Celtic Banter Archive June 16 2012

16 Jun 2012 22:19:40
Been watching the Euros. Sorry that Scotland are not there as the Tartan Army usually create a good atmosphere I dont think the National team will go anywhere with Levein at the helm. I think that Gordon Strachan or Billy
Stark would make a success of the team.

Oh I'd get rid of the geography teacher and maybe get Strachan. He needs to go before the World Cup qualifiers ! No doubt we'll beat Croatia then struggle against Macedonia. Mrs E

Agree, when i saw them lose to usa and then Canada played usa and held them but should have won that was it for me. not sure if you guys saw the Canada vs Izzy's country but it was one heck of a good game and Canada should have one by a couple but what im getting at with the players Scotland have and the ones Canada has Scotalnd should be ALOT better and Levein has to go.
Canuck Bhoy

The Scottish national team wouldn't go far with Rinus Michaels at the helm. There's no talent...sad but absolutely true !

If the SFA have any ambition they must get rid of Levein ASAP for the team to progress

16 Jun 2012 21:36:15
will newco fc get to keep oldco's crest and RFC symbol?

sparkybhoy

16 Jun 2012 21:33:37
Just read on Twitter that the official 'Sly Help Team' have said that they have no plans to pull out of the SPL. KT

Of course they are going to say that so you do not get rid of your Sly subscription. its the bosses at sly that have to come out and say it. {Ed007's Note - They have said it.}

Why has the new deal not been signed yet then. {Ed007's Note - It doesn't need to be, what's the rush?}

16 Jun 2012 20:32:13
Hey fellow hoops
Was just wondering if anyone else is as annoyed as me by the comlete lack of remorse from the dark side for all their cheating and blatant disregard for all other teams ? All they seem to be saying is how the have been punished enough. Not for me
NO TO NEWCO

I've said this before and I'll say it again, even though I think we owe Scottish football and the people we owe an apology, the likes of you would never be satisfied if we did. The absolute hatred of everything Rangers that SOME Celtic supporters have displayed over the last few months is truely alarming. I think most honest Celtic supporters would agree because just like honest Rangers supporters, we see it as just a game of fitba and a good excuse to take the pi55 out of each other.

16 Jun 2012 18:00:19
anybody want to buy a bottle of uncle walter,s salve rub it on everything boil,s acne,green syndrome(ailment of the mind)contact A mc coist

16 Jun 2012 17:10:01
say no too a new co !!! the shame made there bed let them lie in it now!! HH

They dont even have a bed now they are sleeping on charlie.s sofa

16 Jun 2012 15:32:49
how can we accept bids for anyone until the window opens on 1st of july let them simmer till then

16 Jun 2012 14:28:29
Hello to all the regular posters.Having been on holiday for a while i missed the demise of the shame,so forgive me for going over old ground.As far as i can see all that has happened is they have added and removed a couple of words to their name.They will still be playing at Ibrokes,possibly,they will still play in blue and still be called rangers.I was always under the impression there were laws governing a liquidated company reforming in a fashion too similar to the old company.Is sport a different case?Then theres the curious case of "legned" Walter! If as he has said,his consortium want zombie rangers to be in the hands of"rangers men",why would they talk of stabilising the club then exiting? If they are all "rangers men" why not stay in control? Even more strange is the timing of all this,why would "rangers men" allow there club to vanish taking all their history down with them?When Fergus arrived he could have waited till liquidation and bought the club for a fraction of what he paid.The fact he did not suggests to me that he knew what the fan base would have thought of such a move,Did Walter think of this during the liquidation? There also seems to be a concentrated effort to soften the blow of all of this by the media,Before liquidation there was much mentioning of the history and traditions of rangers.Looking back over the last few days papers it would seem this trend has vanished,and has been replaced by much use of the word rangers as if things have not changed.I also was alerted to the fact that on sly's twitter account they have said the deal for Scottish football will stay in place,this was the big argument to allowing zombie rangers into the SPL.If it was such an important issue why has this not been reported? As usual it seems we will have to wait for the internet bampots to find the truth!Finally,zombie rangers must go to the SFL and apply for a place with them.Before any of the usual zombie gers fans accuse me of hate speech,i say this because in the terms of sporting integrity it would not be right to apply further sanctions just to keep them as a cash cow for smaller clubs.Bit long ed,so thanks.

Sorry guys,i posted this and forget to tag it......green jhedi {Ed007's Note - I was thinking it was you mate. I hope you had a good holiday GJ.}

Welcome back GJ. Hope you had a good holiday mate. Both sites devoid of your reasoning during your sabbatical.
As far as Walter/Jim Mccoll is concerned,it's no different to what the BK's were advocating during their 15 minutes of fame. The club will belong to the fans via share issue in time.The fear from TRFC fans is that CG hasn't the funds,to sustain us outside of season ticket money,and we could be back in the same boat. So there lies the quandary. Back CG who rescued us,but is also someone we don't know,or trust.
We either go with what we've got,or WS offers Green enough to walk.
High stake game of chicken...Again.
P.O.B.

Fantastic thanks mate.Never knew a thing about events here and the Mrs insists no phone or laptop on hols!.Would think you must have been busy.LOL! I guess wee pat,timalloy,mrs E and the rest had a ball........green jhedi {Ed007's Note - Tim put on two stone on the jelly and ice cream diet!}

Greeno sorry aboot the mess that wix wee timbo n maistly ed,the furst perty we hid ed kept takin his leg aff n hittin people wae it hence the blood oan the wa's,
ah cood prob cleen the whole mess up fur a monkie(cash)

Hi ed and welcome back Mr Green. Hope u had a good holiday. It's a rangers free zone.

As soon as i read "Having been on holiday for a while" i knew it was GJ.Who else goes on holiday for a month?Welcome back mate,you havn't missed much.Watch out for a poster called Mr Green Fingers,he's a complete t1t.

Jungle Bhoy.

Bit Harsh

Mr Green Fingers

16 Jun 2012 13:46:16
Excellent Blog just posted by Alex Thomson.

It sums up brilliantly, the mentality of the Rangers supporters, those who ran Rangers and Walter Smith. Possibly one of Tomo's best.

And if you're reading this P.O.B. I think you should read and take on board what this INDEPENDENT journalist is saying in his blog - He wants Walter Smith to explain his position with EBTs. Tomo states of Smith "........... he should be coming clean right now and explaining with openness, candour and honesty exactly what HIS Knowledge of or involvement in Employee Benefit Schemes Was during and after his time at Rangers."

It's not just me P.O.B. a respected journalist like Tomo is wanting answers, and of course, he puts his reasoning in a far better manner than I ever could.

His blog also sums up your typical denial as a Rangers supporter. But of course, you probably still won't get it ......... Billy Dodds I think was your justification for it all being okay ...........he, haw, he haw. Your response is just what Tomo describes so elequently.

K-Dot.

G-spot i think youl find walter smiths tryin to get back in to rangers , a dont think thats the actions of someone with anything to hide , by the way g-spot , do you have a poster of ebt and tax rules on your ceiling above your bed , tedbear {Ed007's Note - He can't get back into Rangers Ted, his 'Rangers' don't exist any more. My family recently opened up a building supplies company, like all of their business it carries the family name, is in the same premises as some of the other businesses, but it is still a new company they established in 2011.}

Ok ed i stand corrected , walter smith is tryin to get into the new rangers , still would be a bit embarrassing for him if the guy knowingly did somthing wrong , tedbear

Eat Bred, you bears still do not get it, your cheaters eleven are dead, finished, caput, even SPL acknowledge it with team X, this will be put on Ibrokes as
X marks the spot where RFC died. Timalloy
PS when new season kicks off I and thousands of Celtic fans will be going to support our team, where will all you bears go?

What a laugh. Tomo describes the behaviour of denial by Rangers supporters (or whatever they're called now) in his blog and describes how no one is allowed to question the legend with no second name.

And what do they do ........ all start tweeting him, denying everything and saying he can't question Mr No Name.

Well nothing like proving Tomos point then.

A man with no name wants to take over a club that doesn't exist.

Priceless.

K-Dot.

Good for you toally , i,m all for fans backing their club so give yourself a big hug toally , and g-spot if you keep flirtin wae this alex thomson character tacos gony go aff his nut , tedbear

First of all K-dot.
I'm not in denial of anything.
I have posted and tried to be as accurate and factual as i, or anyone else can be with the DOCUMENTED evidence available at this present time. Just because i don't subscribe to the Hugh Adams said it,so it must have happened brigade,should not,and does not alter my mindset.This turned out to be nothing more than a bumbling statement from a bitter old man and ex employee who fell out with DM.
As yet i have not read or seen any media outlet including AT print or broadcast anything that proves conclusively and irrevocably anything that could potentially threaten them with court action.I wonder why? Asking someone to come out and comment on a situation is not enough to back up your dubiety.
So Unless you or AT are privvy to inside knowledge, that gives you an advantage over the rest of us,then you, Alex Thomson and others are working only on assumption and speculation. Alternatively put in the public domain,and see if anyone challenges the claims. Nope,not seen that either,so far.
Billy Dodds made his statement via his sports column. Fact! He put it in print!
How is this denial? Just because you choose not to believe him does this make it non existent?
The much vaunted "Thommo" programme on Ch4,and Mark Daly's on BBC1 promised much and delivered very little in my opinion. I was extremely dissapointed in this.
Indeed i became even more frustrated
because everyone knows that EBT's were in use.

Contrary to (others) mindset, i am not in the "PHEW!" camp.
My club nearly dissapeared forever,and i want to know why? But my desire is for unequivocal proof,not a half baked attempt at a cover up,or a "Covert Thimmy operation" who's only vested interest is in the total demise of my club.
Rangers fans deserve to know what happened to a club that has a global brand,and 45,000 season ticket holders,far more than any Celtic fan or other club for that matter.
I've supported the club for 38 years,as did my father,uncles, brothers,their kids.and pals.The 46,000 who turn up every other Saturday want,deseve and demand answers. It looks like HMRC and BDO are seeking those answers,bring it on!
Do you find this strange coming from a Rangers fan K-Dot?
If so it can only be you who are in denial.
Interesting to note K-dot that your alter ego has emerged and only come to the fore in the after event of Rangers Newco succeeding.
I can only conclude that you are a tad dissapointed with the outcome of the more recent developments at Ibrox.
No real surprises there i suppose,you did fool me for a while though with your more reasonable posts. Silly me.
Anyway..Onwards and upwards.
P.O.B.

P.o.b. , g-spots a bit jealous of your posts mate , theyr well thaught out articulate , wen you read g-spots you can clearly see its scripted and that he,s quoting some dodgy site , he,s oot his depth wae you mate and he kno,s it , a think he-d like to be as clever as you mate , thats ma opinion anyway p.o.b. tedbear

Exactly P.O.B. I'm glad you agree with me.

You want to find out what happened, I want to find out what happened and so do most supporters in Scottish football.

Irrespective of the EBT enquiry throught the FTT, Walter has been accused of having an EBT.

That accusation is not helpful to a man leading a takeover.

The EBT situation, whether proven or not, was part of the circumstances that caused Rangers downfall.

Surely it is only right if the man who wants to lead a takeover of the Newco, comes out and tells us his position in relation to EBTs if the question is in the public domain.

If he didn't have one, what has he got to hide. He could categorically put this story to bed once and for all.

Or put it another way, you P.O.B. as someone who wants the unequivocal truth, do you not want Walter to tell you his position on EBTs. If not, as someone who wants the unequivecol truth, why not, surely Walter is the best person to supply that truth.

Or would you rather he just kept quiet, because his silence is not helping matters. Well, you and I are debating it aren't we. Walter could very easily shut me up if he didn't have an EBT, and you wouldn't have to seek the unequivecol truth because you'd have it. You'd have had it straight from Walters own mouth.

You deserve to know, thats what your post said, so surely Walter should be telling you.

Your answer will be very revealling as to whether you really do want the truth and what is best for Rangers.

Or, as Tomo says, should we not have the bare faced ordasity to even think of questioning Walter.

K-Dot.

P.O.B - I wanted to reply to you in two sepearte posts so as to keep the question of Walter's EBT sepaerate from what I have now got to say.

You say your club nearly dissaperared forever. Eh, well I hate to break the news to you, it has dissapeared forever, has no-one yet told you.

And your wording "Covert Thimmy operation" reveals a lot about you. I prefer to call it professional journalism. The BBC seeing around 50 side letters is very strong evidence of dual contracts to me.

You talk about Rangers NEWCO succeeding. How exactly have they succeeded. Charles Green has registered a company name and bought some property assets from a football club that is being liquidated. Nothing further than that has happened that would remotely suggest success to me. And no sooner had he bought the assets than there is a hostile takeover bid, from Walter, who was quite happy to wait until Rangers were liquidated and no more, before making his bid. This company that has been set up is not a football club. They have no SFA licence and are not members of any league in Scotland. This company is not able to play football. Please tell where the success is in all of this.

I think that anyone who has read my posts will know that I always predicted the liquidation of Rangers and the setting up of a Newco. Don't see where my disappointment is there. In fact, I'm rather chuffed that I got it right.

K - Dot.

Yes youre a very clever bhoy.Have a star.lol
Tell me though which one of you is the dominant charcter,and does either of you remember anything the other one says?
I'll post it so you can read it back to the both of them.
The affiliation and association with Ibrox stadium has not gone anywhere. It is the members and the fans that define a club,whether it be a social club,or a football club. Both are defined by their membership and subscription. Therefore my club has not dissapeared. Yes the corporate entity on the business side has,but i can handle that.

P.O.B.

Thanks P.O.B - seems like you do want the question asked of Walter. You haven't said othwise.

Wait a minute, yes, my alter ego agrees with me.

Hope you enjoy your new club (oops, sorry, that was the alter ego again).

K- Dot

K-DOT
All will hopefully eventually be outed through the HMRC and BDO investigation.
I would assume Walter would be called as a witness to any inquiry.
I await this inquiry with relish. Let's see what happens eh?
You and AT are foolish to the extreme if either of you think WS will be allowed to say or do anything to compromise this inquiry.
So give this one up mate. Common sense and logic demands it.
Why not fill your time with possible Celtic transfer speculation until the other "facts" have been "proven". This new hobby will be just as speculative. It may be less enjoyable, harmless and vindictive,but give it a wee try.

"When the facts change,i change my mind" -Winston Churchill
P.O.B.

To P.O.B and Tedbear.

Think of this logically,do you honestly believe one of your greatest ever managers and one of your best players never got a bonus for their contribution?If they did,why did they get it through a different payment rather than a scheme over a hundred people at Ibrox over the years were involved in?As you say EBT's weren't illegal then so how come they knew they weren't the way to go?That doesn't make any sense,so surely they must have got a bonus this way?I know they were used to increase players wages so why not as a thank you bonus aswell?To me,i think the evidence went in that Shred-it lorry that was spotted outside Ibrox.

Jungle Bhoy.

Agree 100% JB.
But salivating over speculation and rumour,without proof is not my bag mate.
I'd rather wait for the facts to be laid bare,then let justice run it's course.
There's far too much of this RTC and other blog sites led "Pied Piper" nonsense.
Reminicent of the old Frankenstein films when the villagers are hunting old Frankie down with torches and pitchforks.
We've moved on haven't we?
P.O.B.

Jingle bhoy why are you still depriving yourself of sleep over this , one minit our telling us were done , caput , finito , why get aw worked up cout somethin thats done , caput , finito , you should try and calm doon jingle , tedbear

Ok let's hear Walter deny it and we can move on. So far not a word. He will have to make a public denial. I think green knew what he was doing when he offered him the chair.

Good observation. Possibility you may be proved right in time.
But we have to wait till that happens.
As things stand WS was one of our greatest ever managers,an RFC legend and someone who is trusted and respected throughout the football fraternity,even at Celtic park.
When facts change, i'll change my mind.
P.O.B.

The old club has gone so they can't fall any further so there should be a complete investigation.Every little bit of paper should be scrutinised,every contract checked even if it takes 5 years and only then will you are your supporters know exactly who done what,who to trust and who to say thanks for contributing to your old club.I think too many players in ALL teams are gready and would do anything to make money.They always go on about how their career is so short so they will take anything that's going IMO.If this happened to my club i wouldn't accept anything less,how many people that you class as legends ripped the arse out of it?Time will hopefully tell.

Jungle Bhoy.

16 Jun 2012 11:20:07
Ki worth more than all TRFC and Celtic can still knock back bid. Andycfc

Good one.

K-Dot.

Sorry bud, but imo ki is too lightweight he is a good footballer , but doesn't have the heart for a fight . i honestly don't think we would miss him too much..bb

16 Jun 2012 09:57:09
Hi all, just read that there's talk of putting rankers in first division so that they can be back the following season to suit sly. Correct me if i'm wrong, but was everyone not complaining at the lack of funds sly where giving the spl when the contract was agreed, now all of a sudden sly are calling the shots. Who's to stop sly offering less cash when the rankers newco climb to the spl, they have us with the throat. I say screw sly and somehow scre en our own games like mentioned when sly offered us pennies in the first place. HH

Back next season my arse....even if they get into the 1st division, which imo shouldn't happen if Scottish football is to retain any credibility at all, then they'll face a far more difficult league to win with the likes of Falkirk, Hamilton, Livingston, Dunfermline and Glasgows second biggest club Partick Thistle all slugging it out for the title

MikeyBhoy

Yup the jags have got more history.

16 Jun 2012 08:52:00
Evinguu, after reading your long long
long post eventually after 5 hours about
newco, I am renaming your good self
Phil I Buster, you told us you use your
phone what network? TALK TALK,
what is your favourite book?
THE NEVER ENDING STORY!
and your favourite film?
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH!
here is one of my favourite songs
SHUT UP YER FACE! lol Timalloy
PS an anagram U Given U
PPS Ok Evinguu bat it back to me...

16 Jun 2012 00:54:04
What a great week, my second son was born on Tuesday then I got the really good news on Wednesday. A beautiful life entered just as a bitter mangled mess died. {Ed007's Note - Congratulations on your new arrival mate. We have 2 (male) eds that are waiting on arrivals at any time, they better arrive before the real transfer frenzy starts lol.}

Congrats mate on the birth of your youngest , another wee hoop , oh and you get to stop worrying about them ...... never ,, my eldest is 35 and still gives me sleepless nights..bb