Celtic Banter Archive May 15 2019

 

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15 May 2019 23:44:35
Surely we should be looking at a younger manager than Marcelo Bielsa who is 63 and Rafael Benítez who is 59. We need to start building for the long time.

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16 May 2019 01:24:04
Realistically how long would a good manager stay mate? Like it or not most players/ managers see us as a stepping stone. If we get 3-4 seasons from someone like bielsa we would be doing well.

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16 May 2019 07:06:42
Any manager has a shelf life of about 3-4 years.
I couldn't care if he is 29 or 89 as long as he's a good manager.

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16 May 2019 07:48:49
Who says we're looking at tbem.

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16 May 2019 09:26:10
Mally you do know this is a rumour and banter site eh?

People are allowed to post about rumours they have heard, they are allowed to speculate and share their opinion, even if it's a load of nonsense.

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16 May 2019 09:47:31
You should remember that kev because you spend most of your time on here either disagreeing which your entitled to or trying to prove people wrong.
My point is the rafa rumour is bollocks pure and simple if people want to believe it go for it just count me out.

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16 May 2019 10:24:10
Mally people are just being spoiled cos we got the god almighty Rodgers

And cos that was made out to be such a big deal people expect to build on that.

Even though we have never employed a high profile manager in our existence.

Rodgers is so high profile the best team to want him was Leicester.

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16 May 2019 10:53:27
Good point tesla I don't mind rumours but some are just ludicrous if rafa is our next manager al be the first to hold my hands up after av got off the floor.

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16 May 2019 16:29:51
Tesla369 yeah your right we are spoiled. It's you who's acting spoilt, bumping your gums because Lennon won't be getting job permanently.

Actually are you really Neil Lennon? You sound like him.

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16 May 2019 16:58:06
Except I don't want Lennon. Just saying criticism of a manager who stepped into such a situation with one fit striker was insanely unfair

Even if it was any other manager I'd say the same.

Any manager should build his own side.

Due to the fact we are unlikely to spend money then I believe we won't afford the all round ability player we need to play an open possession style.

Which was evident under Rodgers. Ok domestically that's it.

For that reason I'd prefer a manager who is more balanced in his tactics and can get more out of a cheaper squad.

Lennon has done this before with us, however I'd much prefer Clarke, which is more realistic than the names given.

He's made it clear he's unhappy in Scotland though but maybe the size of the job could sway him.

I'd be over the moon to get guys like Rafa but tbh it's just ridiculous.

Only way a manager of that standard will arrive is if the board change the policy for them which I don't see happening anytime soon.

So u can sit and say I want Lennon blah blah but it's not even true.

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15 May 2019 23:11:44
Would anyone else replace Neil Lennon before the cup final given the importance his record at Hampdon and the chance of an historic triple triple, for me if we haven't interviewed candidates that are ready to move in immediately I would bring back Brendan for a one off game as the EPL is finished and he should be available, he knows all of the players and would give the fans an opportunity to say a fitting farewell.

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15 May 2019 23:20:31
Put the bottle down and get to your bed!

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15 May 2019 23:50:21
🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

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15 May 2019 23:50:35
Away n take a good look at yersel. He wouldn't even be welcome in the stands.

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16 May 2019 00:27:09
🤣 funniest post ever can’t stop laughing.

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16 May 2019 03:31:52
Is this post a wind up? Lol.

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16 May 2019 06:13:09
Bring Brendan back for the cup final and giving him a fitting farewell! See this is why some people shouldn’t be allowed that 2nd beer! Got to be in the top 3 of the most idiotic posts I’ve ever read on here! Can’t even take that serious to be honest!

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16 May 2019 07:08:00
Naw far to much disruption before a big game plus Lennon is a Celtic legend and that would be a disgraceful way to treat him.

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16 May 2019 08:26:28
No. I wouldn't replace Lennon before the cup final … I would have no issue in announcing a new manager before then, but he should lead us out to historic treble treble … he's earned that right and is worthy of a great send off!

As for Brendan … lay off the opioids.

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16 May 2019 08:33:54
Lenny lifting the cup for the treble treble will be a fitting way for Lenny to finish in style and go with his head held high and every Celtic supporters should be grateful he stood up and brought harmony and forays back to the team Well done Neil Lennon Celtic Legend 🍀🇮🇪.

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16 May 2019 10:23:18
😂😂😂😂.

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15 May 2019 22:19:57
The latest bookies odds are interesting, reading between the lines wee lenny being 5/ 1 etc tells me they've no got a clue who's getting the job, but they seem to think/ know that Neil ain't getting it.

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15 May 2019 22:12:42
Lennon blew it, let's face it. I'd still be looking for a more strategic appointment if he won all those tedious games. He didn't.

I know this is blunt, and that Lennon doesn't deserve it; he's given everything he has for the club, including at the very moment we needed it most in recent times.

Let's celebrate, good tims, and move on!

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15 May 2019 21:56:22
If that’s leeds out the equation for premiership football maybe their coach will want a new challenge. I love the man but Lennon isn’t what Celtic need. A bit of news would be welcome.

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15 May 2019 22:04:21
Hoping it’s not Lennon and hearing he’s had a major fall out with our head of sports science who called him unprofessional and a few other expletives due to the way the players have been getting trained and the rest days.

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15 May 2019 22:57:15
I think leeds will bid for Sinclair with another year in the championship.
If Rosie goes back to corrie, it would be close to work for both.

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16 May 2019 07:51:48
Well going by our injury list and under Rodgers watch most of the season maybe the sports science guy needs to look at himself.

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15 May 2019 18:21:08
With the core of players Celtic have the system we have played for the last 3 years suits the players style of play. If Lenny gets the job, I think it is something he will need to adapt to better than what we have witnessed recently.
Lenny prefers a 4-4-2 with plenty of cross balls the forwards need to attack and with most teams playing with a diamond 3 midfield, it will leave our 2 centre midfielders a man down, to compensate for the extra forward.
I think a 4-4-2 is more old school and is a formation we mostly see in inferior teams and lower league teams.
If our new manager sticks with our 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 then I would rather we spent good money on a top striker who can play the lone forward role rather than a left winger and then we can play Edouard on the left wing. If a forward was bought we would have plenty of cover in both positions.
Priority is a top right back and if Benkovic stays we would need a new project to replace Hendry. We also need cover for KT which would not cost too much.
If we got money for Sinclair, Ntcham or Rogic I would take the money and replace them with similar players, so whatever transfer money we would receive for them, I would spend at least that amount and more to replace them, hopefully with younger and fitter alternatives.
So as it stands, if Benkovic stays, I would spend big on a right back and a new striker and cover for centre half and left back and replace any players that leave.

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15 May 2019 19:22:34
Domestically 442 is fine. In Europe we'd get shagged. Juggling between being a dominant side at home and a team that can stifle better opposition in Europe is a big task for every Celtic manager.

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15 May 2019 19:23:33
Anyone who thinks Lennon will be permanent manager is away with the birds.

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15 May 2019 19:58:35
My priority is a no. 10 to pull the strings.

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15 May 2019 20:28:01
IC our defence is going to have about 4 players, got to prioritise that.

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15 May 2019 20:29:44
4231 and 433 got us hammered in Europe.

Last time we played 442 or 451 was Strachan we made last 16 twice.

Just saying.

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15 May 2019 20:30:03
Ditto Island Celt. Most important member of the team and something we're lacking.

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15 May 2019 20:34:52
“Lenny prefers a 4-4-2”
Lenny played 4231 and 433 mostly in his first spell.

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15 May 2019 20:45:16
Times have changed Tesla because 10 years ago most clubs were playing 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3.
Island celt, I do agree we need to be strong in the number 10 role next season. If Rogic isn't up to it, we need to replace him. I would have McGregor and Christie and then Rogic or replacement in the 10,the same as in November when we were running riot with our speed and accuracy, before even more injuries.

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15 May 2019 20:47:40
No idea who will get the job; but, paramount for me is someone who can switch formation and players quickly when needed and not someone with rigid, stubborn ideas, with no flexibility or tactical nous.

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15 May 2019 21:15:28
Not exactly Leon boy

Most were doing 433 then too.

Also Leicester won the EPL few years ago with 442 / 451

People assume cos not many sides use it that it's a "dead" tactic.

It's just a myth. You have the right players it will work, same as any tactic.

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15 May 2019 21:34:06
We can play many different formations all
Over the team players will adapt players will come and go but you have to get them believing in what the manager wants the new styles etc. Get the new manager right that is the main thing once that comes s right everyone else will fall into place. I really do hope we get it right along with with all the Celtic family HH.

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15 May 2019 21:36:11
I think the first time I heard of a 4-2-3-1 or something similar was John Barnes when he was our manager and he got ridiculed because everyone felt he didn't know what he was doing. Maybe back in the year 2000 he was ahead of the times and the players never understood what he was trying to achieve. To be fair to the Celtic players, he got a second chance at Tranmere and fudged that up also.

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15 May 2019 22:17:01
I don’t think the defence is to bad with the exception of a RB
Jozo, Ajer, KT and benko (fingers crossed) we lack cover

Recently we seem to struggle getting into the final third and a no. 10 of quality may change that
I like Christie but he would also benefit with quality coming into this
Position to aid his development and provide rotation

I reckon our squad is just tired after the phenomenal run of games and the achievements they had.
I also think now is the time to bring in a replacement for broony, although ntcham is a player I don’t think he’s a player who wants to stay for any length of time.

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16 May 2019 00:02:52
Haha leon barnes ahead of the times, he was some rapper ill give him that😂.

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16 May 2019 01:18:19
You play the formation that suits your players strengths, rather than be like Ronnie and read about how modern and upto date a certain formation is, and how old fashioned you will appear if you set your team up as 442 or 433,and then try to put round pegs into square holes, or like WGS, who was quite happy to lose goals aslong as his players stuck rigidly to his zonal defence madness,

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16 May 2019 13:10:11
I think 4-4-2 would work with Eouard and Bayo. Bayo being the target man and Edouard dropping deeper and getting a bit of free reign to link up midfield to attack. Both will be playing to their strengths. Far too many park the bus and that's what we need to break down these stubborn teams. In Europe though we can't play that way and definitely need a few new additions and move on the players that aren't performing or playing ie Bitton, Mulumbu, Ntcham, Benyu, Hendry, Kouassi? That'll free up wages and money for a few quality additions.

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15 May 2019 16:30:04
If John Park is named as HOR Lennon will follow as manager in my opinion.

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15 May 2019 17:11:26
I thought John Park went to Sunderland.

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15 May 2019 17:22:42
Not yet still not over the line.

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15 May 2019 18:32:56
John Park yes Lenny NO I really hope the board can't be that stupid.

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15 May 2019 16:18:47
Hi Bhoys, first time poster here so go easy!

What's everyones thoughts on announcing the new manager prior to the cup final?

If its Lennon then so be it (not my choice) however, with 8 weeks to go until our first champs league qualifier I think we need to move on this ASAP.


I believe announcing it would give everyone a much needed lift and give Lennon the send off he deserves - after helping lead us to the Treble Treble!

Thoughts?

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15 May 2019 16:35:17
I think - with what historical event can be achieved here - the total focus should be on the team and the Cup Final.
I agree the speculation and doubt has been a distraction these past few weeks and we are definitely not at our best, but I think if NL was getting the job, he would have received a few clues/ hints and his demeanor and mood would be much better than it has been lately.
So maybe naming a new man, would be disrespectful as well as damaging.

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15 May 2019 16:50:33
I think if you change the pilot it won’t affect the current weather. Do it after cup final.

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15 May 2019 17:12:21
I would have thought if it was Lennon then everyone would know by now.

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15 May 2019 17:29:51
People need to get idea Lennon is next manager out their head. The club will not risk upsetting fans any further.

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15 May 2019 21:44:22
Getting to take Celtic to the cup final was part of the deal. Thanks, Lenny.

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15 May 2019 22:58:14
I think naming a new manager before the cup final may focus a few players and force them to perform for the guy watching who will be picking the team next season as none of them seem to have a need to impress Lennon but obviously Lennon would still be there for the cup final just my opinion though.

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15 May 2019 13:00:25
Bit of a cynical post and I'm sure most will disagree with but is there any chance the powers that be don't actually want us to continue dominating the way we have been the past 3 years or so?

I live down south and on a daily basis I get the usual Scottish football is crap, one horse race etc etc. Most folk ask do I not get bored winning all the time? Of course growing up in the 90s with rangers domination I explain why I love my club being on the verge of a treble treble.

My question is would it be possible that PL/ DD want our rival (s) to be closer to us for competitions' sake and will not want to ensure we win 10 in a row?

Just wondered what Ed and everyone else's thoughts are. Part of me can't shake off the feeling that football is a bit rigged at times.

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{Ed007's Note - I have no doubts that with the amount of money involved football is fixed at certain levels mate - there's even some talk that Leicester's Pub League win was rigged by an Asian betting syndicate - but we only need to look at the SFA's treatment of the original Rangers and the Calciopoli scandal in Italy a few years back - but from what I hear from people close to the board, Lawwell and Desmond especially, they are as desperate as us to keep ahead of any Ibrox based club, how far in front is the obvious question. Ed001 has repeatedly said that referees in England show an obvious bias towards Man City to ensure they win and keep 11 on the park.
To be honest I think the religious & political divide that exists in Scotland would make it hard to fix games up and both parties know what was going on. I think up here it would be more likely betting on a red card that can be controlled by as few people as possible.
I'm not giving this website any credence but a lot of people do think it's spot on and there's plenty of others out there if you want to look into it:

www.footballisfixed.blogspot.com/

15 May 2019 13:55:41
Interesting. Cheers Ed. It would be amazing if DD/ PL actually spent some real money getting a top coaching team in. We all heard that DD essentially told PL to bury sevco after they beat us in the semi final in 2016. I'm hoping (but not holding my breath) that the defeat on Sunday is the catalyst to ensure we continue to dominate.

Incidentally, who makes the decision? Is it the board who vote, or does DD basically say who he wants in?

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{Ed007's Note - It's ultimately a board decision but they'll just back whoever Desmond and Lawwell agree on.}

15 May 2019 14:39:11
In all honesty. Has Desmond ever wanted to bury rangers going by the way the clubs been run in the last 6 month that seems a bit far fetched.

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15 May 2019 15:27:12
We have dominated from the year 2000 and are going for treble treble!

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15 May 2019 15:36:53
The old firm is a cash cow both sides want to maintain.

Go and Google the 1909 Scottish cup final.

They drew and went to replay. Another draw. Instead of extra time the game was set for a third replay.

Fans of both clubs invaded the park and tore down the goalposts as they felt it was being manipulated to make more cash from a third game.

Unfortunately our fans these days are much more trusting and almost refuse to question the actions of what is ultimately Tory businessmen running clubs. Bizarre.

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15 May 2019 16:11:23
So do you think the website Ed posted has some truth to it? We know you're a bit of troll but genuinely interested to hear other fans thoughts.

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15 May 2019 16:30:29
If you read through the info and the statistics either the matches play our perfectly to look like match fixing or it is match fixing haha. It’s crazy.

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15 May 2019 17:05:14
Really interesting thread this, it has crossed my mind that a lot of this shenanigans goes on. Sadly the game is all about money these days and to generate interest in the game you need competition. Makes you wonder if the club really do want to bury the club playing out of Ibrox. The next couple of seasons will tell, we have the resources to do it, but will we? . You get the feeling in an ideal world the club would like a closely contested league with Celtic winning it which keeps the interest from around the world.

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15 May 2019 17:33:30
HT I was born in 86 and grew up watching them win everything. I celebrate every single win and trophy like it’s the first we have won in years. The pain from growing up will never leave, as will all the sevconian’s pain who were born in the late 90’s early 00’s 😂.

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15 May 2019 21:59:56
I'm a year older than you Kev and my first cup final was Ibrox against Raith Rovers. The stick I took at school the next day I'll never forget. In fact all the slagging I took was worth it when you compare us to them now. I just hope the board don't let us down.
Like my dad always used to say to me "it's not easy supporting Celtic".

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16 May 2019 00:09:19
Stevie we don't need to bury them they done that all by themselves.

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16 May 2019 01:11:02
Henrikstongue
Imo I think dd and pl want to dominate rangers but at the least possible cost they can because it is a business, just like when rangers went down they appointed Deila probably the cheapest option possible just enough to keep the likes of Aberdeen at bay while not having to spend much money everything they do revolves around making sure the board is happy while making money, these kind of people have money because they are smart only spending it when they have too and even then it’s grudged! it all makes for frustrating watching but their never going to spend more money than they have too, the way they see it is why spend 50m to win the spl when you could spend 10m, still win it and with a bit luck could maybe get into the champions league.

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16 May 2019 01:25:40
HT same mate, made up for it in the Scottish Cup though, big pierres header. Only trophy I got to see mcstay lift as captain as a celtic fan. Too young to remember previous ha ha.

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15 May 2019 12:31:05
Posted the other day about Rafa Benítez but having seen the money he's on I can't see it happening.

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15 May 2019 13:07:44
I'd love it but never going to happen unfortunately.

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15 May 2019 10:56:01
I think we Celtic fans must be realistic about whoever gets the manager's job, first of all the daft stories of Mourinho and Benetiez both would cost an arm and a leg, BEFORE adding on transfer budgets.
Rodgers was on about £2.5m with bonuses, I cannot see Lawwell topping that, if he can he will pay LESS.
If it is Lennon all us fans must back him, same as Board. But I think maximum budget he, or any manager will get is £10m at best, unless we sell for daft prices. RB, CH and LB should be priorities. We have enough midfielders if all fit Brown, Biton, Christie, McGregor, Rogic, Nicham. Out wide we have Sinclair, Forest, Johnston, Shved and up front French Eddie, Griffiths (hopefully back fit) and Bayo (hopefully just playing)
With all the loans going it looks like up to 8 players may go in total. Bring in 4 or 5 first team ready players.
What worries me is, with Congerton going and Parks looking like Sunderland bound, the bold Pedro will again assume the role of DOF, a) because of his ego and b) it saves even more money on appointing anyone else.
Big decisions need to be made soon, I just hope our Board do not let us down again like last summer.

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15 May 2019 11:15:54
the club have just landed us in the worst possible position for next season Timalloy. We couldn’t even sign any of Rodgers Targets last year so what’s the chances that we have completely wrecked this whole thing we had going.

We are moving on next to 8-12 squad players. Our Head scout is gone with no replacement in place for the summer. Our manager has not been confirmed and there is uncertainty throughout the whole fan base of how we are going to dig ourselves out of this hole. Day by day this is getting worse and we’re clutching at straws. We need to spend some real money for once. Get the right man in that will manage our players correctly. Put a bit of fight in our game and can spot a player with potential a mile away. Slacking in the managerial department is the concoction for disaster and we all know it. We can afford someone like Bilic who is willing to come to the club. Maybe he will actually get these players working again. They’ve all dropped in form. That squad is so gutless right now it’s unbelievable.

We need 4-5 first team ready players like you say. We’re hedging our bets on lustig for another season who can’t last a full match without injury anymore and is also slower than a week in the jail. Izzy is going to be KTs back up again. Rogic is absolutely rotten again. We have depth in one position that being CM on the whole pitch. The squad needs freshened up massively. We can’t compete with this squad much longer and failure beckons. The signs are there and nothings being done to solve the issue. If the board mess this up I hope they are ready for the backlash because they know exactly what is expected of them nowadays. I really hope no one reply’s with “remember the 90s? ”. That was then. This is now.

Do what is right Lawwell and Desmond. Don’t leave us disappointed.

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15 May 2019 11:19:32
Good post Tim can't argue with any of that and this window will shape the club for the next 2 or 3 years they must get it right . If we flex our mysvlrz the 7 year old club can't live with us.

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15 May 2019 15:58:32
KenLikeEh although we have not been at our best recently, but one defeat in our last 23 domestic games two trophies won and possible treble treble next week and we are in a hole. I would be so happy if we are in the same hole next season. The reaction to the defeat against that mob and I agree we never played well is a bit over the top. oldkilly.

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15 May 2019 16:38:09
Our squad have been absolutely knackered for so long. Age is catching up on some players in key positions. Form has dipped drastically. Those wins weren’t convincing and we can’t trod on and act like they are sufficient for next season. We can’t expect European football with those kinds of results and those performances against teams we are expected to beat. We need to improve.

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15 May 2019 18:48:00
Sorry I will never back Lenny great guy but NEVER a guy to move us forward just stagnate or go back words. And if the board can't see that IMO they can't have the best interest of the club in mind or the fans.

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15 May 2019 08:53:47
Hi all.

What do we think about getting a half decent manager in after Sunday's disaster. I'd love to say this strengthened our chance to getting a blue chip manager, I. e mourinho or Rafa, but can't see the board going for them. My pal fellow poster CraigyBhoy reckons mourinho is a done deal as he's apparently bought a house in the west end.

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15 May 2019 10:22:27
Molan, away and suck yer grannies toes ye balloon HH.

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15 May 2019 10:30:54
Mourinho - aye, right lol.

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15 May 2019 16:57:11
We always had idiots within our support . Morurinho would, imo, be one of the worse possible managers we could get . He would be even worse than Roy Keane which says a lot . The special one would fight with everyone at the club, from Board through his management team, players, supporters and fans . The place would become as cheerless as a morque,

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16 May 2019 12:49:43
Tony Mourhinio.

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14 May 2019 19:53:32
Is Shved registered to play this season Ed.

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{Ed007's Note - Not for us, Rich, no.}

15 May 2019 10:46:48
He'll be worth the wait for next season. HH.

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{Ed007's Note - Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing him next season as well.}

15 May 2019 08:06:53
Brilliant attitude from the young Ukrainian could be lying on a beach but decides to come over early and start to train with his new teammates.

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15 May 2019 07:58:13
Forrest saying he'll be fit for the final and could at this weekend thank the lord .

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15 May 2019 11:22:15
Should leave him out for weekend give him plenty time to recover.

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15 May 2019 15:28:35
Totally kev 👍.

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15 May 2019 00:15:30
These interested managers are coming thick and fast now, slaven bilic has come out and said he is interested now this is a man I rate

If this is true he should be given the job I think over any of the other names mentioned as favourites ie hughton Martinez moyes calvahal ect

Bilic is just as big a manager as Brendan in my eyes and will be perfect for celtic make it happen celtic 🍀🍀.

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15 May 2019 09:37:44
Remember back to May 2016 and the euphoria of a big-name manager.
It was not only instrumental in giving the whole club a boost after a difficult period, but we also saw a couple of major early signings and an almost immediate improvement in players who were almost going through the motions or lacking motivation.
The next appointment has to be as good - if not better - than that, in order to sort out our player surplus, address key positions we lack and lift the moral and 'hunger' in the camp.
On another not; The difference in attitude and enthusiasm in NL since the day he took temporary charge - to recent games, seems to have rubbed off on the teams performances and although you can perfectly understand his apparent disappointment and dejection, I hope they can all re-focus and concentrate on the job in hand.

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15 May 2019 17:20:55
I don't want a manager who tells everyone he is a good manager like B Rodgers does . I prefer someone who is actually a good manager .
Rodgers trained the guts out of our players and it worked a dream in his first year when we were invincible . Unfortunately and unsurprisigly, in his 2nd yr performance slipped back somewhat . After yr 1 whilst clapping himself on the back, he said the unbeaten season would never be repeated, and it certainly wasnt. We won treble but league with a meagre 82 pts. Yr three the rot was on and up to Christmas we were not great . The break in sun and a run of fairly easy games papered over the cracks and B R made a run before the difficult spell came .
I thing Rodgers made a major mistake by over training the players and he didn't take account the very short break between seasons and with many players on International Duty and Under 21 Int's who had even shorter breaks . The training plus many poor additions, have left us a first team group of very tired players before end of season .
First yr the players were fresher before the pre- season started. 2nd and 3rd season players were still wrecked before preseason, & their tiredness this season resulted in more players in the sick bay than on training pitch.

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