Celtic Banter Archive April 15 2014

 

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15 Apr 2014 21:42:02
Really dissapointed that our PR dept and press officials are still allowing so called journos to question our players and management about a now defunct football club . Doesn't Stokes know that the club died and can't really return . Journalists and reporters should be warned before a press conference to ask questions only on Celtic FC and anything concerning us . DH

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Journalists and reporters are twisted sneaky f*ckers.

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16 Apr 2014 09:55:00
Agree with everybody on here with this, they are of no importance to us fans, except to laugh at.
We do not need them to survive (but they most certainly do need us)
We have made more money since they died than ever before, we are financially secure and our biggest challenge every season is the Champions league and improving our coefficient each year.
Aberdeen and Dundee United if they keep improving will challenge us domestically and keep us on our toes.

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I work in HSE for an international company. The press are Basta*rds and will do whatever it takes to get a story. We have even had them turn up at someones door with a camera to get a first reaction on a loved ones death. The MSM are sensationalist reporters and we have already seen how they have been manipulated on the demise and magical reincernation of a group of liars and cheaters across the city.

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The whole Celtic 'stance' on this since their demise in 2012 has been far too muted and over 'diplomatic' and it totally stinks.
Month by month they have been artificially re-generated as the original article - being allowed to play at the old clubs stadium and train at the lucrative Murray Park - while original debts and creditors remain unpaid.
The continuation of the strip and badge nonsense and the '1872' is a blatant flaunting of fraud and lies.
The MSM have carried this forward without any challenge, condemnation or even question from our football authority, member clubs or even our MSP's in a year of such importance?
Even now in the wake of two cup 'disasters' in a row their manager is still untouchable in blissful ignorance.

Celtic should know and remember, only too well how this scenario would have panned out if the shoe was on the 'left foot' and how every last one of them would have buried us with sublime satisfaction.

JJ

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Remember Eisenhower after WW2 telling them to photograph everything and make local population help bury the dead in the extermination camps. Bottom line, memories fade if you don't capture the event right away. MSM are slowly but surely making it look like this lot across the city were hard done by. Even members of this site are playing into their hands by stating they dont care about the 'manky mob'. Never forget, they lied and cheated to achieve success and the heirarchy have done every thing it could to move them upwards. Hearts at least have tried to pay back their debts and move on. The zombies just act like nothing has changed and let's spend more cash that we don't have. Rant over Ed and will not be upset if you don't post

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I don't think we can hold Stokes responsible, any reply other than what he gave, would have been publicised all over Scotland insinuating Stokes was a bigoted Irish putting Stokes life and that of his family at risk .

The club itself has remained far too diplomatic and should have been putting pressure on the SFA, showing the SFA complicit in all the people cheating . Celtic should be leading the way for all Scottish clubs not just trailing behind .

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Surely to god stokes is allowed an opinion, rightly or wrongly, if that's what he thinks?

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15 Apr 2014 21:35:42
Oh dear Anthony Stokes. When our players are asked ANYTHING regarding sevco it should be an across the board no comment.His latest quote is now being used as some kind of balm to soothe the seething bears into thinking they are still in some way needed by us.They are not.

What they in fact are is a lower league club, riddled by in fighting and leaking cash at an unsustainable level.A financial basket case who still labour under the impression that they are 'the peepul'.A fan base who, and forget the small minority sound bites as was proved at the weekend, still revel in bigotry.A club who despite the SFA helping them still cannot get their house in order after two short years of history. This is good for Scottish football?

I just hope that Mr Lawwell and the rest of the board realise the VAST majority of our fans would be fine with never playing them again.I posted a while ago that if I see Celtic ever use the term 'old firm', if we ever meet them again, in any pre game promo I will be cancelling my season book.Scottish football seems to be doing fine, in fact there seems to be a bit of momentum coursing through the veins of a few clubs.

Aberdeen and Dundee Utd are looking stable and ready to move forward.Kilmarnock seem to be putting their financial troubles behind them and even Motherwell seem to be working their budget well. Hearts, although going down, will be much stronger when they return because they have behaved properly through an administration.Young team, gaining experience and developing together.Pretty much what sevco should have done.

Lets hope our PR dept have a word with the players.We don't need to talk about a lower league club until we meet them in a cup.Let them enjoy their journey in peace. Not missed then, now or ever.

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Just posted near enough the same .GJ . I know our players would get pelters if they were talking about dead clubs etc . But the board must start making things clear and making a stand on this . Even our manager is still accepting them as the same . DH

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I have just watched the Stokes interview on Sky and was squirming in my seat .Why didn't he just refuse to answer any questions regarding them as any positive responses will only be used as PR. Anyone who has had the misfortune to watch them this season would be under no illusion that they have nothing positive to add to the league.

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I wonder how true it is that we as a support would be happy to never play any club what ever reincarnation you believe it is again ED could you sort out a poll to ask if we would be happy to never play Rangers again or would we like to see them back in spl with our 4 games a year back again. I for one remember going to see us playing Dundee last season and thinking this should be old firm day but its gone and being absolutely gutted I could never watch us pump them again and like Stokesy I want it back however unfashionable it is to say this on here My name is Alex and I am an old firm junkie. there I've said it cue the bully bhoy tatics of some on here with the its gone never will be and all that as well as your a closet person well bring it on I can't be the only one missing it surely

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{Ed007's Note - I'm using my tablet just now to update the sites mate, I'll do it tomorrow when I'm online on a laptop or PC.}

Interesting comments as always GJ. Hearts have shown how admin should be dealt with but they actaully accepted their problems. Th act across the city still believe they bwere hard done by. Looking forward to Hearts gubbing them next season

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15 Apr 2014 21:33:44
Seen a few post arguing about if this seasons been a success or wether we have went backwards well ad like to know what we as fans expect from celtic for a season to be defined as a sucess for me personally a feel we should
A- win league
B-win one cup
C-third place in group stage
Now a feel that this should be celtics requirements year in and out for foreseeable future a think anything else is a failure and if we aren't at least aiming for the above then where exactly are celtic heading surely as a club we should be trying to achieve more and grow in stature rather than simply stagnate surely we should be aiming for more

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I would agree and love us to achieve that, remember in Europe to finish third we have to over come a bigger wealthier team than ourselves . For the foreseeable future we will be seeded fourth but no doubt next year and the following years Lennon and his players will produce more magnificent nights in Europe .

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{Ed007's Note - It's nothing to do with wealth, look at teams like Basel, Olymiacos, the wages Dutch teams pay (Ajax top earners are on circa 1.2 million Euros p.a. and the average Dutch wage is circa 8k Euros, we pay Samaras £18k a week, surely even you can see where the fault lies?) plus the average weekly wage in the EPL is £30k a week.
As I say time and time again, if we act like a small club and the fans accept it we will be treated like a small club. None of your poxy arguments or blaming me for all the CFC fans having a different opinion from you can change the cold hard facts and figures. All you are doing is trolling the site disagreeing for no apparent reason, you never say anything that you can back up and you're stating your opinion (which you're entitled to) as fact.
You either give it a rest or you'll be blocked, I've already had to delete posts that were nothing to do with anything except personal attacks on me, that isn't discussing things, that's being a t1t.}

Yeah, I agree with ed here. We should be aiming for second every year. We have the cash to raise our wages to 30k per week. There's a big difference in quality between a 25k per week player and a 30k per week

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You can spend all the money in the world on a dream team, but if club does not have the right management team in place its a waste of time

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Domestic doubles or trebles with European football beyond Christmas is the minimum we should be getting back from Celtic!

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Good points made Ed. Sammi should be made to sit it out with juniors as he does not give a rubbish, The wage issue is a great point but the stumbling block is not what CFC will pay, its why move to a rubbishty league. CFC reputation is very high, the League however is something else

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We proved last season against three teams with declared far higher turnovers than Celtic, Barcelona, a Russian team and a Portuguese team that a fairly good manager can work semi miracles . With a good manager I suppose we would hope for similar success nearly ever year . A poor manager probably wouldn't achieve the like of that at all in my opinion .

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{Ed007's Note - What happened this year, what did we prove this season? Are we not counting getting thumped 6-1 and equalling the club's record goal margin defeat in European competition, or not getting on top of Ajax who we pay higher wages than or being humbled at home by possibly the poorest Milan team in recent memory?
Going by your reckoning that we can't compete with teams who spend more money than us then surely the same applies to us being beaten by Aberdeen in the Scottish Cup and Morton (who will be relegated to the 3rd tier of Scottish football this year), then there is all the other failures in cup competitions under NL's tenure where he has won 2 out of a possible 9 domestic cups whilst having no real competition financially in the majority of them. You can't have it both ways.}

15 Apr 2014 17:26:26
I have had my say on Griffiths and what should be done with him (club ban of minimum 5 games, fined 2 weeks wages donated to a refugee charity and community service again working with refugees) totally stupid what he did and I have no problem with SFA opening an investigation also.
What I DO have a problem with is the randomness of what the SFA are prepared to investigate. If Griffiths singing in a pub comes under SFA jurisdiction then surely a match sanctioned by said SFA (ie semi final at ibrox on Saturday) comes firmly within this remit also.
We all heard the sectarian songs from the start and apparently the previous week at Easter Road the same hymnsheet was belted out.
So I have emailed the SFA (do not expect any kind of response) asking what constitutes sectarian singing in their eyes, does a cup semi final sanctioned by them come under their jurisdiction for investigation, is Mr Vince Lunney the Compliance Officer looking into these matters and if not why not. The SFA cannot pick and choose which songs to investigate and which not to. Argument I got from an ex official was that they could identify Griffiths, but cannot identify 10,000 people singing (honest this argument was put forward)
So far there is deafening silence from within SFA and surprise surprise very little mentioned in press.
If anyone else agrees with me, I would urge you to email SFA/Mr Lunney and ask for an explanation.

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Why bother Timalloy? you're only upsetting yourself to think that the SFA will even read your email. If they have a customer charter and it mentions replying to correspondence within a certain period of time then you should refer to that charter in your letter.

In reality the SFA are answerable to no one, UEFA? another joke.

We can email all we like but the bottom line is this, nothing makes them sit up and take notice like diminishing revenues. We the fans need to hurt them financially to be taken seriously. Now how do we organise that. Don't hold your breath and go turning purple on us now!

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15 Apr 2014 10:30:27
15th April 1989

Britians worst sporting disaster claimed the lives of 96 Liverpool fans at Hillsborough, the youngest was 10 years old.

It has taken more than 2 lifetimes of this youngster, fighting by the families and friends of those affected to get any truth and justice for what actually happened that day and in the aftermath.

Of the 96 that died, only 14 were ever admitted to hospital.

4 days after the tragedy the Sun newspaper published a story under the headline The Truth, and claimed that fans had picked the pockets of victims, and attacked and urinated on police and rescue workers. This prompted an angry and intense backlash. The newspaper took 23 years to apologise and issue the headline - The Real Truth. 23 YEARS it took them!

The interim report from Lord Justice Taylor in August 1989, wrote that the key element of police control at fault was the failure to close off the tunnel leading to pens 3 and 4 once Gate C had been opened.

He went on to criticise police for their failure to handle the build-up of fans outside the ground properly, and their slow reaction to the unfolding disaster.

Some of his strongest words were reserved for the police commander, Ch Supt David Duckenfield, for failing to take effective control, and South Yorkshire Police who attempted to blame supporters arriving at the ground late and drunk.

Despite this report a verdict of accidental death was recorded and nobody was held accountable. The inquest was also limited to the time of 3.15pm of that day on the assumed grounds that all the victims were either dead or brain dead by this time.

However, this meant that the response of the police and ambulance services after 3.15pm could not be properly examined.

In the years that followed more evidence came out regarding the failings of South Yorkshire Police until eventually in April 2009, the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith requested South Yorkshire Police to release secret files containing detailed evidence.

In December that year, the Hillsborough Independent Panel was set up by Home Secretary Alan Johnson to oversee a 'full public disclosure of relevant government and local information'.

Delivering its report in September 2012, the panel found that police had deliberately altered more than 160 witness statements in an attempt to blame Liverpool fans for the fatal crush.

It found that crowd safety was 'compromised at every level' and that 41 of the 96 who died could have survived, prompting calls for fresh inquests.

The panel also found that the source of the Sun newspaper story was a 'local Sheffield press agency informed by several SYP officers, an SYP Police Federation spokesperson and a local MP (Sir Irvine Patnick)'.

The disclosures prompted apologies from Prime Minister David Cameron and former Sun editor Kelvin Mackenzie, and calls for a criminal investigation into the police handling of the disaster - again 23 YEARS it took them!

In December 2012 the High Court quashed the original inquest verdicts, and Home Secretary Teresa May ordered a fresh police inquiry into the disaster which is ongoing right now.

Hopefully all those affected can get some form of justice for what happened that day and the aftermath which is the truly evil and unforgivable part.

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The biggest cover up in police history, the cruel and wicked defamation of innocent people, thank god this was exposed. And the S*n rag? Absolute toilet paper. Justice for the 96.
Rest In Peace.

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Justice will be done when prosecutions are brought and fat pensions removed from the wicked monsters who defamed the souls who perished that horrendous day.

As for the scum? Football should have got together when they were exposed as the lying thatcher loving chip paper they are.They should have been hounded out of football the way they were in Liverpool. Clubs should have removed all press passes and any involvement with their players.

May they rest in peace but let's never forget them.

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Justice for the 96. Justice for their loved ones.

You'll Never Walk Alone.

Hail Hail.

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I like everyone else was shocked and ashamed at what happened at Hillsborough, no matter what happens now, none of the families will have their loved ones home . The one thing that worries me is the number of police men herding Celtic supporters at games . There are times when it appears there are more police than the fans they are herding . I am worried that things get out of hand and people are injured or worse . No doubt Police will cover up their role in the disaster .
I cannot understand why Celtic cannot steward their own fans, as should other clubs with little or no visible police presence .

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15 Apr 2014 10:23:06
I really can't wait for this season to end.

I can't remember being this bored with Celtic in my life!

We needed the Scottish Cup to keep up interest and with Lennon's refusal to experiment with team selection I can't see too many people turning up for games until the league trophy presentation.

Hopefully next season we have a new manager and a couple of quality signings that will improve the team and put up a better challenge for honours than this year's feeble attempts.

Add in some better performances in Europe and this time next year we might all be a bit happier.

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I have every optimism we will win the treble ext season Che!

Neil Lennon has Celtic in the position that anything less will not be acceptable after this debacle of a season.

Totally agree, our season being over in March is beyond dull and I have been looking at the CL dates this Summer.

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Totally agree Che;
I have been really disillusioned since our CL disaster and especially the early Cup defeats (at home)!
The title canter is poor consolation as we had absolutely no pressure from either a serious rival, or other trophies to compete for.
The season has to go down as a step or two backwards from the previous one and I really hope lessons have been learned as to the calibre of player required for Europe at Celtic and the tactical/personnel short comings in important games.
The board/manager have to address this or face the consequences.

JJ

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I think most fans will not agree that we have taken a step or two backwards this season . We qualified for the Champions League, it would be really a case of over expectation for us to repeat last season's magnificent achievements. All we can do now is prepare to get back to those giddy heights next season.

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{Ed007's Note - Well you obviously think wrong but I must say well done, spoken like a true customer Chris. You're a perfect example of Peter Lawwell's dream target audience, everything in the garden is rosy, NL is doing a great job, you even have the popular small club mentality and are a staunch supporter of anything printed in the Celtic View. Do you just clap respectfully and shout 'BRAVO & HURRAH! I SAY, JOLLY GOOD SHOW CHAPS' when we score? If you don't want to see us improve what's the point in even bothering?
No wonder the club is in the state it is with people like you spewing this horrible apologetic garbage all over the internet.
You're the type that listens to Radio Snyde's phone-in and believes everything that is on SSN as well.}

Chris02, look at the Ed polls, look at the empty seats, feel the lack of atmosphere match day, see our embarrassment on Euro nights. Look at the replacements for Wanyama and Hooper. Financially we are steady but I support Celtic Football teams not Celtic balance sheets. We qualified for Europe with 2 minutes remaining against a part-time pub team. Kara who!

Wake up please, you are being duped by the Celtic PR machine

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Not in anyway agreeing with Chris but 'duped by the Celtic PR machine'?

The crowd was down badly last season and we has Hooper and Wanyama, last 16 of the CL and we won the Scottish Cup. The attendance at the Morton game was so poor the attendance hasn't been published anywhere and that was only the start of the season before we knew anything about how the results would go.

Sorry BadBhoy but there's more to this than the PLC that's been in place for over 20yrs and Celtic PR machine. They may play a part, just think there's more to it.

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Yes we have the recession, some would use the loss of you know who, some would say lack of entertainment or individual talent on display etc, we all have differing opinions and we are all guilty of hearing what we want to hear.

let me give you 3 simple examples of the Celtic Pr machine. 1) we are told we do not need to sell players, we sell our best two, 2) we can spend £6m on a player, we buy LG, 3) we reduce season book tickets by £100, like going to a garage to buy a Ford Focus and being sold a Ford Fiesta, but it still has a Ford badge doesn't it?

the problem lies in that we the fans are too quiet, we look at the barca 2012 result, our Balance Sheet, the Mess from Tony Morbray etc, we are Celtic, we have a reputation and tradition to uphold, we are heading down a very slippery slope and someone better call halt soon

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Its been a total joke this season, yet there are some fans who think that because we won 3 in a row this season neil lennon is a hero. These fans seem to overlook fact that celtic only need to make appearance at league games to show face because it is a certainty we will be champions for a long time to come.

I have to be honest though, the deflection tactics initiated to draw attention away from unacceptable cup performances was magnificent! Who gives a flying f*ck about clean sheet records! You don't win prizes for breaking record and NO they do not justify cost of a season ticket lawell!

I am at the stage now where I am of the opinion if next manager appointed is not on par with our clubs stature and ambitions, then lawell must go. I have a suspicion our next manager will be owen coyle which is worse than lennon

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DN30, I have a sneaky feeling it will be Jackie Mac!. The board does not match most fans modest ambitions.

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Right there DN is your fans PR

'These fans seem to overlook fact that celtic only need to make appearance at league games to show face because it is a certainty we will be champions for a long time to come'

BadBhoy says there's a recession - seems to only affect Celtic fans this recession. There was a queue 2 mile long for Juve tickets costing over £50/60 but a ticket half that price is unaffordable? Armageddon - most other football grounds are reporting an increase in attendance except us.

Lack of competition isn't an issue but the League is an odds on certainty - which is it?

I know there's a lack of competition and am not scared to admit it, for me the way Celtic have let this affect them bothers me.

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A few times I've seen Chris02 talking about Lennon's European "success" now. I'd hardly call 15 wins, 6 draws and 15 defeats a success?! Last season was where we should be for a club of our size + stature with the finances available to us. I'm not buying this punching above our weight malarkey! Domestically under Lennon has been a failure as well - 3 Scottish league titles out a possible 4 + 2 out of a possible 7 cups, so 5/11 domestic trophies with nobody who can rival our finances or playing squad?!

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Yes Mrs E, Recession, limited resources, people might spend £60 to see Juve but then they don't have the 3 by £20 to see the next few domestic games. In scotland we are the dearest team to support. We have the dearest season book and some clubs even up the price of away tickets when we come to town.

I said here before that the kids of some Celtic Supporters go hungry around the time of season book renewal.

You tell us the answer so please.

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'I said here before that the kids of some Celtic Supporters go hungry around the time of season book renewal' - what information are you basing this on BadBhoy?

I don't have the answer and I said on here before you would have to ask every Celtic Supporter (over 60,000 folk) the reason before making assumptions.

I don't rate this season at all, it's been miserable but I'd still sack Tony Mowbray and have Neil Lennon all over again. I don't really see this comparison or argument.

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It's based on fact, I witnessed it myself to my own horror and disgust. There is abject poverty in parts of Glasgow, parents still find money to drink, socialise, go to Celtic and Rangers and PT games etc. Take your head out of your arse and make enquiries of local charities or schools, they will tell you the true horror story. Mind this is not just a Celtic or Glasgow problem. I believe it is widespread.

I never compared Mowbray and Lennon. Me too I would prefer NL anyday of the week. But he is not good enough to manage our club. He is a "Rookie Manager", who isn't learning a lot if anything.

There is a certain amount of apathy amongst Celtic fans which is fuelled by the boards penny pinching and lack of ambition.

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Take my head out of where?

Your exact statement was:

'I said here before that the kids of some CELTIC Supporters go hungry around the time of season book renewal'

This is not about poverty, this is you saying Season ticket holders at Celtic are starving their kids to pay for a ticket. You have witnessed it, fair enough then. It must be folk you know and a choice they have made - for whatever God forsaken reason.

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Yes I have witnessed it on more than one occasion and I live in Ireland! If you don't believe me then that's your choice but if you want proof then I suggest you volunteer for charity work. It might surprise you but for some people Celtic is their fix. Some people can't spell priorities never mind act on them.

I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has witnessed this.Since 1982 my family has put up disadvantaged kids for a free holiday and the stories told would make you cry.

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