Celtic Banter Archive December 14 2015

 

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14 Dec 2015 19:06:53
Following the skol cup posts I remembered a pub question about that game. 6 people involved had surnames that were professions /trades/callings/jobs related . who were they?

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14 Dec 2015 19:24:48
Shepherd, Cooper, Archdeacon? , Butcher guessing mate without looking it up (y) can't think the other two?

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14 Dec 2015 19:31:36
Butcher. Cooper. Shephard. Archdeacon. that's all iv got lol.

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14 Dec 2015 19:48:07
Remember the out come and furore of game to get a trick one and the other is a misspelling of the trade he's also a çeltic player.

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14 Dec 2015 19:49:14
Don't like getting beat me lol

Must be McGhee's the bakers and Munro the cleaners pmsl

Need Ed to fill in the other two a gie up :-s.

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{Ed007's Note - I've not got a clue without looking it up either.....

14 Dec 2015 21:04:31
Vardy another one got away from us . wouldve been a gamble from the level he was at mind you. anyway skol cup. packie BONER and the referee. he was a mason. first read of post memory vague
. watched you tube highlights and the whole day floods back into memory. another period we had the Base of a great team but never strengthened.

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15 Dec 2015 01:05:12
As soon as it became apparent that our board was interested in him, our fans would have revolted and said they deserved better.

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15 Dec 2015 01:19:14
Miller.

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15 Dec 2015 20:43:56
Stuart Slater?

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14 Dec 2015 17:48:01
From now to the end of the season is the most important time for us to get our Champions League preparation right . I am not particularly worried about the January Transfer Window, as far as I can see between an inability or reluctance to pay the money needed. Or through the targeted player not wanting to come to Scotland, I cannot see us making massive C L altering changes .
To me it's an opportunity for the players to be improved off the field, basically one game a week and on the field . Us supporters can encourage better performance . Even Cliftci looked to be a better player after he scored from close -in.
We can support and encourage our players from now until May and hope they get their first ndividual and team confidence to an all time high . unlike last summer nearly all our friends players have the summer off, so Deila will be able to bring them all back together .
Remember let us do our job best.

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14 Dec 2015 16:08:09
ED, hunker down.

Once everyone sees the Ludogorets/Levski Sofia news, it's going to reopen our own particular can of worms! ;)

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{Ed007's Note - Those pesky Bulgarian Masonic (swear)!!

14 Dec 2015 16:40:15
i vaguely remember being at Ibrox when Davie Hay was the manager and the Celtic team almost walked off after a very controversial goal was scored by rangers?
I may be wrong as it was a while ago, but I think play was allowed to continue after an obvious infringement and Celtic had stopped 'playing' and they ran up the park and put the ball in the net unchallenged.
Maybe someone with a better memory can fill in the blanks
and did we not sing 'Who's the Bulgarian in the black'? Ha.

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{Ed007's Note - I've never heard of that, Jim, it would be good if someone can recall it.}

14 Dec 2015 17:41:26
It was a league cup final 83/84 i think hay was on the park gesturing for playres to come off I'm a bit vague (too much eldo) what actally happened but re. ember vividly it happening at ibrox when the players walked towards the tunnel but ig jock managed to calm it down push them back on park. celtic looked like we had a pen officials looked at each other big Greg then started a run up the park and they scored 76/ 77 season or 77/78.

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14 Dec 2015 17:45:56
JJ2 was it not after the Hampden game where Syme sent off T Shepard?

Aitken and Butcher were manhandling each other via a corner did he not give a penalty when there it was a case of who was the culprit? Durrant stepped up and took it (one of my first OF memories) but the bedlam was about the wrong card issued which he changed in game Davie Hay threatened to take us and go and play in England and ended up at the SFA in multi charges

Hope that helps Ed accept I might be wrong hazy recollections it was the first time a felt physically sick about a wrong decision lol just as well a developed a strong stomach (y)

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{Ed007's Note - The 1986 League Cup final it was Shepherd was sent off, I used to still see Tony quite regularly but haven't seen too much of him since my dad died. He's a fireman in Glasgow somewhere now, it might even be the Parkhead area.}

14 Dec 2015 17:56:39
Didn't hay call for us too apply to the English league after that game? ? Nose is itching now going on a google/you tube search.

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14 Dec 2015 18:20:11
Yes it was 2-1 to them. i'm sure Judas got sent off and blessed himself on the way down the tunnel. I think it was mcclair that scored our goal.

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14 Dec 2015 18:20:52
Jamie bhoy . you must've been sober . I'd forgot about the skol cup. Just watched it on you tube was actually a good watch despite the result /controversy team was Bonar. . grant aitken hyte mcleod (Def) mcl air mcstay she par. (mid) mcghee mcnally mo johnstone (fwd) . also didn't Johnstone get sent off again for blessing himself as he left the park?

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14 Dec 2015 18:33:36
Aye, DRB, was at that game. It finished 3-1 to rangers. I think the ref was either Davidson or Wharton, defo a Bulgarian.

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14 Dec 2015 18:46:34
LOL deep river bhoy a googled it too pal you gave me the idea (y)

Canny believe that nearly thirty year ago!

Still never a pen pmsl, Davie Hay going mental . police speaking to him in the old style dugouts and fat sally lynched Whyte before Judas sending aff ffs! had forgot about that ATVB JN7 (Y)

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14 Dec 2015 18:33:36
Aye, DRB, was at that game. It finished 3-1 to rangers. I think the ref was either Davidson or Wharton, defo a Bulgarian.

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14 Dec 2015 18:46:34
LOL deep river bhoy a googled it too pal you gave me the idea (y)

Canny believe that nearly thirty year ago!

Still never a pen pmsl, Davie Hay going mental . police speaking to him in the old style dugouts and fat sally lynched Whyte before Judas sending aff ffs! had forgot about that ATVB JN7 (Y)

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14 Dec 2015 18:28:23
Aye that's it Ed, was it Mo Johnston that should have seen Red and changed it then he blessed himself and caused more Bedlam lol

Like deep river bhoy all flooding back, Shepherd was not long if a remember now I am going to open a can of worms pmsl

Valentine / Syme the Hope bros who was the worst crikey now the refs are just fkin useless pmsl but that lot were pure murder a remember ( a think! ) one of the Hope brothers in one of his last games (if not his last! ) gave Rangers a penalty in a cup final one of the softest I have sever seen in that era but the Dons still won on pens a think!

A knew Shepherd was a fireman (your even right there lol) my cousin worked with him in Easterhouse mate he is a gaffer / shift or watch commander, tidy player was always number 12 in the days of two subs never got much game time all my teenage years mate (y)

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{Ed007's Note - He never really got a chance with guys like McStay and TB in the side.}

15 Dec 2015 09:23:55
Cheers for all the feedback and comments guys. I think because I saw so many controversial games and not-so honest mistakes back in the day I get confused ha ha.
Playing them certainly brought out the Bulgarian in many.

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14 Dec 2015 16:01:02
Saw an earlier post regarding the Tom hardy film legend it's now on play box hd for iOS not sure what the android equivalent is.

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14 Dec 2015 13:26:53
I remember at the end of last season being full of hope and excitement after seeing the RD style of play starting to take form and being a hand's width away from a potential treble. Then summer came and went, one of the worst windows I can ever remember, and the CL qualification horror show repeated itself. The EL group isn't even worth covering. Now we're coming up to January and I'm reading names like Libor Kozak and Michael O'Halloran as potential targets? I'm starting to despair and actually become quite angry at the complete dross the club have spent/or are rumoured to be willing to spend OUR money on!

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14 Dec 2015 16:46:04
Kev Your money is spent in the way the Celtic Board thinks is best . When you buy your season ticket money there are no tic boxes as to how you want the Board to spend your money or other supporters money We trust the Board and that is only but right . The biggest problem may be within your self Kevbhoy, as it seems you are getting annoyed about the ability of people who are linked to us by mere rumours . I watched yesterday's game and I thought most of the Celtic players played well. I also thought Michael O'Halloran was the stand out best player on the St Johnston's side . I don't know if Celtic signs him will he come on leaps and bounds at the bigger club with better training facilities or whether he find been a Celtic player too much too handle.

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14 Dec 2015 17:09:36
He's 24 and he's scored less than 20 career goals Old Bhoy, give yourself a shake. I don't have a problem, I can assure you. I've witnessed the club buying guys like Hooper, Wanyama, Ki and Van Dijk in recent years only to sell them for huge profits and fail to reinvest the money on suitable replacements. If you're happy with that then good for you but as a life long supporter I want to see some ambition from my club.

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14 Dec 2015 17:17:23
If O'Halloran had scored a couple, we would all have been saying 'how easy it is to slice through the Celtic defence', maybe the only difference between Celtics form in Europe and domestically, is that the European strikers are sharper and take their chances, while the SPL strikers miss theirs, has'nt O'Halloran been at Celtic already, so he would know all about it, might be worth a punt if they ofload some of the others, because he is a good player.

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14 Dec 2015 18:02:35
I have no idea if Halloran will make it good if he comes to Celtic but been 24 hardly makes him to old to play for Celtic . If he played for some obscure foreign and someone posted a clip from U tube some would be salivating . I, too am a life long supporter and an old age pensioner .
The fact that the players you listed ALL insisted in leaving us, we were not good enough does make it easy for the Board to replace by the suitable standard, which in my mind would be the same standard . So it's not a matter whether we like it or not.

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14 Dec 2015 18:26:27
Oldbhoy Kev was referring to the fact O'halloran is 24 and he's only scored 20 career goals not the fact that he's too old.

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14 Dec 2015 19:55:28
I take it you don't want Champions League football then aindoh? Or even Europa League after Christmas? If you'd be alright with our club signing a guy who's scored roughly 1 in 6 at Scottish Premiership level then you've lost the plot completely.

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14 Dec 2015 21:05:37
I don't think I'd want him as the main striker, but he is very fast, and in certain games, would be perfect playing on the break alongside Griffiths, you have to be able to see the potential, Kevbhoy, don't look at the statistics, try and imagine what he'd be like in a different team playing with someone who could match his speed o foot with speed of thought.

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14 Dec 2015 21:06:34
i thought the guy O'halloran looked good when moved wide he has good control and pace well from what i saw from him yesterday anyway.

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14 Dec 2015 21:10:55
We have over the last five years or so signed a hell of a lot of players from all over Europe and the most of them seemed to be better partying off the pitch rather than scoring on the pitch . signing locally based players may help us to do better in Europe, I don't know how anyone can think that a 24 year old can't step up and perform better if given better opportunities and conditions .
24 year old have come to Celtic and played well before, O'Halloran may or may not be one such player, Celtic like other clubs spend big money using experts to run the rule over prospects like O'Halloran .

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14 Dec 2015 22:01:40
I would take O'Halloran not as a striker but he could be an an asset with his pace. We don't have much in our side. Thought he stood out for them yesterday. One I would definitely take on is Hayes from Aberdeen. Quick. Has a brilliant cross on him and he works like hell. He was the player who looked most dangerous against Hearts. The tanned one would prob never sell to us but I think Hayes would want to come. Any of they two would add pace. Get rid of stokes, Blackett, derk etc to fund these.

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15 Dec 2015 11:14:18
I'm not denying O'Halloran is a decent player, but as a club who are trying to improve what we already have and go as far as we can in Europe, I think we should be setting our sights a bit higher. I don't want to make this a debate about this particular player, he was merely a representation of my point that our club seems to lack any ambition in the transfer window at times. As Old Bhoy rightly pointed out, these are only rumours atm but they're altogether uninspiring.

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15 Dec 2015 19:05:11
Kevbhoy what do mean set our sights higher .
Is that we deserve better syndrome taking over .
Leicester City signed their two leading attackers at rather advanced age and really for very little money Vardey £1 m I think and his partner at aged 23 approximately £300k Do Leicester City deserve better?

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16 Dec 2015 11:25:47
Old Bhoy they signed Vardy after he reattled about 30 goals in a season, O'Halloran hasn't managed that in his entire career. I don't know why you keep making out that I said he was too old. If you could read you would know that I mentioned his age to show how poor his goals per season ratio is. You're nothing but a wind up merchant. Why on earth would any Celtic fan be happy if the club were to target a striker who realistically isn't even as good as Rooney, McGinn, Hayes or Juanma who are all in the same league.

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14 Dec 2015 12:04:05
We all want a more exciting product on the park. In football most excitement comes when either a) a goal is scored b) players/managers play handbags c) iffy/contentious decisions d) we witness some downright good skills/tricks/play and a few more I can’t be bothered listing. But I would say those are some of the main ones.

In Scotland we have a terrible product on the pitch at times (in fact more often than not) Usually we have low scoring encounters between teams that are playing to not lose instead of playing to win (there are few exceptions to this rule and multiple reasons why I understand the need to play this way) . This mentality of playing to not lose quite often is one reason why I feel our teams fail in Europe so regularly but this isn’t the point I intended to make (I do like tangents) .

One thing that has increased the spectacle in Rugby is the bonus point system. I see no reason why this cannot be introduced to Football too. Could argue the cut off but I would say 3 goals is a fair cut-off for earning one, win lose or draw.

In my humble opinion this would encourage a more attacking style of play to develop in Scotland putting the onus back onto the technical ability required to achieve the bonus point on a more regular basis. It could lead to more open free flowing games and ultimately entertainment for the punters which is what we want when we go to a game. Too often I am left feeling shorthanded entertainment wise when going to games in Scotland.

This said it could also have the opposite effect in certain situations. E. g. a team is 2-0 down at halftime against their closest rivals in the league, do they open up more to try and get back into the game? Running the risk of it not working and their opponents opening up 4 points in one game? Then revert to park the bus? I think that’s a risk we should take as it would have probably have been a decent first half with both teams going at each other and at least 1 team would be continuing to press for the extra goal instead of them playing out the 2nd half and taking what they have. This is just one possible scenario and there could be many more negative ones but even then I’m not so sure it’s any different to what we have now.

I feel it would open up more possibilities overall and encourage a more progressive style of football in more teams than what we see at present. Also think it could see more entertaining battIes up and down the league and possibly allow more teams to possibly maintain title challenges longer. I do however doubt it would change much for us at Celtic as teams would still be coming to play us to not lose more often than not.

Still think it’s something that could be made to work. They have offered the bonus points in the League cup why not shake up the league a bit too without the rushed through reconstructions etc they will end up doing. Wouldn’t be hard to try it out!

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14 Dec 2015 12:59:55
Some good ideas there evinguu. I would welcome something like the bonus point system. It defos would encourage attacking football.

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15 Dec 2015 17:03:32
Suggested this 20 years ago and still think it would work- 3 pts for a win, 1pt for a score draw and nothing for a no score draw. Everybody would know they need a goal to earn anything before a ball is kicked and for the odd great game that ends scoreless, that's just tough. It's not a drastic change but enough to bring teams out.

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