Celtic Banter Archive November 16 2015

16 Nov 2015 21:14:23
Awryt ed. jus seen some posts doon the bottom about kodi and robocop. I've jus installed them on my s6 edge and was wondering which link is it i will find celtic games when we r playn?

HH

chris1888.

{Ed007's Note - The links go up about 1/2 an hour before K.O. in the Live Events section I'm sure it's called, that's off the top of my head.}

16 Nov 2015 22:20:45
Ok cool. i was chekin for games on it 2nyt and ther was nothing ther on the live bit? . is it just celtic games that are on it?

HH

Chris1888.

{Ed007's Note - No mate I watch all the Man Utd games on there too, all the EPL games will appear.}

16 Nov 2015 19:40:37
Seems to be unrest on here over RD. If i am honest i cannot understand why. This is a coach, in the modern version of the word. As ED has pointed out, it seems he has no input into the player recruitment. This is the accepted technique of many major teams so why are so many negative about him?

Please, please don't bring the Celtic connection into it, it makes us sound sevconian. The 'to big a club for him' argument also falls flat for me. let's stop kidding ourselves. A big club by what standards? Crowds, hardly with the 'i miss sevco stay aways'. By constant CL appearances, maybe even sneaking last eight now and again? Aye right.

Some of us need a reality check. We are what we are because we play in Scotland. It is that simple. Yes we could be a bit more adventurous in buying, especially if RD does what he was brought here to do which is improve what we have and promote young players. Not as keevins keeps bleating on about bringing him in for Europe! Sure hugh, an inexperienced Scandinavian coach to get us into Europe and beyond, now that would be foolish.

For me he had done ok. Biton is a different player from the one of Lennys tenure. Young Tierney is just the most exciting defensive propspect since Danny McGrain, and i watched the Quality St Kids you young whippersnappers! Rogic has spoke openly on how much RD has helped him. We also have a few loan players coming back season end and the squad will have to be trimmed. For me that will be his biggest test to date. I have faith in this guy. I think we all should.

16 Nov 2015 20:57:03
My only gripe with Deila is that his tactics in Europe are a bit too cavelier at times.

However, everything else about him pleases me.

In all seriousness for those who doubt his credentials ask yourself this question and try and be as honest as you can.

Which players have improved under Deila?

In my humble opinion I think the following have improved:

Johansen, ROgic, Biton, Tierney, VVD, Denayer, Griffiths, Brown and Lustig.

On a final note, I hear lots of people say that our defence is pish and that we need to replace the players. However, I don't think it is the players who are pish. In my view the system and style we play often leaves us exposed at the back if we give away possession as everyone is bombing forward or we get hit quick on the counter attack. My only gripe with the actual defenders is that 1-2 of them can lose concentration at times during set pieces and 1-2 of them need to be more aggressive in the air and make sure they don't give away free headers in the box.

16 Nov 2015 21:15:29
Couldn't agree less GJ! We are what we are because we play in Scotland! Utter nonsense! So how does this explain the 6th best team in Norway, yes Norway not Spain or Germany! Totally dominating us over 2 games? Because the last time I looked the Norwegian league wasn't up to much! And u say he's a coach and this is the done thing at most clubs! Maybe Uve got a point there! But the problem is he ain't a very good coach mate! A good coach learns from his mistakes! And a good coach knows how to set up a team in more than one way! And a good coach can see in a game when things need changed! For me in Europe Ronnie has done none of these things in Europe! Legia Malmo molde Maribor! 4 teams we've played woefully against! And 4 mediocre teams at that!

16 Nov 2015 21:19:38
Well, Ronnie is the manager, so the system and style is down to him, can't agree with the players you've said have improved, apart from maybe Biton and Rogic,

16 Nov 2015 22:12:19
@Dh88. I think you miss my point. when i say Scotland i mean the Country as a whole, not just the footballing side. You use Norway as a bolster for your argument. Norway are reaping the benefits of investment into youth football. Would you fancy Scotland to beat Norway over two legs? Would not be easy IF they did.

On Ronny, when are players going to come into this equation? If a player plays a short pass how is that his fault? If a player misses tracking back is that his fault? individual errors are killing us, not Ronny. I will give you that he does seem to be rigid regarding shape. I also feel that sometimes the mix can be a bit one sided, but i have faith he will take us forward.

On the four teams we played, hard to argue with you. We were better than, or should have been, all of them. Again, players have to look at themselves as well.

16 Nov 2015 22:51:35
Green jhedi Ronnie will not improve Celtic. Now maybe the standard of players we have can't be improved. Who knows. What I do believe us that Ronnie has gone as far as he can with this team. He will get a draw against Ajax and lose against Fernebache. We will end up bottom of our group. So do we as supporters accept that this squad can not qualify for CL and bottom of our EL group is acceptable or do we ask for change. If this is the best he can do let's roll the dice as most half competent managers will win the league with our squad anyway so what gave we got to lose. You can't have it both ways.

17 Nov 2015 00:32:55
By the time I was 19 celtic had been in two European Cup finals and I had followed them all over Scotland enjoying nine in a row and many, many successful cup runs, with an array of very talented and gifted players.
Obviously times change and I remember the lows as well like the Anglo-Scottish or Texaco Cup and the emergence of the 'New Firm' plus the unforgettable Kelly collapse.

The majority of us have seen a lot of success and great football at some point or other, with flair players and style.
On our day we have matched or even bettered bigger, richer, glamorous teams even as recently as 2012/13.
The club cannot compete financially and we are based in Scotland - what's new? That has always been the case.
However we see ourselves as a huge club because we have done it before and we expect to at least compete with top clubs in Europe because it's the Celtic way and that's not pie in the sky as our European nights are legendary.

RD talks a very good game and he has improved a few of the players at the club but we lose goals far too easily and this has been brutally punished by even the most average European opponent and that worries me and it does nothing for our coefficient or confidence.

17 Nov 2015 10:55:04
@Johnnymac i think you are forgetting the fact that our last participation in CL group stages, we were very lucky to get past Karagandy to group stages and we were absolutely diabolical! It was an absolute embarrasing participation. It was clearly evident at that point we were a Europa league side punching above our weight in CL. The decline was set before Deila took reigns.

17 Nov 2015 11:08:17
Well said GJ.

17 Nov 2015 15:57:13
Rabmac It is true we pay an attacking game and like to play the game in our opponents half of the pitch, yet we have conceded a large amount of goals when we have had almost the whole team back in and around area, so it isn't just our attack mindless that is costing us goals .

16 Nov 2015 09:02:15
Oh PLEASE let the reports be true that Stabaek want Delia as their manager.

16 Nov 2015 10:32:35
No Compensation Required.

16 Nov 2015 10:44:08
Whos this Delia you dislike so much Timalloy?

16 Nov 2015 13:20:40
I thought the whole 'delia' thing was just a micky take. Regardless, Stabaek can be interested all they like, they're not going to take him from us.

16 Nov 2015 13:57:07
Timalloy only reason you don't like him is cause he has no prior connection to club. Typical small minded clique culture amongst some supporters.

Personally I hope he does go. I rate him as a manager and domestically he is doing well. Treble still a possibility, unlike 2 seasons ago under previous management we were only in contention for league and suffered an abysmal run in CL. However the abuse he gets from some supporters is outrageous, especially with current set up at club and basically being made PL puppet.

Roll out red carpet for Owen Coyle. A shockingly bad manager with absolutely no managerial qualities whatsoever. But hey, that's irrelevant. he's a celtic supporter so likes of Timalloy will be happy.

16 Nov 2015 14:24:25
DN30, Exactly the same could be said of you, The only defence you have of Ronny is that he's not Neil Lennon.
It doesn't matter if he's got any connections with Celtic or not, his record in the matches that matter is not good.
There's no point you criticising Peter Lawwell, when he appointed Ronny, you can't have it both ways, if Peter Lawwell is so bad for the club, isn't it likely he got Ronny's appointment wrong along with all the other things you think he's got wrong at the club.
What exactly has Ronny done as a manager, that you think is so special? . I personally think he was just the cheapest option available, and would do exactly as he was told. That doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

16 Nov 2015 14:37:10
DN once again you and ONLY you bring up this Celtic connection to manage our great club. It is not a pre requisite to have an affiliation to our club to manage it but I think a vast majority of our fans love it when a recent player has done well in his early management career and would go on to manage us.
It doesn't happen often these days, I personally cudnt give a toss where our manager is from as long as he is good.
If RD left I would like either Moyes, Hughes, or Strachan.
I think it is of huge benefit for any manager coming to us to know what he is coming into.

16 Nov 2015 14:46:02
@Dn30 did not know you were a mind reader, for your information and others I do not think Ronnie is up to managing Celtic ( and as for Coyle or anyone of his ilk) I could not care all I want is a DECENT coach with a good footballing brain and a sound knowledge of tactics, whether he is a "tim" as you put it is irelevant.
Sadly, for myself, and I think others, Ronnie has proven, especially in europe, he is not up to the task. As for Lennon, yes he made a lot of mistakes but he also gave us some rip roaring nights in europe, as did Strachan and O'Neill, our prsenet manager has come nowhere near getting the fans excited in european games.
I was brought up on the Lisbon Lions and their attacking philosophy, yes I know to replicate that these days is nigh on impossible, but surely as fans asking for some good entertainment when we roll up at Paradise is not asking too much.

16 Nov 2015 15:04:08
Gerryc rofl 😂😂😂. Deila turned a mediocre team called Stromgodset into league winners and cup winners before he came to club. Also discovered some really good players on a far smaller budget than celtic such as Odegaard, Johansen, Konradsen and Kamara to name a few.

Treble is still a serious possibility and I have absolutely no doubt we would be performing better in Europe had Ambrose not been anywhere near squad, but unfortunately he is best of a bad bunch. Mulgrew, blackett, etc.

I remember you were one of the main ones who were singing Lennons praises cause of a pointless cleansheet record yet conveniently overlooked how shockingly bad season campaign was. What does that tell you about you?

Lawwell never got it wrong appointing Deila, he got it wrong appointing a rookie with no managerial experience in Lennon. Its actually comical that comment and if Deila stays and wins treble, you will be first to come crawling out from under your stone singing his praises.

Its so called supporters like yourself with dated views that hold club back. If he does go name 3 potential managers who you would see replace him?

16 Nov 2015 15:28:02
@rayman its a vaild point though. Fans like yourself were happy as larry 2 seasons ago under Lennon even after his abysmal last season, yet Deila is doing well domestically and can't please likes of yourself. Yes europe has been shocking, but what do you expect with defence options we had cause i don't know about you but likes of Ambrose, Blackett, Janko etc are hardly inspiring.

Your comment about a former player doing well in his early managerial career coming to manage us. The key part to that quote was "doing well in his early managerial career". This has always been my issue and only disagreement to Lennons appointment. he had no prior managerial career! That is all. Nothing else.

Forget about Moyes, Hughes or Strachan. I too would welcome Hughes and Strachan but its never going to happen. No manager of that reputation wants job which is tragic considering how big a club we are.

@Timalloy Yes true he did give some rip roaring nights in europe. What if Deila produces an out of this world performance in last few games in europe will your opinion change?

16 Nov 2015 15:35:59
Can I ask u DN how did RD get on in the CL with Stromgodset? This so called experienced manager.
Yet our rookie with only 2 years experience at a massive club with death threats hanging over him and his family got us to CL and last 16.

16 Nov 2015 15:38:54
Any experienced manager worth his salt would laugh their way out of a meeting with our hierarchy.

16 Nov 2015 15:46:17
DN30. I only want a manager who is any good, and can bring a bit off pride back to the club. I freely admit I don't know who should be Celtic manager, all I know is that they can surely do better than this.
Managing in Norway is hardly a recommendation, look at the list of managers who did okay there but were hopeless anywhere else, look at Solskjaer, Egil olsen, and the one who was at Aberdeen a while ago, none of them were up to much outside Norway.
I think it's wrong to judge Delia on domestic results, I mean he can't really fail, I think even I could manage Celtic to success in the SPL.
If you think that European results are not what Ronny should be judged on, then I'm afraid that it's you who are out of touch, you only need to open your eyes and see the empty seats round Celtic park to see what the fans think. They are not impressed.

16 Nov 2015 16:05:36
Rayman I have always maintained the opinion that any manager who has serious concerns in his personal life and they feel it will affect their ability to manage club, should step aside. Yes it was terrible what he went through, but it is absolutely no excuse for club to be underperforming. Basically what your saying is if hypothetically club was relegated during that time, it would be acceptable because of whoever was in charge had issues. Its a terrible lame and pathetic attempt to justify failings.

Last 16, correct me if i'm wrong but was that not Lennons 3rd attempt in Europe? let's not forget his first season he couldn't even deliver Europa league group stage and in his second season had it not been for the sion fiasco we wouldn't of again made group stages of europa league. Nice how you forgot to mention that.

You really do not have an argument whatsoever.

16 Nov 2015 16:08:29
How long did it take him to do that though rayman! That is exactly where I do not get anybodies mentality who is comparing Celtic in the CL under NL compared to RD!

16 Nov 2015 16:13:05
I think only thing that is wrong is the signing policy as I am led to beleave the manager has little or no say as to what players are signed? This to me is so wrong maybe other clubs work like that to but that is not to say its correct in my humble opinion the manager should have the last say in who we bring in. I thought e scouting proses worked like this manager wants say a CF says to the scouting team what he is looking for then they bring him a list of players on the budget who we could maybe bring in he picks out then PL contacts the club to see if we can do a deal but apparently that is not how it works so if RD has a method he wants to play he might not get the players to play it.

16 Nov 2015 16:23:27
Ronnie is green and lacks the experience and knowledge of Europe. I liked Lennon and WGS I would take back in a heartbeat.
Regardless, we will always struggle as long as we tie the managers hand behind his back. Produce a decent team and a few good players. PL sells them off and the merry go round continues.
You can't build a team then, when they are starting to gel and perform, sell them off.
Until the people at the top either change out or change philosophy then we won't move forward.

16 Nov 2015 16:40:39
Gerryc sorry never noticed your reply. With regards to Deila being judged on europe, technically at the 2 season point his record is better than Lennons but you don't hear likes of Rayman and Timalloy acknowledge this. If he makes CL last 16 next season you will not hear congratulations and due credit, you will hear it took him 3 attempts. This all achieved on a smaller budget compared to vastly greater budget of previous manager.

Bearing all this in mind, its clearly obvious that its yourself gerryc who is not only out of touch but under the delusion of green tinted spec syndrome.

16 Nov 2015 17:44:19
Dn30 away and gies peace pal! Ronnie will never get us into the CL! He's made our club a laughing stock in Europe! It's down there in black and white pal! If we fail to win any of our last 2 EL games we'll be closing in on the record for consecutive games without a win in the competion! That's a fact! He's been put out of the CL 3 times in the space of a year! That's a fact! I agree totally with Gerryc! Ronnie shouldn't be judged on his results in Scotland! Any manager in the SPL could win that league with Celtic! And again like Gerry said, it's nothing to do with wanting a manager with connections to the club! I want a manager who can organise a team and has the tactical ability to Change things when theyr not working! And u won't have to worry about people coming on here and changing there opinions when we get 2 great results against Ajax and fenerbache, because that ain't going to happen!

16 Nov 2015 18:00:54
DN30, maybe you could explain what being under the delusion of green tinted spec syndrome means, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I don't think Celtic are doing as well as they should be. If you think losing to Maribor, Malmo, Molde, etc, is making progress, then maybe I am delusional, because I don't.
If wanting Celtic to try and be better is as you say being out of touch, then I totally agree with you, but on that basis, I think most Celtic fans are out of touch.
You put forward a strange argument, that your only a true supporter if you are happy with the dross served up under this manager, I think true supporters want their club to be as good as they can be. You can't tell me we shouldn't be doing better than this.

16 Nov 2015 18:07:11
If we appointed an experienced manager and if he laughed his way out of a meeting with our hierarchy would we be any better off? Where would we go from there?
Some may think Deila was appointed because he was a cheap shot, I think it was more than that, I think not only was Deiia cheap but he also had a vision for the Celtic Football club that was in line with the Board .
If we love Celtic, I think we should get behind Deila and support him in his quest to
rebuild this great football team, from the bottom up, through the youths .

16 Nov 2015 18:28:32
@Dh88 correct Deila should be judged on all competitions. Fact of the matter is he has done more in his first 2 seasons than our previous manager who with a bigger budget took 3 seasons to get into CL. Does Deila not deserve 3 seasons as well to get into CL especially seeing as he is operating on a far smaller budget?

And yer heids up yer ar$e if you are of opinion if we win againist Ajax and Fernabache people won't be coming on this singing Deilas praises. Happened around December last season and will certainly happen again. YOU will be one of them.

@gerryc the only dross is europe this season. Many games lost due to playing Ambrose but as I've said before he is a better option than likes of blackett and mulgrew. Obviously i'm not happy at this, but his hands are tied with some of the duds forced on him. He could win treble, qualify for CL next season and you will still have an agenda.

16 Nov 2015 18:50:55
Hahaha! Aye DN30 ma heids up ma arse! How many games in a row have we went in the EL without winning? Go on tell me! And my opinion isn't that if we win against Ajax and fenerbache! My opinion is we won't win them! Did u actually watch the molde games? Did u by any chance notice the spanking we got? In Norway especially! And no Ronnie doesn't deserve a 4th, yes that's 4th chance to get in the CL! How can he possibly deserve a 4th chance if he can't even win in the EL! Aye but it's me who's heids up his arse! 😂😂😂😂😂.

16 Nov 2015 19:36:56
DN30, I have no agenda against Ronny, I just don't think he's a very good manager.
You seem obsessed with comparing him to Lennon but it's not a case of either or, I don't believe anybody is saying that if Ronny goes, he will be replaced by Lennon, I know I'm not.
What you fail to mention when you talk about Lennon's first season, is that the club was at a far lower ebb when he took over, the mess that was left by Tony Mowbray, meant we were playing in front of 15,000 against Motherwell, we were losing 4-0 to St Mirren, and the old Rangers had won the league by a distance. Getting into the Champions League was not the priority then, he first of all had to improve us domestically.
Ronny had a big advantage when he took over, in that we were already Champions, we were in the Champions League, and he didn't have Rangers to contend with, the main difference in their first seasons is that after Lennon's first season we were in better shape than a year earlier, but under Ronny we were worse off after his first year, as he had taken us out of the champions League.
If Lennon had taken over a team who were Champions and in the Champions league, then you would be right, but he had a far bigger rebuilding job to do. Ronny only had to keep us at the same level as the previous year but couldn't do it, and he still hasn't done so in his second year, from what I've seen I'm not convinced he'll manage it in his third year.

16 Nov 2015 19:56:24
Actually i was at game in Molde. Your selective with your facts. Obviously your not aware the previous manager took 3 attempts last by default to even qualify for Europa league. Technically it was 4 bites of the cherry before CL.

16 Nov 2015 20:26:41
@gerryc nothing wrong with comparing how well current manager compared againist previous, regardless who they are. My argument is majority of people who are quick to disagree with my opinion regarding Deila, were happy at this stage in the previous managers tenure yet are gunning for Deila who has done better in europe at same point by at least qualifying for some form of european football at same point.

It was also permitted back at start of Lennons reign to compare him to Mowbray but not allowed to use Lennon in comparison with Deila.

Here we go again. Take it that was a reference to Maribor game? Correct me if i'm wrong but did we not have a weakened side through injury and a substandard replacement for Forster?

16 Nov 2015 20:47:31
Was that the Forster that got shown up against Legia.

16 Nov 2015 21:27:45
In my opinion, after Lennon's first year in charge, we were in a better place than we were a year earlier. after Ronny's first year in charge, I feel we were worse off than a year earlier.
I feel that Ronny has had a lot of advantages since he took over, that previous managers would have killed for.
Look at Martin O'Neill for example, he took over the shambles that Kenny Dalglish left, within a season we had won the treble, although he did have a lot of money to spend, Rangers were also spending big, so it wasn't that easy.
Gordon Strachan had a big rebuilding job in his first season, we hardly seemed to have any players at one point, Rangers were Champions, but by the end of his first season he had won us the league. The point I'm making is that these managers improved us in their first year, I don't honestly believe that Ronny improved us in his first year, I think we took a step backwards.
Ronny has had no pressure really, yet he has taken us a step backwards, if he can't keep us at the same level with all the advantages he has had these past couple of years, it doesn't fill me with confidence that he can improve us once we have some competition.

16 Nov 2015 22:23:01
The way I see it is, we all want Ronnie to succeed, but because of performances, results, team selections, team tactics, substitutions, after match comments, excuses, justifications and outbursts, some of us think the job is too big for Ronnie while some of us think Ronnie is doing a great job under awful conditionds, poor wee soul.

16 Nov 2015 22:58:06
DN 30 Ronniw won't produce 2 storming performances in his next few games. Your argument is all about what Delia might do. He might win the treble, he might produce great performances in Europe. You were predicting CL qualification, wins against Molde but you were wrong. Stick to facts and look at what he has achieved and the majority of fans are not happy. So can you stop basing an argument on what he might do.

{Ed007's Note - You started your post with what he might NOT do so you can't demand people stick to facts when you're mixing opinion and fact - it's a two-way street.}

17 Nov 2015 10:03:21
@Johnnymac *Ronnie. I am sticking to facts. And i don't know what the hell you are talking about basing an argument on what he might do. Where you drunk pr something when you posted?

My argument is straight forward. There are people on this who pounce on Deila at the least thing and are critical of team performances this season, yet thought Lennons last season in charge was superb even although we were out of all cup competitions by December because of a "clean sheet record". "Sticking to facts" statistically at this stage in Deilas reign compared to previous manager at same point, he has achieved more and crucially delivered some form of european football each season unlike previous manager.

This chat of "we were a CL team before Deila took over" does not wash with me. People have a short memory. We were terribly bad that season. Finished bottom on 3 point -11 goal difference. ( Bit ironic the goal difference. Just shows the true worth of this SPL clean sheet record) . We were very lucky to qualify againist Karagandy and this euro campaign proved we were not a CL side at this point and the decline was in full motion.

Is your vision too clouded to see the obvious? Too many fans are letting their emotional attachment to a former player becoming manager effect their judgement. With the amount of pelters Deila gets, "sticking to facts" Lennon should have been verbally slaughtered but wasn't. If people were that unhappy they would of realised during Lennons last season we were in a mess but chose to ignore it. Deila has been made a scapegoat, even although he has "sticking to facts" done better on a far less budget.

17 Nov 2015 11:11:31
Don't know why u bother going into a debate DN30, some posters on here would love to bend down and present themselves to Lennon if they had the chance. Type of guys u see at shebeen concerts head to toe draped in tri-colour with a tiocfaidh ar la t-shirt at 50yr old.

17 Nov 2015 12:12:20
Gerrybhoy you've hit the nail on the head. Too many fans have been blinkered for that long that they do not understand the actual decline started before Deila took over.

17 Nov 2015 13:32:16
DN30, It doesn't matter when the decline started, Ronny's job is to improve us, yet he's making us worse.
Your argument seems to be that because results weren't good in the Champions league, then Ronny has done us a favour by getting us out of it. You may as well say that if you were in the lower half of the league, you would be better getting relegated as you would win more games in a lower division, it's a ridiculous argument.
Ronny took the job knowing exactly what the situation is here financially, it wasn't suddenly sprung on him, the fact is, however bad our results were in the Champions league, we were at least getting the financial rewards of being in it, you can't complain that Delia has a far smaller Budget, when Delia is responsible for the smaller budget by getting us eliminated from the competition.
I will say this one last time, I couldn't care less what the background of our manager is, I only want Celtic to be as successful as they can be, he could be from North Korea for all I care, I only care that he does his job and takes Celtic forward, unfortunately with Ronny he seems to be taking us in the opposite direction, that is the only thing I judge him on.

17 Nov 2015 15:36:26
Gerryc true i agree it is Ronnys job to improve us. that's fairly obvious and he is doing just that. It is very relevant when the decline started. Surely you can not justify our last presence in the CL group stages as being satisfactory. We were absolutely anilated and it was embarrasing to watch a massive slump in quality in space of 1 year. All we hear on this page is absurd excuses such as "Lennon had to deal with mess left by Mowbray" in a valiant attempt to justify his failings. well Delia is dealing with mess left by Lennon and deserves same amount of time as previous manager to get into CL.

Not once did I say "Ronny done us a favour by not getting into CL" that's a bare faced lie. What i did say was he inherited a Europa League standard team that was punching well above its weight in CL and we were very lucky to get past Karagandy and participate at that stage, which was clearly evident finishing 4th on 3 points out of 18 points, -11 goal difference.

17 Nov 2015 16:07:06
DN30, if you switch this round, what would you say if Neil Lennon had took us over, as a champions league team and within 18 months had taken us down, so far that we can't win a match in the competition below that?
If being embarassed in Europe is what you judge managers on, why is it now okay to be getting humiliated by the likes of Molde. These humiliations are nothing tom down with Lennon.

17 Nov 2015 18:08:21
Gerryc your missing the point i'm making. We were a Europa league standard team, who were lucky to qualify for CL group stages. Surely you cannot disagree with that. We were slaughtered and were a team well out our depth.