Celtic Banter Archive September 12 2012

12 Sep 2012 20:22:23
I am sursprised nobody has mentioned the story today about an ex EPL referee being arrested for posting anti Catholic remarks on his facebook account.
Another follower of the television series about oil moguls which shares this
this other discredited referee's name. What about a proper investigation into our "honest mistakes" Scottish refs?
Neil T

Being arrested for anti-catholic remarks? Seriously? This is one Phuckeed up country we live in.

There's a very important point there regarding the dubious decisions taken by referees serving in the SPL. Normally wrongful decisions at key important games.
If players, managers and clubs have complaints against them, why can't officials have complaints investigated against them?
The SPL must ensure that the SFA referees are delivering a professional unbiased service and hence a league tournament with integrity.

SFL3 might look into it also after the striking off of that perfectly legal winning goal against Rangers recently. Truely criminal.

Hello to all fantastic celtic fans thanks for your support . ynwa red mick tag (liverpool fc supporter since 1957)

We have mentioned the tv series "Dallas"
the "Dynasty" remains as his son is a referee in div 3 trying his best to live up to his fathers "high" standards of impartiality?? Neil T

Mate we have all seen the picture of tiny wharton giving the rangers captain john grieg a masonic handshake , and we have all seen the honest mistakes on the park. we just cant prove it. but we all know it's true.. shamrock

12 Sep 2012 15:51:23
INDEPENDENT COMMISSION
PRELIMINARY HEARING

The Commission has considered all the preliminary issues raised in the list submitted by Newco and points raised in letters from solicitors acting for Newco and for Oldco. It has decided:

1.The Commission will proceed with its inquiry in the terms of the Notice of Commission and will now set a date for a hearing and give directions.

2.Oldco and Rangers FC, who are named in the Issues contained in the Notice of Commission and alleged to have been in breach of SPL rules, will continue to have the right to appear and be represented at all hearings of the Commission and to make such submissions as they think fit.

3.Newco, as the current owner and operator of Rangers FC, although not alleged by the SPL to have committed any breach of SPL Rules, will also have the right to appear and be represented at all hearings of the Commission and to make such submissions as it thinks fit.

4.Written reasons for this decision will be made available in due course.

Further to the decision made today the Commission make the following procedural orders:

1.We set a date for a hearing to commence on Tuesday 13 November 2012 with continuations from day to day as may be required until Friday 16 November 2012. We will also allocate Tuesday 20 and Wednesday 21 November 2012 as additional dates should any further continuation be required.

2.We direct that the solicitors for The Scottish Premier League Limited lodge any documents, additional to those already lodged, together with an outline argument and a list of witnesses by 4 pm on Friday 19 October 2012.

3.We direct that Oldco, Newco or any other person claiming an interest and wishing to appear and be represented at the hearing give intimation to that effect and lodge any documents together with an outline argument and a list of witnesses, all by 4 pm on Thursday 1 November 2012.

4.We direct that intimation of the aforesaid decision and of these directions be made to the solicitors for Oldco and Newco.

Jungle Bhoy.

Imagine that JB - Even the legal profession refer to Newco as the current owner and OPERATOR of Rangers FC. In other words they are taking the view that Rangers FC is the football team that is operated nad owned by a new company and NOT a new football team...... {Ed007's Note - Read the second and third points again, do it slowly this time and it might sink in. Here is a hint for you, what are the allegations against the Newco? The answer is in point 3.}

Ed - apart from being sarcastic it's YOU who needs to read things slowly. My point is that Newco nows owns and OPERATES the original Rangers Football Club, just as Oldco previously oned and operated Rangers Football Club. The point you make about no allegations against Newco (i.e new OWNERS and OPERATORS) merely endorses the fact that the investigation is against the Oldco's operation of the football club which, if found to be in breach of the rules, could result in SPL sanctions being levvied against the oldco and ultimately the football club itself. Furthermore the fact that the Newco is NOT alleged to have breached the SPL rules would appear to give credence to Charles Green's argument that the newco may be held accountable for the sins of the oldco - or do yolu want me to draw you a diagram? {Ed007's Note - Draw me a diagram if you want, start it from where CG has any connection to the oldco. Oldco are the old club, newco are the new club. It's not that difficult, come on. The Rangers are NOT responsible for the EBT scandal, they are a BRAND NEW club, it is Rangers that are the accused. Has that sunk in? How can a brand new club be responsible for the sins of a soon to be liquidated club? The team you are boring me about have no titles to strip, CG's club is not the same club. CG's club has never been under the jurisdiction of the SPL, his BRAND NEW club entered Scottish football at the 4th tier. If you are still struggling I will see if there is a pop-up version that might explain it. You do know the team you used to support is to be liquidated don't you? People have been talking about it for a few years now, it wasn't all a big, bad 'Timmy conspiracy' after all. Let me know about the pop-up book if you need it.}

Good one about giving me a pop-up book Ed - l like the funny banter, although surely you must realise that 99% of the 'boring' part you refer to is probably posted by obsesses CFC fans on this site. Let's just wait and see what (if any) sanctions flow from the SPL commission and which party carries the can. If it's Oldco and Rangers are deemed to be a team consigned to history, then the SFA, SPL, EUFA etc will surely publish that Rangers are no more when publishing such sanctions. On the other hand, if any such sanctions are levvied against Rangers Football Club under the ownership and operation of Newco then we will all have our answer on whether we are the same football club, or not, won't we?

PS - I see EUFA still managed to allocate monies to Rangers for making players available for EURO 2012 qualifiers etc. EUFA didn't state that these monies were attributable to a so-called now defunct team now did they?

Hope your ankle is healing by the way :) {Ed007's Note - Under UEFA rules any money due clubs (including CL/EL earnings) is transferred in Euros to the appropriate FA's bank account before being distributed to the clubs. Just because Rangers are on the list doesn't mean they have received any monies. That is only UEFA's list of distribution above.
UEFA paid the money in accordance with their rules regarding players registration. If a player leaves a club after an international tournament it is obviously the club he was registered to before the tournament that are entitled to the money, The Rangers never had any players either at the finals or playing in qualifiers, they didn't exist during that time. Ask the SFA or D&P where the UEFA went, they are still in charge of Rangers(IL).
Once BDO start liquidating the old club, after the legal cases are sorted, there will be no need to go round and round in circles over this.
And FYI it is boring me, I have explained why a hundred times. Until the EBT findings, the liquidation process etc is started I don't have much interest in Rangers, they aren't even playing matches to watch. I have even less interest in The Rangers, a club that has only been around for a few months and plays in the Scottish fourth division, why should I? Accies are my 'wee' team in Scotland, who is your 'big' team?}

Don't stress yourself out Ed cause they will never accept it, for they say they are the same old rangers with titles but then they can't take it since not in spl and with no debt....you just can't win (like them really) they are living in two worlds where common sense seems to not exist and that everybody that lives in the world that is not a rankers fans is having a go at them and want them out, yet in the other world they say they are liked all around and things are great cause of so many titles. Seems like they are battling within themselves, what has thier legends done to them? They need some serious help and I don't think you and I explaining it will help, they need proffesionals so can you post a link for them lol.

Fair play to you Ed, you've had to explain to an element of the Shame fans time and time again how things are with their Ex Club. Some of them just don't get it, as with this daftie. I for one, am looking forward to the next couple of months when the extremely dirty washing will be hung out on the Govan line for all to see. Charles Green is a seasoned businessman who understands fully how business works. If you can sell and idea to the masses, no matter how absurd the idea seems, you WILL make money! He isn't a "Rangers man" far from it. In fact, he couldn't care less about anything except his investment. We have watched one of the biggest magic acts in recent times. This is a guy who manoeuvred a once massive club, into liquidation so he could snap up £50 million (estimated) worth of assets for peanuts, and write off a debt of what would probably have been over £100 million! That kind of trick makes Dynamo look like a nugget! Oh and by the way, before the angry bears start with the "we are still a massive club" BS, look where you are!

BigRab

To the above post. I dont think Ed is stressing out. I think he is lapping it up. Ed007 will never be shaken or stirred by ignorant hordes from the dark side. They are in fact cannon o'fodder!

Bankie Bhoy

Item 3: "Newco as the current owner and operator of Rangers FC" is a perfectly valid statement that is correct.
It in no way alleges that the current Rangers FC is the same historical Rangers founded in 1872. In fact by stating that this NewCo Rangers has no case to answer, the tribunal is confirming it is a different club and not in ownership of the 54 titles.

If the Item 3 referred to above "in no way alleges that the current Rangers FC is the same as historical Rangers..", then why include Item 3 in the first instance in the commission's statement? If, as you ALL think newco and Charles Green's team has nothing to do with the historical Rangers there would be no reason or justification for the commission to comment in the first place?

If financial penalties are given as a punishment for fielding illegable players and cheating teams out of prize money etc. You better hope your not "current owners and operators" of Rangers as these penalties would be due to be payed by the football club not by any holding company or operator. that could land you with a whole new £120million debt.

Stripping titles and paying back 12 years prizemonies isn't punishment. It's handing back what was stolen.
Punishments including fines and points deductions and other sanctions would thereafter be appropriate.

12 Sep 2012 12:35:35
How can Our fantastic Scotland manager
say Chris Kommons has 7 or 8 playerss ahead of him when selecting the Scotlad team.
The guy should never be a manager.

Maybe's when you set out a 4-6-0 in your first game you shouldn't get a second

Green Judge