unless we've agreed a figure to buy him outright after loan which I doubt.

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20 Aug 2017 21:40:40
Whether its true or not, 2.75 million is not a kings ransom for a club of our stature, let the jealous mourn!

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20 Aug 2017 21:41:56
That's why I thought 2.75 million was a bit over the top. Heard it on Snyde and reports online. Rodgers salary is around 2 million ( according to media) so there's no chance a deal would be above the managers! No doubt Brendan's on a huge bonus for qualification to the champions league along with the big wigs on charge. Hopefully Lawell gives a chunk of it for another 2 or 3 quality players.

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18 Aug 2017 19:50:27
After 2 hectic days sightseeing with my cousin's family and then Wednesday's game had a quiet time today (we are all knackered lol) but our Irish/ American visitors want to see Loch Lomond which we plan to do tomorrow, Mrs T was about to also say LOCH NESS, until I kicked her under the table lol.
Then on Sunday my cousin wants to visit The Barras, I tried to tell him to keep his childhood memories as the Barras is dying a slow death but he wants his wife and daughter to see it, he also remembers the old sweetie shop there that sold all the old fashioned sweets, Glickmans I think it is called.
I almost choked on my toast when he also said he wanted to visit The SARACENS HEAD pub. He has rosy memories of the Sara as a teenager, again I tried to tell him that the pub these days was "less salubrious" than he imagined. (Sorry Pat)
The girls have also persuaded him to try a deep fried mars bar coated in batter, his daughter was persuaded to try a lorne sausage sandwich also luvely grub ha ha.

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18 Aug 2017 20:34:27
U get quite a GD read in the book shop nxt to the sweet shop.

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18 Aug 2017 21:42:26
Funnily enough was just reading an interview by Mani from the Stone Roses who said he was drinking in Bairds Bar the afternoon of their Glasgow Green gig in 1990 with Crew member Meety who was showing his Man Utd tattoo to the locals. He was told to go do it in the Saracen Head and see how long he would last.

Bought many a CD in there after a game. The Holy Goalie and Big Eck must stay 2 favourites of mine.

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18 Aug 2017 19:14:24
who was asking for away tickets may have spare for tomorrow.

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18 Aug 2017 18:08:26
How long has Paddy got on his Man City contract? Two years here, success, contract running down, no prospects of a game down there. that's the scenario where we might get him, seems to me. Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - Roberts City contract runs until 2020.}

18 Aug 2017 18:56:46
Two years to run after this next loan. He'll think he has time. We need to do something spectacular to tempt him. It could happen. Might depend on how Man Coty do.

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18 Aug 2017 19:28:03
I must admit as glad as I am to see Paddy return, another loan deal is not ideal, and us paying over £2.5m for a year is wasted money also.
On the plus side for all the games we will be playing we need him to bolster Forrest, Sinclair and Hayes and the young lad we got from Ipswich in the wide areas.
Another centre back now would be good and with Cifcti away on loan to Plymouth, surely that opens up another centre forward space to help Dembele (IF he stays) and Griffiths.

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20 Aug 2017 21:37:11
I am happy to pay £2.5m each year for the next three years for Paddy and get him on a free come 2020. Man City cannot compete with KT.

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18 Aug 2017 16:57:32
Ed great news as it looks like Paddy will be returning next season on loan but I'm must admit I'm slightly disappointed we could not get him on a permanent deal. While I've no doubt he could make an impact at city next season I really don't see him having a future there especially with the money they throw about. We also face the possibility of having to replace Roberts, Armstrong and Dembele next summer. Do you think they're a possibility of loan to buy Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - No.}

18 Aug 2017 17:18:19
Totally agree about Roberts loan deal again really when did CELTIC FC become nursery club for small rich owned efl clubs. Should have been permanent deal or tell them to do one.

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18 Aug 2017 18:07:08
£2.75 million for a year is a big layout for a 1 year loan.

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18 Aug 2017 18:29:11
Ed how much have we paid to Man City to get him for a season. Any idea how much of his wages we are paying?

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{Ed007's Note - I've no idea.}

18 Aug 2017 18:34:55
This is how you get a player of a higher level that is or would normally be outwith celtics reach and we are lucky paddy gets what it feels to be celtic? If it does get concluded then I will be very happy with the club's 2.75 million outlay as it's a guaranteed quality signing not a risk at all. Looks like it's going to be another fun season ahead bhoys 😀🍀🏆.

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18 Aug 2017 18:41:21
Club not showing any ambition with the the two deals announced today . All this money from CL and still we won't let this giant of a club grow and be we're it deserves. Last 16 possibiy last 8 depending on a bit of luck in draw.

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18 Aug 2017 19:06:35
no ambition? imo roberts and armstrong signing were a must albeit loan and short term the make up of last seasons squad is still together add to that the addition of ntcham, the emergence of ralston this season i think will be a big one. For me a centre half and a 3rd striker and ill be a happy bhoy.

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18 Aug 2017 19:11:31
Come on minto11, he's already been with us 18 months and been excellent. We know exactly what we are getting regardless of loan status he will be even better this year and develop further under Rogers within a developing team at an exciting time for them.

Roberts is not your average loan and I don't think it says anything about the club that people don't already know in terms of finance - bottom of EPL get 6 or 7 times what we get as champions. Never king the additional share of tv deal.

The key this summer was to keep our best players and attempt to add a bit of quality to up the ante in CL Group. In different worlds, we are a bit like Spurs and getting genuine quality to improve isn't easy especially when you are trying to get value. Some people are going off their nut that we haven't signed x or y position or player but what is the point if our best can raise their game a bit more then that moves replacing say Dembele into a whole other bracket.

If Tierney leaves in the next coupl of years we are not replacing him as he is genuinely one of the best LB in the game. I'm not saying Roberts is the attacking equivalent but he cost city 12m+ at the age when Tierney broke into our team - we can't pay that but just think how great it is that we produced that.

There are a lot of good players being hoarded by big clubs and I think the only difference between Ntcham and Roberts is that Roberts was determined to get a chance and prove his worth to Guardiola. Ntcham was ready to leave to continue playing first team football and we look like we've got a bargain but if he continues to play like the other night then I'd have taken an 18 month loan for him. If can't produce it we know we can develop it so 2 year loans or buy back clauses are decent (not perfect) for us.

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18 Aug 2017 20:53:25
Delighted Roberts is coming just think 2.5 million a lot to pay. Man City only paid Fulham 6 million up front the rest was add ins which won't be met. Just would have liked him to sign full time instead of clinging on to something that won't happen for him at city.

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20 Aug 2017 21:34:52
We only need to ask KT to ask.

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20 Aug 2017 21:39:30
That's a good post ATB. I know the window isn't shut yet but I am hoping we get through it with last year's squad intact. I was questioning the logic of the SA deal earlier but on reflection the positive outcome is that we have continuity for the first time in years. We have kept our best players and added some quality reinforcements. When all's said and done that is what we have all being crying out for.

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18 Aug 2017 13:39:00
Just watched a few clips, read some articles on Kieran Tierney. This kid is special, living the dream of all of us but ACTUALLY knows he is.

In a world of football madness (Diego Costa's current situation for example, ridiculous inflated English fees) KT is wonderful example of how to conduct yourself as a footballer. Would bleed dry for our club. In my opinion, which I am aware means nothing, he is priceless.

I think it's beyond a man crush now. KT I genuinely love you, think we all do.

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18 Aug 2017 14:14:55
Reminds me of McStay a class act with a genuine love of the Club. Hope we have him his entire career.

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18 Aug 2017 14:41:32
He's bulking up and a lot fitter. The kids 1 of the best in Britain. No doubt the press will have him moving on! When you look thru the celtic team there's loads of players worth good transfer fees. Hopefully nobody leaves this year and a few players are added. When Dembele is back I hope he has a great season and can make the step up to the french national squad for next years world cup. His price tag will be huge!

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18 Aug 2017 15:11:30
Agree KT is priceless, besides the skill and ability to adapt, there is that passion which cannot be bought. He is immense.

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18 Aug 2017 15:31:27
One of the best in Britain? One of the best in Europe! This is a lad MARCA put in their best young XI along with the 150m rated Mbappé.

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18 Aug 2017 15:36:11
Couldnt believe the difference in him pre season he's like the Hulk. Nothing better than having a player who not only loves the club but is dedicated to being the best player/ athlete he can be. Must have been some feeling for him being captain in the huddle last week.

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18 Aug 2017 16:12:43
That bhoys is going to be best in the world. No way He is staying in Scotland his whole career. He should be taking Spanish lessons the now because he's got Barcelona wrote all over him.

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18 Aug 2017 16:12:48
The development under BR is there for all to see. His man management is second to none! The players are fitter, stronger and have a winning mentally throughout the squad.

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18 Aug 2017 19:35:15
@Kev83,you are spot on, he will not bother with the epl rubbish and go directly to real or Barca, he is a winner, we should enjoy him while we can.

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20 Aug 2017 21:35:55
hes already at a bigger club than barca.

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18 Aug 2017 13:21:32
Quite happy with Armstrong signing an extension to his contract. A lot of negativity still seems to be circling though. I don't really see the point of a longer contract as going on what's happening with Virgil/ costa it doesn't mean an awful lot. He can now focus on the season which is a long time in football, could easily get an injury or lose form, so let's be happy he's here for the time being.

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{Ed007's Note - Do you think Southampton would be asking for £70 + million for VVD if he was going into the last year of his deal? Remember we forced VVD to stay an extra year because of the length of contract he had with us. Contract lengths are very important to clubs when planning for the future and more importantly the fees they ask.}

18 Aug 2017 18:34:24
Van dijk signed a 6 year contract eh? I think if he had a full year they'd still ask for crazy money. At least 50m. There was talk of upwards of 40mil for Sanchez and he's only got a year left. So who knows what teams would ask for. Southampton won't let van dijk rot for 5 years, and will accept an offer soon. that's why i think his contract is irrelevant.

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{Ed007's Note - There's a lot more to a contract than how long it's for but if they're irrelevant why do clubs bother with them? Southampton reason for asking so high a fee is because of the length of contract van Dijk signed only last year, it's very relevant when it comes to transfer negotiations.
I agree that van Dijk will move soon enough to Chelsea or maybe Man City but if he doesn't Southampton are happy enough for him to sit and rot until he realises how much of a knob he's being. Their chairman has said the player isn't for sale and they refused his transfer request - all things they can do because he's under contract to them.}

18 Aug 2017 18:58:27
I agree van dijk is being a knob, but a team will never let a player rot on 100k a week for 5 years. Player has too much power. In the Armstrong case it stops him going on a bosman if he accepted a contract in january, so that's all that really matters.

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{Ed007's Note - OK then.}

18 Aug 2017 13:13:54
Is it not possible that Celtic only offered SA an amended 2 year deal. Celtic know they have plenty of options in the middle and to offer someone top dollar to sit on the bench doesn't make sense - everyone is a winner here. SA gets a few money pounds whereas Celtic, if sold in January, get a bigger transfer fee. SA will find it difficult breaking into the 1st 11 again.

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{Ed007's Note - So you're saying he will find it hard to get in the starting 11 and that sitting on the bench for five months is going to put his value up? Having 5 months extra on his contract in January is more valuable fee wise than coming off the back of the season he just had?}

18 Aug 2017 14:39:06
I might be wrong with this but didn't Petrov do something similar. He signed a new contract and was then sold, rumour was that he signed the contract so Celtic could get a good fee for him?

Might be similar thing here?

Or I might have made that up.

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18 Aug 2017 06:16:32
Hey Ed mate
Any update on the Roberts situation? From my understanding he wants to come but city would rather he joined an epl team on loan for more experience.
Are we looking at another 12 months loan for him or possibly buy him?
I'd love Robert's back but I don't think I'd be up for another loan as we would be better of just buying a winger instead.
I wonder when we qualify for the CL if we could do a deal with city where we bought Robert's for around £8m and give city a buy back clause of maybe £12m. Could that work or am I dreaming? The lad is better of moving somewhere permanent ASAP as heaps of loan deals can't be good for a young player and I can't see him getting a game for city as youngsters just don't get chances at these club's.
Any update would be greatly appreciated.

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{Ed007's Note - There's nothing new regarding Roberts. I don't think City get back to England until some time today.}

18 Aug 2017 10:25:17
Woopdidoo Armstrong signs 1 year extension suppose he is tied down a bit more than he was but we will just have to go through the same will he won't he next summer. Will he get in ahead of Broonie and ntcham?

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18 Aug 2017 10:35:34
Was thinkin the same thing bigp! Hardly committing yirself to the club is it! He'll be offski in January or next summer! I would have preferred he was sold to be honest! It's quite clear that he's already thinking about his next move! Ntcham and Broonie all day long for me! So we'll get to next summer and the same discussion will happen, will he stay on or not! Not doubting the boys ability but for me it leaves a bad taste! When they said 2 year deal I thought on top of his current deal which would have took him to 2020!

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18 Aug 2017 10:42:11
Think it's a petrov situation with this one. The club has probably said sign a contract and we won't stand in your way come January when some English club needs saving from relegation.

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18 Aug 2017 10:46:44
Great that he has signed but with it only being a 1 year extension i expect him to be sold next summer. I was hoping it would be a 2 year extension so It's pretty clear he does not see his long term future at Celtic so hopefully he continues to improve this season and we can cash in next summer for a decent amount of cash.

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18 Aug 2017 11:06:58
I'm stunned that Brendan has said ok to this deal to be honest lads! We're basically giving a player who has no intention of staying a big pay rise! It's pretty obvious none of the also rans from the promised land have shown interest so let's just sign a years extension on more money and pray they come in next summer or January! Na not for me I'm afraid! Like I said I'm really shocked Brendan has agreed this deal!

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{Ed007's Note - It's nothing to do with Brendan Rodgers, Peter Lawwell makes these decisions and he will take into account Rodgers and Congerton's opinion on the player but ultimately the decision lies with Lawwell.}

18 Aug 2017 11:15:51
Was thinking the same Armstrong signing on at that length of contract says to me that he wants to leave come January anyway but Celtic will now make more out of any deal.

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18 Aug 2017 11:18:44
They have just bought a couple of mil onto his transfer fee for them that's all what do u think ED?

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{Ed007's Note - No because this time next year we'll be in the same boat and he'll only have a year left. We're not going to get top dollar for a player with a year left on his contract.}

18 Aug 2017 11:18:45
Is it seriously only a 12 month extension sa has signed? Said on sky it was 2 yrs can't believe it's only a yr if so get him punted boys obviously not been interested from the off then punted in Jan for top dollar thought he was a smart guy aswell hh.

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{Ed007's Note - It's a new 2 year deal which replaces the year he had left.}

18 Aug 2017 11:18:26
Well I'm even more stunned that lawell has agreed to part with more money to a player who clearly would be off at the first offer! What's your take on it then ED?

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{Ed007's Note - It's obvious Rodgers wants him to stay and Lawwell has made that happen even if it is only in the short term.}

18 Aug 2017 11:27:33
For me we have a player who on form can be a big player for us but we now know his long term future lies elsewhere so we have made the right decision we can sell mid season or in the summer and get considerably more cash, more so than rushing into a quick sale next week or letting him walk away for free. The Club have done the best they can out of this situation.

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{Ed007's Note - Why will we get considerably more cash for him? For a start I don't think he'll play as many games this season with Ntcham here so I don't see us getting more money for a squad player with a year left on his deal than we would for someone who has just had the best season of his career with a year left.}

18 Aug 2017 11:29:31
I think he's getting punted very shortly.

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18 Aug 2017 11:37:53
Ed do you think Celtic would entertain any bids from the Clubs who were interested in him. With as you say us being in exactly the same position next summer i think i'd accept a £10m bid right now.

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{Ed007's Note - Nah, clubs will see him signing the new deal as him being happy enough where he is for now. The Club's not going to spend so much time and effort on getting him to pen a new deal only to tell the player he's getting sold in the next 2 weeks, unless it was a crazy offer to us and the player.}

18 Aug 2017 11:40:27
A fair point is he going to get game time, possibly not. Ntcham starts every game for me on current form. I'm now swaying to us selling him this window if we can.

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18 Aug 2017 12:11:53
Could Armstrong play the rogic roll? Great at drifting into the box and getting onto passes has great shooting ability and a better engine than rogic maybe a midfield five of Broonie Ntcham sinclair Armstrong and a n other? Great options we now have its a good time to be a Tim Hail Hail.

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18 Aug 2017 12:12:48
Sa is a very good player when on song but not anywhere near irreplaceable he wont play every game this season.

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18 Aug 2017 12:48:26
I think we might punt him in January, would make sense with it being a shorter deal. Keep him for our run in the CL and let a PL team spend the cash when it's a difficult time to sign the right players and there a*se falls out.

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18 Aug 2017 13:09:01
Why is anyone bothered about Armstrongs new deal? Obviously BR has said he wants to keep him. We don't know if there was an offer in for him or not? He will go next season as several others may go as well. If BR want him and the only way was a 2 year deal then happy days. Its up to BR. What do we lot know how or why BR thinks he can add value. With Ntcham i don't see he is that important and we have other good players like mcgregor and rogic who will score goals so i am not that worried if he stays or goes.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm not including myself in this but Armstrong will probably find that there's been a bit of a shift in attitude towards him from quite a lot of fans. For me Armstrong has been given some bad advice over the past few months, someone's needing to tell him to look at that side of things.}

18 Aug 2017 13:21:49
I said when Ntcham came in I could see him taking Armstrong's slot so to be honest I would have been OK with him being sold this window. He still has a lot to offer us though and is a great option to have even if it's just for six months.

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{Ed007's Note - I'll be amazed if Armstrong leaves in January, JT. He could have and probably would have just held off and signed a big money pre-contract with someone if that was the plan.}

18 Aug 2017 13:33:49
I thought that would be the optimimum time for a sale Ed. Am I getting the numbers wrong with his contract? This time next year will he not be in the last year of his contract? Pretty much where he would be if he hadn't of signed a new deal now?

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{Ed007's Note - Armstrong's deal ran until 2018 so if he hadn't signed this new deal he would have been out of contract next summer and able to sign a pre-contract in January 2018. That deal has been binned and he's signed this new deal that runs to 2019 so next summer he'll have a year left and we're back where we have been for the last few months. I expect Armstrong will move next summer.}

18 Aug 2017 13:46:19
Who knows Gents maybe it's possible in 12-18 months time SA might feel settled and happy to extend further. We can all find flaws in it only being a year extension but plenty can happen in a year. Players come and go and we move on regardless, I'm still buzzing at Ntchams performances we have signed a gem.

Hopefully another 2 or 3 in and either sell or loan any players not required for the season ahead.

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18 Aug 2017 14:01:32
Happily take your word on that one Ed if that's the way you see it, you know more about the way all this works than me. We've got you on your toes today big man, keep it up 👍.

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{Ed007's Note - Cheers mate.}

18 Aug 2017 14:27:48
I have backed SA to the hilt on here but this makes no sense to me. We can blame his advisors all we want, but if he is as intelligent as we are told, then surely he knows the management and fans are going to look at this as a complete lack of commitment. I am actually more pissed off at the extension than I would have been had he been sold.

Perhaps the Club is hoping that he will have a change of heart (and management) over the course of this deal so they can renegotiate down the line? Even so, why take that chance? If we have to go through this 'will he - won't he' nonsense in another year it just becomes tiresome. As others have said, I don't expect we will get the best from him now as he will not be first choice every week. Strange decision.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was sold before the end of the window to be honest.

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18 Aug 2017 15:37:06
ABHFJB, it's no secret he doesn't want to spend his whole career with us.

I also find it strange that we'll be in the same situation this time next year.

The plus side I suppose is that he'll not be signing any pre-contracts this year. I do not want to lose him for nowt.

What SA has in mind, and what the club has in mind may very well be different. At least now also, we have an extra year now to weigh up options, source a replacement etc as it's pretty evident he won't be staying beyond this deal to me. The onus should be on Celtic using this deal to our advantage.

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20 Aug 2017 21:36:57
JT I suppose we all have a tendency to judge players against are own feelings for the Club, and let of steam when someone 'dares' to leave. In this case though I am pretty annoyed, mainly because I rate him so highly.

I get the lad sees it solely as a job and has no great love for football, never mind affinity for our Club. I honestly have no problem with him trying to maximise his earnings, as we all do that. I just feel he has come across badly here in the way this has played out.

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18 Aug 2017 08:40:27
Some interesting stats the hoops have now hone 8hrs and 52 mins without losing a hoal in europe and if they keep a clean sheet on tues they'll hold the scottish record also it will be there 340th euro tie another record along with their 529 goals 65 ahead of sevco . right am away to get the anarak off.

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18 Aug 2017 09:49:42
I thought it would have been 528 ahead of sevco?

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18 Aug 2017 10:51:42
I see Armstrong competing with McGregor and Rogic, not the defensive midfielders? Wonder if Henderson has a future.

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{Ed007's Note - Why would he be competing with them up front when his best football was played beside Brown in the 2 as a box to box midfielder or LM of a midfield 3? People go on about Armstrong playing as a No.10 but when has he played there. At Dundee Utd he played mostly on the left as well.}

18 Aug 2017 11:31:05
He's not a number 10. If he was here long term he'd be browns replacement but can't see that now.

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18 Aug 2017 12:01:45
armstrong can't seem to win eitber way here judging by some comments . the boys signed up until 2019 that should draw a line under it for now . let's get behind the boy because i think he's going to be the perfect foil for ntcham i reckon these are two players on the same wave length ntcham makes passes most off our players can't see coming but for me armstrongs the one who could benefit playing in a mid 3.

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18 Aug 2017 12:43:05
His comments are very positive and we now have a very strong midfield that we can chop and change.

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18 Aug 2017 07:01:18
Lack of transfer activity - Now that we appear to have done enough to get into the CL Group stages I am beginning to get a more concerned about losing players rather than getting new ones in. How many of those clubs with big money are now wanting to strengthen and, as the deadline approaches, are looking at our players?

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18 Aug 2017 08:33:10
The biggest saga was always going to be Dembele but surely now he wouldn't pass a medical. Armstrong will put pen to paper. Hopefully we can offload guys like Ciftci and Henderson and I'd probably still send Benyu on loan to keep him playing most weeks as it won't happen here. Paddy Roberts and maybe 1 or 2 wee surprises.

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18 Aug 2017 08:45:13
Give it a break mate honestly, we've not even played the second leg yet. With regards to players leaving I don't think we will lose anyone of significance.

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18 Aug 2017 09:25:37
BR stated he is looking to get at least 2 more in. He also mentioned we have a few different targets.

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18 Aug 2017 09:50:02
West Ham have apparently put a bid on the table for dembele. We need to keep our best players if we are ever going to become a club that can challenge in Europe again. With champions league practically secured i would want to see a new CB and a RW. There's not really another area we need to strengthen at this current time in my opinion.

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18 Aug 2017 10:19:50
KenLikeEh I'm hoping that BR's public stance of not needing another CB is just to boost the players because I think we need another CB of quality as Erik and Boyata aren't quite at that level for me.

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18 Aug 2017 11:32:38
Left back and right wing plus a top keeper would have me over the moon.

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18 Aug 2017 12:42:33
I'm in the same frame of mind with the CB situation Kevbhoy. Simunovic is a very big talent, some of the situations he deals with is insane. Seems to always be his partner that gets caught out so he really needs a partner of his quality. Coetzee was being quoted but I've read up on him and the Ajax Cape Town fans are saying he will need to bulk up to deal with the Scottish game. I'm sure this could be arranged as his distribution from the back is meant to be very very good. Definitely a Rodgers type player it seems.

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