Celtic Banter Archive July 15 2013

15 Jul 2013 21:01:06
I know it was stated in here but was it true that SFA tier 1 spl referees started officiating at t'rangers div3 games? When they were stuck at fourth position? And that fifteen red cards were given to the opposition? Straight reds? To give SEVCO 15 games against ten men?
And that no other div3 games (all part time teams) enjoyed top grade referees?

I find all the above totally unbelievable and really need some honest input to put me right on this.

For players in div3 to have to change their playing style only for SEVCO games then change it back again to div3 refereeing standards would be a clear skewering of the integrity of the division last season.

The reason given was, that televised games need a grade 1 official, regardless of what division the teams are in.This didn't stop the shocking refereeing displays that handed the new club some much needed help in most of the games.

Briggs

Op would you really be surprised by this? This new club has been aided at every hint of trouble! What can we expect as this has been the norm for many years with the now dead club also!

Nothing really changes does it! I think we all were thinking maybe there maybe a new start for this new club, but it appears that it's been business as usual for all the wrong reasons!

The best of the lot, the absolute creme de la creme was the disallowed Berwick Rangers goal against them in there 3rd or 4th game of the season 2 minutes from time that would have won Berwick the match. Not a single thing could any honest ref find with that goal, yet that day that particular ref did. No shoving, no offside. no handball, the corner didn't go out before curling back in, no one blocked the keeper. Nothing. It was shameful. And it left me feeling I had genuinely just witnessed a team being cheated. My guess? The ref had a few bob on Rangers going the whole season unbeaten. He needn't have bothered lol

Briggs you are right it was the reason given because that's the rules.jmgers

Ffs a couple of pre season humpings and its came to this! brilliant keep it up lads.jmgers

@3) and Lenny's first year against WS at RFC. Inverness robbed of a win against RFC. Sports writers wrote the next day the game was corrupted in Scotland.

@3. Says it all really, no matter how low a level they find themselves at, this will happen. It's ingrained. The pressure on these referees should be continued, all controversial decisions should be publicly explained right after the match. Why should the ref not be interviewed on tv? Especially in these times of match fixing.

15 Jul 2013 20:42:13
Celtic shouldn't be looking at him, but the sevvies have admired Lyle Taylor at Falkirk all last season. A div1 awards winner and top goal scorer would surely be a catch for a third tier mob. however the SEVCO budget is so restricted the £250k price tag is clearly beyond their means. Or has the boy knocked them back and it's being kept quiet whilst he's ushered out of Scotland? Jackie Mac should be thinking of giving him a game at dun utd. Especially if he gets money for Mackay-Steven.

We are not allowed to buy players mate.jmgers

They are not allowed to buy players till next year, was the moon busy when you went on holiday, fab1

They're signing up lots of players that should have price tags of £250k or more on them, remarkably freed up by their clubs with a year left on contracts.
Where there's a will there's a way. As they say. U know, Taylor is mysteriously released from contract by Falkirk, etc, .

@No.3

Another strange one was the Foster transfer - released by Bristol City, signed by Rangers. Rangers play a pre-season friendly at Bristol City and agree to waive their share of the gate money. Hmm.

TomTheTim

@3 corruption and the usual underhand dealings of this rancid organization! But what can you do if the policing authority (sfa) is infested with former employees or supporters of the rancid bunch and refuse to police it the way that it is supposed to!
Needs to be an enquiry into the dealings of the SFA/SFL/SPL and of the rangers and the new club the The Rangers! The skeletons in their closets need to come out! And I am sure there are some almighty skeletons in there!

@3 the match was set up by the sponsor of both clubs, Blackthorn, nothing to do with Foster. Stop clutching at straws to try and score petty points. PB

@ 6

So why did Bristol get to keep all the gate money if it wasn't in lieu of a transfer fee for Foster?

TTT

Nobody is clutching at straws, we're ok, its ibrox where desperation lives. Guys on here just pointing out the strange coincidences that follow the rangers around. That foster deal is dodgy. Guys pants anyway. Must be if ally likes him.

15 Jul 2013 19:05:43
According to the papers Norwich have made a £4m bid for Hooper.There is however a deadline on this bid, which I think was 5pm tonight.If we have let this pass, without accepting the bid, I would think we have played into Hooper's hands.

Obviously if he does not fancy Norwich then he is free to say no. The problem for me is we have not drawn a line in the sand. By accepting the bid we would have shown that we have had enough, if he wants to go get his agent on it. The knock on from this is he would realise that we are making other plans and he would not be a first pick. Does he fancy playing in just a few league games till he leaves?

The longer this drags on the worse the outcome for Celtic will be.For Hooper things get better.If he goes pre contract he will pocket an enormous fee from whoever he signs for. Time for us to play hardball with him and his advisors. No player has ever been bigger than Celtic, and no player ever will. It will be interesting to see if he plays in Belfast, or will his 'strain' prohibit him?. green jhedi

GJ,

We should not be held to ransom by anyone. No-one should be setting us deadlines, especially not a pissant outfit like Norwich who were flirting with relegation to the 4th level of English football until our ex-captain took them by the scruff of the neck and dragged them into the EPL. If they don't match Celtic's valuation they should GTF, end of. If Hooper throws a wobbly, stick him in the reserves until his contract expires. Stuff the transfer fee, no-one is bigger than the Club.

TomTheTim

By accepting the bid, we would have shown we are a small time outfit being bullied by other teams! We would have left ourselves wide open for this to happen more often than not.

Briggs

@Briggs: You might not like this but compared to any EPL side financially, we are small time.

If you take away the monetary aspect, then Norwich and Southampton are not on the same planet as us, only a couple of EPL clubs are, but money talks mate.

What would you prefer, £4m now or nothing when Hooper signs a pre contract in Jan?

As for leaving ourselves wide open, how? All we can do is offer players contract extensions.If they refuse to sign then we need to look at moving them on. Vic and Hooper would not re sign. So let's make sure we get a fee.,,, green jhedi

16 Jul 2013 13:03:42
I totally agree! I'm so fed up hearing about Gary Hooper now. If he wants to go then just go already. We plucked him from relative obscurity and gave him some great times that he'll never find elsewhere without getting into a top four EPL team. If he really thinks that playing for a Norwich or QPR will get him into the England squad then good luck with that Gary. Where's his head at? I think Chico Mulgrew says it all here. 1.35 in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqHF-Ymq_58

@GJ I agree that financially we might be small time compared to epl teams, but in terms of stature we are head and shoulders above them. It may sound insane but I would rather take a loss in money than bowing to those clowns. But hopefully QPR will come in now and end all the speculation surrounding him. I will also say that I wish him all the best for the futureas we all want to better ourselves in life, and I suppose that's what he thinks but I'm not to sure if its for footballing reasons that he's leaving although I might be wrong.

Briggs

@ Briggs: Spot on mate.We dwarf the majority of EPL clubs in every aspect bar financial.As for the loss of money, I can't agree with that one.He has been well paid for three years we should get something for that.

It seems QPR have got him and like you I wish him nothing but the best.He done a good job for 90% of the time he was here. As you say he is bettering his life, can anyone say they would not do the same? Good luck to him, but he will not get what he had here in a footballing sense. green jhedi

15 Jul 2013 17:19:56
Afternoon ed, I agree with chrisbhoy on the way we do business, years gone by we could rely on targets wanting to come to celtic, nowadays the quality players need every bit of promting to come here, sad but true money is god., on another note for years most of us have wanted 2 quality center backs, I was hoping the scouting system would have made this a priority, do you think this will get sorted ed . Ths {Ed007's Note - I thought Kelvin Wilson would have been the answer but he has looked a shadow of the player he was at Nottingham Forest.}

15 Jul 2013 14:14:06
TRAVELLING TO THE CLIFTONVILLE MATCH ANYONE?
I wouldn't be too worried about this guys. If you've got a ticket there is no reason why you shouldn't go. There isn't too much to be worried about. All you have here is a crowd of hooligans with feck all else to do and most of these things blow over as quickly as they start. Solitude is far enough away from the flashpoint areas to be totally safe. Stay away from the dodgy areas and you'll be 100% as safe as you would be in Glasgow or any other city in the UK.
Don't let these nobheads put you off or ruin your experience. Trust me, Belfast is a million times safer now than it was in years gone by. The persons won't get near Solitude and you won't be going anywhere near them so please support the Bhoys with pride and let the nutcases feel the shame of their actions.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

100% chris mate, there's no reason why our fans from scotland should stay away from this match, the falls road ardoyne new lodge and the cliftonville area will be buzzing. I guarantee our friends from scotland won't encounter any of these knuckle dragging orang-tangs, please fellow tims don't be put off come over and enjoy the occasion with us belfasters the craic will be 90 the weathers holding up so no shortages of party's, and the bars have put on all sorts of entertainment even if yas don't havet tickets come for the party. belfastbhoy!

Good shout men belfast will b a good place the b for for what already would have bin a great nyt neways
afgandan

15 Jul 2013 12:42:23
What we need is the Tony Watt who scored against Barca, not the Tony Watt we appear to have at the moment. Young lads who think they know it all in football are a dime a dozen. Many exceptionally talented kids have fallen by the wayside due to attitude issues. It's a sign of the times in our society and it happens in all walks of life, not just football.
If the kid is kicking off then we need to ship him out of the club. Whether that's on loan or for good is not my call but a spell at a lesser club might act as something of a "boot camp" for him. Maybe he'll realise that he doesn't know everything after all.
I once heard a story about an 18 year old lad who was going to University. His parents were trying to give him advice and he was rejecting it on the grounds that they didn't know anything about life. At the end of his course he said he was surprised how much his parents had learned about life in 3 years!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

If the truth be told other than the two goals against murderwell and the Barca goal he has nothing to shout about. Maybe he is forgetting he had a clear run on goal v Barca, still had to keep it together, but a clear run none the less.

Dont get me wrong I think the boy has talent, but what impressed me most was his work rate.That part of his game has not advanced at all. I also think he would come good with a physical partner, Balde?, but it is up to the boy himself. let's hope he knuckles down and workshard. green jhedi

My friend is currently working in Magaluf and Tony was on holiday there last month. To quote her, "Tony Watt wasn't amused last night when I didn't know who he was" - obviously thinks he's the dogs danglies!

LM67

Am from motherwell which is close 2 wer he's from and from what av heard he's always out on the bevy and he's a big headed pr1ck struttin about tellin folk am tony watt no joke a know people who have met him in house parties and said he was an absolute @rsehole sayin 2 lassies u know who a am? all that carryon so wether he has the same attitude in training and that's why he's bein loaded out a dunno

GunnieBhoy

I know this is rumours page and fans post what they hear, but I can assure you tony watt is not on the bevy all the time. My nephew who is also a sportsman not a footballer is tony, s best pal and they are always in each others homes (fact) not on the bevy.im not having a go at anyone, just telling it as it is.jimbhoy

Gunnie watts an a*rseh#le away from cp and the training ground always chasing skirt with links to the type of chaps best to be avoided he's avoided a few slappings due to a few celtic minded guys stepping in but if he keeps carrying on the way he is it'll be another case of a young guy who had it all and threw it all away hope not because I think he has the making of a cracking player if he only knuckles down and gets his head straight
thommyj

15 Jul 2013 10:16:34
Just reading the papers and a couple mention that 4 Kenyan clubs and Beerschot are looking for a sell on for Wanyama, but don't say how much. One paper states that war breaks out over Victor Wanyamas 12.5 transfer fee, witch sounds serious until you workout how much we might have to pay. Beerschot are due 1 percent of profit £116,000 if we have to pay, then the Kenyans are reported to be due a share of 5 per cent of his transfer fee. An Edinburgh paper is more specific about the Kenyans share stating that according to fifa rules they could be due a 5 per cent cut of 10 per cent of the total transfer fee, this is £62, 500, even if we have to pay all 4 that's only £250,000. So overall Celtic may have to pay £366,000 from £12.5million.mark

The development fees are surely due from beerschot not another club further down the sell on chain. With beerschot bust, they're all on a hiding to nothing.
Also Hooper won't go for less than £5m.
Pro SEVCO papers can't find anything bad on the big club so come up with this piffle. Meanwhile there's a torrent of significant bad news from sevvy land that gets unreported or played down.

PL is a shrewd enogh thinker, he'll have all variables covered, the usual Sevco rubbish growing arms and legs from jealous Zombies, the fact we have just sold a player for more money than there whole tribute act is worth including greyskull and the magic bus shows the usual disdain . Green with envy

Green Judge

@2 what have rangers got to do with it.jmgers

Don't know why the Kenyan clubs would be due money of us or beershot (spelling) because he was with Helsingborg before them

Hoopybhoy

Surely any monies due to kenyans would come from the belgians or have we to give his maw a cut as well for breast feeding and nappy changing duties as well ffs
HH thommyj

To jmgers, I've heard rangers fans discuss the non story and the situation smacks of the same old
guff thrown at us in the past.To try and lessen the impact of a record breaking sale of a player!, looks like they want gullible people to believe we will earn no money from it and let some people believe the deal was tainted perhaps? do you see the theme here?
you asked what it had to do with Rangers why else are you on here? certainly not to congratulate us
on Wanyama's sale so something to do with football.?
No paranoia no obsession just integritty

Green Judge

Thanks for the the reply gj but I have to ask again what's it got to do with rangers?some of wanyamas previous clubs want a percentage of the fee for some reason or another so you start ranting about a f###ing bus and zombies and your response was even worse made no sense at all and didn't answer my question and made you seem a bit mad but i'm sure your a nice normal guy really.jmgers