Celtic Banter Archive July 13 2012

13 Jul 2012 22:58:06
Sevco 5088 Competitive Season


These are the ties newco will play if Stranraer are promoted and they take their place in D3(assuming they go all the way in the cups).

Some cracking games ahead for Sevco 5088!

BigRab {Ed007's Note - Rab mate sorry, we are not allowed to publish complete fixture lists like that, they are actually copyrighted.}

Can we fill in the blanks with the following teams?
Annan Athletic
Berwick R*ngers
Clyde
East Stirlingshire
Elgin City
Montrose
Peterhead
Queens Park
Stirling Albion

We OK to say this Ed?

BigRab

13 Jul 2012 22:47:52
I am at a complete loss at to why Rangers fan keep comparing their current situation to Celtic.

Celtic have never been liquidated or in administation. Where is the comparison ?

Why do they not use Airdrieonians as an example ? They were liquidated in 2002

Answers welcome ~ Mrs E

They're desperate Mrs E, in denial, and wanting to lash out.

Why do you think the meeting wasn't yesterday ;-)

K-Dot.

It's just typical of them,clutching at straws and non acceptance of the fact that they hide
behind the "football"banner as a cover for their true goal in life, hating us.maybe three years or more in the wilderness will weed out the bigots....aye right

Green Judge

13 Jul 2012 21:54:23
saw my first game 1965 cup final 3-2 against dunfermline , got tickets to take my son to his first game today against INTER MILAN, for guys of my era FRIDAY THE 13TH just dont get any sweeter

13 Jul 2012 21:31:52
as in sallys words i cant say i am not enjoying what is happening to them , but as a english celtic fan i will up my games with my 2 bhoys to 10 home games or more if the money goes well ,thats the end of this as far as im concerned with them time to get behind lenny and show the world that we are the biggest and best supported team on the planit hail hail

Have you heard of Manchester United
friend ?..supposedly have a large fan base .

Hope this helps!

LUVGERSxxxxxxx

This is jodrok why dont ya try asking the next person with a man utd ,barca ,man c, real or all the other wana bees ,how much they know about them then ask the next tim about some history or present then your post will be answered ,its more than wearing a top its family

13 Jul 2012 20:50:38
Redundant Football Club 2 different clubs 0 sponsors 1 bitter manager 2 supporters,RFC 2012 ,how do they pay the running costs? bri67

13 Jul 2012 20:22:22
Well the propaganda machine gets rolled out again.
The deluded ones continue to cling on to the hope that all will be well without RFC.
Notice not one of the soothsayers on here have mentioned the press release by Inverness Caely Chairman Kenny Cameron.
I wonder why?
Could it possibly be anything to do with what life will really be like at the sharp end?
It's gone very quiet over Parkhead way too. I wonder what Mr Lawell and co are saying and doing behind closed doors?
We'll suck it up because we have to. We done wrong and this our fate. However i wonder if the rest of you will be able to suck up the consequences too?
Just an observation.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - 'It has all went quiet over Parkhead way'.. when has it not been quiet? Why should PL make any uncalled for comment, he hasn't so far and has maintained the club's dignity throughout the whole Rangers shambles, while Rangers fans whipped themselves into a frenzy accusing him of all sorts. Wasn't he supposed to vote yes to Rangers getting back in the SPL, and then Rangers fans decided it was him pulling the strings at the SPL. Remember what I said a few weeks back POB,

'Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.'

P.O.B aka the T.I.M. this is for you...

Ally Bally, Ally Bally Bee
Sitting on wee Greeno's Knee
Crying for some more Bawbees
Tae buy some players for Sandy

Timalloy Celtic Fan Europe Bound
POB Sevco Fan Peterhead Bound

Agree 100% Ed, Celtic FC have done the correct and proper thing here. We have seen a fellow club (albeit R*ngers) get in to serious difficulty,and we have no desire as a club to stick the knife in, after all business is business at board room level. Let's just leave it up to the supporters who support THEIR clubs, to debate the wrongs and rights of what has happened during this whole situation. That is, after all, what keeps the interesting debate on footie forums going. Football is NOTHING without the fans!

BigRab

Depends who you deem the enemy to be Ed.
The inhabitants of the "Big Hoose" are hardly a threat to him at present.
I was talking more about the overall situation movng forward.
The ineptness shown by Regan and Doncaster, league reconstruction etc.
He's not said anything regarding sponsorship,investment,TV contracts,
even in a positive light that could douse a few smouldering fires.
Like i said in above post, ICT are at the sharp end. Motherwell have voiced concerns, as have Kilmarnock.
Apparently Alex Thomson is tweeting that Regan told him today that this is not finished yet ffs. Something to do with SFA refusing to transfer RFC's share to SFL clubs. If true where does this leave the SPL?
Or...maybe nothing will change. Is Regan's plan to retain Dunfermline in SPL and carry on regardless?

P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - Why should PL come out and comment on all the things you are saying? You said it had all went quiet, it has always been quiet and will remain so until there is something to say. When has PL came out and spoke about sponsorships, TV deals etc unless it effects CFC. Everyone is saying it could cost CFC sponsorships but nobody is saying it could earn them more, there is only one team in Scotland that is going to get ALL the coverage rather than halving it with Rangers, for every action there is a positive and negative reaction.}

POB..is this the same ICT that voted NO to having the NewCo Rangers in the SPL but was happy for the SFL to be blackmailed ? What is it you want Celtic to say ?

Kenny Cameron has said 'no club will escape the financial fallout' that includes the club you support. How much investment do you think you'll get in Div 3 ? If you'll be back bigger & stonger then the club you support need Scottish football alive and well to prive this point. It works both ways ! Mrs E

Well said Ed, a lot of people fail to realise that potential sponsors WITHOUT the OF baggage could be huge, we will be free to negotiate purely on our terms, and the sponsors don't have to worry about upsetting the other half. i'd be willing to bet that there are a multitude of companies out their who rate the Celtic brand very highly, but don't want the association of the old firm.
now that the shackles are off, we can expect to see massive firms, especially of the asian origin, vying to get their name on the famous hoops


taco

If there is one club in Scotland with a more uncertain financial future than any other it is Sevco.

And as you say Ed, why on earth should Peter Lawwell make any comment.

The next few weeks will bring some further delightful entertainment from Sevco, amongst which will be infighting on a level we have not yet seen.

And the stripping of titles will be a joyous event to look forward to.

My money is on another takeover or an insolvency event if Green decides to stay put.

Yes, Sevco have more to worry about that any other club.

K-Dot.

Well at the very least i would have thought he had concerns over the way the game is being run?
Everyone from every walk of life from professionals,club chairmen,yourself and regular posters on here are of the opinion that Regan,Ogilvie,Doncaster etc are
totally inept.
This has nothing at all to do with your analogy of "Interrupting your enemy when making a mistake"
Unless you deem the authorities to be the enemy.Or PL has some plan up his sleeve that does not involve being part of the SFA setup.
I'm not saying he is duty bound to make a statement,but i'll bet a lot of CFC fans
would want him to come out and allay a few of their fears. I for one if the shoe was on the other foot at the very least would be looking for some sort of reassurance from my club.
Is this notion that fanciful?
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I honestly don't know what you expect him to say POB and why? As for my quote about enemies mistakes, how many have Rangers made, how many 'assurances' were the fans told, how many false dawns did Rangers fans have, why is 'Bomber' not on the steps of Ibrox with his clawhammer? I think Rangers made enough mistakes without any help or comment from PL. I don't know what fears of the CFC fans you are talking about, what is there to fear? It seems it is Rangers/Sevco fans that are assuming CFC fans are in a panic over this, I can truly assure you mate, they aren't. The game will go on no matter what. And before you come back with the TV money argument, you know my attitude, f**k them, get back to basics producing good quality players. CFC might run away with the league but there is a wide open berth to become the 2nd team in Scotland, I am sure Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd etc might just fancy going for that and the power that can come with it.}

Not sure if i'm getting your point Mrs E.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
You seem to be suggesting that i'm jumping on the bandwagon of the mindless morons who want the other clubs and ultimately our game overall to suffer as some sort of payback.
My mindset is the complete opposite.
Firstly i want my club to regroup and make thir way back,of course for that to happen we need scottish football to thrive.The concern is that it wont.
There appears to be a belief that because RFC are away on a wee vacation from the SPL that everything in the garden will be rosy.
Who is standing up for that belief?
All i'm reading and hearing from other chairmen is a fear that their clubs could go to the wall.
This is not scaremongering or bullying
by the SFA,SPL,this is football chairmen who know better than anyone how their clubs will be affected.
What would you like Celtic to say Mrs E?
I would have thought their was a case to be made for reassurance at the very least.
P.O.B.

Out of all the Scottish clubs in this saga, Celtic are likely to be the least affected POB. You are the one who had clutched onto the statement of ICT why ?

Clyde made a statement last week, what did you think of that ? Mrs E

In all honesty Ed i think you are being a bit defensive on this.
How long to the season starts? Have Celtic not got CL qualifiers? Where are the new signings? You may well have a young team who will grow in stature in the future,and will run away with the SPL,but what about CL?
Or is it the case that i'm over complicating things because CFC fans are happy enough to win everything devoid of competition?
It get's boring after a while believe me.
But maybe that's just me being upfront.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I'm not being defensive at all POB, we don't need to rush into signings and negotiations are ongoing. You are very concerned with CFC's dealings, are you sure you don't want to 'jump the wall' mate? Maybe you should be more concerned about Sevco's transfers dealings and licence application before the Ramsden Cup starts? How many are in Sevco's squad again?}

Ed - at the very beginning of all the Oldco shenannigans, Peter Lawwell stated that Celtic were not dependant on Rangers. There is nothing further to say.

TV revenues are only 2% of turnover.

Earlier this week we had sold 47,000 season tickets. Sevco have sold 250 (p1shing myself laughing now).

You make the excellent point Ed, that we are now likley to attract more sponsorship.

The bottom line is that Scottish football cannot be dependant on one or two clubs. It needs to adjust, and that is what the ICT board will be dealing with. Nothing more.

You know what, in the long run it will make Scottish football far stronger.

I think the real fear of Sevco supporters is that we all get stronger in their absence and move forward to a positive future - without them.

They're scared they are going to stagnate over the next 3 years and get left behind and will never be a force in the future.

All the financial fears they talk about are going to affect one team far, far more than any other - themselves.

They are now waking upto this and are scared, very scared.

Huge overheads and a crap squad with no credible business plan or investment. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. How are you going to surive Sevco never mind getting to the SPL.

K-Dot. {Ed007's Note - For months we have had to listen that we were infatuated with Rangers K-Dot, now the Rangers fans are more worried about CFC's finances and transfer dealings than their own, we knew we had nothing to worry about on that score. But it was all a 'Timmy conspiracy', anyone know how that worked out?}

Lawell just doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag. Is he to blame for Sevco's problems...absolutely not. Is he sitting back taking advantage of their problem...absolutely. Clearly, Celtic see themselves in a position to financially gain over the demise of Rangers and that in itself is fair enough. What upsets me is the fact that he wants to see us dead and buried.... I just can't respect someone who feels that way and I resent his hatered for Rangers/Sevco suopporters. VHSS

K-Dot.
Regardng your first point,PL did state what you say,however a few weeks ago NL said the opposite. So who are we to believe?
I'm not having a go merely asking the question.
T.V. revenue may well be only 2% of Celtic's income,but that 2% could equate out to around £1.2million to some of the others.That's a significant amount to the likes of ICT,Kilmarnock,Motherwell,St Mirren,and St Johnstone.
Regardless of the length of time it takes 1 year 4 years,these clubs will have to downsize considerably,if they manage to survive at all. Motherwell finished 3rd last year after a good season,30 points behind Celtic,and 11 points behind us despite the points reduction. Hearts have offloaded half their squad from last year. Dundee Utd hardly have a big support even at home.
So where is the challenge going to come from?
You make a fair point about Scottish football being too dependant on two clubs,but that's the way it has always been.
Scottish football will only get stronger if there is a more even distribution of finances throughout all the divisions.There are too many hangers on who rely on the money generated by the interest,and the fans of the big two.
Celtic are in a strong position right now,but they too will have to downsize,it's inevitable. So the question is are CFC fans going to accept winning everything at a canter,no investment in the team for CL? Let's see the reaction when the board start penny pinching,and your CL aspirations are lying in tatters.
There is no fear about Celtic being stronger,because we will have a chance to rebuild from scratch. Our overheads will be less than at present. If the fans stay with the club,we can stockpile the money for future use.Our aspirations and expectations will realisticaly have to be lower,will Celtic fans accept their clubs aspirations being lowered?
The fear is that by the time we make our way back the interest will have dropped along with the sponsorship,and investment in a product that is no better than the Irish or Welsh leagues.
I only want my club to survive. If theres nothing left to survive for,then what's the point?
P.O.B.

P.O.B - I just don't get this thing that for Scottish football to be succesfull we must have a strong Rangers.

My most enjoyable period of watching football was in the 1980s. Celtic, Aberdeen and Dundeed Utd shared the trophies, and Rangers were a poor, poor team.

And what happened, the legions that supported your team deserted in their thousands. And that was when you were playing in the top flight.

We do not need Rangers, simple as that.

We need to get back to a position where Scotish football is sustainable and clubs outiside Celtic and Rangers can go on to win the league.

What do you want, that we continue with the same business model that sees most clubs operating with debt. Have Rangers with £80m of debt any wining everything.

We now must embrace this wonderful opportunity and structure the game properly to see Scottish football grow stronger.

And if that measn cutting our cloth accordingly, including Celtic, then so be it. In a few years we will be far, far stronger for it.

I am all for a greater distribution of tv monies etc. and want to see all teams grow stronger.

Do you know what willl happen if we have a more competitive league with 4 or 5 teams capable of wining the title - we'll get more lucrative tv deals than the two horse race that currently exists. Having said that, teams must be capable of operating regardless of these deals.

The distribution of wealth from tv deals must be more evenly split for the good of all clubs.

The fact is that your team are the one that is in the most precarious financial position of any team.

Yes, Inverness may have to cut back. But you know what, they can identify very easily how much they need to cut back by, because they have a firm grasp on their business.

Newco don't have this. They have no decent squad, no buisness plan that we hav ebeen made aware off, no season ticket sales, no meaningful investment, sponsors running for the door, players about to be sold.

All this with the massive overheads, that grossly exceed any other club in Div 3.

And despite all the bravado, the fact is that attendances will fall dramatically. There is a history there that shows you that when Rangers don't have success the supporters desert their team in their thousands.

You need to be far more worried about the finances of your own team than that of any other.

K-Dot.

All fair points K-Dot.
Look it's not that they specifically need Rangers. I have said this before.
It is simply that they rely on the interest and merchandise generated by the supporters.
Rangers and Celtic simply have the fanbase that makes them more of a lucrative proposition to sponsors and investors.
It's just the way it is. I've already stated and agreed that our league should not be dependent on the big two but that's where we are and where we've always been.
If Rangers do struggle or fail then that will be down to the current generation of supporters. Nobody else.

Two points of interest.
Who should replace us in the SPL?
In my humble opinion it should be Dunfermline. The rules are that one team gets relegated and the winners of div1 gain promotion. Given that Rangers were "artificially" relegated then Dunfermline should stay in the SPL. Why are Dundee being considered?
Could it be anything to do with the Dundee derby?
If Dundee are chosen where does that sit with regard to the sporting integrity argument?
I have an interest in Scottish football.
I want my team to make it back eventually. I also want something worthwhile to come back to.

13 Jul 2012 20:08:59
SPL TV £10 a month, show games from the past, time slot dedicated to each SPL team get the latest news for them, anything else to fill the time slots

13 Jul 2012 19:22:02
a div 3 for me
a div 3 for me
if your no ah div3
yer nae use tae me
the premier is braw
n the div wan naw,
bit the bonny we
div 3's the pride ae thum aw.
happy pat hows you jedwurd? {Ed007's Note - I'm good wee man thanks.}

ED007/Pat one good thing about this is that all the rural communities will be more used to dealing with Ostriches...
lol Timalloy

13 Jul 2012 19:05:21
Hello ed and fellow hoops just want a we but of clarification having a debate with a mate < haha that ryhmes lol he said these exact words rangers will never die charles green bought the history and everything else so still most successful team in the world and will have te challenge cup and other division to add to our long list of trophies ? How can they possibly start in 3rd with all they tainted trophies still as history as far as I'm aware I was gonna purchase sevco first match programme and look at back saying sevco honours 0 born 2012 haha clear this up once and for all ?

Chrissybhoy {Ed007's Note - It's been covered Chris, Rangers history will always be there, but that is all it is history. The next trophy Zombie Rangers win will be the club's first.}

Doesn't make sense what you say they keep their history and trophy cabinet yet te next trophy they win will be their first what about all the one in their history and trophy cabinet and also does tht mean they keep te badge and stars ? {Ed007's Note - What doesn't make sense? Where did I say Rangers keep their history, they actually do but there is no longer any Rangers to add to it. You can't take away or change history (unless titles are stripped in future). But the history can not be added to, as the club will be liquidated and no longer exist. Third Lanark still won the Scottish Cup in 1905 didn't they?}

What about leeds utd have they lost there history {Ed007's Note - Leeds were never liquidated.}

13 Jul 2012 18:52:32
why do we keep hearing this 'we've been punished enough' nonsense from the dead club?

newco are a newco, and as such, have no rights whatsoever to be in ANY league, they should be grateful that they were voted in, in the first place! but if i were one of the highland league teams trying to get into the sfl i'd be seeking legal action.

i also wonder if these league reconstruction plans will still be on the table now that sevco have been dealt with appropriately? methinks that it will take a LOT longer than the 2 weeks that it would have taken if sevco were cosied into the 1st division. reagan and doncaster should resign immediately after their shameful bullying and scare tactics, thank god 25 teams saw right through the lies and deceit

in the end, justice and sporting integrity has won the day.....now we just need to await the dual contracts and big tax case verdicts:)


taco

13 Jul 2012 18:45:20
Listening to Gordon Smith on SSB.I find it very scary that this guy was an executive in the SFA.To claim that Celtic should have been put into division three when Fergus took over,as the scenario is the same as the rangers one,is utterly ridiculous.He is also flying the flag for the "history of rangers is current" nonsense.How does this guy get airtime?...........green jhedi

The clown is a bigot and God knows what nonsense he got up to in his SFA guise.
He is part of a sect of brown-mouthed, delusional morons in total denial.
Ex-players and current manager included.

JJ

Sorry GJ but he never said anything of the kind. He was trying to mount an argument about the loss or keeping of history and compared Rangers' plight to Celtic's in 1994. Whilst he was technically incorrect, if you KNOW YOUR HISTORY, you will know that the previous Celtic board made NO ATTEMPT to meet thet Taylor Report mandatory criteria for all-seter stadia to be in place for 1 August 1998, when ALL the other clubs did. NOW THAT's CHEATING AS WELL so it's time to get off the sanctamonius saddle and realise just how lucky you lot were!! PS - you also had debts of £ 38 Million and a turnover of only £ 6.5 million at the beginning of the nineties and were technically insolvent - but got away Scot-free. (PS - no doubt your even-handed editor will fail to post this as he usually blanks this argument) {Ed007's Note - The final phase of the construction work on CP was completed in the summer of 1998. Can you post a link to any SFA/UEFA statute that states non compliance of the Taylor Report would be classed as cheating, and while you are looking for that can you find out why CFC were 'technically insolvent' or even what that means, a company is either solvent or insolvent. The reason the argument is blanked is because it has been covered to death maybe you should try RTFP before dragging up the same boring $hit over and over again, when you yourself know it has been proven wrong time and time again.}

Ed - my mistake - the Taylor Report called for all seater stadia by August 1994 and not 1998. Glad you confirmed the seated stadium was completed FOUR Years too late for the deadline though - I'm sure your posters will be pleased that you proved me wrong - NOT! Cheating is cheating, liquidation or avoiding liquidation. Thanks for posting my point anyway :) {Ed007's Note - Cheating is cheating? Is that your explanation? Well I suppose an ex-Rangers fan would know better than most.}

Celtic played their homes games on season 1994/95. Why is the Taylor report and Hillsborough disaster being used as a comparison now ? Mrs E

This is supposed to say..played their home games at Hampden season 1994/95 Mrs E

Mrs E - the point of the Taylor Report has been raised on occasion merely to highlight that so-called 'sporting integrity' has also been compromised by Celtiv in the past. I'm not saying that Rangers' situation should be compared with Celtic's take over as, unlike others, I do actually recognise that Celtic were neither liquidated or put into administration - however that doesn't mean they 'dodged a bullet' so to speak. The response from your Ed speaks volumes - not once has he ever acknowledged that Celtic's failure to comply with the Taylor Report by the mandatory date (when all other teams did) was flouting the rules but, perhaps, he prefers to avoid issues that are a bit close to home........... {Ed007's Note - You said it was cheating, and you couldn't even get the year correct. Just think though, for the length of time we spent playing at Hampden, Rangers went the same length of time this year not paying tax or N.I. not only is that cheating, that is illegal, that is why there is no Rangers any more, and we are still awaiting the outcome of the FTT, which if Rangers are found guilty of will be show them as the biggest cheats ever in any sport, another badge of honour to go with 120 years of open sectarianism, the shambles of Barcelona, the only team banned from defending a Euro cup not to mention the trouble in Manchester the 'Chelsea' fans caused over a broken TV. More people protested outside Ibrox when Mo Johnston signed for Rangers than when the club was dying, you must be bursting with pride.}

When did season 1994 start, was it after August ? This was the deadline for the changes to be made & Celtic never hid away from the sitution.

This has nothing to do with sporting intergrity and is awful that you can use the Hillsborough disaster in this way.

I would say to you this is more about sour grapes on your part that the financial problems at Celtic in 1994 were not hidden, they admitted to being not well placed when the Taylor Report came out and made some provisions. Seats in the jungle which broke at lot of hearts & most of the terracing was demolished..all before Aug 1994.

They did what they had to to and moved to Hampden.

What did Rangers do when they could not really afford the players they had ? Admit it or introduce dodgy tax schemes, alleged double contracts, not pay PAYE & N.I. and dear knows what else.

Incidently out of this came a Paradise that holds 10,000 more than Ibrox, thats a hellva lot of money over the years.

Mrs E

13 Jul 2012 17:52:18
Sevco supporters looking forward to their opening fixture in the Ramsdens Cup.

K-Dot.

Do they get salt and vinegar with that? Oh sorry thought it was the Harry Ramsden cup! Hail Hail

Cant wait for the west of Scotland derby 26th December, St Mirren. Hope its on sky!

13 Jul 2012 17:30:29
Tweets from Frankie Boyle:-

"Live in a Scottish town in the middle of nowhere? Book an A-level exam in Irish History because you're about to get a f**cking crashcourse."

"Rangers to Division 3. Every other Saturday one of Scotland's smaller towns will get to learn what life was like in the time of the Vikings."

K-Dot.

13 Jul 2012 17:27:23
We need to keep in focus that the newco should also face sanctions for taking SFA to court and also should be stripped of titles for financial doping since 1998. We need keep this on the agenda. Hail hail

Newco will face all sanctions due to the Oldco. Green has agreed this with SFA as condition of Oldco sfa membership being transfered to Newco.

K-Dot.

13 Jul 2012 16:39:22
all i have heard and read for weeks is mccoist /gough/ hately/goram etc
asking to be put into div 3. happy to oblige.
now let scottish fitba move on and see where we end up.
there was little money in the spl old rangers were playing anyway.
i think crowds will increase this season and would like neil lennon
to give our young players more game time

13 Jul 2012 16:06:36
Sly Spurts would like to apologise to all subscribers for wrongly advertising they could watch Rangers in 3D . They meant in D3........DH

By the end of August Rangers will be playing in England. FACT. Unfortunately, it will be against Berwick Rangers in D3.

Maybe we could rebuild Hadrians Wall that afternoon.

13 Jul 2012 15:46:29
If rangers are still rangers then why are they called sevco currently?

If they are saying we have done the same thing then why were we never known as Pacific shelf or any other name? Why didn't we have to reapply to join the league?

Fling this at the clowns and see what you get. Sometimes they say fair enough sometimes no response but mostly you will get timmy is in every corridor of power yada yada yada.

Then they think about it and it dawns and they're gutted all over again. I'll admit it- those of them lot that spout bile and hatred deserve every single cut of this death by a million cuts.

Tbh they really don't have much place in civilised society, they just bring the normal supporters down. I do feel sorry for the average ex bear, you know, the ones who you can speak to with respect because it comes back

Jamie Mac(come on CELTIC)

13 Jul 2012 15:13:55
I see the new football club that were lucky enough to be voted into the 3rd division don’t have the biggest stadium in that division either

Mrs E

Ha ha Mrs E, ooh you are naughty!!
But can I on behalf of Scottish football fans everywhere say this to sevco...
CHEERIO, CHEERIO, CHEERIO....
hail hail Timalloy

Well hopefully ours will be full Mrs E.
I really hope this is the end of this saga now,and we can all just get back to playing football.
It's up to the Rangers fans now to pull us back up by the breeches. If they don't then they will only have themselves to blame.
The saddest part for me in all of this is the loss of the old firm games.
There really was nothing like them.
The greatest derby in the world gone. Hopefully not for ever.
P.O.B.

POB, your own fans showed their "loyalty" when asked to contribute to your own fighting fund, they all ran away as fast as they could.
Your ground "full", you are having a Giraffe...
your ex club fans are all glory hunters, only interested in trying to act superior they will all melt away like snow off a dyke. So POB here is your chance to show your own "loyalty" buy your season ticket.. POB come back, come back...Timalloy

Tim.
You're obsession with RFC season tickets is fascinating. Do you work at Ibrox?
My season ticket will be purchased when the details are announced. Okay me old matey? Good of you to show some empathy and concern for my club though. Thanks,it's appreciated. If only more CFC fans were like you the world would be a much happier place!
C'mon the Gers.
P.O.B.

Timalloy, I may be wrong, but I think P.O.B. is a Celtic fan and you have mis-read his post! {Ed007's Note - POB isn't a CFC fan, but his grandchildren will be.}

Ha ha POB a Celtic fan, er I think the clue that got me was "c'mon the gers"
but he now has the opportunity of watching the hoops play in europe this season when Man Utd, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich come to Glasgow hail hail Timalloy
P.O.B. is now a T.I.M.

POB, your stadium wasn't full last season when the club could have been doing with it.

I don't know about the Celtic v Rangers thing, I can see a couple of square balls being in the Scottish & League Cup draws. Mrs E

Lol.
Not a chance Ed.
My girls are too streetwise to be wooed by your amorous advances.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - I wasn't meaning it that way, but if they are single send me their contact details, just don't tell Moneypenny, or Mrs E (I think she has a secret crush on me, something to do with some guy she met during the war).

13 Jul 2012 15:08:50
Newcos shirt sponsor? 3 network.how the mighty have fallen.on the same day we Play real madrid,they play peterhead,lol.artybhoy.

13 Jul 2012 14:56:25
BREAKING NEWS: Rangers will get their wish to play in England next season.......

2 away games to Berwick Rangers

Linnie88

13 Jul 2012 14:40:53
sfa and spl announce plans to restructure scottish football with immediate effect with a 42 team superleague,,,,deep river bhoy

13 Jul 2012 14:29:17
What does the situation with Rangers being in div3 mean for Scottish football? Regarding money, other clubs possibly going into administration, and other stuff in general.

I think it means most Rangers fans will now need a sat nav

Every single team apart from Sevco is now f***ed. Over the next few months, one by one they will begin to fold thus handing sevco automatic promotion through the leagues therefor leaving them the only surviving team in the SPL, handing Sevco and not Celtic, as everyone expected, the SPL title by xmas

Mikey Bhoy

They will not be playing this season though. a years suspension will be coming next.

13 Jul 2012 13:58:25
Ed I havent really commented on Sevco as I dont really care what happens to them but one thing does make me smile is the fact that IF and its a big IF, they do get into div one who says that the squad they have will be good enough to come straight back up because what I have seen from the squad they have is a few old timers and loads of kids. Division one is not an easy league to win.

Back to the Hoops, I'm glad to hear NL is giving Bangura another shot after turning down a reported bid last week. maybe he has that something different to Hooper, Stokes and sammy that sometimes we need.

CeltStu

13 Jul 2012 13:27:07
Hi ed, a question for you, i know all spl clubs want a 50-50 split in gate receipts, is this what all sfl clubs are looking for aswell so if for example sevco go to 3rd division will they have to split gate receipts because that would be a big boost to all the smaller clubs.

Robbhoy {Ed007's Note - They don't want that and it won't happen, it is actually not feasible if you think about it. Will Hearts be happy to give ICT, St Mirren or Motherwell half their gate money just to get half the gate money from 2 visits to CP per season.}

13 Jul 2012 11:18:15
November ' 11;"An expanded SPL will create a £20m loss"
July '12; " To avoid a £16m loss vote newco into div one and we will expand the SPL"
Two quotes from one man,Doncaster.Are we really expected to believe this man knows what he is talking about? Gordon Smith on the size of rangers"this is a club who have competed in four European finals" True Gordon,but that club has been liquidated,they are no more.This is about a club who are three WEEKS old.And this guy was high up in the SFA! Is it any wonder we were paranoid?..............green jhedi

A 3 week old company not club .... more to a club than just its financial side .....

13 Jul 2012 10:20:30
it does not matter a jot what the outcome of the newco fiasco is , where they end up , because at the end of the day, anything they win in the foreseeable future , will be just as TAINTED as everything they won in the last 15 years. for as long as honest clubs are struggling , using their income to pay off debts, {unlike them who walked away from theirs} newco like dead club will once again playing with an unfair advantage. so whether it be the 3rd, 2nd, 1st, spl or any cups . THEY WILL BE TAINTED .. shamrock

Well make up your mind ... either we are a newco that has no ties to the old co... ie history etc... therefore none of the last 15 yrs stuff you say applies as we are not tied to that club or we are still rangers and have all our history and so forth but titles from now and last 15 yrs as you put will be "tainted" .... which is it to be?

12 Jul 2012 23:04:12
Good evening 007
Casting all rivalries to the side for a moment(lol)
I was wondering whether you are shaken or stirred regarding the shenanigans involved with the iminent vote debacle.

On the one hand you have Doncaster and the SPL (rightly or wrongly) refusing transfer of share and therefore expelling us from the top tier. They then have the audacity to complain that they can't do without us (The fans marketing attraction)for more than one season.

The fact is they want/need us(the fans) for our financial contribution,it's nothing to do with bending over backwards for Rangers per say.
You then have the SFA and Regan saying that regardless of the SPL vote his SFA would have vetoed the result anyway,
had the SPL clubs chosen to keep us in the top flight.
Ironically it would appear that despite their protestations(no pun intended ) the SFL clubs are actually in a position of strength.
To me this amounts to no more than a high powered game of poker with my club being used as a sacrificial pawn.
The SFL have acquired a bargaining power they have not had available to them for years.
Given Regan and Doncaster's statements (Incompetence aside) the SFL chairmen now have the leverage to acquire an improved financial outcome for their respective clubs.
Forget sporting integrity(non existent IMO) this is all about everyone getting a bigger slice of the financial pie.
It will be interesting which way the SFL vote,if negative then let's see what SPL do. However probably more importantly,what Regan and the SFA do.
Regarding sporting integrity.. did you see the FIFA story today? lol.
Sort of put's everything in perspective as far as sporting integrity goes.
I really don't know what to think anymore.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - No bias from me POB, the people running our game are incompetent and not fit for purpose, I have said this long before any of Rangers problems. The fact that Campbell Ogilvie is still in a job stinks to high heavens, I have said this for over a year about him and warned everyone on here about him. I would let Rangers back into the SPL scot free if it meant exposing the SPL/SFA for their incompetence. One thing though, Rangers were never expelled from the top flight. Rangers went out of business and the newco were never SPL members. Why do Dundee not have a vote because of a conflict of interest yet Rangers had one regarding the newco's entry into the SPL, in your unbiased view why is that?}

Ed- excellent response and question. Let's see if it is answered.

Fair point Ed. However let's not forget the sham of the SPL club's vote was for the transfer of the oldco's share. Although vetoed the SFA were never going to sanction it anyway. If we are to believe Mr Regan.
Make's you wonder why it took place at all.
Campbell Olgilvie...This is a strange one for me,always has been. I remember him well from his spell at Ibrox.
He seemed to have built up a good reputation for himself and was highly regarded throughout the football fraternity at home and abroad.
I remember being slightly surprised when he left Ibrox and only two months later took up a similar role at Tynecastle.
After many years of service to RFC he is removed amid an alleged "boardroom reshuffle" Yet two months later takes up a higher position at Hearts. He then subsequently rockets up the SFA ladder.
If he's found out to be corrupt and untrustworthy,and given Mr Blatter's recent record at FIFA,why the hell do we even bother thinking about anything else other than spending our sheckles,
supporting our teams,and walking about with our eyes shut and our fingers in our ears?

There's more to today's vote than meets the eye.
If this were the Grand Naional,TRFC fell at the first fence,the horse and the jockey got back up and carried on after a change of trainer/owner,got to Beechers Brook then had to wait around as the course officials added an additional six feet and asked them to clear it,when everyone previous was allowed to jump through it.
Three ruling bodies all jockeying for position. The question is... who's on the best horse enterig the final straight?
Meanwhile, a full lap behind the rest of the field,and after all that effort and poor Mr C.Gee's ahem.."investment"
we find ourselves at the finish line awaiting a stewards inquiry and the result of a photo finish.. for finishing last!
Only time will tell if the weighted penalties were too much to bear.
P.O.B. {Ed007's Note - If it was the Grand National the tents would have been put round Rangers and with a loud blast they would have been put out of it's misery.}

The agree was for you bond, not him , i would disagree with p.o.b. about the colour of sh1te. shamrock

And as per usual no answer to your question ed!............green jhedi

Ed. Just realised i never answered your question regarding Dundee.
I don't make up the rules. But if you are suggesting Mr Olgilvie did on this one, then i couldn't really say one way or the other. I would assume that they have been in the statutes for a long time.

RFC/oldco/D&P prior to liquidation did hold an SPL share. Should this have barred them from a vote? Perhaps.
If so, why were Dumfermline allowed a vote?

Shamrock..I'd be delighted to discuss the colour of anything with you mate,
because you obviously need all the help and guidance you can get.
I'd be happy to assist in any way i can.
You only have to ask.
P.O.B.

A new Jockey and trainer at the grand national. that would be against the rules and you'd be disqualified. Yes quite an apt analogy.