Celtic Banter Archive September 15 2014

15 Sep 2014 20:03:37
If the turnout is as being mooted as "massive" a think the polls now should just give it a rest!

Ed, If it as tight as being suggested it could be in all honesty a Bush/Gore Florida

God help us if it starts/triggers the recount outcome! It would get really messy and yet should we not now being anticipating EXACTLY this as it so close?

Your thoughts please

15 Sep 2014 20:42:49
from what I have heard its each constituencies returning officer who has the power to ask for a recount and will only do so if he thinks something dodgy has gone on, not if the result is close.

Hopefully this is not required as would call the whole thing into disrepute.

il be voting yes btw

15 Sep 2014 21:25:17
Apologies for butting in. My take is this and I don't want to get all conspiratal. No I do to be honest, so bear with me. Its called a polling station, where you vote. Why is that? Maybe they have always just taken a poll of the great unwashed preference and in the end do what they please with their own pawn or outcome. Its just another poll. No real power to change anything. If it suits the power base and the unwashed are of the same opinion as the choice of the power brokers then fine. If not then fine too.
One massive question people don't ask is this. Who independantly checks the polls before the final poll, you know the one taken in the polling station called a vote.
They could be talking absolute bollocks. Its independently researched by independent pollsters. Hahaha give me break. We know who they are and they have been around for decades. They could rig the whole thing.
So the polls say whatever they want and guess what. They do an exit poll after you have already been polled in the polling station and they announce it blah blah blah as the election results come in. And guess what as they are so clever its almost exactly what they predicted! In line with the general trend and what they were saying a few days before the poll. So here we are after a 54 46 vote for no. The love bomb worked and the Scots saw sence in the end and wanted to stay. It seems Mr Camerons strategy worked! Now at that point you won't know whether to laugh or cry because that's exactly what is going to happen. They then prove the election was clean as the polls back up the result and the result backs up the polls.
I know and its actually on record that election fraud has taken place in the UK. So let's not fool ourselves it has never happened. Also these dicks are so arrogant that they have said in the last two general elections their exit polls exactly matched the result. Just a thought.

16 Sep 2014 11:46:44
Well its started ICM head saying we have probably overestimated the yes vote as the silent nay sayers don't want to seem unpatriotic by telling them no when polled. Its dusty bin and 3-2-1 all over again! How can anyone claiming to be scientific make up whatever he wants and justify BS like this. Its about as believable as the scientific carbon dating fraud.

17 Sep 2014 16:21:31
Oops panelbase report on then polls. Just read it. Nicely conditioning the population for a no vote. No questions asked. Everything above board of course. This is Britain! No jiggery pokery here jonny foreigner!!

17 Sep 2014 18:55:23
I notice nobody has picked up this thread. No need to worry. I obviously am the sort to over react or look for a problem when none exists.
Well I certainly look for problems. We can only see they don't exist once we have had a good look. I mean why take word of a politician or a banker or major shareholders. So that's fair enough wouldn't you agree that I look for problems. It doesn't make me a bad person.
Next over reacting. Ok guilty. I do react in an overly strong manner when I see that there is a possibility of widespread election fraud. Particularly when it involves the issues being debated and voted on right now. But what could I be talking about. Surely this is ridiculous. But let's look a little closer.
Lets ask who should be under the spotlight? Council workers earning some pin money to count a few votes? Returning officers? Both worth thinking about but its a lot of people isn't it. You know I think by and large that's a difficult thing control and interfere with. Too many people and too many honest people. But how could I guarantee no blame even if inpropriety was proven thereby making it a worthwhile risk. Its the great imponderable all criminal elements must weigh up.
Wouldnt it be great if I could just get someone or something else to take the blame or cover my tracks. But nobody is stupid enough to take that kind of wrap. Maybe if I was a criminal i'd think I wish they had robots to go rob a bank and give me the money. Or a machine to mark x in my box. But of course that is ridiculous. So we won't think about that kind of stuff anymore. Its the stuff of fiction and Hollywood not Holyrood! (BTW holy rood is the old word for a magic wand)
However I would just like to point out 785,000 votes will be postal votes. Relying on two methods for verification. Your name identifies the person of course this then ties in with two variables those being your birthdate and signature. No need to worry friends as a machine is collating and verifying the result of the postal vote. We can be assured it will be infallible. It is the first time its been used and done in the UK this way butI am sure those engineers and software boys take great care and don't work for global corporations. But take my word for it. Its all over the mainstream press. i'm sure though its an honest machine and very good at counting and scanning signatures. Impossible for a point or a zero to be lost here and there. isn't technology marvellous. Move along folks nothing to see here!!

18 Sep 2014 02:20:10
i know of an asian family 2 of 3 brothers were ibtending to vote yes then discovered the matriarch of the family had already sent their postal votes in for the whole family. these guys are 30 and 21 not wee boys. tgey cannot say anything or will be homeless and cause serious trouble for their mum

18 Sep 2014 08:09:51
These things are not uncommon and thanks for sharing the story. I cannot actually comment on some of the things I know go on as Ed has been very patient with me and he has to keep things right his end and I know it won't get posted. After all ot is a football site and I do apologise for my banging on about this stuff.
How an unproven system and process can be used in this manner for the first time I will never know. Its definitely the weakest link regarding checks and balances, quite apart from the interference of family members with the rights of their relatives as in your example.
Its like the lottery machine. Get a grey looking man with a nice smile and white gloves. Make an announcement about some nonsense this has been verified by a panel of independent ajudicators and bam! We all accept its above board! Please!
Same here what does the average man or woman know about how the democratic process is safeguarded in regards vote verification and ensuring the vote cast is collated counted and the results are accurate? I would suggest nothing and next to nothing. Its late in the day. I just want people to realise that they should question this. If you see your candidate at the polling booth. Ask him or her! I am not a betting man however you could make a lot of money as the odds are long because they should know all about this and the detail but in fact they will have no idea.

18 Sep 2014 17:00:37
NO exit poll. Is this a good or a bad thing? I have my thoughts. What do others think?

15 Sep 2014 14:08:11
ed.
can I get this posted just to see the reasons in folks thinking?
one good reason to vote yes
one good reason to vote no
cheers in advance :)

1 good reason YES so we don't have to suffer Boris Johnson as the next PM

One for YES

any citizen of any country/nation should want to ensure that they are in a position to be (and to stay) as close as possible to "power and influence" as is feasibly possible whereby elected officials (voted in by the people) represent the views and wants (and needs) of the people to see to it that the political machine delivers on manifesto pledges that, broadly speaking, represent the views, needs and wants of the "majority" who have given the fortunate few politicians a mandate to given accordingly….

one for NO

we have been a nation within a greater/bigger family of nations (the "union") for better or ill for the past 300 years and being so interwoven, whether that be economically, socially, spiritually, ethically, morally, you would think that we are, in aggregate, going it "alone" at a time when like minded nations are coming together in the form of trading blocs to avoid less certain prevailing economic turbulence, a YES whilst exciting, may leave us out in the cold and club-less, lacking affiliates and friends across many markets who will turn the other way because to work with us (is to endorse us) and to endorse us is to legitimise us and to legitimise us may mean more political carnage ahead for eUK, spain, belgium, ireland the like ….will we get the benefit of the doubt because of our cleverness, productivity, relevance and centuries old trading relationships or will be "strategically" isolated as a bully boy tactic to teach us a lesson, making future prosperity more difficult

True, but we would have to hear a lot more from the likes of Kenny McCaskill and Brian Soutar :(

15 Sep 2014 16:10:48
Sorry guys the bookies already know the result.
A bookmakers go 1/4 a NO vote
and 3/1 YES
all the other major bookies have similar odds (do they know something we all don't?)
One punter even put on a bet of over £600k on a NO
Let's hope they are all wrong.

Paradise "for the past 300 years" yip and prior to that what? A Catholic KING JAMIE STEWART ( a let you harbour a guess @ my surname lol ) a King of "Orange" who in creating an "Act of Settlement" killed the FIFTY Catholics that were in line to it and as a result a direct result btw resulted in the next King being George of Hanover otherwise known as German Geordie! who could not speak a stitch of English btw which brought about "rule but could not reign"! Which led to yip . The first Prime Minister! (suddenly it does not sit well as a plus for the N0)

Maybe next week AFTER we get independence a will start that riot and see if I am to be the next King of Scotland

No resemblance to the man in Austin Powers btw far far to suave for that in my tailor cut suits and initial embossed shirts, flamboyant flash and big FISTS a FANTASTIC combination my friend even if I do say so myself ATVB JB7

Just ask around your family, neighbours and friends and you will see why the bookies have a 'No' vote as favourite. It looks bleak indeed.
I have been in debate with some of my immediate family for weeks and have been close to tears of anger and anguish at their attitude and stance during this chance in a lifetime
Many of them are more 'scared of the unknown', than happy with the union and then there are those who just have a severe dislike of Salmond!
Those people that are voting for reasons other than political are also scuppering the Yes campaign.
I have personally suffered under several Tory governments since I first voted in 1974 and like most Scots, I never voted for any of them.
The most sickening thing for me is how all the parties are ganging up and merging with Cameron to bully us into submission as many English rulers have done through the centuries.
These politicians are cowards, hypocrites and political mercenaries.

I am hoping for a miracle on Thursday and I think we are due one?!

15 Sep 2014 19:00:08
I am voting no. I believe we will become an even more protestant country than we already are. Catholics will be even more pushed out. Plus the fact Alex Salmond in the same breathe as william Wallace and the likes. Thanks but no thanks.

15 Sep 2014 18:19:01
Dont get me on about the plantation! Yep James was the man who stitched up my ancestors, the last Chieftan sent to the tower on trumped up charges of treason. Lands stolen and stiched up by the company of london gentlemen. Pirates and embezellers every one of them! I am sure many of us have a similar story.

15 Sep 2014 19:25:24
A reason for a Yes vote.
We need to stand up and take our country back. My beautiful Scotland, my land, not a dumping ground for English weapons of mass destruction or a political testing ground for every evil policy ever invented by an evil Conservative government. We are rich in our minerals and our heritage and only we can use these to our benefit. Not a self centered government in London that only looks out for anyone South of the Watford Gap. We have been subsidising the rest of the UK for years and years. Wake up, why are they pulling out all the stops to keep us if we cost them money? I am Scottish to the core and I want my country back!

A reason for a No vote
I can't for the life of me think why we would want to belong to this unfair union. Better together? Why not now?

Vote Yes on Thursday!

The referendum on Thursday, isn't electing a government.
There is no guarantee you will get the government you want under independence.
The nationalists are only united in wanting independence, a lot of their supporters are labour, liberal and even some tories.
After they get independence, most of them will return to their former parties, and not much will change
The odds would be that you would have a coalition government that is much the same as now, and everyone is left feeling underwhelmed.

A reason for a yes vote : with different people at the helm and answers to all the big questions salmond won't / can't answer I'd jump at it .

For a no. They haven't sold it to me. I've found the yes campaign and it's leaders in particular infantile and repetitive with very little detail.

15 Sep 2014 05:31:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCM5JWz-cAs

Laughed when I seen this from Balde at the weekend. There could be hope yet!

I think that belgian mob have the option to buy him.
I for one liked big blade and he was never given a chance . All he ever got was the last 5 or 10 mins of games. But good luck to the big guy I hope it all works out for him.

Balde would never have got all that room playing in the SPL

15 Sep 2014 00:36:08
last point ED

The Hampshire district of Hart has been named as the UK's most desirable place to live for quality of life.


95% of people in the local authority area of Hart were in good health and they tended to have incomes 40% above the national average.

No places in northern England, Scotland or Wales were in the TOP 50 LOCATIONS .

Of the top 50 places, 27 were SOUTHERN ENGLAND and 15 were in eastern ENGLAND .

hmmmmm.

{Ed007's Note - That isn't right, not your info but the actual breakdown is what's wrong. It's what I've been saying all along, Westminster is ran for the benefits of London and the south of England. It would surprise you the amount of people from Liverpool, Manchester and Lancashire and Wales who are supporting the YES campaign, a lot would rather be Southern Scotland than Northern England to have the chance we have.}

15 Sep 2014 00:30:45
ED if this is about re-drawing the map on "vision and values" then YES would seem like a logical step

We may be small but we would be part of a bigger "european bloc" and if rUK wants to play ball, we would have an open doorstep market in terms of markets and economy etc

we have exchanged views all day and my questions still haven't been answered but you have opened my eyes, as have one or two other contributions

maybe, just maybe, the right policies and the right set of values and an inspirational vision may just tip the scales

the question will greed, consumerism and "i'm all right jack" attitudes be so entrenched and broadly reflect the majority of the voting public, or will that relent for a better, fairer scotland

a brave decision either way

thanks for your contributions and I will say noting else about it .i remain undecided but have moved further towards YES and away from NO.

90 odd hours to go

{Ed007's Note - It's only been a bit of friendly debate, and hopefully other posters have learnt things either way. If you were sitting next to me though I'd have probably punched you in the face by now lol :) In all seriousness I've enjoyed the last couple of days (we've probably bored the ar$e off everyone else though) and learnt some stuff I didn't know from you. Sssooooo seeing your so successful is the CelticRumours Independence Party at your mortgaged house, with the carry out on your credit card and you can drive us home in your car? I have none of the 3 btw, no mortgage, no credit card and no car.}

Oh and ED, I must say you disappoint me…take you home in my car after the party and after the carry out has been tanned ….

taxi for ED

{Ed007's Note - I don't drink, I'm a cheap date :)

Ed you don't need to rub it in…no mortgage, no credit car and no car. (!) that's because you bought your house outright after a share deal that turned out sweet, making so much money you don't bother with credit cards and you binned your maserati and f type Jaguar and hired a chaffer…

i know your sort! LOL :)

{Ed007's Note - Aye, I wish lol. Right before I go to my nest have a look at this from January this year:

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/10-key-economic-facts-that-prove-scotland-will-be-a-wealthy-independent-nation/

Take care, mate, God bless. If you want me to come in and talk to your workers before Thursday I'd be more than happy. I better warn you though that I'm a union man (the good kind) and a NEBOSH accredited qualified H&S inspector :)

Ed, paradise- keep up the good work! Its been a pleasure seeing you's debate! God bless

{Ed007's Note - I'm sure others would disagree but cheers.}

Others? I forgot about them….

back to talking about the TIC

…see that flippin manager and his 4-4-1-1 ….

Others? I forgot about them….

back to talking about the TIC

…see that flippin manager and his 4-4-1-1 ….

God a have loved the "banter" between you TWO over the last few days Even DN30 managed to get a wee bit in without rayman getting his counter in or vice versa lol

Feel as though am the perfect buffer to referee paradise & Ed's score go!

Cos I come from a family of STAUNCH Trade Unionists / Shop Stewards, Who have "out an out" Socialist viewpoints (bordering communism btw) but am the BLACK sheep of the family! Having worked 90-100 hrs a week in my twenties! (sadly true!) I now have NAE mortgage, a couple of MOTORS, TWO holiday homes and now only work circa 16hrs a week as a day trader! And now a staunch YES but have always been an advocate of "social justice" and my KEY staff have always did very very well from me! but having interjected in DN30 and rayman with a little light banter am happy to provide a TEN count for Ed & paradise lol (PS if any of the 2 of you have an insight in Dubai a fancy there next ) ATVB JB7

15 Sep 2014 07:52:01
Thanks for the chat bhoys. I really enjoyed the discussion on various threads. I feel like a bit of a freebooter plundering your posts but I just felt I had to make my little contribution.
Ed Unit D is a bit of a pain is it not;)

{Ed007's Note - The practical examination of a workplace? I actually thought that was the easiest part. I had worked in the engineering game for years so I was used to being in a workshop environment and I found that the people who had came from an office or shop environment found Unit D more difficult that people who had came from a workshop/building site environment. If you're still studying good luck, it's well worth it in the long run.}

Jamiebhoy

no need for the ten count; I quite the fight in round 8 when sopotcelt threatened to double team me with ED …

i thought enough is enough ….

opted for the group hug (or huddle)

:)

Agghhhh Paradise you canny beat a good huddle mate

A fully expected Ed to put me to the sword over the BLACK sheep bit

You see as a former nursery operator (42 female staff is the reason I have no hair left lol) you are not allowed to say black sheep anymore you now have to change it to wooly sheep (true) and as for the farmer wanting a wife well its now also the farmer wants a . PARTNER (also true) if anybody else gangs up on you let me know I canny stand bullies @ 6ft 3, all 18stones and the remainder (of what's left) a proud ginger, and no "shrinking violet" a come in handy when the riots start lol ATVB JB7

I will keep that in mind Jamiebhoy…you sound like the guy that plays the bagpipes in austin powers…cannae remember his name

you are at an advantage though come thursday, people will simple assume that you are and were always an emphatic big YES!