Celtic Banter Archive June 17 2014

17 Jun 2014 20:25:28
Unless you are new to the job which you might be Jr Ed. This sight slated Gordon Strachan you included during his time as manager. In giving our own a chance I mean being Scottish local boys not Bhoys of course. Managers can change but you need a hard core bunch of guys with local knowledge. John Collins and John Kennedy have that. I don't make anything up only respond to facts and give my opinion.

John Collins friend formally of the Sunday Mail and him being a back biter do you have any facts on your response to my last post. Or are you Hugh in disguise Mr controversy. You really have posted some crap over the last weeks.

{Ed007's Note - More made up rubbish.... I wasn't here when Strachan was manager, there was no CFC editor so any panning was done by posters, or do they all need to agree with you as well.0. You don't like it don't read it, it's that simple even you can understand that and it's not me in disguise, why don't you use your other log-in?
You seem to be getting a bit upset, is the heat making you cranky? How do you deal with the facts about Collins managerial career and the fact nobody has taken him on, is he really that ahead of his time?
Maybe that's what Blatter meant by the intergalactic tournament, Collins has been transforming football on other planets, it would explain why he has been so far of the footballing radar for years!
I doubt he would have been able to keep his mouth shut about it though. I bet Fergus McCann is pleased to see 'one of our own' back in the fold.}

17 Jun 2014 21:43:38
This was from the man that said Larsson N Keane never gave too hoots about Celtic!

I have had my doubts about John Collins and his inability to have a meaningful jobs for years. Yet some posters seemed to think he has been the "one" in waiting for us .
We have him now and I hope he does the job for us . One of the things I will be looking out for is for him to slip into obscurity . It's better if we don't hear him, or about him .
Good luck John and may Ronnie and you lead us onwards and upwards .

Think it's time for a little clarity ed how many people have multiple logins? And who are they?

{Ed007's Note - Anyone caught having multiple log-ins is banned right away Jim. There isn't a list of accounts to check as such but we have ways of tracing posts throughout the sites using various means, like a better more powerful version of when you click on a poster and see their past posts. The majority of posters act like adults and don't see the need to act like silly buggars. I've not even blocked him yet to see if he would come back to deny it.}

Cheers ed

Alright I'll hold my hands up and admit I have 2 accounts only this one has been used this year as I forgot the password for my old account as you will see Ed. Anyway they are both Pax Vobiscum. Rules are rules when you make them up Ed. My posts are honest and you and your minions have found me guilty of treason. I go in peace no pun intended over to you Bhoys.

17 Jun 2014 16:27:17
Hi Green Jedhi your response to mine pal (sorry ed keys sticking again on reply to)

Am glad you agree with the Idea of Strikers Coach real nice to see people warming to a good idea (This is the bit you come in Ed lol) In turn and in tandem in principle I agree with you about Goalkeepers/Strikers I am not looking to compare "apples with apples" bud I am trying to get to the "CORE" of the problem

I read in the Herald (I think) or the Scotsman papers I read that Fingbossan whilst @ Hutcheson Vale modelled his game on HL a never said he was a Celtic Fan he is in Fact a MAN U fan a said he said if it was to be SCOTLAND he returned to it would have to be Celtic!

In relation to this strikers coach it has to be kept fresh IMO a said with NL knowing them ALL and being at the HEALM that Big Sutton and Hartson and HL should/could have been brought in in THIRTEEN week cylces to keep it fresh

As for Wanyama did we not Bring him in @ 800k and sell for 12 mil? are you saying we never improved him? If that is the case someone text that BANGAURA invite him back short term because a want 5 or 6 mill for him plus add ons for playing against US! atb GJ

JB7

{Ed007's Note - If you are a striker who can't score goals then you shouldn't be a striker and you shouldn't be at CFC. You can't teach someone how to score, it's up to the manager to have the team playing to a striker's strengths, you can cross the ball all day into a 5ft 6 striker and he won't score against 6ft2 defenders, how can you teach someone to jump? It's not the specific coaching of positions, it's coaching the whole team how to play and implementing the correct tactics.
I seen you mentioned Sheringham coming at West Ham but he is there to help BFS (Big Fat Sam) to change the team's entire style of play, not just work with strikers. If you've ever been unfortunate enough to ever watch one of BFS's teams he hasn't changed from playing the long ball in 20 years.}

17 Jun 2014 17:29:04
Ed a still luv ya mate ;-)

But big Sam was only allowed to keep his post on the condition he brought in this type of coach

{Ed007's Note - Oh you sweet-talker you! But the point of the appointment was to improve the team's style of play, something BFS couldn't do. Just because NL couldn't change it on his own doesn't mean Deila can't, I expect to see a marked improvement on the team's overall playing style next season thanks solely to Delia's appointment. When it comes to the crunch the team play as the manager tells them and if the team aren't creating the chances then what's the point in having a striker's coach or do we then bring in a CAM coach or an attacking FB coach, where does it stop? If you have the right players and play the right system and tactics you'll score goals.}

I agree completely with you Ed. With the squad and the financial health of the club, I certainly expect Deila to bring us forward with a swagger . We have the makings of a good young squad of players, we don't need a massive in take of players but we do need a massive in put of belief and direction. If everyone works together we can reach new heights .

17 Jun 2014 15:10:44
Celtic manager Ronny Deila told the club website: "John is a first-class coach and has ideas on football which are very similar to mine, so I am sure he will be a great addition to my team.

Let's just hope Collins doesn't go into the Celtic dressing room, take his top off and say "this is the kind of physique you should have" the same way he did at Hibs when he first took over as boss.

I don't know how many times I've heard people bring up that supposed story about JC supposedly showing off his muscles. Knowing the west of Scotland I'm sure bits have been added on to make it sound more dramatic, even if it went exactly like everyone says, we don't know the context, - everyone that talks about that young Hibs team at the time says they were super arrogant themselves, supposedly they used to come through to Celtic Park shouting the odds about sorting players out on the pitch etc, and that is straight from big Sutty's/Hartson's/Lennon's mouth. There is a lad in the paper today saying how humble Collins is, saying he would coach 24 a day to help you improve, this is a guy that knows him. I'm not happy he's joined us because he was a great player or is a Celtic man, I like his mentality - from the youths up we have too many who aren't dedicated enough, that's why we are producing duds, hopefully with this new team we start doing more sessions, and more sessions with the ball. Cheers

{Ed007's Note - Paul, again you are putting far too much emphasis on the job Collins will do, he is Deila's assistant, he will do what he's told to do it's as simple as that and the assistant manager doesn't have anything to do with what young players are doing, that comes from Delia and JP.
I thought CFC fans never believed anything in the papers? There are people out there that know El Hadj Diouf and like him but you're only believing stories that back-up your own opinion, the Collins arrogance is made up West of Scotland stuff but the story that Collins is a nice guy is 100% genuine? Why not interview the Hibs players to see what they say about him, or would that just be made up as well?}

Tommy gemmill and big yogi have recently released books where they weren't very complimentary to big Jock but they still went out and bust a gut for him, when hibs won the league cup they obviously gave there all for JC so they don't need to like him just do what there told that's what they're paid for

I didn't say it was made up, only take it with a pinch of salt. Also I'm not putting too much emphasis on anything, - we don't know how they will work, we might see something similar to the boot room method that Liverpool used. The point I was making was Collins has high standards/very dedicated and if kids even see that then even unconsciously it might rub off! You obviously don't like him/want him, fine, I do. It's nothing to do with whether he played for us, I am also glad Lennon is away, for no other reason than I didn't like the football/overall standards and methods at the club. I couldn't care less about history/background, the only criteria is only ever quality. I wouldn't have went for the 2 guys we have in an ideal world, but we know the way Celtic operate, I've been going to games for nearly 30 years, and the mindset hasn't really changed, but it is what it is.

{Ed007's Note - So why do you want him or more importantly why did CFC want him when NOBODY else has for years? If he was that good a coach or manager he would be getting paid to do it.}

If you read the post that you just commented on Ed, I said that I wouldn't have necessarily went for him, but all things being equal I am happy with him - there is a huge difference. We know the salary on offer won't be mind-boggling, I am an advocate of managers bringing in their own guys/or girls to assist but every situation is different, it looks like Deila's assistant fancy's the job himself/he also has a colorful background. Look it's all relative, I think if you take everything into account then we have to just wish him the best, I certainly wish them both the best, and hopefully certain fans aren't waiting for them to fail. If an incident that happened 8 years ago is the only thing you have against Collins I think he's doing alright. Some of the stories I've heard about the iconic managers completely bullying players/taking liberties would make your eyes water. I think I'll sleep tonight knowing JC showed off his 6 pack to a few wannabe superstars-wannabe be the operative word!

{Ed007's Note - You didn't want him but you're happy with it, there's no answer to that.}

Ed,
Negativity breeds contempt in any working environment much has been said about the toxic Hibs job. I don't think John Collins had the experience to get the top job personally I would have given him a pop at it. You have run down this appointment before it was even confirmed most of that Hibs team play in lower leagues and even the top two guys Fletcher and Brown have been questioned regarding temperament you really want them interviewed by the gutter rags on rubbish that happened years ago. Get a grip

John Collins will do a good job he has good contacts throughout the UK and France etc has been a coach for 10 years pity you can't look back at your negative responses on Gordon Strachan do you have a problem with giving our own a chance look what Rangers got with their Dutch and French master coaches. I posted several weeks ago my feelings on the way ahead and Collins was part of that. Time will tell if he will be a success one things for Sure if Ronnie can't hack it I'm 100% sure John Collins will see this as a opportunity well worth taking if you can give Ronnie a chance why not JC.

{Ed007's Note - My negative responses about Strachan? I think you're confusing me with someone else, either that or you're just making stuff up as usual.
I take it by your 'giving one of our own a chance' talk you think Collins is up to the job because he is 'one of our own', wisen up!
You've hit the nail on the head, Deila will definitely need to watch his back with Collins about the place but I suppose we should be grateful his pal from the Sunday Mail isn't still around.}

What is it with you? I said in an ideal world I wouldn't have went for him, he wouldn't have been my first choice. Knowing Celtic, the salary on offer etc, what they seemed to be looking for, I'm happy, get over it!

{Ed007's Note - Good for you, that's a weight off my mind, I was worrying about that all day. All together now, if you're happy and you know it clap your hands....

This debate is getting pointless some like JC some don't let's move on, time will tell who's right or wrong, lot of catty comments creepin in very childish lads

17 Jun 2014 11:12:58
Countries elect presidents quicker than we can appoint a No.2! The delay might hint that RD isn't entirely happy with the choices put in front of him. Let's hope RD has been doing his homework and is able to highlight key players he wants to bring in.